UK considers Guantanamo man move

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/uk/7588257.stm

Published: 2008/08/29 16:41:00 GMT


The government has been given a further week by the High Court to consider
its refusal to disclose material involving a UK resident held in Guantanamo
Bay.

Binyam Mohamed, who is facing terrorism charges, says the documents support
his case that the evidence against him has been obtained through torture.

Mr Mohamed, 30, has been held at the US military prison in Cuba for four
years.

On 21 August a High Court judge ruled the material should be disclosed,
saying it was "essential".

The United States accuses Mr Mohamed of conspiring with al-Qaeda leaders to
plan terror attacks on civilians.

He is facing a military trial in the US and could receive the death penalty
if found guilty.

'Shocking'

The US government had made a "welcome and significant" change in its
position regarding documents in Mr Mohamed's case, Lord Justice Thomas said
on Friday.

This had a bearing on the Foreign Office's bid to stop disclosure under
public interest immunity, he said.

The British government has argued the disclosure of its material would
cause "significant damage to national security of the United Kingdom".

Legal charity, Reprieve, is representing Mr Mohamed.

Its director, Clive Stafford Smith, said: "The government says it wants to
help Binyam Mohamed, yet then has the nerve to pretend that the British
public interest is best served by covering up America's criminal act of
kidnapping and torturing him.

"It effectively says that a British resident's right to a fair trial is less
important than avoiding embarrassing the Bush administration."

A Foreign Office spokesman said the court had noted the "very considerable
lengths" to which the government had gone to assist Mr Mohamed.

He said: "We have never contested that Mr Mohamed's defence lawyers should
have access to information which would assist him in his defence in any
trial at Guantanamo Bay.

"It remains for the court to consider whether any additional benefit to Mr
Mohamed from court-ordered UK disclosure outweighs the significant damage
that we believe would be caused to intelligence-sharing relationships
between the UK and the US, and thus to UK national security."

The decision is due in late September.

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Facts are sacred ... but comment is free

On 29 Aug, 19:12, Robin T Cox  wrote:
> UK considers Guantanamo man move
>
> Story from BBC NEWS:http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/uk/7588257.stm
>
> Published: 2008/08/29 16:41:00 GMT
>
> The government has been given a further week by the High Court to consider
> its refusal to disclose material involving a UK resident held in Guantanamo
> Bay.
>
> Binyam Mohamed, who is facing terrorism charges, says the documents support
> his case that the evidence against him has been obtained through torture.
>
> Mr Mohamed, 30, has been held at the US military prison in Cuba for four
> years.
>
> On 21 August a High Court judge ruled the material should be disclosed,
> saying it was "essential".
>
> The United States accuses Mr Mohamed of conspiring with al-Qaeda leaders to
> plan terror attacks on civilians.
>
> He is facing a military trial in the US and could receive the death penalty
> if found guilty.
>
> 'Shocking'
>
> The US government had made a "welcome and significant" change in its
> position regarding documents in Mr Mohamed's case, Lord Justice Thomas said
> on Friday.
>
> This had a bearing on the Foreign Office's bid to stop disclosure under
> public interest immunity, he said.
>
> The British government has argued the disclosure of its material would
> cause "significant damage to national security of the United Kingdom".
>
> Legal charity, Reprieve, is representing Mr Mohamed.
>
> Its director, Clive Stafford Smith, said: "The government says it wants to
> help Binyam Mohamed, yet then has the nerve to pretend that the British
> public interest is best served by covering up America's criminal act of
> kidnapping and torturing him.
>
> "It effectively says that a British resident's right to a fair trial is less
> important than avoiding embarrassing the Bush administration."
>
> A Foreign Office spokesman said the court had noted the "very considerable
> lengths" to which the government had gone to assist Mr Mohamed.
>
> He said: "We have never contested that Mr Mohamed's defence lawyers should
> have access to information which would assist him in his defence in any
> trial at Guantanamo Bay.
>
> "It remains for the court to consider whether any additional benefit to Mr
> Mohamed from court-ordered UK disclosure outweighs the significant damage
> that we believe would be caused to intelligence-sharing relationships
> between the UK and the US, and thus to UK national security."
>
> The decision is due in late September.
>
> --
> Facts are sacred ... but comment is free

If the Americans were not holding this scumbag he would be in living
in the UK courtesy of the Tax payer, Milliband and all the
other anti white British pc politicians and the anti white, pro ethnic
liberals would then be licking round his ring.

jonah@robbiekeane.zzn.com wrote:

> If the Americans were not holding this scumbag he would be in living
> in the UK courtesy of the Tax payer, Milliband and all the
> other anti white British pc politicians and the anti white, pro ethnic
> liberals would then be licking round his ring.

I always wonder how one can hold such a view yet allow others whose 
mouth is much more firmly clamped onto GB's comforting nipple to go 
unchallenged; the fat cat businessmen for example, landed gentry or the 
dear old Queen. How does their sponging fit into your world view?

T

On 31 Aug, 22:11, Tony B  wrote:
> jo...@robbiekeane.zzn.com wrote:
> > If the Americans were not holding this scumbag he would be in living
> > in the UK courtesy of the Tax payer, Milliband and all the
> > other anti white British pc politicians and the anti white, pro ethnic
> > liberals would then be licking round his ring.
>
> I always wonder how one can hold such a view yet allow others whose
> mouth is much more firmly clamped onto GB's comforting nipple to go
> unchallenged; the fat cat businessmen for example, landed gentry or the
> dear old Queen. How does their sponging fit into your world view?
>
>
I don't allow anything, These "others" are just that. . But today I am
slaging off one or two groups, Tommorow
it could be another, like the other group you quoted. It don't matter
if they a left wing,
liberals, or the right and fake nationalists, the EU, the US, Israel,
or the rich elitists and royality,
My only concern is for my own people and nationalism and in turn I
slag off all our enemies.

wrote in message 
news:d74688f1-8e3c-417b-9f64-e3791ba136b8@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On 31 Aug, 22:11, Tony B  wrote:
>> jo...@robbiekeane.zzn.com wrote:
>> > If the Americans were not holding this scumbag he would be in living
>> > in the UK courtesy of the Tax payer, Milliband and all the
>> > other anti white British pc politicians and the anti white, pro ethnic
>> > liberals would then be licking round his ring.
>>
>> I always wonder how one can hold such a view yet allow others whose
>> mouth is much more firmly clamped onto GB's comforting nipple to go
>> unchallenged; the fat cat businessmen for example, landed gentry or the
>> dear old Queen. How does their sponging fit into your world view?
>>
>>
> I don't allow anything, These "others" are just that. . But today I am
> slaging off one or two groups, Tommorow
> it could be another, like the other group you quoted. It don't matter
> if they a left wing,
> liberals, or the right and fake nationalists, the EU, the US, Israel,
> or the rich elitists and royality,
> My only concern is for my own people and nationalism and in turn I
> slag off all our enemies.

That's interesting. Who would you define as, "my own people" ?

wrote ...

> If the Americans were not holding this scumbag he would be in living
> in the UK courtesy of the Tax payer, Milliband and all the
> other anti white British pc politicians and the anti white, pro ethnic
> liberals would then be licking round his ring.

Nothing less than we expected from a racist and bigot like yourself.

On 1 Sep, 10:48, "Bill Again"  wrote:
>  wrote in message
>
> news:d74688f1-8e3c-417b-9f64-e3791ba136b8@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 31 Aug, 22:11, Tony B  wrote:
> >> jo...@robbiekeane.zzn.com wrote:
> >> > If the Americans were not holding this scumbag he would be in living
> >> > in the UK courtesy of the Tax payer, Milliband and all the
> >> > other anti white British pc politicians and the anti white, pro ethnic
> >> > liberals would then be licking round his ring.
>
> >> I always wonder how one can hold such a view yet allow others whose
> >> mouth is much more firmly clamped onto GB's comforting nipple to go
> >> unchallenged; the fat cat businessmen for example, landed gentry or the
> >> dear old Queen. How does their sponging fit into your world view?
>
> > I don't allow anything, These "others" are just that. . But today I am
> > slaging off one or two groups, Tommorow
> > it could be another, like the other group you quoted. It don't matter
> > if they a left wing,
> > liberals, or the right and fake nationalists, the EU, the US, Israel,
> > or the rich elitists and royality,
> > My only concern is for my own people and nationalism and in turn I
> > slag off all our enemies.
>
> That's interesting. Who would you define as, "my own people" ?- Hide quoted text -
The white indigenous British nationalists.
>
> - Show quoted text -

On 2 Sep, 18:08, "The Happy Hippy" 
wrote:
>  wrote ...
>
> > If the Americans were not holding this scumbag he would be in living
> > in the UK courtesy of the Tax payer, Milliband and all the
> > other anti white British pc politicians and the anti white, pro ethnic
> > liberals would then be licking round his ring.
>
> Nothing less than we expected from a racist and bigot like yourself.

You speak for yourself, numpty.

wrote in message 
news:308cdb86-ed40-445a-8dde-4149f176fe4d@x35g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> On 1 Sep, 10:48, "Bill Again"  wrote:
>>  wrote in message
>>
>> news:d74688f1-8e3c-417b-9f64-e3791ba136b8@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On 31 Aug, 22:11, Tony B  wrote:
>> >> jo...@robbiekeane.zzn.com wrote:
>> >> > If the Americans were not holding this scumbag he would be in living
>> >> > in the UK courtesy of the Tax payer, Milliband and all the
>> >> > other anti white British pc politicians and the anti white, pro 
>> >> > ethnic
>> >> > liberals would then be licking round his ring.
>>
>> >> I always wonder how one can hold such a view yet allow others whose
>> >> mouth is much more firmly clamped onto GB's comforting nipple to go
>> >> unchallenged; the fat cat businessmen for example, landed gentry or 
>> >> the
>> >> dear old Queen. How does their sponging fit into your world view?
>>
>> > I don't allow anything, These "others" are just that. . But today I am
>> > slaging off one or two groups, Tommorow
>> > it could be another, like the other group you quoted. It don't matter
>> > if they a left wing,
>> > liberals, or the right and fake nationalists, the EU, the US, Israel,
>> > or the rich elitists and royality,
>> > My only concern is for my own people and nationalism and in turn I
>> > slag off all our enemies.
>>
>> That's interesting. Who would you define as, "my own people" ?- Hide 
>> quoted text -
> The white indigenous British nationalists.
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>

Indigenous. Born in a country, rather than a visitor or immigrant. How very 
interesting. So why only the white ones? Do you discriminate only on skin 
colour? What about eye coloration? Or hair? Must the hair be straight or can 
it also be a bit curly? What sort of wiggle room do we have here? Good to 
know these things. I would hate to return to England without being aware of 
who I could identify as "my own people".

jonah@robbiekeane.zzn.com wrote:

> The white indigenous British nationalists.

Not British. English.

The BNP has no support in Scotland worth speaking of.

They are just a bunch of extreme right Little Englanders.
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On 2 Sep, 19:56, "Bill Again"  wrote:
>  wrote in message
>
> news:308cdb86-ed40-445a-8dde-4149f176fe4d@x35g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 1 Sep, 10:48, "Bill Again"  wrote:
> >>  wrote in message
>
> >>news:d74688f1-8e3c-417b-9f64-e3791ba136b8@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> > On 31 Aug, 22:11, Tony B  wrote:
> >> >> jo...@robbiekeane.zzn.com wrote:
> >> >> > If the Americans were not holding this scumbag he would be in living
> >> >> > in the UK courtesy of the Tax payer, Milliband and all the
> >> >> > other anti white British pc politicians and the anti white, pro
> >> >> > ethnic
> >> >> > liberals would then be licking round his ring.
>
> >> >> I always wonder how one can hold such a view yet allow others whose
> >> >> mouth is much more firmly clamped onto GB's comforting nipple to go
> >> >> unchallenged; the fat cat businessmen for example, landed gentry or
> >> >> the
> >> >> dear old Queen. How does their sponging fit into your world view?
>
> >> > I don't allow anything, These "others" are just that. . But today I am
> >> > slaging off one or two groups, Tommorow
> >> > it could be another, like the other group you quoted. It don't matter
> >> > if they a left wing,
> >> > liberals, or the right and fake nationalists, the EU, the US, Israel,
> >> > or the rich elitists and royality,
> >> > My only concern is for my own people and nationalism and in turn I
> >> > slag off all our enemies.
>
> >> That's interesting. Who would you define as, "my own people" ?- Hide
> >> quoted text -
> > The white indigenous British nationalists.
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> Indigenous. Born in a country, rather than a visitor or immigrant. How very
> interesting. So why only the white ones? Do you discriminate only on skin
> colour? What about eye coloration? Or hair? Must the hair be straight or can
> it also be a bit curly? What sort of wiggle room do we have here? Good to
> know these things. I would hate to return to England without being aware of
> who I could identify as "my own people".

If you look on a government form they ask the question about ethnicity
and I tick the box for "white British" so maybe
if you are confused you should ask them for the definition. In a
poitical sence I am
nationalist also, therefore, a white British nationalist. Do you think
I should be discriminated against
for being white and British? Or for being a white British nationalist?
what is it?


- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

On 2 Sep, 20:32, Robin T Cox  wrote:
> jo...@robbiekeane.zzn.com wrote:
> > The white indigenous British nationalists.
>
> Not British. English.
>
> The BNP has no support in Scotland worth speaking of.

So what. Jockland is lefty marxist paradise. Home of the little
jocklanders, the SNP.

>
> They are just a bunch of extreme right Little Englanders.
I think you will find it is the Labour party who are the extremists.
The BNP are moderate unionist party, only the brainwashed
would call them extreme. They have more socialist policies than right
wing. I'm from Ireland and the BNP have plenty of support here, as
they do in Wales
so the BNP are hardly an England party.




> --
> Facts are sacred ... but comment is free

wrote in message 
news:0a1256d8-f424-4b83-8b66-2d44f2c213b3@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> On 2 Sep, 19:56, "Bill Again"  wrote:
>>  wrote in message
>>
>> news:308cdb86-ed40-445a-8dde-4149f176fe4d@x35g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On 1 Sep, 10:48, "Bill Again"  wrote:
>> >>  wrote in message
>>
>> >>news:d74688f1-8e3c-417b-9f64-e3791ba136b8@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> >> > On 31 Aug, 22:11, Tony B  wrote:
>> >> >> jo...@robbiekeane.zzn.com wrote:
>> >> >> > If the Americans were not holding this scumbag he would be in 
>> >> >> > living
>> >> >> > in the UK courtesy of the Tax payer, Milliband and all the
>> >> >> > other anti white British pc politicians and the anti white, pro
>> >> >> > ethnic
>> >> >> > liberals would then be licking round his ring.
>>
>> >> >> I always wonder how one can hold such a view yet allow others whose
>> >> >> mouth is much more firmly clamped onto GB's comforting nipple to go
>> >> >> unchallenged; the fat cat businessmen for example, landed gentry or
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> dear old Queen. How does their sponging fit into your world view?
>>
>> >> > I don't allow anything, These "others" are just that. . But today I 
>> >> > am
>> >> > slaging off one or two groups, Tommorow
>> >> > it could be another, like the other group you quoted. It don't 
>> >> > matter
>> >> > if they a left wing,
>> >> > liberals, or the right and fake nationalists, the EU, the US, 
>> >> > Israel,
>> >> > or the rich elitists and royality,
>> >> > My only concern is for my own people and nationalism and in turn I
>> >> > slag off all our enemies.
>>
>> >> That's interesting. Who would you define as, "my own people" ?- Hide
>> >> quoted text -
>> > The white indigenous British nationalists.
>>
>> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> Indigenous. Born in a country, rather than a visitor or immigrant. How 
>> very
>> interesting. So why only the white ones? Do you discriminate only on skin
>> colour? What about eye coloration? Or hair? Must the hair be straight or 
>> can
>> it also be a bit curly? What sort of wiggle room do we have here? Good to
>> know these things. I would hate to return to England without being aware 
>> of
>> who I could identify as "my own people".
>
> If you look on a government form they ask the question about ethnicity
> and I tick the box for "white British" so maybe
> if you are confused you should ask them for the definition. In a
> poitical sence I am
> nationalist also, therefore, a white British nationalist. Do you think
> I should be discriminated against
> for being white and British? Or for being a white British nationalist?
> what is it?
>

Discriminated against for being white and British? Not at all dear chap. A 
mere accident of birth and nothing more. I am, however, not at all sure what 
a "nationalist" is, so cannot answer that part of your question. What I do 
find interesting are those cases, reported both in the press and on TV, 
where sturdy representatives of British white ethnicity have submitted 
themselves to DNA analysis and have been more than interested, and quite 
surprised, to discover that their ancestor-ship is derived from a similarly 
sturdy black ancestor. Have you ever thought this might apply to you? No. 
Neither did they. How would you feel if it did apply to you? No doubt but 
that you would be fascinated to learn this and would apply yourself 
earnestly to discovering more about your heritage instead of just slagging 
off those who you feel are inferior to you. Go for it Jonah! If it is too 
expensive for you then perhaps I can help organise a whip round or 
something.

wrote ...

> On 2 Sep, 18:08, "The Happy Hippy" 
> wrote:
> >  wrote ...
> >
> > > If the Americans were not holding this scumbag he would be in living
> > > in the UK courtesy of the Tax payer, Milliband and all the
> > > other anti white British pc politicians and the anti white, pro ethnic
> > > liberals would then be licking round his ring.
> >
> > Nothing less than we expected from a racist and bigot like yourself.
>
> You speak for yourself, numpty.

I think not on both counts. In fact I know not.

On 3 Sep, 00:34, "Bill Again"  wrote:
>  wrote in message
>
> news:0a1256d8-f424-4b83-8b66-2d44f2c213b3@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 2 Sep, 19:56, "Bill Again"  wrote:
> >>  wrote in message
>
> >>news:308cdb86-ed40-445a-8dde-4149f176fe4d@x35g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> > On 1 Sep, 10:48, "Bill Again"  wrote:
> >> >>  wrote in message
>
> >> >>news:d74688f1-8e3c-417b-9f64-e3791ba136b8@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> >> > On 31 Aug, 22:11, Tony B  wrote:
> >> >> >> jo...@robbiekeane.zzn.com wrote:
> >> >> >> > If the Americans were not holding this scumbag he would be in
> >> >> >> > living
> >> >> >> > in the UK courtesy of the Tax payer, Milliband and all the
> >> >> >> > other anti white British pc politicians and the anti white, pro
> >> >> >> > ethnic
> >> >> >> > liberals would then be licking round his ring.
>
> >> >> >> I always wonder how one can hold such a view yet allow others whose
> >> >> >> mouth is much more firmly clamped onto GB's comforting nipple to go
> >> >> >> unchallenged; the fat cat businessmen for example, landed gentry or
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> dear old Queen. How does their sponging fit into your world view?
>
> >> >> > I don't allow anything, These "others" are just that. . But today I
> >> >> > am
> >> >> > slaging off one or two groups, Tommorow
> >> >> > it could be another, like the other group you quoted. It don't
> >> >> > matter
> >> >> > if they a left wing,
> >> >> > liberals, or the right and fake nationalists, the EU, the US,
> >> >> > Israel,
> >> >> > or the rich elitists and royality,
> >> >> > My only concern is for my own people and nationalism and in turn I
> >> >> > slag off all our enemies.
>
> >> >> That's interesting. Who would you define as, "my own people" ?- Hide
> >> >> quoted text -
> >> > The white indigenous British nationalists.
>
> >> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> >> Indigenous. Born in a country, rather than a visitor or immigrant. How
> >> very
> >> interesting. So why only the white ones? Do you discriminate only on skin
> >> colour? What about eye coloration? Or hair? Must the hair be straight or
> >> can
> >> it also be a bit curly? What sort of wiggle room do we have here? Good to
> >> know these things. I would hate to return to England without being aware
> >> of
> >> who I could identify as "my own people".
>
> > If you look on a government form they ask the question about ethnicity
> > and I tick the box for "white British" so maybe
> > if you are confused you should ask them for the definition. In a
> > poitical sence I am
> > nationalist also, therefore, a white British nationalist. Do you think
> > I should be discriminated against
> > for being white and British? Or for being a white British nationalist?
> > what is it?
>
> Discriminated against for being white and British? Not at all dear chap. A
> mere accident of birth and nothing more. I am, however, not at all sure what
> a "nationalist" is, so cannot answer that part of your question. What I do
> find interesting are those cases, reported both in the press and on TV,
> where sturdy representatives of British white ethnicity have submitted
> themselves to DNA analysis and have been more than interested, and quite
> surprised, to discover that their ancestor-ship is derived from a similarly
> sturdy black ancestor. Have you ever thought this might apply to you? No.
> Neither did they. How would you feel if it did apply to you?

Maybe it does. Infact I would be surprised if It didn't. The same
would probably also apply
to an indigenous Black African or North American Indian. But so what?

No doubt but
> that you would be fascinated to learn this and would apply yourself
> earnestly to discovering more about your heritage instead of just slagging
> off those who you feel are inferior to you.

Inferior? Never said anyone is inferior, did I?

Go for it Jonah! If it is too
> expensive for you then perhaps I can help organise a whip round or
> something.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

jonah@robbiekeane.zzn.com wrote:

<snipped> I'm from Ireland and the BNP have plenty of support here

Do try to get your facts right Robbie. You are from Ulster - certainly NOT
from Ireland. Silly boy! 

-- 
Bernadette

"Bernadette"  wrote in message 
news:XVsvk.52280$E41.49190@text.news.virginmedia.com...
> jonah@robbiekeane.zzn.com wrote:
>
> <snipped> I'm from Ireland and the BNP have plenty of support here
>
> Do try to get your facts right Robbie. You are from Ulster - certainly NOT
> from Ireland. Silly boy!
>
> -- 
> Bernadette

I suspect that he is not from Monaghan, Cavan or Donegal...possibly Norn 
Iron though.
Ruff.