My compliments to this lovely lass, hopefully this move won't destroy 
her career.


One of Britain’s top fashion models, who has graced the cover of 
numerous magazines and was winner of Britain’s Next Top Model 
competition, the beautiful Lauren McAvoy, has publicly declared her 
support for the BNP.

Lauren took the brave step this afternoon when she was passing a 
roadside stand supporting Len Heather, BNP candidate in the Noak Bridge 
ward by-election being held in Basildon, Essex.
Lauren stopped her car, and, along with her mum, jumped out and asked if 
they could have their picture taken with Len. “We are great fans of the 
BNP,” Lauren said.

The picture was duly taken, and Lauren asked the BNP team to please let 
the public know who she was when the picture was put up on the BNP website.

Lauren, who has a diploma in civil engineering, won Cycle 3 of Britain’s 
Next Top Model in 2007. Her prize was a contract with Ruby & Millie 
Cosmetics, a modeling contract with Models 1, and a six-page fashion 
editorial and cover for Company magazine.


http://bnp-chronicle.blogspot.com/2008/09/britains-top-model-lauren-mcavoy.html

On Sep 19, 4:07 pm, Jesse  wrote:
> My compliments to this lovely lass, hopefully this move won't destroy
> her career.
>
> One of Britain’s top fashion models, who has graced the cover of
> numerous magazines and was winner of Britain’s Next Top Model
> competition, the beautiful Lauren McAvoy, has publicly declared her
> support for the BNP.
>
> Lauren took the brave step this afternoon when she was passing a
> roadside stand supporting Len Heather, BNP candidate in the Noak Bridge
> ward by-election being held in Basildon, Essex.
> Lauren stopped her car, and, along with her mum, jumped out and asked if
> they could have their picture taken with Len. “We are great fans of the
> BNP,” Lauren said.
>
> The picture was duly taken, and Lauren asked the BNP team to please let
> the public know who she was when the picture was put up on the BNP website.
>
> Lauren, who has a diploma in civil engineering, won Cycle 3 of Britain’s
> Next Top Model in 2007. Her prize was a contract with Ruby & Millie
> Cosmetics, a modeling contract with Models 1, and a six-page fashion
> editorial and cover for Company magazine.
>
> http://bnp-chronicle.blogspot.com/2008/09/britains-top-model-lauren-m...

Maybe she is hot for the men in it!:

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/05Xx6138q32Xl/610x.jpg

"Jesse"  wrote ...

> My compliments to this lovely lass, hopefully this move won't destroy
> her career.
>
>
> One of Britain’s top fashion models, who has graced the cover of
> numerous magazines and was winner of Britain’s Next Top Model
> competition, the beautiful Lauren McAvoy, has publicly declared her
> support for the BNP.

Born in Essex. Nuff said.

On 19 Sep, 23:07, Jesse  wrote:
> My compliments to this lovely lass, hopefully this move won't destroy
> her career.
>
> One of Britain’s top fashion models, who has graced the cover of
> numerous magazines and was winner of Britain’s Next Top Model
> competition, the beautiful Lauren McAvoy, has publicly declared her
> support for the BNP.
>
> Lauren took the brave step this afternoon when she was passing a
> roadside stand supporting Len Heather, BNP candidate in the Noak Bridge
> ward by-election being held in Basildon, Essex.
> Lauren stopped her car, and, along with her mum, jumped out and asked if
> they could have their picture taken with Len. “We are great fans of the
> BNP,” Lauren said.
>
> The picture was duly taken, and Lauren asked the BNP team to please let
> the public know who she was when the picture was put up on the BNP website.
>
> Lauren, who has a diploma in civil engineering, won Cycle 3 of Britain’s
> Next Top Model in 2007. Her prize was a contract with Ruby & Millie
> Cosmetics, a modeling contract with Models 1, and a six-page fashion
> editorial and cover for Company magazine.
>
> http://bnp-chronicle.blogspot.com/2008/09/britains-top-model-lauren-m...

If you are going to support a political party it might as well be the
BNP. Probably the best of
a bad bunch. In all honesty, ethno nationalism is not the best way
forward. If the BNP were a
genuine civic nationalist party they would have huge support.
Constructive criticism of the
BNP is good, put most of the "so called" anti fascists are merely
fakes, they are the studenty type
bandwagon jumpers or trendys. They make you want to puke with there
Pavlovian puppy type responces
of "Racist" "Nazi" "Fascist" etc. Most of them are just brainwashed
kids who don't know the first thing about real fascism,
If they did they would be demonstrating outside the Labour party
conference. You just know that this same type would never
be chanting "rascist" at Asians, if they were to form an Asian-only
political party.

Far as i'm concerned ethno nationalism is not a bad thing. If, say,
the ANC would not allow whites into thier party. or, the Tibetan
peoples party did not let
in ethnic Chinese I don't think many would hold it against them. But
for the BNP doing this it just is not going to get them any real
political power.

Jonah

On Sep 20, 7:16 am, jonah  wrote:
> On 19 Sep, 23:07, Jesse  wrote:
>
>
>
> > My compliments to this lovely lass, hopefully this move won't destroy
> > her career.
>
> > One of Britain’s top fashion models, who has graced the cover of
> > numerous magazines and was winner of Britain’s Next Top Model
> > competition, the beautiful Lauren McAvoy, has publicly declared her
> > support for the BNP.
>
> > Lauren took the brave step this afternoon when she was passing a
> > roadside stand supporting Len Heather, BNP candidate in the Noak Bridge
> > ward by-election being held in Basildon, Essex.
> > Lauren stopped her car, and, along with her mum, jumped out and asked if
> > they could have their picture taken with Len. “We are great fans of the
> > BNP,” Lauren said.
>
> > The picture was duly taken, and Lauren asked the BNP team to please let
> > the public know who she was when the picture was put up on the BNP website.
>
> > Lauren, who has a diploma in civil engineering, won Cycle 3 of Britain’s
> > Next Top Model in 2007. Her prize was a contract with Ruby & Millie
> > Cosmetics, a modeling contract with Models 1, and a six-page fashion
> > editorial and cover for Company magazine.
>
> >http://bnp-chronicle.blogspot.com/2008/09/britains-top-model-lauren-m...
>
> If you are going to support a political party it might as well be the
> BNP. Probably the best of
> a bad bunch. In all honesty, ethno nationalism is not the best way
> forward. If the BNP were a
> genuine civic nationalist party they would have huge support.
> Constructive criticism of the
> BNP is good, put most of the "so called" anti fascists are merely
> fakes, they are the studenty type
> bandwagon jumpers or trendys. They make you want to puke with there
> Pavlovian puppy type responces
> of "Racist" "Nazi" "Fascist" etc. Most of them are just brainwashed
> kids who don't know the first thing about real fascism,
> If they did they would be demonstrating outside the Labour party
> conference. You just know that this same type would never
> be chanting "rascist" at Asians, if they were to form an Asian-only
> political party.

I thought they were brit soccer fans!


>
> Far as i'm concerned ethno nationalism is not a bad thing. If, say,
> the ANC would not allow whites into thier party. or, the Tibetan
> peoples party did not let
> in ethnic Chinese I don't think many would hold it against them. But
> for the BNP doing this it just is not going to get them any real
> political power.
>
> Jonah

"jonah"  wrote ...

If you are going to support a political party it might as well be the
BNP. Probably the best of
a bad bunch. In all honesty, ethno nationalism is not the best way
forward. If the BNP were a
genuine civic nationalist party they would have huge support.
Constructive criticism of the
BNP is good, put most of the "so called" anti fascists are merely
fakes, they are the studenty type
bandwagon jumpers or trendys.

=====

Really ? Can you prove that, or are you simply saying it and hoping we'll
believe you ? Not that there's anything wrong with jumping on a bandwagon
when it's the right bandwagon to jump on.

=====

They make you want to puke with there
Pavlovian puppy type responces
of "Racist" "Nazi" "Fascist" etc. Most of them are just brainwashed
kids who don't know the first thing about real fascism,
If they did they would be demonstrating outside the Labour party
conference.

=====

And presumably the BNP aren't outside the Labour Conference protesting
because they don't have a problem with real fascism ?

Truth is that the BNP is a racist party. It only rejects ethno nationalism
to make itself more electorally appealing and to try and disguise its
racism. In its heart it is racist and believes in ethno nationalism. That's
why so many of its members have been convicted of racist attacks, assaults,
bombings and plotting terrorism to kill non-whites and non-Christians while
the less active stick with the tired but trusted, "if it's black, send it
back".

As you say yourself, " If the BNP were a genuine civic nationalist party
they would have huge support" - So why don't they become that, get
themselves elected and do what they believe must be done ? The answer is
because that's not what they are and never will be. Its own members and
leadership would not tolerate such a thing as it's entirely at odds with the
ethno nationalism it supports.

The BNP is a wolf in sheep clothing for political expediency and while some
of the assaults and criticism of it may be Pavlovic they are spot on the
money and cannot be faulted for that. Its current leader and previous leader
and founder have been convicted of inciting racial hatred. No other
political party in the UK can make the same proud claim, and they both wear
that as a badge of honour while BNP members cheer them for it.

"Mein Kampf is my bible" -- John Tyndall, BNP founder and former leader.

"I too believe that the BNP must say and do what is necessary to win, and
that where that might involve tactical compromises that are intelligently
designed to have some tangible political effect I am prepared to endorse
them" -- Tyndall in Spearhead. Setting the platform for the BNP's future
deception as to what they really are.

On 20 Sep, 15:33, "The Happy Hippy"
 wrote:
> "jonah"  wrote ...
>
> If you are going to support a political party it might as well be the
> BNP. Probably the best of
> a bad bunch. In all honesty, ethno nationalism is not the best way
> forward. If the BNP were a
> genuine civic nationalist party they would have huge support.
> Constructive criticism of the
> BNP is good, put most of the "so called" anti fascists are merely
> fakes, they are the studenty type
> bandwagon jumpers or trendys.
>
> =====
>
> Really ? Can you prove that, or are you simply saying it and hoping we'll
> believe you ? Not that there's anything wrong with jumping on a bandwagon
> when it's the right bandwagon to jump on.

Whats all this proof nonsence? Just opinions no one provides any
proof. But you already know that.
> =====
>
> They make you want to puke with there
> Pavlovian puppy type responces
> of "Racist" "Nazi" "Fascist" etc. Most of them are just brainwashed
> kids who don't know the first thing about real fascism,
> If they did they would be demonstrating outside the Labour party
> conference.
>
> =====
>
> And presumably the BNP aren't outside the Labour Conference protesting
> because they don't have a problem with real fascism ?

Protesting don't get you anywhere, the press would always have a field
day with the childish
Nazi jibes playing to the sheeple public.
>
> Truth is that the BNP is a racist party.

Whats this truth? your truth maybe. But not truth to others.

It only rejects ethno nationalism
> to make itself more electorally appealing and to try and disguise its
> racism. In its heart it is racist and believes in ethno nationalism.

Bullshit. The supporters are the party. it's the supporters who
influence the policy. So if what you say is true
the party would have racist policies, seeing that they don't conludes
that the party is not racist.

That's
> why so many of its members have been convicted of racist attacks, assaults,
> bombings and plotting terrorism to kill non-whites and non-Christians while
> the less active stick with the tired but trusted, "if it's black, send it
> back".

There is bad apples in all parties, been through all this before and
you still spit out the same tired old
shite. BTW, I recall that copeland has converted to Islam. Maybe he
has found his true calling.
>
> As you say yourself, " If the BNP were a genuine civic nationalist party
> they would have huge support" - So why don't they become that, get
> themselves elected and do what they believe must be done ? The answer is
> because that's not what they are and never will be. Its own members and
> leadership would not tolerate such a thing as it's entirely at odds with the
> ethno nationalism it supports.

They probably will do, Hope they do, but if they don't it still don't
make them bad.
>
> The BNP is a wolf in sheep clothing for political expediency and while some
> of the assaults and criticism of it may be Pavlovic they are spot on the
> money and cannot be faulted for that.

More like way out in wonderland

Its current leader and previous leader
> and founder have been convicted of inciting racial hatred. No other
> political party in the UK can make the same proud claim, and they both wear
> that as a badge of honour while BNP members cheer them for it.

Griffin was convicted for making remarks about Jews, right? anti-
semitism.
I recall that many have found themselves in hot water over this. He
has since learned
the error of his ways. Mind you I don't really like the twat anyway.

>
> "Mein Kampf is my bible" -- John Tyndall, BNP founder and former leader.
>
> "I too believe that the BNP must say and do what is necessary to win, and
> that where that might involve tactical compromises that are intelligently
> designed to have some tangible political effect I am prepared to endorse
> them" -- Tyndall in Spearhead. Setting the platform for the BNP's future
> deception as to what they really are.
No different to any other party in that respect. All politics is
currupt

I will put this to you that anyone who attacks the BNP for being an
ethno nationalist
are anti-white racists. The BNP are an ethnic white political party
and they have every right to take
this position. Personally I think it is they wrong way to go. But not
becuase I think that they should cover
up racism and kid the public. But because there are many loyal and
patriotic ethnics who are probably more so
than many whites. The Gurkha soldiers for one. I do not support The
BNP any more as I don't trust in any political solutions.
and because the party would have to be civic for nationalism to take
off. But the BNP and it's supporters make there own choices.

In my previous post I said that there would not be as much as murmour
from the "so called" anti facsists
if Asians were to form an Asian-only political party. True or false?

So would you condemn the ANC if they did not allow whites there party?
Or would you condemn the Tibetan peoples party if they did not let
in ethnic Chinese?

I think most of you anti-racists are infact the biggest hypocrites and
racist to boot. Whatever the
faults of the leaders the everyday BNP supporter  have much more
honour then you people.

"jonah"  wrote ...

[snips]

> > Most of them are just brainwashed
> > kids who don't know the first thing about real fascism,
> > If they did they would be demonstrating outside the Labour party
> > conference.
> >
> > =====
> >
> > And presumably the BNP aren't outside the Labour Conference protesting
> > because they don't have a problem with real fascism ?
>
> Protesting don't get you anywhere

There's your answer then as to why these you call "fakes "aren't ptotesting.


> There is bad apples in all parties,

I cannot think of any other which has a leader convicted of inciting racial
hatred at its helm, who replaced a leader who had the same conviction.


> been through all this before and
> you still spit out the same tired old
> shite.

Shite ? It's a matter of public record. Griffin was convicted of inciting
racial hatred. Tyndall was convicted of inciting racial hatred.


> BTW, I recall that copeland has converted to Islam. Maybe he
> has found his true calling.

Sure you're not thinking of David Myatt ? Perhaps they both have. Just
doubly proves what a dangerous bunch there are who hang around the BNP and
its ideology.



> Griffin was convicted for making remarks about Jews, right? anti-
> semitism.

Convicted or inciting racial hatred.


> I will put this to you that anyone who attacks the BNP for being an
> ethno nationalist are anti-white racists.

That's simply nonsensensical. I don't attack the BNP because of their race
( largely the same as mine ) but because they're a bunch of racist dickhead
facists.


> In my previous post I said that there would not be as much as murmour
> from the "so called" anti facsists
> if Asians were to form an Asian-only political party. True or false?

False.


> So would you condemn the ANC if they did not allow whites there party?
> Or would you condemn the Tibetan peoples party if they did not let
> in ethnic Chinese?

I'd condemn any group which excludes others on grounds of race, colour,
creed, etc, etc..

The Happy Hippy wrote:
> "jonah"  wrote ...
> 
> If you are going to support a political party it might as well be the
> BNP. Probably the best of
> a bad bunch. In all honesty, ethno nationalism is not the best way
> forward. If the BNP were a
> genuine civic nationalist party they would have huge support.
> Constructive criticism of the
> BNP is good, put most of the "so called" anti fascists are merely
> fakes, they are the studenty type
> bandwagon jumpers or trendys.
> 
> =====
> 
> Really ? Can you prove that, or are you simply saying it and hoping we'll
> believe you ? Not that there's anything wrong with jumping on a bandwagon
> when it's the right bandwagon to jump on.
> 
> =====
> 
> They make you want to puke with there
> Pavlovian puppy type responces
> of "Racist" "Nazi" "Fascist" etc. Most of them are just brainwashed
> kids who don't know the first thing about real fascism,
> If they did they would be demonstrating outside the Labour party
> conference.
> 
> =====
> 
> And presumably the BNP aren't outside the Labour Conference protesting
> because they don't have a problem with real fascism ?
> 
> Truth is that the BNP is a racist party. It only rejects ethno nationalism
> to make itself more electorally appealing and to try and disguise its
> racism. In its heart it is racist and believes in ethno nationalism.

Sounds to me like you have just described Obama and his followers - And 
for his part, he tries to make himself more electorally appealing by 
disavowing a rabidly anti American anti white church that he was part of 
for 2 decades, a church where he was married at, the pastor of which he 
describes as a long time mentor, inspiration and role model.
He only turned his back on this within the last few months.

"ethno nationalism" sure is not a current term here, I don't like the 
sounds of it, and I sure as hell would expect any patriot movement to 
reject such PC claptrap out of hand.


> 
> "I too believe that the BNP must say and do what is necessary to win, and
> that where that might involve tactical compromises that are intelligently
> designed to have some tangible political effect I am prepared to endorse
> them" -- Tyndall in Spearhead. Setting the platform for the BNP's future
> deception as to what they really are.

Hippy, news flash, all politicians say and do what is necessary to win - 
And nowhere is that long standing truth more evident than during 
election cycles.
To expect otherwise is not very realistic.

On 20 Sep, 22:18, "The Happy Hippy"
 wrote:
> "jonah"  wrote ...
>
> [snips]
>
> > > Most of them are just brainwashed
> > > kids who don't know the first thing about real fascism,
> > > If they did they would be demonstrating outside the Labour party
> > > conference.
>
> > > =====
>
> > > And presumably the BNP aren't outside the Labour Conference protesting
> > > because they don't have a problem with real fascism ?
>
> > Protesting don't get you anywhere
>
> There's your answer then as to why these you call "fakes "aren't ptotesting.

But they do protest, only against the BNP.
>
> > There is bad apples in all parties,
>
> I cannot think of any other which has a leader convicted of inciting racial
> hatred at its helm, who replaced a leader who had the same conviction.

> > been through all this before and
> > you still spit out the same tired old
> > shite.
>
> Shite ? It's a matter of public record. Griffin was convicted of inciting
> racial hatred. Tyndall was convicted of inciting racial hatred.

So what if he and others have these convictions it does not make the
entire party
racist. For staters, over time people can change thier views on things
and move on.

It would like me attacking individual labour supporters because many
of thier MP's have convictions for sex offences.
Or because Blair attacked Iraq, murdereing 1000's of inocent people.

Just imagine how stupid it would be If I was to daub paint on a labour
supporters property " Labour Pervert"
or "war criminal" But this is the exact mentality of the anti
racists.


> > BTW, I recall that copeland has converted to Islam. Maybe he
> > has found his true calling.
>
> Sure you're not thinking of David Myatt ? Perhaps they both have. Just
> doubly proves what a dangerous bunch there are who hang around the BNP and
> its ideology.
>
> > Griffin was convicted for making remarks about Jews, right? anti-
> > semitism.
>
> Convicted or inciting racial hatred.
>
> > I will put this to you that anyone who attacks the BNP for being an
> > ethno nationalist are anti-white racists.
>
> That's simply nonsensensical. I don't attack the BNP because of their race
> ( largely the same as mine ) but because they're a bunch of racist dickhead
> facists.
And I attack those opposed to the BNP ideolgy because they are a bunch
of anti-white
racist and fascist dickheads.
> > In my previous post I said that there would not be as much as murmour
> > from the "so called" anti facsists
> > if Asians were to form an Asian-only political party. True or false?
>
> False.
>
> > So would you condemn the ANC if they did not allow whites there party?
> > Or would you condemn the Tibetan peoples party if they did not let
> > in ethnic Chinese?
>
> I'd condemn any group which excludes others on grounds of race, colour,
> creed, etc, etc..

What like the Black police association and the countless other ethnic
groups which
excludes whites? Not that I think there is anything wrong with people
looking after thier
own ethnic group. But if it's good enough for one group it's good
enough for another.
I'm certainly not going to go around shouting racist at them

"jonah"  wrote ...

> On 20 Sep, 22:18, "The Happy Hippy"
>  wrote:
> > "jonah"  wrote ...
> >
> > [snips]
> >
> > > > Most of them are just brainwashed
> > > > kids who don't know the first thing about real fascism,
> > > > If they did they would be demonstrating outside the Labour party
> > > > conference.
> >
> > > > =====
> >
> > > > And presumably the BNP aren't outside the Labour Conference
protesting
> > > > because they don't have a problem with real fascism ?
> >
> > > Protesting don't get you anywhere
> >
> > There's your answer then as to why these you call "fakes "aren't
ptotesting.
>
> But they do protest, only against the BNP.
> >
> > > There is bad apples in all parties,
> >
> > I cannot think of any other which has a leader convicted of inciting
racial
> > hatred at its helm, who replaced a leader who had the same conviction.
>
> > > been through all this before and
> > > you still spit out the same tired old
> > > shite.
> >
> > Shite ? It's a matter of public record. Griffin was convicted of
inciting
> > racial hatred. Tyndall was convicted of inciting racial hatred.
>
> So what if he and others have these convictions it does not make the
> entire party
> racist. For staters, over time people can change thier views on things
> and move on.

Except neither have.


> It would like me attacking individual labour supporters because many
> of thier MP's have convictions for sex offences.
> Or because Blair attacked Iraq, murdereing 1000's of inocent people.
>
> Just imagine how stupid it would be If I was to daub paint on a labour
> supporters property " Labour Pervert"
> or "war criminal" But this is the exact mentality of the anti
> racists.

I think you'd have some legitimacy in that.

If someone stood up and said they are not a paedophile themself but
supported paedophiles and everything they do would you be happy with that,
or you would you say there was something wrong with them which needed
highlighting to others ?

If we use your line of reasoning, those who support al-Qaeda shouldn't have
"terrorist" daubed on their doors. That would be "stupid" as you put it. So
presumably you don't have a problem with people who support al-Qaeda. Good
for you, it's a very enlightened viewpoint.



> > > BTW, I recall that copeland has converted to Islam. Maybe he
> > > has found his true calling.
> >
> > Sure you're not thinking of David Myatt ? Perhaps they both have. Just
> > doubly proves what a dangerous bunch there are who hang around the BNP
and
> > its ideology.
> >
> > > Griffin was convicted for making remarks about Jews, right? anti-
> > > semitism.
> >
> > Convicted or inciting racial hatred.
> >
> > > I will put this to you that anyone who attacks the BNP for being an
> > > ethno nationalist are anti-white racists.
> >
> > That's simply nonsensensical. I don't attack the BNP because of their
race
> > ( largely the same as mine ) but because they're a bunch of racist
dickhead
> > facists.
> And I attack those opposed to the BNP ideolgy because they are a bunch
> of anti-white
> racist and fascist dickheads.
> > > In my previous post I said that there would not be as much as murmour
> > > from the "so called" anti facsists
> > > if Asians were to form an Asian-only political party. True or false?
> >
> > False.
> >
> > > So would you condemn the ANC if they did not allow whites there party?
> > > Or would you condemn the Tibetan peoples party if they did not let
> > > in ethnic Chinese?
> >
> > I'd condemn any group which excludes others on grounds of race, colour,
> > creed, etc, etc..
>
> What like the Black police association and the countless other ethnic
> groups which excludes whites?

I can understand what they do and why but I disagree with such policies. I
believe that if such groups are to exist then membership of these group
should be open to all who support those of that group and its goals
regardless of whether they are of that group or not.

Sadly our society and government perpetuates the myth that this state of
affairs is entirely acceptable and this is one of the causes that we are
still stuck with so much racism, bigotry and prejudice which underlies the
bigger problems of race and other divisions in society. Quite frankly IMO,
the UK won't give up its right to be prejudiced, bigoted and racist.

Such groups simply perpetuate unnecessary and damaging divisions.


> Not that I think there is anything wrong with people
> looking after thier
> own ethnic group. But if it's good enough for one group it's good
> enough for another.

The old, I'll support racism so I can be racist card. If I let them get away
with racism I can be racist myself approach.


> I'm certainly not going to go around shouting racist at them

Of course you wouldn't because that would get in the way of your belief that
groups should be allowed to be racist.

The Happy Hippy wrote:
> "jonah"  wrote ...


>> What like the Black police association and the countless other ethnic
>> groups which excludes whites?
> 
> I can understand what they do and why but I disagree with such policies. I
> believe that if such groups are to exist then membership of these group
> should be open to all who support those of that group and its goals
> regardless of whether they are of that group or not.

Their website says:

http://www.nbpa.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=17&Itemid=31
"
The definition of "Black" does not refer to skin colour.
The emphasis is on the common experience and determination of the people 
of African, African-Caribbean and Asian origin to oppose the effects of 
racism. Everyone within policing is eligible to join the NBPA (There is 
no barrier to membership)
"

Though presumably that doesn't necessarily mean someone would be 
welcome, just eligible....




> Sadly our society and government perpetuates the myth that this state of
> affairs is entirely acceptable and this is one of the causes that we are
> still stuck with so much racism, bigotry and prejudice which underlies the
> bigger problems of race and other divisions in society. Quite frankly IMO,
> the UK won't give up its right to be prejudiced, bigoted and racist.
> 
> Such groups simply perpetuate unnecessary and damaging divisions.

-- 
Arthur Figgis               Surrey, UK

"jonah"  wrote in message 
news:450b8746-9a19-4710-af84-9595391b7e2d@25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
On 19 Sep, 23:07, Jesse  wrote:
<snip>

>> Lauren took the brave step this afternoon when she was passing a
>> roadside stand supporting Len Heather, BNP candidate in the Noak Bridge
>> ward by-election being held in Basildon, Essex.
>> Lauren stopped her car, and, along with her mum, jumped out and asked if
>> they could have their picture taken with Len. “We are great fans of the
>> BNP,” Lauren said.
<snip>

Jonah wrote:
>Far as i'm concerned ethno nationalism is not a bad thing. If, say,
>the ANC would not allow whites into thier party. or, the Tibetan
>peoples party did not let
>in ethnic Chinese I don't think many would hold it against them. But
>for the BNP doing this it just is not going to get them any real
>political power.

For an ethno-nationalist political party, which AFAIK does allow others to 
join, look no further than the SNP !

What always puzzles me is why the SNP is supposed so OK and "politically 
acceptable" while the BNP (which allows Scots to join it) is "unacceptable.

After all, the SNP campaigns for a "Scottish" nation state: a government of 
Scots by Scots for Scots.  Nothing wrong with this, other than where are all 
the non-Scots supposed to fit in?  The English and other ethnic minorities 
in Scotland are clearly not Scots - though together with the Scots we are 
all UK/British citizens.

Why it is ok for the SNP to have such a campaign, and not ok for the BNP to 
have an equivalent one?

After all, being "English" in Scotland, thanks to the incitement of Scottish 
nationalism, is now considered being fair game for racist/nationalist 
attacks - usually just verbal, but on occasion phyically violent.   In 
recent years the number of complaints to the police in Scotland has 
multiplied several times over.

This is rarely reported in the news, whereas just about every single 
incident involving "non-English" or "non-British" attacks in England gets 
national coverage.

"Richard" <(none)> wrote ...

> For an ethno-nationalist political party, which AFAIK does allow others to
> join, look no further than the SNP !

In official parlance the SNP talk of the "people of Scotland" rather than
the colloquial "Scots" with its implied hereditory status. Nothing on the
SNP website suggests membership isn't open to anyone. Click the link, give
them your credit card and personal details and it seems you're an instant
member.

http://www.snp.org/join

I'm sure the SNP's own Constitution covers it in detail ( and I'm sure there
are exclusions detailed as with most political parties ) but a brief search
didn't turn that up on-line.

The BNP explicitly state their membership is only open to "those of British
or kindred European ethnic descent".

https://payments.bnp.org.uk/acatalog/memberships.html

"Richard" <(none)> wrote in message news:48d63859$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...
>
> "jonah"  wrote in message 
> news:450b8746-9a19-4710-af84-9595391b7e2d@25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
> On 19 Sep, 23:07, Jesse  wrote:
> <snip>
>
>>> Lauren took the brave step this afternoon when she was passing a
>>> roadside stand supporting Len Heather, BNP candidate in the Noak Bridge
>>> ward by-election being held in Basildon, Essex.
>>> Lauren stopped her car, and, along with her mum, jumped out and asked if
>>> they could have their picture taken with Len. “We are great fans of the
>>> BNP,” Lauren said.
> <snip>
>
> Jonah wrote:
>>Far as i'm concerned ethno nationalism is not a bad thing. If, say,
>>the ANC would not allow whites into thier party. or, the Tibetan
>>peoples party did not let
>>in ethnic Chinese I don't think many would hold it against them. But
>>for the BNP doing this it just is not going to get them any real
>>political power.
>
> For an ethno-nationalist political party, which AFAIK does allow others to 
> join, look no further than the SNP !
>
> What always puzzles me is why the SNP is supposed so OK and "politically 
> acceptable" while the BNP (which allows Scots to join it) is 
> "unacceptable.
>
> After all, the SNP campaigns for a "Scottish" nation state: a government 
> of Scots by Scots for Scots.  Nothing wrong with this, other than where 
> are all the non-Scots supposed to fit in?  The English and other ethnic 
> minorities in Scotland are clearly not Scots - though together with the 
> Scots we are all UK/British citizens.

How is it that the English are "clearly not Scots"? How could you tell? Do 
you have to have a Scottish accent to be Scottish? Red hair maybe? Which 
piece of paper is that says you are Scottish? In the absence of this then 
anyone who is British could join.


> Why it is ok for the SNP to have such a campaign, and not ok for the BNP 
> to have an equivalent one?
>
> After all, being "English" in Scotland, thanks to the incitement of 
> Scottish nationalism, is now considered being fair game for 
> racist/nationalist attacks - usually just verbal, but on occasion 
> phyically violent.   In recent years the number of complaints to the 
> police in Scotland has multiplied several times over.
>
> This is rarely reported in the news, whereas just about every single 
> incident involving "non-English" or "non-British" attacks in England gets 
> national coverage.
>
>

On 21 Sep, 10:53, "The Happy Hippy"
 wrote:
> "jonah"  wrote ...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 20 Sep, 22:18, "The Happy Hippy"
> >  wrote:
> > > "jonah"  wrote ...
>
> > > [snips]
>
> > > > > Most of them are just brainwashed
> > > > > kids who don't know the first thing about real fascism,
> > > > > If they did they would be demonstrating outside the Labour party
> > > > > conference.
>
> > > > > =====
>
> > > > > And presumably the BNP aren't outside the Labour Conference
> protesting
> > > > > because they don't have a problem with real fascism ?
>
> > > > Protesting don't get you anywhere
>
> > > There's your answer then as to why these you call "fakes "aren't
> ptotesting.
>
> > But they do protest, only against the BNP.
>
> > > > There is bad apples in all parties,
>
> > > I cannot think of any other which has a leader convicted of inciting
> racial
> > > hatred at its helm, who replaced a leader who had the same conviction.
>
> > > > been through all this before and
> > > > you still spit out the same tired old
> > > > shite.
>
> > > Shite ? It's a matter of public record. Griffin was convicted of
> inciting
> > > racial hatred. Tyndall was convicted of inciting racial hatred.
>
> > So what if he and others have these convictions it does not make the
> > entire party
> > racist. For staters, over time people can change thier views on things
> > and move on.
>
> Except neither have.
>
> > It would like me attacking individual labour supporters because many
> > of thier MP's have convictions for sex offences.
> > Or because Blair attacked Iraq, murdereing 1000's of inocent people.
>
> > Just imagine how stupid it would be If I was to daub paint on a labour
> > supporters property " Labour Pervert"
> > or "war criminal" But this is the exact mentality of the anti
> > racists.
>
> I think you'd have some legitimacy in that.
>
> If someone stood up and said they are not a paedophile themself but
> supported paedophiles and everything they do would you be happy with that,
> or you would you say there was something wrong with them which needed
> highlighting to others ?
>
> If we use your line of reasoning, those who support al-Qaeda shouldn't have
> "terrorist" daubed on their doors. That would be "stupid" as you put it. So
> presumably you don't have a problem with people who support al-Qaeda. Good
> for you, it's a very enlightened viewpoint.

You do not go down this route because no one has the right to play
judge and jury. If they do
then all hell breaks lose. Say for argument sake You daubed paint on a
Labour supporters door because you believe
that he supported Blair's murder in Iraq. So you caused damage to his
property, legitimate action in
your thought. Right? No wrong for the simple fact is that the door
also belongs to his wife as do his house and car and they
did not vote labour. You say it's collateral damage therefore nothing
to worry about.

So the guy lives alone, Now you have him, right? well wrong again. He
did vote labour and supported the war in Iraq. Don't you think the guy
has the right to
support whatever or whoever he likes as long as he stays within the
Law? So the guy is stupid and fell for the labour war spin. it's still
his right to be stupid. What would you think of instead of
you attacking him he decides to be judge and jury and attack you and
others who disagree with Labours war. Does he have the right also?

Jonah

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > > BTW, I recall that copeland has converted to Islam. Maybe he
> > > > has found his true calling.
>
> > > Sure you're not thinking of David Myatt ? Perhaps they both have. Just
> > > doubly proves what a dangerous bunch there are who hang around the BNP
> and
> > > its ideology.
>
> > > > Griffin was convicted for making remarks about Jews, right? anti-
> > > > semitism.
>
> > > Convicted or inciting racial hatred.
>
> > > > I will put this to you that anyone who attacks the BNP for being an
> > > > ethno nationalist are anti-white racists.
>
> > > That's simply nonsensensical. I don't attack the BNP because of their
> race
> > > ( largely the same as mine ) but because they're a bunch of racist
> dickhead
> > > facists.
> > And I attack those opposed to the BNP ideolgy because they are a bunch
> > of anti-white
> > racist and fascist dickheads.
> > > > In my previous post I said that there would not be as much as murmour
> > > > from the "so called" anti facsists
> > > > if Asians were to form an Asian-only political party. True or false?
>
> > > False.
>
> > > > So would you condemn the ANC if they did not allow whites there party?
> > > > Or would you condemn the Tibetan peoples party if they did not let
> > > > in ethnic Chinese?
>
> > > I'd condemn any group which excludes others on grounds of race, colour,
> > > creed, etc, etc..
>
> > What like the Black police association and the countless other ethnic
> > groups which excludes whites?
>
> I can understand what they do and why but I disagree with such policies. I
> believe that if such groups are to exist then membership of these group
> should be open to all who support those of that group and its goals
> regardless of whether they are of that group or not.
>
> Sadly our society and government perpetuates the myth that this state of
> affairs is entirely acceptable and this is one of the causes that we are
> still stuck with so much racism, bigotry and prejudice which underlies the
> bigger problems of race and other divisions in society. Quite frankly IMO,
> the UK won't give up its right to be prejudiced, bigoted and racist.
>
> Such groups simply perpetuate unnecessary and damaging divisions.
>
> > Not that I think there is anything wrong with people
> > looking after thier
> > own ethnic group. But if it's good enough for one group it's good
> > enough for another.
>
> The old, I'll support racism so I can be racist card. If I let them get away
> with racism I can be racist myself approach.
>
> > I'm certainly not going to go around shouting racist at them
>
> Of course you wouldn't because that would get in the way of your belief that
> groups should be allowed to be racist.

There is no racism involved. I don't think any of these groups are
hating another group they are just recognising that
there individual group is different and has it's own needs.
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"jonah"  wrote ...

[snip]

> > > It would like me attacking individual labour supporters because many
> > > of thier MP's have convictions for sex offences.
> > > Or because Blair attacked Iraq, murdereing 1000's of inocent people.
> >
> > > Just imagine how stupid it would be If I was to daub paint on a labour
> > > supporters property " Labour Pervert"
> > > or "war criminal" But this is the exact mentality of the anti
> > > racists.
> >
> > I think you'd have some legitimacy in that.
> >
> > If someone stood up and said they are not a paedophile themself but
> > supported paedophiles and everything they do would you be happy with
that,
> > or you would you say there was something wrong with them which needed
> > highlighting to others ?
> >
> > If we use your line of reasoning, those who support al-Qaeda shouldn't
have
> > "terrorist" daubed on their doors. That would be "stupid" as you put it.
So
> > presumably you don't have a problem with people who support al-Qaeda.
Good
> > for you, it's a very enlightened viewpoint.
>
> You do not go down this route because no one has the right to play
> judge and jury. If they do
> then all hell breaks lose. Say for argument sake You daubed paint on a
> Labour supporters door because you believe
> that he supported Blair's murder in Iraq. So you caused damage to his
> property, legitimate action in
> your thought. Right? No wrong for the simple fact is that the door
> also belongs to his wife as do his house and car and they
> did not vote labour. You say it's collateral damage therefore nothing
> to worry about.
>
> So the guy lives alone, Now you have him, right? well wrong again. He
> did vote labour and supported the war in Iraq. Don't you think the guy
> has the right to
> support whatever or whoever he likes as long as he stays within the
> Law? So the guy is stupid and fell for the labour war spin. it's still
> his right to be stupid. What would you think of instead of
> you attacking him he decides to be judge and jury and attack you and
> others who disagree with Labours war. Does he have the right also?
>
> Jonah

You confuse the philosophical issue with the practical issue. You've changed
your original "it would be stupid to do that" to "it would be illegal and/or
unfair to do that".

You're right, actually doing it would be illegal and entirely wrong. Just as
it's illegal and wrong when BNP members set about, not daubing critical
slogans on doors, but bombing Jews and and others and physically attacking
people.

On 22 Sep, 11:14, "The Happy Hippy"
 wrote:
> "jonah"  wrote ...
>
> [snip]
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > > It would like me attacking individual labour supporters because many
> > > > of thier MP's have convictions for sex offences.
> > > > Or because Blair attacked Iraq, murdereing 1000's of inocent people.
>
> > > > Just imagine how stupid it would be If I was to daub paint on a labour
> > > > supporters property " Labour Pervert"
> > > > or "war criminal" But this is the exact mentality of the anti
> > > > racists.
>
> > > I think you'd have some legitimacy in that.
>
> > > If someone stood up and said they are not a paedophile themself but
> > > supported paedophiles and everything they do would you be happy with
> that,
> > > or you would you say there was something wrong with them which needed
> > > highlighting to others ?
>
> > > If we use your line of reasoning, those who support al-Qaeda shouldn't
> have
> > > "terrorist" daubed on their doors. That would be "stupid" as you put it.
> So
> > > presumably you don't have a problem with people who support al-Qaeda.
> Good
> > > for you, it's a very enlightened viewpoint.
>
> > You do not go down this route because no one has the right to play
> > judge and jury. If they do
> > then all hell breaks lose. Say for argument sake You daubed paint on a
> > Labour supporters door because you believe
> > that he supported Blair's murder in Iraq. So you caused damage to his
> > property, legitimate action in
> > your thought. Right? No wrong for the simple fact is that the door
> > also belongs to his wife as do his house and car and they
> > did not vote labour. You say it's collateral damage therefore nothing
> > to worry about.
>
> > So the guy lives alone, Now you have him, right? well wrong again. He
> > did vote labour and supported the war in Iraq. Don't you think the guy
> > has the right to
> > support whatever or whoever he likes as long as he stays within the
> > Law? So the guy is stupid and fell for the labour war spin. it's still
> > his right to be stupid. What would you think of instead of
> > you attacking him he decides to be judge and jury and attack you and
> > others who disagree with Labours war. Does he have the right also?
>
> > Jonah
>
> You confuse the philosophical issue with the practical issue. You've changed
> your original "it would be stupid to do that" to "it would be illegal and/or
> unfair to do that".

Actualy, it would be stupid, wrong and illegal.
>
> You're right, actually doing it would be illegal and entirely wrong. Just as
> it's illegal and wrong whenBNPmembers set about, not daubing critical
> slogans on doors, but bombing Jews and and others and physically attacking

 Physically attacking a person or his property is totally wrong, I
agree.


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"jonah"  wrote ...

>  Physically attacking a person or his property is totally wrong, I
> agree.

At least we're on common ground there. Although I'm not sure how common that
ground is when it comes to the killing of innocent people in Iraq and
Afghnistan and the destruction of their property by western forces.

On 22 Sep, 13:29, "The Happy Hippy"
 wrote:
> "jonah"  wrote ...
>
> >  Physically attacking a person or his property is totally wrong, I
> > agree.
>
> At least we're on common ground there. Although I'm not sure how common that
> ground is when it comes to the killing of innocent people in Iraq and
> Afghnistan and the destruction of their property by western forces.

The manifestation of evil is local and global. The world has always
been a battle
between light and darkness. Darkness has always had the overall edge.
The battleground is fought, won and lost in the minds of men. In all
honesty I don't see
much changing in the world because emotions are powerful forces.

Negative emotions, like greed and hate are not as powerful as love but
they are much easier
to aquire. Love, peace and the feelings of happiness are only felt in
short fleeting moments and they take
effort to make them grow and to dominate the psyche. But because human
beings are naturally weak and lazy they
usually settle for the negative or what they feel is the easy way.

"jonah"  wrote ...

On 22 Sep, 13:29, "The Happy Hippy"
 wrote:
> "jonah"  wrote ...
>
> > Physically attacking a person or his property is totally wrong, I
> > agree.
>
> At least we're on common ground there. Although I'm not sure how common
that
> ground is when it comes to the killing of innocent people in Iraq and
> Afghnistan and the destruction of their property by western forces.

The manifestation of evil is local and global. The world has always
been a battle
between light and darkness. Darkness has always had the overall edge.
The battleground is fought, won and lost in the minds of men. In all
honesty I don't see
much changing in the world because emotions are powerful forces.

Negative emotions, like greed and hate are not as powerful as love but
they are much easier
to aquire. Love, peace and the feelings of happiness are only felt in
short fleeting moments and they take
effort to make them grow and to dominate the psyche. But because human
beings are naturally weak and lazy they
usually settle for the negative or what they feel is the easy way.

====

Seems then that we may agree; the murder of innocent civilians by American
forces is indeed evil, driven by their being weak and lazy and settling for
the negative or whatever they feel is the easy way.

"The Happy Hippy"  wrote in message 
news:VvrBk.60926$E41.18758@text.news.virginmedia.com...
>
> "Richard" <(none)> wrote ...
>
>> For an ethno-nationalist political party, which AFAIK does allow others 
>> to
>> join, look no further than the SNP !
>
> In official parlance the SNP talk of the "people of Scotland" rather than
> the colloquial "Scots" with its implied hereditory status. Nothing on the
> SNP website suggests membership isn't open to anyone.
Which is exactly the point I made above.

<snip>

> I'm sure the SNP's own Constitution covers it in detail ( and I'm sure 
> there
> are exclusions detailed as with most political parties ) but a brief 
> search
> didn't turn that up on-line.
>
> The BNP explicitly state their membership is only open to "those of 
> British
> or kindred European ethnic descent".

So the SNP has decided to apply the term "people of Scotland" instead of 
"Scottish people" .... though having a very small ethnic minority population 
(and I include the English living there among that), the SNP can afford to 
be politically correct :-)

In England, where something approaching 25% of the population is not of 
"British or kindred European ethnic descent", perhaps the BNP (and for that 
matter the ENP) have felt that they can't afford to be so generous?

Presumably though the BNP's membership includes Gypsies, and people from the 
Europeans parts of Turkey and Armenia, Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan etc., as 
they are all of "kindred European decent" ;-)