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date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:12:18 -0700 (PDT),    group: uk.current-events.terrorism        back       
GWBush and Ghouliani should not be at Ground Zero tomorrow. They haven't done anything of merit to deserve it.   
Ghouliani has ridden 9/11/01 as a stump broke mule in the subsequent
years, despite the many lies and other sins he has committed in the
meantime.  He LIED when he said he spent more time than anyone else
there - that has clearly been shown by the time records.  He SINNED
when he sent those rescuers down there without adequate protection,
particularly respiratory protection - but notice how he NEVER went
down there without some on.  He presided over the mish-mosh of all the
different communication systems of those primarily involved - the
police, the firefighters, and the EMTs.

Rudy rode it for all those years hoping it would help him in his bid
for the Presidency in 2008, but people saw through his lies and the
sins he committed, and he was not even considered as a VP candidate
because everyone was well aware of his many foibles.

Likewise with the prince of the evil empire #4 - the vacuous charlatan
GWBush.  Bush is a liar and scoundrel of the same level as Ghouliani,
if not worse.  Bush lied about Saddam Hussein's ties to al-Queda
(there were none, it turns out), the WMD in Iraq, the body counts of
innocent citizens in Iraq and Afghanistan, the devious no-bid
contracts to Dick Cheney's Halliburton, and the sinful Blackwater
Consulting, and all of the war crimes committed by his administration
(abu Ghraib, Club Gitmo, waterboarding, other torture, etc.).  Bush
has repeatedly been quoted as saying that he is not concerned about
Osama bin Laden - OBL has been on the FBIs top ten list for some time,
from about 1999, but there is no reference on his 'wanted' page about
9/11/01, which indicates OBL was not involved in it anyway.

Bush and Ghouliani are infidels, idiots, and imbeciles.  If they go
there it is not because of any success that has been made in the
intervening years, but because they are reveling, and relishing, all
of the good times their friends had behind the suffering of so many
people.  They are vacuous sinners, and they will definitely go to hell
when their mortal lives are over.   AMEN!
date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:12:18 -0700 (PDT)   author:   unknown

Re: GWBush and Ghouliani should not be at Ground Zero tomorrow. They haven't done anything of merit to deserve it.   
The MYTH of GIULIANI AND 9/11:

When Rudy Giuliani emerged from the toxic dust of the World Trade Center the 
national media caught a quick case of amnesia, preferring the iconic image 
of a "hero" over reality.  They quickly forgot Giuliani's dismal tenure in 
mayoral office, his life-costing failures to address the threat of 
terrorism, and his sorry performance on the morning of September 11, 2001.

By the time his ship came in on 9/11, Giuliani's approval rating among his 
constituency, according to a Quinnipiac University poll, had hit a Bush-like 
37 percent.  In desperation to recover his plummeting popularity, Giuliani 
seized upon any and every opportunity to appear the "hero." Despite ordering 
a crackdown on speeding, his car and entourage were seen and reported in the 
press as greatly exceeding the speed limit in racing to locations of 
newsworthy events so he could appear there in front of the media cameras. 
Desperate to become the "hero," he broke the laws he demanded that others 
obey.

Prior to 9/11, Giuliani's most criminally negligent if not malevolent 
pretense to heroism came with his West Nile Virus hoax.  This usually mild, 
mosquito-borne disease is not contagious person to person and is far less 
dangerous than common influenza, but Giuliani had the media play it up as an 
impending disaster, and came on like a knight in shining armor with a 
solution.  His cure was far worse than the disease, and no doubt has caused 
and will cause many illnesses and deaths, as did his post-9/11 assurances 
that the Ground Zero air was safe to breathe.  He had all of New York City 
repeatedly sprayed from the air with Malathion, a highly toxic insecticide, 
and completely disregarded the manufacturer's advised safety precautions in 
doing so.  Note that malicious intent is far harder to prove in 
environmental poisoning cases than as when Giuliani ordered the police to 
falsely arrest someone, or tacitly encouraged them to brutally beat or shoot 
suspects to death - all among the many incidents that led to his plummeting 
popularity before 9/11.

Giuliani himself was actually responsible for the alleged West Nile Virus 
threat. He had disbanded New York's Pest Control Unit, whose job was to find 
and eradicate pools of stagnant water where mosquitoes breed. Thus he set 
the stage for his "heroic" response to this "crisis."

Today, Giuliani lives and breathes a 9/11 mantra, and as he desired is 
portrayed as an iconic American hero - the "leader" we needed when George W. 
Bush was otherwise occupied on September 11, 2001. But was Giuliani REALLY a 
hero on or after that infamous day of horror?

As with Bush, Giuliani's failing political career was rescued by the 
terrorists that attacked New York on 9/11.  Some believe these terrorists 
had help from within the US government, and even that some within the 
government itself were the actual terrorists.  To find criminals, one must 
consider who most benefited from the crime.  It is strange if not truly 
sinister that Giuliani stated to Peter Jennings in an interview that on 9/11 
he had prior knowledge of the World Trade Center collapses, but subsequently 
he denied and continues to deny that he said this.  Here Giuliani is caught 
in a direct lie - you can hear it at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hNmf76GUCw More documentation can be found 
at: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc_giuliani.html

Regarding the Ground Zero air and the many now dead and dying therefrom, 
former EPA Secretary Christine Whitman has stated that she urged Ground Zero 
workers to wear respirators, but that Giuliani blocked her efforts, and also 
that the Giuliani administration appeared to be more concerned with its 
image than the safety and speedy response of EPA employees in the wake of 
the subsequent anthrax scare.

Administration documents and thousands of pages of legal testimony filed in 
a lawsuit against New York City show the Giuliani administration never 
meaningfully enforced federal requirements that those at the site wear 
respirators.  At the same time, the administration warned companies working 
on the toxic pile that they would face penalties or be fired if work slowed.

Giuliani said in the first month after the attacks, "The air quality is safe 
and acceptable." However, in the weeks after the attacks, the United States 
Geological Survey identified hundreds of asbestos hot spots of debris dust 
that remained on buildings.  By the end of the month the USGS reported that 
the toxicity of the debris was akin to that of drain cleaner.  It would 
eventually be determined that a wide swath of lower Manhattan and Brooklyn 
had been heavily contaminated by highly caustic and toxic materials.  The 
city's health agencies, such as the Department of Environmental Protection, 
failed to supervise or issue guidelines for the testing and cleanup of 
private buildings, leaving this responsibility to building owners.

"The city ran a generally slipshod, haphazard, uncoordinated, unfocused 
response to environmental concerns," said David Newman, an industrial 
hygienist with the New York Committee on Occupational Safety and Health.

On 9/11 New York was left without an emergency command center because 
Giuliani, going against the advice of both the police and fire departments, 
decided to locate the center conveniently near City Hall in World Trade 
Center building 7, along with tanks containing tens of thousands of gallons 
of deisel fuel - in direct violation of New York City fire laws.  This was 
despite the 1993 WTC bombing that proved it to be the number one terrorism 
target.  It was this decision that put him on the street on 9/11 instead of 
inside a command center coordinating operations.  Ironically, this also put 
him in front of hundreds of media cameras, sparking his image transformation 
into a "hero."

While our "hero" was posing for the cameras, however, there was no 
communication possible between the police department and the fire 
department, whose REAL heroes were rushing to their deaths inside the 
towers.  And there was likewise no communication between the police officers 
who identified an open stairway for escape from above the fire zone and the 
911 phone operators who were telling soon-to-be-dead office workers to stay 
put and wait for the firefighters.  Giuliani had been aware of the 
inadequacy of the emergency services' communications equipment for many 
years, but did absolutely nothing about it.  This criminal negligence also 
doomed hundreds of firefighters that were unable to hear orders to evacuate 
the north tower prior to collapse.

Whatever possibility existed for communication between the police and fire 
departments, whose radios operated on different frequencies, evaporated when 
Giuliani visited a makeshift fire/police command center that had formed in 
his absence.  There he ORDERED THE POLICE BRASS TO LEAVE and accompany him 
uptown.  This "heroic leadership" effectively put the fire department and 
police department commanders in different physical locations with no 
communication possible between them.

Present Police Commissioner Ray Kelly stated that he doesn't have any idea 
who was in charge on 9/11 because Bernie Kerik and all the top chiefs in the 
police department basically acted as bodyguards to Giuliani and no one was 
running the shop.

Firefighters finally took to the streets to protest Giuliani's decision to 
limit the number of uniformed firefighters and police officers sifting 
through the rubble for remains, and the "scoop-and-dump" haste of the 
cleanup.  They accused the administration of rushing the cleanup at the cost 
of trashing the remains of victims.  [And, it is pointed out by 9/11 
conspiracy theorists, to quickly dispose of any incriminating evidence.  The 
steel, some claim bearing evidence of demolition explosives, was shipped to 
China and quickly melted down.] At the firefighters' demonstration Giuliani, 
in signature style, ordered Peter Gorman, head of the Uniformed Fire 
Officers Association, and Kevin Gallagher, head of the Uniformed 
Firefighters Association, to be ARRESTED at the protest site!  A 
spokesperson for Gallagher told the media "The mayor fails to realize that 
New York City is not a dictatorship." Gorman went a step further, joining 
the multitudes of New Yorkers calling the mayor a "fascist" - an often-heard 
charge that dogged Giuliani throughout his mayoral tenure.

The fact is that Giuliani's switch to a scoop-and-dump cleanup coincided 
with the removal of millions of dollars in gold, silver, and other assets of 
the Bank of Nova Scotia that were buried beneath the towers' debris.  Once 
the money was out, Giuliani sided with the developers that opposed a lengthy 
recovery effort, ordering the scoop-and-dump operation so they could proceed 
with redevelopment.  Harold Schaitberger of the International Association of 
Firefighters (IAFF), the nation's largest firefighters' organization, 
assailed Giuliani, detailing how the mayor ditched body-recovery efforts 
only 24 hours after recovering the $230 million.  "He found the gold on 
October 31, and November 1 is when he issued the order to remove the 
firefighters from their recovery mode."

President Steve Cassidy of the Uniformed Firefighters Association, which 
represents about 9,000 firefighters, recently told The NY Post that the UFA 
"will never be with Rudy Giuliani - we will make it known that he is not 
qualified to lead."

Cassidy's blunt assessments stemmed from the "poor preparations" Giuliani 
made to protect the city and first-responders in the wake of the 1993 WTC 
bombing that killed six.  "For someone running for the highest office in the 
country and claiming to be a leader on terrorism, Giuliani's track record 
stinks," Cassidy declared.  9/11 Commission member John Lehman likewise said 
that New York City's disaster planning was "not worthy of the Boy Scouts, 
let alone this great city."

"All he was doing was wandering around the city, and he wasn't able to make 
sure firefighters and police could communicate.  Serious mistakes, crucial 
mistakes were made," Cassidy fumed, pointing to the faulty radios that had 
failed in 1993 and failed again in 2001, preventing hundreds of firefighters 
from hearing orders to evacuate the north tower.  "On the heroic memory of 
343 dead firefighters, he wants to run for president of the United States! 
It's a disgrace."

"Rudy Giuliani did not have New York City prepared for a second terror 
attack, and prior to September 11th his poll numbers reflected that he 
couldn't get elected to any significant position," the UFA head stated. 
"What did he do, in the weeks and months after 9/11, except claim he was the 
guiding light?" He also lashed out at Giuliani for campaigning on 
"revisionist history," and excoriated him for "not lifting one finger" to 
help sick Ground Zero workers who had to push Albany legislators to pass 
9/11 health-care bills after hundreds of first responders fell ill.

A relevant video documentary, "Rudy Giuliani: Urban Legend," can be viewed 
at 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaCYEEO-58I&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Erudy%2Durbanlegend%2Ecom%2F

"This image of Rudy Giuliani as America's mayor, it's a myth," states 
Cassidy.  Denying charges of political motivation for opposing Giuliani, 
Cassidy said his union supported George Bush in the last election and had 
supported George Pataki for governor of New York.  "It's not about 
Republicans, it's about THIS Republican," he said.

Jerome Hauer was the city's emergency management director from 1996 to 2000, 
and is recognized as a leading expert on biological and chemical terrorism. 
"Rudy would make a terrible president and that is why I am speaking now," Mr 
Hauer told London's The Sunday Telegraph. "He's a control freak who 
micro-manages decisions, he has a confrontational character trait and picks 
fights just to score points. He's the last thing this country needs as 
president." Mr Hauer also accused Mr Giuliani of failing to sort out turf 
battles between the city's police and fire departments, and of appointing 
inexperienced cronies to key positions.

INTERVIEW: Wayne Barrett by Williams Cole 
http://brooklynrail.org/2006/9/local/wayne-barrett

Wayne Barrett, a Senior Editor at the Village Voice, is an icon of New York 
City journalism, resulting from exhaustively researched investigative 
reporting that led to his classic books City for Sale: Ed Koch and the 
Betrayal of New York, and Rudy!  An Investigative Biography.  Rudy!  reveals 
shocking new information about Giuliani's past and was instrumental in 
researching Giuliani Time, a recent feature documentary about Giuliani and 
New York City.  Barrett's new book (co-written with Dan Collins) is Grand 
Illusion: The Untold Story of Rudy Giuliani and 9/11.  - W.  Cole

Williams Cole (Brooklyn Rail): In writing and researching the book, what was 
the most shocking thing you found out about Giuliani and 9/11 for you, a 
Giuliani expert?

Wayne Barrett: I was really surprised at how the 1993 World Trade Center 
bombing had absolutely no effect on his consciousness.  Six people died, but 
so many more could have and we show in four or five different ways how a 
much bigger catastrophe was only narrowly averted.  It was a dramatic 
announcement of the arrival of terrorism in this country and in this city. 
Then in June of '93 the FBI and the NYPD busted terrorists in Queens who 
were a week away from blowing up the Holland Tunnel, the United Nations, a 
whole series of targets.  So 1993 was the peak year of terrorism in this 
country and in this city prior to 9/11, yet it did not register in any way 
in the Giuliani mind.  We did many interviews with people that were in high 
levels within the Giuliani administration, who interviewed for the police 
commissioner in 1993 and the panel that Giuliani appointed for choosing the 
police commissioner.  All of them say that the question of the '93 bombings, 
the question of terrorism generally, absolutely never came up.  The mayor 
never raised it, top advisors never raised it, it was nowhere on the screen, 
it was nowhere.  It was much the same two years later when Giuliani created 
the Office of Emergency Management which, retroactively, he claimed was the 
best sign that he understood the terrorist threat.  But as we establish in 
the book, terrorism had nothing to do with the OEM.  Again, we interviewed 
the panel that picked the first OEM director, we interviewed the candidates, 
even Jerry Hauer who got the job, and terrorism had almost nothing to do 
with the creation of the OEM.  So what I was really shocked about, and 
surprised about, was how clear it was that terrorism was something that 
Giuliani never fixated on.

Brooklyn Rail: But now he pitches himself as an expert on terrorism.

Barrett: Yes, but it's not just Rudy who postures himself as a terrorism 
expert.  Why is it that after every event, the media immediately asks him to 
come on, and the media positions him as an expert on terrorism?  It is 
obviously a consequence of the belief that because he was roaming the 
canyons of lower Manhattan on 9/11, that somehow that is an indication that 
he is a leader in the fight against terrorism, when actually he wouldn't 
have been in the canyons of lower Manhattan if he had located his command 
center where Mike Bloomberg has now and where his own top security people 
recommended he locate it in the '90s - namely in downtown Brooklyn, 
underneath the ground.  If the command center had been there, Rudy wouldn't 
have been roaming the canyons of lower Manhattan and he wouldn't be the icon 
of 9/11.  But somehow that visual has insinuated itself in the American 
media mindset, that he's the expert on terrorism because he faced it down 
that morning.  He should have been operating less inspirationally and more 
effectively in a command center in a responsible location, rather than at a 
most vulnerable location.  And he should have been with his top chiefs, the 
fire department, police department, emergency management; he should have 
been making solid judgments about how to respond to this.  Instead, he was 
walking the streets of lower Manhattan, making bad decisions down there as 
well.

Rail: And it's pretty clear that the comments on security and terrorism are 
going to be one of his defining roles should he run for president.

Barrett: Absolutely, I think the rationale for his presidential candidacy is 
five years of spin about him as the leader on 9/11 and as the terrorism 
prophet.  I think he made some terrible mistakes that morning in terms of 
strategic response, but as far as an inspirational figure goes, he said all 
the right things.  Even on 9/11 itself he was circumspect enough to say 
let's not blame a community for this attack - he was urging tolerance. 
After seven-and-a-half years of his mayoralty, the last thing we would 
expect from him is empathy and tolerance.  But beyond that voice was seven 
years of miserable preparation for any attack, and even critical mistakes 
that day.  For example, he left the makeshift command post set up at the 
World Trade Center - essentially a table set up by the fire department - 
with all the police brass, in total violation of his own protocol.  If he 
had left even one of the top police commanders with the fire chiefs, if he 
had observed even one iota of his own protocol, then the fire chiefs would 
have known what the police brass believed, which was that the towers were 
going to collapse.  But because he didn't leave anybody there, because he 
didn't insist on a unified command post, but instead split the command post 
himself, then the malfunctioning of the radios proved to be very much more 
deadly because you couldn't have communication.  If you had a police chief 
standing next to a fire chief at the command post, they would have been able 
to exchange vital information.  There were critical failings, even on that 
terrible morning.

Rail: Talk a little more about the radio situation.

Barrett: I think we have major, shocking revelations about the relationship 
between the Giuliani Administration and Motorola.  There is such travesty in 
the fact that firefighters wound up with the same radios in their hands that 
malfunctioned at the '93 bombing.  We have one chapter devoted exclusively 
to tracking the narrative of why it was that no change occurred on the radio 
front, and that there are all kinds of relationships.  A pivotal person at 
the city's information agency had a sister who worked for Motorola in a high 
capacity, and this was the woman who steered the city, in large measure, 
toward the new radios that were purchased.  But even so, the city waited 
until March of 2001 to actually put new radios in firefighters hands, and 
then those radios malfunctioned within a week.  The Giuliani Administration 
could have easily reconfigured those radios, the new radios, and put them 
back in fire houses in the intervening months between then and 9/11. 
Instead, as a lame duck administration, it didn't do anything to put those 
radios back out.  We detailed a whole story of the nexus of the 
relationships between Motorola and the Giuliani Administration and I think 
it's certainly one of the reasons that so many firefighters died that day - 
because of how bad radio communications were.  I think we make that case 
very strongly.

Rail: Who went on the record for the book and were you surprised by some of 
the people that did?

Barrett: Some of the most interesting quotes in the book come from the staff 
of the 9/11 Commission itself.  We talked to almost everybody who worked on 
chapter nine of the 9/11 Commission report that deals specifically with the 
city's response.  I think some of the most interesting quotations come from 
people like Don Farmer, who was one of the top counsels in the Commission in 
charge of chapter nine, and Sam Caspersen who is top assistant.  Both of 
them said some pretty remarkable things in the book.  Don Farmer, for 
example, says that there's no question, had the command center been located 
at a responsible site where the city could've functioned that day, that in 
his mind there's no question that the number of casualties would have been 
greatly reduced.  The current Police Commissioner Ray Kelly says that he 
doesn't have any idea who was in charge on 9/11 because Bernie Kerik and all 
the top chiefs in the police department basically acted as bodyguards to 
Giuliani and no one was running the shop.  They didn't even open the 
emergency command center at the police department until an hour into the 
incident.  Louis Anemone, the highest-ranking officer throughout most of the 
Giuliani era, said he worked for more than a year developing what he called 
the vulnerability list, defining the most vulnerable sites for terrorists in 
New York.  But when he made his presentation to the mayor about it, Anemone 
said the mayor glazed over, he was totally uninterested.  And of course, the 
World Trade Center was at the top of his vulnerability list.  So some of the 
people who did talk for the record are pretty remarkable.  It's a sign of 
the fact that, in New York at least, people are willing to come to grips 
with the failings that cost lives that day.

Rail: I wonder if you could comment, after writing two books now about 
Giuliani, how you would sum up his personality?  Does he calculate things 
politically, is he an opportunist?  What is the essence there?  Can he admit 
mistakes?

Barrett: He's never really admitted any mistakes about 9/11.  It's 
astonishing to me.  I don't think he's a very reflective man about these 
kinds of things.  Rudy is a spinmeister, he is an extraordinary, flexible 
public personality in the sense that he now champions virtually any 
Republican.  He was campaigning for Rick Santorum in Pennsylvania, who 
likened gay people, black and gay people, to animals.  Yet the night of 9/11 
Rudy went to the house of Howard Koeppel, his gay friend, where he had been 
staying because of his marital difficulties, and where he continued to stay. 
He was living with two gay men on the night of 9/11 and now he's campaigning 
for Rick Santorum who is likening them to animals.  That's Rudy's 
ever-flexible political mind.  The last time he ran for public office was in 
1997.  People tend to forget how long ago it was, and then he was very 
consciously projecting himself as this very non-partisan manager who was 
only sort of accidentally a Republican.  He used to do everything to 
distance himself from his years of service to Ronald Reagan when he ran for 
mayor of New York in 1989 and 1993.  He consciously did that, and explicitly 
did it.  Now, he invokes Ronald Reagan all the time.  Recently he was 
campaigning for Ralph Reed and he was invoking Jesus in Florida.  He is 
certainly calculated.  It's this elastic politics, this ability to be 
whatever he needs to be to make it to the next goal.  It's so striking.  I 
don't think there's any core there.


RECOMMENDED READING:

Giuliani: Nasty Man - by Edward I.  Koch, former NYC mayor.

Giuliani Time (DVD) - with David Dinkins, Ron Kuby, Wayne Barrett, Rudolph 
W.  Giuliani, Kevin Keating.

Grand Illusion: The Untold Story of Rudy Giuliani and 9/11 - by Wayne 
Barrett and Dan Collins.

"Rudy Giuliani: Urban Legend" can be viewed at 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaCYEEO-58I&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Erudy%2Durbanlegend%2Ecom%2F
date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 19:47:16 GMT   author:   Freedom Fighter

Re: GWBush and Ghouliani should not be at Ground Zero tomorrow. They haven't done anything of merit to deserve it.   
Ghoulee and Bush.

Two assholes who caused a lot of innocent people to suffer and and die 
for their vanity.

-- 
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and 
carrying the cross." - Sinclair Lewis
date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 01:06:51 -0400   author:   Slim

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