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date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 06:01:36 -0800,    group: uk.current-events.n-ireland        back       
Re: Inaccuracies in Al Gore's An Inconvenient Truth   
On 8 Nov, 13:20, "William A. T. Clark"  wrote:
> In article ,
>
>
>
>
>
>  freeireland  wrote:
> > On 7 Nov, 21:46, "William A. T. Clark"  wrote:
> > > In article ,
>
> > >  freeireland  wrote:
> > > > On 7 Nov, 14:25, "William A. T. Clark"  wrote:
> > > > > In article ,
> > > > > > > OK, so it is settled. There is no such site, unless you are taking
> > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > "Student"s"" Review. That totally worthless chat forum contains
> > > > > > > five
> > > > > > > negative comments about OSU, compared to over 70 positive ones.
> > > > > > > FIVE
> > > > > > > negative one - do you have a clue how many students there are on
> > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > campus, and what fraction FIVE represents? There is no URL in
> > > > > > > existence,
> > > > > > > and you made the post up just to denigrate an institution you know
> > > > > > > absolutely nothing about (and cannot even distinguish from Ohio
> > > > > > > University). You are, pure and simple, a bare faced liar. Case
> > > > > > > proven
> > > > > > > and closed.
>
> > > > > > Typing "Student Review" into google puts the web site top of the
> > > > > > list.  If you searched even for the first line of the quote I made it
> > > > > > would have brought you directly to the post in question.
>
> > > > > > Finally here is the link to the post since you are incapable of
> > > > > > finding it. Now I ask you to retract your comment "There is no URL in
> > > > > > existence, and you made the post up just to denigrate an institution
> > > > > > you know absolutely nothing about (and cannot even distinguish from
> > > > > > Ohio  University). You are, pure and simple, a bare faced liar. Case
> > > > > > proven and closed". Yet more wild accusations based on assumptions.
>
> > > > > >http://www.studentsreview.com/OH/OSUCcomments.html?page=2&d
> > > > > >school=O...
> > > > > > te%20University%20Columbus
>
> > > > > Oh, I've seen the quote - didn't you even read the paragraph above that
> > > > > refers to it? Obviously not. Good, well you finally found it, although
> > > > > I
> > > > > see why you were reluctant to do so, since there are close to 80
> > > > > positive comments and only five negative ones. Hardly convincing
> > > > > evidence for your case, even if you believe that such unregulated chat
> > > > > forums are of any real value in measuring anything. Apparently you do.
> > > > > It is also the case that write was not an ME major, but in the Business
> > > > > School.
>
> > > > > Right below this idiots incorrect remarks, is this one, form another
> > > > > Business major:
>
> > > > > "I can not think of any other place that is more ideal for a college
> > > > > education. Ohio State has offered me unboundless opportunities on a
> > > > > beautiful campus, in a great city. I have not met (nor heard of) one
> > > > > student that dislikes going here. Each and every one of the students
> > > > > here is incredibly friendly and approachable. Even though the students
> > > > > are aplenty, the class sizes remain small (only one or two major
> > > > > lecture
> > > > > classes in first year). The academics are stimulating and interesting,
> > > > > something I did not especially expect coming into a university of this
> > > > > size. Ohio State offers incredible academic support...I have never gone
> > > > > into a class not understanding any of the material. The professors here
> > > > > are top-notch and truly care about their students.
>
> > > > > The school spirit here and the tradition are contagious, as people are
> > > > > overflowing with spirit for the Buckeyes. The athletic programs are
> > > > > great, with a beautiful RPAC (recreation center) and a newly built
> > > > > McCorkle Aquatic Center. The Horseshoe is one of the most exciting
> > > > > venues in all of college football. With everything that this school has
> > > > > to offer both inside and outside the classroom, I cannot fathom any
> > > > > parent who would be ashamed if their child chose to attend The Ohio
> > > > > State University, one of the fastest rising and finest universities
> > > > > this
> > > > > country has to offer. This truly is a special place."
>
> > > > > Game. set, and match.
>
> > > > "There is no URL in existence, and you made the post up just to
> > > > denigrate an institution you know absolutely nothing about (and cannot
> > > > even distinguish from
> > > > Ohio  University). You are, pure and simple, a bare faced liar. Case
> > > > proven and closed".
>
> > > > Clearly you now even admitt the post exists so now please retract your
> > > > statement calling me a bare faced liar and that I made it up. Yet
> > > > another example of you making clearly incorrect statements.
>
> > > >  "You had a prime chance to put a case forward to show how good Ohio
> > > > State University is though instead revert to childish name calling
> > > > about some person you
> > > > clearly know nothing about. Clearly a associate Dean would have more
> > > > intelligence and not be so obtuse." - ME
>
> > > > Thank you for proving a point I made a long time ago.
>
> > > Indeed, it took all that effort to force you to post the URL, when most
> > > people include it immediately. As it happens, there was clearly a reason
> > > you were reluctant to do so - your miserable "quote" was overwhelmed by
> > > the positive ones on that forum, and so showing the URL totally deflates
> > > your petty insults on the university. Too bad for you, but at least you
> > > might have learned the difference between Ohio University and The Ohio
> > > State University, si it was not a total loss for you.
>
> > > By the way, what do you think of the other student's view that I posted?
> > > Sounds like OSU didn't lose anything when your lone, and ill informed,
> > > malcontent transferred.
>
> > Again I ask you to retract your wild and clearly incorrect accusation
> > "There is no URL in existence, and you made the post up just to
> > denigrate an institution you know absolutely nothing about (and cannot
> > even distinguish from Ohio  University). You are, pure and simple, a
> > bare faced liar. Case proven and closed".
>
> Oh, we are playing the "hurt and insulted" card now, are we? Look, you
> refused to provide this URL until you were backed into this corner, and
> now you want an "apology"? In your dreams. Now, instead of blathering on
> about how offended you are, how about YOU retracting your insults heaped
> on an institution you know nothing about, beyond what you dredged up on
> Google? How about responding to this comment, which you have taken great
> pains to ignore, form a student clearly far ore academically able (by
> their own description) than the inaccurate absurdity you hung your hat
> on?


Again I ask you to retract your wild and clearly incorrect accusation
"There is no URL in existence, and you made the post up just to
denigrate an institution you know absolutely nothing about (and
cannot
even distinguish from Ohio  University). You are, pure and simple, a
bare faced liar. Case proven and closed".

There is a URL in existence, I did not make the post up and clearly
you do not have the integrity to correct yet another wild accusation.
If you where the associate dean in any university this would be more
of a slur on that institution than I ever could even if I wanted to.



>
> Here it is:
>
> "I can not think of any other place that is more ideal for a college
> education. Ohio State has offered me unboundless opportunities on a
> beautiful campus, in a great city. I have not met (nor heard of) one
> student that dislikes going here. Each and every one of the students
> here is incredibly friendly and approachable. Even though the students
> are aplenty, the class sizes remain small (only one or two major lecture
> classes in first year). The academics are stimulating and interesting,
> something I did not especially expect coming into a university of this
> size. Ohio State offers incredible academic support...I have never gone
> into a class not understanding any of the material. The professors here
> are top-notch and truly care about their students.
>
> The school spirit here and the tradition are contagious, as people are
> overflowing with spirit for the Buckeyes. The athletic programs are
> great, with a beautiful RPAC (recreation center) and a newly built
> McCorkle Aquatic Center. The Horseshoe is one of the most exciting
> venues in all of college football. With everything that this school has
> to offer both inside and outside the classroom, I cannot fathom any
> parent who would be ashamed if their child chose to attend The Ohio
> State University, one of the fastest rising and finest universities
> this country has to offer. This truly is a special place."
>
> I await your comments on this statement with interest.
>
>

I find it really amusing that your quoting from a website that you
yourself claimed was a "totally worthless chat forum".  So tell me
what is it a totally worthless chat forum or not?

Though this is just another example of trying to avoid correcting yet
another wild incorrect accusation based on nohing but assumption.

>
>
>
>
>
> > > > > > Then why did you make a foolish wager you cannot win?
>
> > > > > The wager is already won - it's getting you to pay up that is the
> > > > > problem.
>
> > > > Remind me have you proven your identidy never mind that you went to
> > > > Oxford?
>
> > > I prove it to myself every day. I prove it to every financial and
> > > governmental institution you can name, to their satisfaction, every day.
> > > You, on the other hand, seem to want to hold to a higher, nay absurd,
> > > standard. I assume this is like not wanting to publish that URL - once
> > > you accept any reasonable proof of identity, the MDA will be $100
> > > richer. Too bad for you.
>
> > Maybe then you should try and make a wager with every financial and
> > governmental institution I can name or with yourself. You have have
> > not provided any proof of identity which cannot be faked especially on
> > a forum like this. You have had ample time to do so and have failed.
> > Now back up your foolish wager and donate $100 to the Foyle Hospice as
> > your squirming is now becoming dull.
>
> More weaseling and welshing. Still wriggling as hard as you can go.
> Pretty funny from here, I must say.
>
> Once again, give me a URL for "Marty's" web site, and we will start the
> "identity" process. The MDA needs the money for sick children. Otherwise
> just admit you were wrong, apologize, and get on with your life.
>

Who said Marty has a web site. What makes you think I would give you
his contact details when I will not give you my own!

Who makes a wager without defining any winning conditions, something
pointed out by me a while ago. Its clear you cannot even prove your
identity never mind anything else so to make a wager that depends on
it was foolish.

I have now shown you making spelling errors and making wild
accusations about grammar that are simply incorrect. Clearly you are
no expert on grammar. I have also shown the length you are willing to
go to save what little credibility you have left, from childish name
calling, racial insults to thinly veiled threats.  You do not even
have the integrity to retract wild accusations that you made which
have now been proven wrong.



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date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 06:01:36 -0800   author:   freeireland

Re: Inaccuracies in Al Gore's An Inconvenient Truth   
In article ,
 freeireland  wrote:

> On 13 Nov, 00:35, "William A. T. Clark" <clarknos...@masceng.ohio-
> state.edu> wrote:
> > In article ,
> >
> >  freeireland  wrote:
> >
childish drivel snipped
> >
> > > > No "terms", just facts. You made a statement, reiterated it when
> > > > challenged, and did not have the common decency to withdraw it when 
> > > > $100
> > > > was offered. You lose - you are just not man enough to admit it.
> > > > However, if you give me a way to contact "Marty the solicitor", I can
> > > > give him everything he needs. Either that, or retract (or simply crawl
> > > > off into the night).
> >
> > > > William Clark
> >
> > > I have not or ever made any obligation to give you anyones contact
> > > details on this forum and it certainly was not part of any wager so
> > > stop hidding behind that excuse and simply show me the terms of the
> > > wager that show you as winning?
> >
> > I am not "hidding" behind any excuse. You constantly move the goal posts
> > to try to wriggle out of your blunder.
> >
> > Either give me Marty's web site, or else you have lied about him, too.
> >
> > Yawn.
> >
> > William CLark- Hide quoted text -
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> 
> So when have I told you Marty had a web site? More slur? Your mouth is
> in gear though your brain is in neutral.

If "Marty" was a solicitor of anything other than the local bar, he 
would have a business connected web site. Apparently he doesn't, ergo I 
propose that he is not, therefore, a "solicitor". Prove me wrong.
> 
More irrelevant garbage snipped.

What has this to do with anything? we are talking about your reiterated 
claim about my academic qualifications. Period. That on 
> 
> What terms of the wager show you as having you won? Why can't you
> simply answer this?

Nice try to move the goal posts again. It just doesn't work, I'm afraid. 
So, pay up, or retract. 

End of story.

William Clark
date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 23:16:45 -0500   author:   William A. T. Clark

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