On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:48:54 -0400, "William A. T. Clark"
 wrote:

>In article ,
> "Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 18:09:30 -0400, William Clark
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> >In article ,
>> > "Hal Ó Mearadhaigh."  wrote:
>> >
>> >> Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie> wrote:
>> >> > On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 20:50:42 +0100, "Sophistry Made Simple"
>> >> >  wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote in message
>> >> >> news:11ej941vq3qkclnk7t604293nbklqbpdf7@4ax.com...
>> >> >>> On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 02:38:45 +0100, "Sophistry Made Simple"
>> >> >>>  wrote:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> How old was he at the time?  How old will, say, Osama bin Laden
>> >> >>>> have to be before you think that they should stop searching for
>> >> >>>> him?
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> It's not his age (at the time that is at issue), but the amount of
>> >> >>> time that has
>> >> >>> passed since the alleged events took place...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Okey dokey, so bin Laden only has to wait it out and you'll be only
>> >> >> too happy to see him get the benefit of the doubt about his alleged
>> >> >> crimes, and retire into a happy old age under your moral protection.
>> >> >> You are all heart.
>> >> >
>> >> > Either your stupid (which I doubt) or your being a pranny!  Either
>> >> > way... You know damn well I'm talking about an event that happened 63
>> >> > or more years ago... What I'm questioning is the ability of ANYONE to
>> >> > mount a defence of some alleged incident back then...     That is why
>> >> > the whole idea of still hunting for "nazis" is now nothing more then
>> >> > revenge and not justice at all...
>> >> 
>> >> So? Revenge is good. What justice did the Germans give the Jews? What 
>> >> justice did the IRA give all their victims? No, revenge is good indeed! Do 
>> >> as you would be done by!
>> >
>> >Indeed, future generations need to see that there is NO stature of 
>> >limitations on this kind of horrendous genocide, absolutely none.
>> 
>> They already know this...  
>> 
>> >That 
>> >is how you prevent them from repeating this barbarism. 
>> 
>> What about Stalin?  What about Dresden?  Stalin killed 20 million people, and
>> Harris ordered Dresden when it was completly militarily useless...  Yet some 
>> say
>> 500 thousand people died in the wildfires...  Harris has statues to him...  
>> If
>> the Germans won the war would you want Harris dragged before a kangaroo court
>> and be executed for crimes against humanity?
>> 
>> >The civilized 
>> >world will have its "revenge" by giving these Nazi cowards no peace 
>> >until they pay for their crimes.
>> 
>> When did "revenge" and Bloodlust become words to use for "civilized"?
>> 
>> > Hunt them down until every last one of 
>> >the cowardly butchers has been brought to justice.
>> >
>> >William Clark
>> 
>> Even if there is no chance of a robust defense?
>> 
>> Ray
>> 
>> 
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>> We have our task, and God knows it is a hard one -- the salvage
>> of a shipwrecked world. - Lothrop Stoddard
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
>So you DO support the Nazis then, Ray, don't you? How do you feel about 
>the gas chambers, or do you think they never existed, just like you BNP 
>buddies?
>
>William Clark


You stupid socialist!  You've lost the argument and resort to calling me a
Nazi...  Very original!  <yawn>

Ray


---------------------------------------------------------------
We have our task, and God knows it is a hard one -- the salvage
of a shipwrecked world. - Lothrop Stoddard
---------------------------------------------------------------

In article ,
 "Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote:

> On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:48:54 -0400, "William A. T. Clark"
>  wrote:
> 
> >In article ,
> > "Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 18:09:30 -0400, William Clark
> >>  wrote:
> >> 
> >> >In article ,
> >> > "Hal Ó Mearadhaigh."  wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie> wrote:
> >> >> > On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 20:50:42 +0100, "Sophistry Made Simple"
> >> >> >  wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> "Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote in message
> >> >> >> news:11ej941vq3qkclnk7t604293nbklqbpdf7@4ax.com...
> >> >> >>> On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 02:38:45 +0100, "Sophistry Made Simple"
> >> >> >>>  wrote:
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> How old was he at the time?  How old will, say, Osama bin Laden
> >> >> >>>> have to be before you think that they should stop searching for
> >> >> >>>> him?
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> It's not his age (at the time that is at issue), but the amount of
> >> >> >>> time that has
> >> >> >>> passed since the alleged events took place...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Okey dokey, so bin Laden only has to wait it out and you'll be only
> >> >> >> too happy to see him get the benefit of the doubt about his alleged
> >> >> >> crimes, and retire into a happy old age under your moral protection.
> >> >> >> You are all heart.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Either your stupid (which I doubt) or your being a pranny!  Either
> >> >> > way... You know damn well I'm talking about an event that happened 63
> >> >> > or more years ago... What I'm questioning is the ability of ANYONE to
> >> >> > mount a defence of some alleged incident back then...     That is why
> >> >> > the whole idea of still hunting for "nazis" is now nothing more then
> >> >> > revenge and not justice at all...
> >> >> 
> >> >> So? Revenge is good. What justice did the Germans give the Jews? What 
> >> >> justice did the IRA give all their victims? No, revenge is good indeed! 
> >> >> Do 
> >> >> as you would be done by!
> >> >
> >> >Indeed, future generations need to see that there is NO stature of 
> >> >limitations on this kind of horrendous genocide, absolutely none.
> >> 
> >> They already know this...  
> >> 
> >> >That 
> >> >is how you prevent them from repeating this barbarism. 
> >> 
> >> What about Stalin?  What about Dresden?  Stalin killed 20 million people, 
> >> and
> >> Harris ordered Dresden when it was completly militarily useless...  Yet 
> >> some 
> >> say
> >> 500 thousand people died in the wildfires...  Harris has statues to him... 
> >>  
> >> If
> >> the Germans won the war would you want Harris dragged before a kangaroo 
> >> court
> >> and be executed for crimes against humanity?
> >> 
> >> >The civilized 
> >> >world will have its "revenge" by giving these Nazi cowards no peace 
> >> >until they pay for their crimes.
> >> 
> >> When did "revenge" and Bloodlust become words to use for "civilized"?
> >> 
> >> > Hunt them down until every last one of 
> >> >the cowardly butchers has been brought to justice.
> >> >
> >> >William Clark
> >> 
> >> Even if there is no chance of a robust defense?
> >> 
> >> Ray
> >> 
> >> 
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> >> We have our task, and God knows it is a hard one -- the salvage
> >> of a shipwrecked world. - Lothrop Stoddard
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >So you DO support the Nazis then, Ray, don't you? How do you feel about 
> >the gas chambers, or do you think they never existed, just like you BNP 
> >buddies?
> >
> >William Clark
> 
> 
> You stupid socialist!  You've lost the argument and resort to calling me a
> Nazi...  Very original!  <yawn>
> 
> Ray


Says he, once again evading the question directly put to him. If you 
could read and comprehend, you would see that I very clearly did NOT 
call you a Nazi, so your faux wounded dignity is just another sham. 

Do you believe there was a holocaust, then?

William Clark

On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:48:51 -0400, "William A. T. Clark"
 wrote:

>In article ,
> "Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:48:54 -0400, "William A. T. Clark"
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> >In article ,
>> > "Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 18:09:30 -0400, William Clark
>> >>  wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> >In article ,
>> >> > "Hal Ó Mearadhaigh."  wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie> wrote:
>> >> >> > On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 20:50:42 +0100, "Sophistry Made Simple"
>> >> >> >  wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> "Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote in message
>> >> >> >> news:11ej941vq3qkclnk7t604293nbklqbpdf7@4ax.com...
>> >> >> >>> On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 02:38:45 +0100, "Sophistry Made Simple"
>> >> >> >>>  wrote:
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>> How old was he at the time?  How old will, say, Osama bin Laden
>> >> >> >>>> have to be before you think that they should stop searching for
>> >> >> >>>> him?
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> It's not his age (at the time that is at issue), but the amount of
>> >> >> >>> time that has
>> >> >> >>> passed since the alleged events took place...
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Okey dokey, so bin Laden only has to wait it out and you'll be only
>> >> >> >> too happy to see him get the benefit of the doubt about his alleged
>> >> >> >> crimes, and retire into a happy old age under your moral protection.
>> >> >> >> You are all heart.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Either your stupid (which I doubt) or your being a pranny!  Either
>> >> >> > way... You know damn well I'm talking about an event that happened 63
>> >> >> > or more years ago... What I'm questioning is the ability of ANYONE to
>> >> >> > mount a defence of some alleged incident back then...     That is why
>> >> >> > the whole idea of still hunting for "nazis" is now nothing more then
>> >> >> > revenge and not justice at all...
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> So? Revenge is good. What justice did the Germans give the Jews? What 
>> >> >> justice did the IRA give all their victims? No, revenge is good indeed! 
>> >> >> Do 
>> >> >> as you would be done by!
>> >> >
>> >> >Indeed, future generations need to see that there is NO stature of 
>> >> >limitations on this kind of horrendous genocide, absolutely none.
>> >> 
>> >> They already know this...  
>> >> 
>> >> >That 
>> >> >is how you prevent them from repeating this barbarism. 
>> >> 
>> >> What about Stalin?  What about Dresden?  Stalin killed 20 million people, 
>> >> and
>> >> Harris ordered Dresden when it was completly militarily useless...  Yet 
>> >> some 
>> >> say
>> >> 500 thousand people died in the wildfires...  Harris has statues to him... 
>> >>  
>> >> If
>> >> the Germans won the war would you want Harris dragged before a kangaroo 
>> >> court
>> >> and be executed for crimes against humanity?
>> >> 
>> >> >The civilized 
>> >> >world will have its "revenge" by giving these Nazi cowards no peace 
>> >> >until they pay for their crimes.
>> >> 
>> >> When did "revenge" and Bloodlust become words to use for "civilized"?
>> >> 
>> >> > Hunt them down until every last one of 
>> >> >the cowardly butchers has been brought to justice.
>> >> >
>> >> >William Clark
>> >> 
>> >> Even if there is no chance of a robust defense?
>> >> 
>> >> Ray
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>> >> We have our task, and God knows it is a hard one -- the salvage
>> >> of a shipwrecked world. - Lothrop Stoddard
>> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>> >
>> >So you DO support the Nazis then, Ray, don't you? How do you feel about 
>> >the gas chambers, or do you think they never existed, just like you BNP 
>> >buddies?
>> >
>> >William Clark
>> 
>> 
>> You stupid socialist!  You've lost the argument and resort to calling me a
>> Nazi...  Very original!  <yawn>
>> 
>> Ray
>
>
>Says he, once again evading the question directly put to him. If you 
>could read and comprehend, you would see that I very clearly did NOT 
>call you a Nazi, so your faux wounded dignity is just another sham. 
>
>Do you believe there was a holocaust, then?

Do you?  And do define the extent of the Holocaust as you see it?

Ray


---------------------------------------------------------------
We have our task, and God knows it is a hard one -- the salvage
of a shipwrecked world. - Lothrop Stoddard
---------------------------------------------------------------

In article ,
 "Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote:

> On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:48:51 -0400, "William A. T. Clark"
>  wrote:
> 
> >In article ,
> > "Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:48:54 -0400, "William A. T. Clark"
> >>  wrote:
> >> 
> >> >In article ,
> >> > "Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 18:09:30 -0400, William Clark
> >> >>  wrote:
> >> >> 
> >> >> >In article ,
> >> >> > "Hal Ó Mearadhaigh."  wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie> wrote:
> >> >> >> > On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 20:50:42 +0100, "Sophistry Made Simple"
> >> >> >> >  wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> "Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote in message
> >> >> >> >> news:11ej941vq3qkclnk7t604293nbklqbpdf7@4ax.com...
> >> >> >> >>> On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 02:38:45 +0100, "Sophistry Made Simple"
> >> >> >> >>>  wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>> How old was he at the time?  How old will, say, Osama bin Laden
> >> >> >> >>>> have to be before you think that they should stop searching for
> >> >> >> >>>> him?
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> It's not his age (at the time that is at issue), but the amount 
> >> >> >> >>> of
> >> >> >> >>> time that has
> >> >> >> >>> passed since the alleged events took place...
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Okey dokey, so bin Laden only has to wait it out and you'll be 
> >> >> >> >> only
> >> >> >> >> too happy to see him get the benefit of the doubt about his 
> >> >> >> >> alleged
> >> >> >> >> crimes, and retire into a happy old age under your moral 
> >> >> >> >> protection.
> >> >> >> >> You are all heart.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Either your stupid (which I doubt) or your being a pranny!  Either
> >> >> >> > way... You know damn well I'm talking about an event that happened 
> >> >> >> > 63
> >> >> >> > or more years ago... What I'm questioning is the ability of ANYONE 
> >> >> >> > to
> >> >> >> > mount a defence of some alleged incident back then...     That is 
> >> >> >> > why
> >> >> >> > the whole idea of still hunting for "nazis" is now nothing more 
> >> >> >> > then
> >> >> >> > revenge and not justice at all...
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> So? Revenge is good. What justice did the Germans give the Jews? 
> >> >> >> What 
> >> >> >> justice did the IRA give all their victims? No, revenge is good 
> >> >> >> indeed! 
> >> >> >> Do 
> >> >> >> as you would be done by!
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Indeed, future generations need to see that there is NO stature of 
> >> >> >limitations on this kind of horrendous genocide, absolutely none.
> >> >> 
> >> >> They already know this...  
> >> >> 
> >> >> >That 
> >> >> >is how you prevent them from repeating this barbarism. 
> >> >> 
> >> >> What about Stalin?  What about Dresden?  Stalin killed 20 million 
> >> >> people, 
> >> >> and
> >> >> Harris ordered Dresden when it was completly militarily useless...  Yet 
> >> >> some 
> >> >> say
> >> >> 500 thousand people died in the wildfires...  Harris has statues to 
> >> >> him... 
> >> >>  
> >> >> If
> >> >> the Germans won the war would you want Harris dragged before a kangaroo 
> >> >> court
> >> >> and be executed for crimes against humanity?
> >> >> 
> >> >> >The civilized 
> >> >> >world will have its "revenge" by giving these Nazi cowards no peace 
> >> >> >until they pay for their crimes.
> >> >> 
> >> >> When did "revenge" and Bloodlust become words to use for "civilized"?
> >> >> 
> >> >> > Hunt them down until every last one of 
> >> >> >the cowardly butchers has been brought to justice.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >William Clark
> >> >> 
> >> >> Even if there is no chance of a robust defense?
> >> >> 
> >> >> Ray
> >> >> 
> >> >> 
> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >> We have our task, and God knows it is a hard one -- the salvage
> >> >> of a shipwrecked world. - Lothrop Stoddard
> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >
> >> >So you DO support the Nazis then, Ray, don't you? How do you feel about 
> >> >the gas chambers, or do you think they never existed, just like you BNP 
> >> >buddies?
> >> >
> >> >William Clark
> >> 
> >> 
> >> You stupid socialist!  You've lost the argument and resort to calling me a
> >> Nazi...  Very original!  <yawn>
> >> 
> >> Ray
> >
> >
> >Says he, once again evading the question directly put to him. If you 
> >could read and comprehend, you would see that I very clearly did NOT 
> >call you a Nazi, so your faux wounded dignity is just another sham. 
> >
> >Do you believe there was a holocaust, then?
> 
> Do you?  And do define the extent of the Holocaust as you see it?
> 
> Ray
> 
Still slippery as ever, he refuses to answer the question yet again. 
Since my father was involved in liberating some of the concentration 
camps as WWII came to an end, the answer is "absolutely".

Now, just answer the question - do you deny their scale and/or existence?

Just so we all know.

William Clark

"Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote in
news:8gj3a4la97r6ien171rf2rhr9e1lll81fo@4ax.com: 

> On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:48:51 -0400, "William A. T. Clark"
>  wrote:

>>Do you believe there was a holocaust, then?
> 
> Do you?  And do define the extent of the Holocaust as you see it?

William, you might want to look at some of the stuff posted by "Ray 
Hourigan" in this newsgroup (SCI), maybe about 10 years back. That's our 
Raymond. It's not pretty, and I for one don't think the man has changed 
much (although he does seem to hit the gutrot a lot more).

In article ,
 Ilas  wrote:

> "Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote in
> news:8gj3a4la97r6ien171rf2rhr9e1lll81fo@4ax.com: 
> 
> > On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:48:51 -0400, "William A. T. Clark"
> >  wrote:
> 
> >>Do you believe there was a holocaust, then?
> > 
> > Do you?  And do define the extent of the Holocaust as you see it?
> 
> William, you might want to look at some of the stuff posted by "Ray 
> Hourigan" in this newsgroup (SCI), maybe about 10 years back. That's our 
> Raymond. It's not pretty, and I for one don't think the man has changed 
> much (although he does seem to hit the gutrot a lot more). 

Indeed, although I don't think it is necessary to go back ten years to 
expose Ray's Nazi tendencies. Just watch him wriggle out of answering 
this direct question, and you have your answer.

QED,

William Clark

On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:55:05 -0400, "William A. T. Clark"
 wrote:

>In article ,
> "Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:48:51 -0400, "William A. T. Clark"
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> >In article ,
>> > "Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:48:54 -0400, "William A. T. Clark"
>> >>  wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> >In article ,
>> >> > "Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 18:09:30 -0400, William Clark
>> >> >>  wrote:
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> >In article ,
>> >> >> > "Hal Ó Mearadhaigh."  wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie> wrote:
>> >> >> >> > On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 20:50:42 +0100, "Sophistry Made Simple"
>> >> >> >> >  wrote:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> "Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote in message
>> >> >> >> >> news:11ej941vq3qkclnk7t604293nbklqbpdf7@4ax.com...
>> >> >> >> >>> On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 02:38:45 +0100, "Sophistry Made Simple"
>> >> >> >> >>>  wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>> How old was he at the time?  How old will, say, Osama bin Laden
>> >> >> >> >>>> have to be before you think that they should stop searching for
>> >> >> >> >>>> him?
>> >> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >>> It's not his age (at the time that is at issue), but the amount 
>> >> >> >> >>> of
>> >> >> >> >>> time that has
>> >> >> >> >>> passed since the alleged events took place...
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Okey dokey, so bin Laden only has to wait it out and you'll be 
>> >> >> >> >> only
>> >> >> >> >> too happy to see him get the benefit of the doubt about his 
>> >> >> >> >> alleged
>> >> >> >> >> crimes, and retire into a happy old age under your moral 
>> >> >> >> >> protection.
>> >> >> >> >> You are all heart.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Either your stupid (which I doubt) or your being a pranny!  Either
>> >> >> >> > way... You know damn well I'm talking about an event that happened 
>> >> >> >> > 63
>> >> >> >> > or more years ago... What I'm questioning is the ability of ANYONE 
>> >> >> >> > to
>> >> >> >> > mount a defence of some alleged incident back then...     That is 
>> >> >> >> > why
>> >> >> >> > the whole idea of still hunting for "nazis" is now nothing more 
>> >> >> >> > then
>> >> >> >> > revenge and not justice at all...
>> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> So? Revenge is good. What justice did the Germans give the Jews? 
>> >> >> >> What 
>> >> >> >> justice did the IRA give all their victims? No, revenge is good 
>> >> >> >> indeed! 
>> >> >> >> Do 
>> >> >> >> as you would be done by!
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Indeed, future generations need to see that there is NO stature of 
>> >> >> >limitations on this kind of horrendous genocide, absolutely none.
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> They already know this...  
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> >That 
>> >> >> >is how you prevent them from repeating this barbarism. 
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> What about Stalin?  What about Dresden?  Stalin killed 20 million 
>> >> >> people, 
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> Harris ordered Dresden when it was completly militarily useless...  Yet 
>> >> >> some 
>> >> >> say
>> >> >> 500 thousand people died in the wildfires...  Harris has statues to 
>> >> >> him... 
>> >> >>  
>> >> >> If
>> >> >> the Germans won the war would you want Harris dragged before a kangaroo 
>> >> >> court
>> >> >> and be executed for crimes against humanity?
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> >The civilized 
>> >> >> >world will have its "revenge" by giving these Nazi cowards no peace 
>> >> >> >until they pay for their crimes.
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> When did "revenge" and Bloodlust become words to use for "civilized"?
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> > Hunt them down until every last one of 
>> >> >> >the cowardly butchers has been brought to justice.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >William Clark
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> Even if there is no chance of a robust defense?
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> Ray
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>> >> >> We have our task, and God knows it is a hard one -- the salvage
>> >> >> of a shipwrecked world. - Lothrop Stoddard
>> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>> >> >
>> >> >So you DO support the Nazis then, Ray, don't you? How do you feel about 
>> >> >the gas chambers, or do you think they never existed, just like you BNP 
>> >> >buddies?
>> >> >
>> >> >William Clark
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> You stupid socialist!  You've lost the argument and resort to calling me a
>> >> Nazi...  Very original!  <yawn>
>> >> 
>> >> Ray
>> >
>> >
>> >Says he, once again evading the question directly put to him. If you 
>> >could read and comprehend, you would see that I very clearly did NOT 
>> >call you a Nazi, so your faux wounded dignity is just another sham. 
>> >
>> >Do you believe there was a holocaust, then?
>> 
>> Do you?  And do define the extent of the Holocaust as you see it?
>> 
>> Ray
>> 
>Still slippery as ever, he refuses to answer the question yet again. 
>Since my father was involved in liberating some of the concentration 
>camps as WWII came to an end, the answer is "absolutely".
>
>Now, just answer the question - do you deny their scale and/or existence?
>
>Just so we all know.
>
>William Clark

You are even more slippery as you avoided the direct questions I put to you... 

Now, burn down the straw man and engage the facts...  And answer the questions!

Ray


---------------------------------------------------------------
We have our task, and God knows it is a hard one -- the salvage
of a shipwrecked world. - Lothrop Stoddard
---------------------------------------------------------------

On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 10:06:34 -0400, "William A. T. Clark"
 wrote:

>In article ,
> Ilas  wrote:
>
>> "Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote in
>> news:8gj3a4la97r6ien171rf2rhr9e1lll81fo@4ax.com: 
>> 
>> > On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:48:51 -0400, "William A. T. Clark"
>> >  wrote:
>> 
>> >>Do you believe there was a holocaust, then?
>> > 
>> > Do you?  And do define the extent of the Holocaust as you see it?
>> 
>> William, you might want to look at some of the stuff posted by "Ray 
>> Hourigan" in this newsgroup (SCI), maybe about 10 years back. That's our 
>> Raymond. It's not pretty, and I for one don't think the man has changed 
>> much (although he does seem to hit the gutrot a lot more). 
>
>Indeed, although I don't think it is necessary to go back ten years to 
>expose Ray's Nazi tendencies. Just watch him wriggle out of answering 
>this direct question, and you have your answer.
>
>QED,
>
>William Clark

Your so sad... I almost feel pity... But then I remember your just a stupid
liberal, and I laugh!

Ray


---------------------------------------------------------------
We have our task, and God knows it is a hard one -- the salvage
of a shipwrecked world. - Lothrop Stoddard
---------------------------------------------------------------

In article ,
 "Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote:

> On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 10:06:34 -0400, "William A. T. Clark"
>  wrote:
> 
> >In article ,
> > Ilas  wrote:
> >
> >> "Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote in
> >> news:8gj3a4la97r6ien171rf2rhr9e1lll81fo@4ax.com: 
> >> 
> >> > On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:48:51 -0400, "William A. T. Clark"
> >> >  wrote:
> >> 
> >> >>Do you believe there was a holocaust, then?
> >> > 
> >> > Do you?  And do define the extent of the Holocaust as you see it?
> >> 
> >> William, you might want to look at some of the stuff posted by "Ray 
> >> Hourigan" in this newsgroup (SCI), maybe about 10 years back. That's our 
> >> Raymond. It's not pretty, and I for one don't think the man has changed 
> >> much (although he does seem to hit the gutrot a lot more). 
> >
> >Indeed, although I don't think it is necessary to go back ten years to 
> >expose Ray's Nazi tendencies. Just watch him wriggle out of answering 
> >this direct question, and you have your answer.
> >
> >QED,
> >
> >William Clark
> 
> Your so sad... I almost feel pity... But then I remember your just a stupid
> liberal, and I laugh!
> 
> Ray
> 

Nice try, Ray, but everyone in the world can see you trying desperately 
to wriggle out of answering a direct question. . . .yet again.

Here's the question one more time - "Do you believe there was a 
holocaust, then?"

Straight answer, please.

William Clark

In article ,
 "Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote:

> On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:55:05 -0400, "William A. T. Clark"
>  wrote:
> 
> >In article ,
> > "Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:48:51 -0400, "William A. T. Clark"
> >>  wrote:
> >> 
> >> >In article ,
> >> > "Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:48:54 -0400, "William A. T. Clark"
> >> >>  wrote:
> >> >> 
> >> >> >In article ,
> >> >> > "Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 18:09:30 -0400, William Clark
> >> >> >>  wrote:
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> >In article ,
> >> >> >> > "Hal Ó Mearadhaigh."  wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> > On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 20:50:42 +0100, "Sophistry Made Simple"
> >> >> >> >> >  wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> "Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote in message
> >> >> >> >> >> news:11ej941vq3qkclnk7t604293nbklqbpdf7@4ax.com...
> >> >> >> >> >>> On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 02:38:45 +0100, "Sophistry Made Simple"
> >> >> >> >> >>>  wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >> >>>> How old was he at the time?  How old will, say, Osama bin 
> >> >> >> >> >>>> Laden
> >> >> >> >> >>>> have to be before you think that they should stop searching 
> >> >> >> >> >>>> for
> >> >> >> >> >>>> him?
> >> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >> >>> It's not his age (at the time that is at issue), but the 
> >> >> >> >> >>> amount 
> >> >> >> >> >>> of
> >> >> >> >> >>> time that has
> >> >> >> >> >>> passed since the alleged events took place...
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Okey dokey, so bin Laden only has to wait it out and you'll be 
> >> >> >> >> >> only
> >> >> >> >> >> too happy to see him get the benefit of the doubt about his 
> >> >> >> >> >> alleged
> >> >> >> >> >> crimes, and retire into a happy old age under your moral 
> >> >> >> >> >> protection.
> >> >> >> >> >> You are all heart.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Either your stupid (which I doubt) or your being a pranny!  
> >> >> >> >> > Either
> >> >> >> >> > way... You know damn well I'm talking about an event that 
> >> >> >> >> > happened 
> >> >> >> >> > 63
> >> >> >> >> > or more years ago... What I'm questioning is the ability of 
> >> >> >> >> > ANYONE 
> >> >> >> >> > to
> >> >> >> >> > mount a defence of some alleged incident back then...     That 
> >> >> >> >> > is 
> >> >> >> >> > why
> >> >> >> >> > the whole idea of still hunting for "nazis" is now nothing more 
> >> >> >> >> > then
> >> >> >> >> > revenge and not justice at all...
> >> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> >> So? Revenge is good. What justice did the Germans give the Jews? 
> >> >> >> >> What 
> >> >> >> >> justice did the IRA give all their victims? No, revenge is good 
> >> >> >> >> indeed! 
> >> >> >> >> Do 
> >> >> >> >> as you would be done by!
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Indeed, future generations need to see that there is NO stature of 
> >> >> >> >limitations on this kind of horrendous genocide, absolutely none.
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> They already know this...  
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> >That 
> >> >> >> >is how you prevent them from repeating this barbarism. 
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> What about Stalin?  What about Dresden?  Stalin killed 20 million 
> >> >> >> people, 
> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> Harris ordered Dresden when it was completly militarily useless...  
> >> >> >> Yet 
> >> >> >> some 
> >> >> >> say
> >> >> >> 500 thousand people died in the wildfires...  Harris has statues to 
> >> >> >> him... 
> >> >> >>  
> >> >> >> If
> >> >> >> the Germans won the war would you want Harris dragged before a 
> >> >> >> kangaroo 
> >> >> >> court
> >> >> >> and be executed for crimes against humanity?
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> >The civilized 
> >> >> >> >world will have its "revenge" by giving these Nazi cowards no peace 
> >> >> >> >until they pay for their crimes.
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> When did "revenge" and Bloodlust become words to use for 
> >> >> >> "civilized"?
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> > Hunt them down until every last one of 
> >> >> >> >the cowardly butchers has been brought to justice.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >William Clark
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> Even if there is no chance of a robust defense?
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> Ray
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >> >> We have our task, and God knows it is a hard one -- the salvage
> >> >> >> of a shipwrecked world. - Lothrop Stoddard
> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >> >
> >> >> >So you DO support the Nazis then, Ray, don't you? How do you feel 
> >> >> >about 
> >> >> >the gas chambers, or do you think they never existed, just like you 
> >> >> >BNP 
> >> >> >buddies?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >William Clark
> >> >> 
> >> >> 
> >> >> You stupid socialist!  You've lost the argument and resort to calling 
> >> >> me a
> >> >> Nazi...  Very original!  <yawn>
> >> >> 
> >> >> Ray
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Says he, once again evading the question directly put to him. If you 
> >> >could read and comprehend, you would see that I very clearly did NOT 
> >> >call you a Nazi, so your faux wounded dignity is just another sham. 
> >> >
> >> >Do you believe there was a holocaust, then?
> >> 
> >> Do you?  And do define the extent of the Holocaust as you see it?
> >> 
> >> Ray
> >> 
> >Still slippery as ever, he refuses to answer the question yet again. 
> >Since my father was involved in liberating some of the concentration 
> >camps as WWII came to an end, the answer is "absolutely".
> >
> >Now, just answer the question - do you deny their scale and/or existence?
> >
> >Just so we all know.
> >
> >William Clark
> 
> You are even more slippery as you avoided the direct questions I put to 
> you... 
> 
> Now, burn down the straw man and engage the facts...  And answer the 
> questions!
> 
> Ray
> 
No, Ray, HERE'S the question - "How do you feel about the gas chambers, 
or do you think they never existed, just like your BNP buddies?

That was the original question, which you have tried every dissemination 
known to man to avoid answering. So just answer it - now. No straw man, 
just a direct question seeking a direct answer.

William Clark

wrote in message 
news:5b0c7584-1fee-4868-9637-3ddb91aee9f4@79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com...
[...]

> Whilst the EU is quick to pass Holocaust Denial laws and to condemn
> 'nazism and racism', the EU has never demanded any ivestigations into
> the crimes of the Soviet Union, the Zionists in Palestine or the
> Communists either during or after the war.

It wasn't quick, it took more than ten years.

The law, agreed in 2007 by the 27 member states, made it an offence to 
incite violence or hatred against a person's race, color, religion, descent 
or national or ethnic origin and to condone or grossly trivialise crimes of 
genocide. As such it does not differentiate between parties to genocide, nor 
does it make denying the Holocaust or any other act of genocide, an offence 
unless "the conduct is carried out in a manner likely to incite violence or 
hatred".

Legally, that's not easy to prove. Most people do it because they're fucking 
stupid.

As for the EU demanding investigations, I'm not aware of it demanding and 
investigation into the Holocaust either, but the EU did agree that the 
European Commission would prepare a Green Paper on all 20th-century 
genocidal crimes and carry out a review of whether denying these should come 
under the scope of the race-hate law.

-- 
Falcon:
fide, sed cui vide. (L)
------------------------------

"Falcon"  wrote in message 
news:6gik9iFg10ktU1@mid.individual.net...
>
>
>  wrote in message 
> news:5b0c7584-1fee-4868-9637-3ddb91aee9f4@79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com...
> [...]
>
>> Whilst the EU is quick to pass Holocaust Denial laws and to condemn
>> 'nazism and racism', the EU has never demanded any ivestigations into
>> the crimes of the Soviet Union, the Zionists in Palestine or the
>> Communists either during or after the war.
>
> It wasn't quick, it took more than ten years.
>
> The law, agreed in 2007 by the 27 member states, made it an offence to 
> incite violence or hatred against a person's race, color, religion, 
> descent or national or ethnic origin and to condone or grossly trivialise 
> crimes of genocide. As such it does not differentiate between parties to 
> genocide, nor does it make denying the Holocaust or any other act of 
> genocide, an offence unless "the conduct is carried out in a manner likely 
> to incite violence or hatred".
>
> Legally, that's not easy to prove. Most people do it because they're 
> fucking stupid.
>
> As for the EU demanding investigations, I'm not aware of it demanding and 
> investigation into the Holocaust either, but the EU did agree that the 
> European Commission would prepare a Green Paper on all 20th-century 
> genocidal crimes and carry out a review of whether denying these should 
> come under the scope of the race-hate law.

By the way, there was no change as result of the agreement in Britain, where 
there are already penalties of up to seven years for inciting racial hatred 
under the Religious and Racial Hatred Act of 2006, which was used as a model 
for the final EU text.

-- 
Falcon:
fide, sed cui vide. (L)
------------------------------

jonah@robbiekeane.zzn.com wrote:
> On 14 Aug, 01:00, "William A. T. Clark" <cl...@nospammatsceng.ohio-
> state.edu> wrote:
>> In article ,
>> "Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:55:05 -0400, "William A. T. Clark"
>>>  wrote:
>>
>>>> In article ,
>>>> "Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote:
>>
>>>>> On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:48:51 -0400, "William A. T. Clark"
>>>>>  wrote:
>>
>>>>>> In article ,
>>>>>> "Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:48:54 -0400, "William A. T. Clark"
>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>> In article ,
>>>>>>>> "Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 18:09:30 -0400, William Clark
>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>>> In article ,
>>>>>>>>>> "Hal Ó Mearadhaigh."  wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 20:50:42 +0100, "Sophistry Made Simple"
>>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> message news:11ej941vq3qkclnk7t604293nbklqbpdf7@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 02:38:45 +0100, "Sophistry Made
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Simple"  wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How old was he at the time? How old will, say, Osama bin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Laden
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to be before you think that they should stop
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> searching for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> him?
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's not his age (at the time that is at issue), but the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amount
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time that has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> passed since the alleged events took place...
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Okey dokey, so bin Laden only has to wait it out and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you'll be only
>>>>>>>>>>>>> too happy to see him get the benefit of the doubt about
>>>>>>>>>>>>> his alleged
>>>>>>>>>>>>> crimes, and retire into a happy old age under your moral
>>>>>>>>>>>>> protection.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are all heart.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Either your stupid (which I doubt) or your being a pranny!
>>>>>>>>>>>> Either
>>>>>>>>>>>> way... You know damn well I'm talking about an event that
>>>>>>>>>>>> happened
>>>>>>>>>>>> 63
>>>>>>>>>>>> or more years ago... What I'm questioning is the ability of
>>>>>>>>>>>> ANYONE
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> mount a defence of some alleged incident back then... That
>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>> why
>>>>>>>>>>>> the whole idea of still hunting for "nazis" is now nothing
>>>>>>>>>>>> more then
>>>>>>>>>>>> revenge and not justice at all...
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So? Revenge is good. What justice did the Germans give the
>>>>>>>>>>> Jews? What
>>>>>>>>>>> justice did the IRA give all their victims? No, revenge is
>>>>>>>>>>> good indeed!
>>>>>>>>>>> Do
>>>>>>>>>>> as you would be done by!
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Indeed, future generations need to see that there is NO
>>>>>>>>>> stature of limitations on this kind of horrendous genocide,
>>>>>>>>>> absolutely none.
>>
>>>>>>>>> They already know this...
>>
>>>>>>>>>> That
>>>>>>>>>> is how you prevent them from repeating this barbarism.
>>
>>>>>>>>> What about Stalin? What about Dresden? Stalin killed 20
>>>>>>>>> million people,
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> Harris ordered Dresden when it was completly militarily
>>>>>>>>> useless... Yet
>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>> say
>>>>>>>>> 500 thousand people died in the wildfires... Harris has
>>>>>>>>> statues to him...
>>
>>>>>>>>> If
>>>>>>>>> the Germans won the war would you want Harris dragged before a
>>>>>>>>> kangaroo
>>>>>>>>> court
>>>>>>>>> and be executed for crimes against humanity?
>>
>>>>>>>>>> The civilized
>>>>>>>>>> world will have its "revenge" by giving these Nazi cowards
>>>>>>>>>> no peace until they pay for their crimes.
>>
>>>>>>>>> When did "revenge" and Bloodlust become words to use for
>>>>>>>>> "civilized"?
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hunt them down until every last one of
>>>>>>>>>> the cowardly butchers has been brought to justice.
>>
>>>>>>>>>> William Clark
>>
>>>>>>>>> Even if there is no chance of a robust defense?
>>
>>>>>>>>> Ray
>>
>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>> We have our task, and God knows it is a hard one -- the
>>>>>>>>> salvage of a shipwrecked world. - Lothrop Stoddard
>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>>>>>>> So you DO support the Nazis then, Ray, don't you? How do you
>>>>>>>> feel about
>>>>>>>> the gas chambers, or do you think they never existed, just
>>>>>>>> like you BNP
>>>>>>>> buddies?
>>
>>>>>>>> William Clark
>>
>>>>>>> You stupid socialist! You've lost the argument and resort to
>>>>>>> calling me a
>>>>>>> Nazi... Very original! <yawn>
>>
>>>>>>> Ray
>>
>>>>>> Says he, once again evading the question directly put to him. If
>>>>>> you could read and comprehend, you would see that I very clearly
>>>>>> did NOT call you a Nazi, so your faux wounded dignity is just
>>>>>> another sham.
>>
>>>>>> Do you believe there was a holocaust, then?
>>
>>>>> Do you? And do define the extent of the Holocaust as you see it?
>>
>>>>> Ray
>>
>>>> Still slippery as ever, he refuses to answer the question yet
>>>> again. Since my father was involved in liberating some of the
>>>> concentration camps as WWII came to an end, the answer is
>>>> "absolutely".
>>
>>>> Now, just answer the question - do you deny their scale and/or
>>>> existence?
>>
>>>> Just so we all know.
>>
>>>> William Clark
>>
>>> You are even more slippery as you avoided the direct questions I
>>> put to you...
>>
>>> Now, burn down the straw man and engage the facts... And answer the
>>> questions!
>>
>>> Ray
>>
>> No, Ray, HERE'S the question - "How do you feel about the gas
>> chambers, or do you think they never existed, just like
>> yourBNPbuddies?
>
> What's this idiotic mention of the BNP?

READ, and understand what he said! BNP Buddies??? No?

what do the BNP have to do
> with
> holocaust denial or turning a blind eye to crimes against humanity?

He didn't say, OR imply, anything of the kind.

>
> I think you will find that the views of of the BNP are that ALL those
> involved in
> crimes against humanity should be brought to justice, regardless of if
> they are Nazi
> or Communist crimes

I am sure you are right, but it wasn't the issue.
>
> This of course is contrary to the views of the lefty liberals and the
> criminals who run the
> EU who only think that only Nazi thugs can commit crimes against
> hunanity.

Really? Says who?

>
> Well of course they do, because you will find these very criminals
> deep at the political heart
> of the the EU and UK, as this article by the Lee Barnes shows:
>
> http://leejohnbarnes.blogspot.com/2008/07/victors-justice-and-war-crimes.html
>
> Victors Justice and War Crimes.
>
>
> For far too long the West has embraced collective amnesia over its
> past.
>
> Whilst it investigates and prosecutes those involved in crimes against
> humanity who fought for Germany and the Axis nations, those that lost
> the war, the victors of the war, the democracies of Europe have never
> investigated their own criminality and involvement in war crimes
> during the war.
>
> This is why the new investigation into the war crimes of Jewish
> partisans in Lithuania during the war is a long overdue victory for
> their restless dead.
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/crossing_continents/7508375.stm
>
> The prize of 'victors justice' is that the victor gets to write
> history and thereby defines who the criminals are, and who are not.

I notice you do not example the Palestinians and various other Muslim 
nations to have "their" war crimes investgated. - And what about the many 
outrages perpetrated by Republican Irish under the guise of the PIRA? 
Certainly war crimes!

>
> The victors seldom investigate their own crimes.

Why should they, they are victors!
>
> The sign of a healthy democracy is one that applies universal moral
> standards, not just against its enemies, but against itself.

Bullshit! WAR is NOT democratic. Democracy rules cannot apply.

>
> For far too long the mythos of our moral superiority has allowed us to
> escape objective self scrutiny, but the time has come now for to come
> clean about the past.

Far, FAR, too much PC here. The past is done, gone and good reddance to it. 
We should learn from it, but anything else is pure revenge after the event.

>
> The British government has spent 200 million pounds on investigating
> the events of Bloody Sunday, but it has never spent a penny
> investigating the crimes of Zionist terrorists against British
> civilians and soldiers in Palestine during and after the war.

£200 millions of totally wasted monies that would have built something 
usefull such as a hospital or gone into education. Totally wasted and no 
results!!
>
> Nor has the British government ever investigated those who were
> subsidised and funded by the Communist regimes of Europe, such as
> Arthur Scargill and also those politians who were members of those
> parties that supported the communist genocide, such as the Communist
> Party of Great Britain.

What is the point? More wasted monies!
>
> Today the Germans are not our enemy and nor are any other European
> nations, so therefore the time has come for our country to confront
> its own crimes committed during the war, and also to remedy our
> historical failure to investigate and prosecute the Communists who ran
> the death camps of the gulag archipeligo during the ear of the The
> Cold War.

Bullshit. The Germans still could not be trusted not to do the same thing 
again should another Hitler appear. Why do you think the Germans are so 
disliked as a nation by all the EU countries? Oh, and the Commiunists were 
victors, no? Fighting a war, no? Not democratic I think!

>
> If we are to demonstrate our comradeship with those nations such as
> Germany, then we must demonstrate our willingness to prosecute the
> criminals that still alive amongst us, and not just the criminals that
> still live amongst them.

So, why do they not prosecute "us" then? - Apart from the fact that those 
self same "criminals" are mostly long since dead, it would be a complete 
waste of good money.

>
> The time has come to tell the truth about the past and to cease
> peddling the facile propaganda that we, and our people, never
> committed any crimes during the war.

Nobody, SFAIK, has done any such thing.  What planet are you on?
>
> The murders of German prisoners of war in prison camps under British
> control, the deliberate starvation of german civilians and prisoners
> suspected of being nazi sympathisers and the crimes commited by
> British troops during the war must all be investigated.

EH?? In your imagination perhaps. No proof? Just your own opinion based on 
wishfull thinking?

>
> At the same time the crimes of those of all nations, including the
> Zionist terrorists of Irgun and the Stern Gang of Israel must be
> arrested for their crimes against British soldiers in Palestine.

What? They are guerrelas, not servicemen. They are all dead now any way. 
What a stupid suggestion.
>
> The SS officer who ordered the execution of surrendered British
> soldiers during the war is as much a war criminal as the Irgun gang
> terrorists who planted the bomb in the King David Hotel in Palestine
> ( where 91 people were killed, most of them staff of the hotel or
> Secretariat: 28 British citizens, 41 Arabs, 17 Jews, and 5 others )
> during their war against the British Empire to create Israel.

Most of these have already been tried and punished. Isn't that what 
Nurembourg was all about?
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing
>
> http://www.rense.com/general77/truman.htm
>
> http://www.britains-smallwars.com/Palestine/kidnap.htm
>
> Whilst the EU is quick to pass Holocaust Denial laws and to condemn
> 'nazism and racism', the EU has never demanded any ivestigations into
> the crimes of the Soviet Union, the Zionists in Palestine or the
> Communists either during or after the war.

Fat lot of good that would do! Never going to happen!

>
> This is because many of the EU politicians, and UK ones like Jack
> Straw, were working for and members of the Communist Parties of Europe
> at that time when the death camps of the gulags were eradicating
> innocent people in their tens of millions.
>

......."SNIP of endless rant".............

I have seldom heard of such impractical suggestions all posted so lengthily 
in one post! A good precis should be short and to the point, not an endless 
rant!

-- 
Hal Ó Mearadhaigh.

(Glac bóg an saol agus glacfaidh an saol bóg thú).

"William A. T. Clark"  wrote in message 
news:clark-A5A2C3.19574813082008@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
> In article ,
> "Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 10:06:34 -0400, "William A. T. Clark"
>>  wrote:
>>
>> >In article ,
>> > Ilas  wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Whitewolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote in
>> >> news:8gj3a4la97r6ien171rf2rhr9e1lll81fo@4ax.com:
>> >>
>> >> > On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:48:51 -0400, "William A. T. Clark"
>> >> >  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >>Do you believe there was a holocaust, then?
>> >> >
>> >> > Do you?  And do define the extent of the Holocaust as you see it?
>> >>
>> >> William, you might want to look at some of the stuff posted by "Ray
>> >> Hourigan" in this newsgroup (SCI), maybe about 10 years back. That's 
>> >> our
>> >> Raymond. It's not pretty, and I for one don't think the man has 
>> >> changed
>> >> much (although he does seem to hit the gutrot a lot more).
>> >
>> >Indeed, although I don't think it is necessary to go back ten years to
>> >expose Ray's Nazi tendencies. Just watch him wriggle out of answering
>> >this direct question, and you have your answer.
>> >
>> >QED,
>> >
>> >William Clark
>>
>> Your so sad... I almost feel pity... But then I remember your just a 
>> stupid
>> liberal, and I laugh!
>>
>> Ray
>>
>
> Nice try, Ray, but everyone in the world can see you trying desperately
> to wriggle out of answering a direct question. . . .yet again.
>
> Here's the question one more time - "Do you believe there was a
> holocaust, then?"
>
ray wouldnt know a straight answer if it hit it him in the face.
All ray is capable of is cut and paste, so Im afraid William, you aint going 
to get no straight answer.
> Straight answer, please.


>
> William Clark

wrote in message
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> On 14 Aug, 12:46, "Falcon"  wrote:
>>  wrote in message
>>
>> news:5b0c7584-1fee-4868-9637-3ddb91aee9f4@79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com...
>> [...]
>>
>> > Whilst the EU is quick to pass Holocaust Denial laws and to condemn
>> > 'nazism and racism', the EU has never demanded any ivestigations into
>> > the crimes of the Soviet Union, the Zionists in Palestine or the
>> > Communists either during or after the war.
>>
>> It wasn't quick, it took more than ten years.
>
> Super quick when compared to the laws past condemning the communist
> crimes of mass murder. Which have not been
> past, and willl never likely to be.

"Which has not been past.." ?

I wonder at what point a kill-file bloated with the names of illiterate
xenophobic morons begins to affect the smooth operation of a computer?
Time to find out.

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Falcon:
fide, sed cui vide. (L)
Wayne Bland, Royal Signals [1987-2008]
http://xrl.us/onkvu (Link to www.mod.uk)
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