On 7 Nov, 14:25, "William A. T. Clark"  wrote:
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>  freeireland  wrote:
> > On 7 Nov, 00:51, "William A. T. Clark" <clarknos...@masceng.ohio-
> > state.edu> wrote:
> > > In article ,
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> > >  freeireland  wrote:
> > > > On 6 Nov, 17:54, "William A. T. Clark"  wrote:
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> > > > > > > > You also believed it was about another university. I have already
> > > > > > > > posted the web site I quoted from and the quote is in its full
> > > > > > > > context.
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> > > > > > > No, you didn't know the difference between Ohio University and The
> > > > > > > Ohio
> > > > > > > State University - that was the problem, and it was all yours. Now,
> > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > have NOT posted the web site, in my opinion because it does not
> > > > > > > exist
> > > > > > > outside your imagination. If it does, then post the URL and we can
> > > > > > > all
> > > > > > > look at it. Otherwise own up to the fact that this is a complete
> > > > > > > fabrication, and you have been caught in a lie. Why am I not
> > > > > > > surprised?
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> > > > > > Yawn, I have named the site and the quote is clearly in regards to
> > > > > > OSU. I don't care if you think its a fabrication and the quote is
> > > > > > available on the website I named previously for all wh are interested
> > > > > > to go and look at.
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> > > > > No, you have not "named" any website for this quotation. You, of
> > > > > course,
> > > > > will not give a traceable reference because this particular "quotation"
> > > > > is something you made up (or else refers to Ohio University). I'm not
> > > > > surprised you will not give it, given the magnitude of the gaffe you
> > > > > made. Too bad for you.
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> > > > "Well I have told you the name of the site and its "Student Review"
> > > > and
> > > > thats only a sample."
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> > > > This is me clearly naming the web site last week and clearly the quote
> > > > refers to OSU and the elevator incident.
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> > > > Please now have the denceny to retract your statement "No, you have
> > > > not 'named' any website for this quotation".
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> > > OK, so it is settled. There is no such site, unless you are taking about
> > > "Student"s"" Review. That totally worthless chat forum contains five
> > > negative comments about OSU, compared to over 70 positive ones. FIVE
> > > negative one - do you have a clue how many students there are on this
> > > campus, and what fraction FIVE represents? There is no URL in existence,
> > > and you made the post up just to denigrate an institution you know
> > > absolutely nothing about (and cannot even distinguish from Ohio
> > > University). You are, pure and simple, a bare faced liar. Case proven
> > > and closed.
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> > Typing "Student Review" into google puts the web site top of the
> > list.  If you searched even for the first line of the quote I made it
> > would have brought you directly to the post in question.
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> > Finally here is the link to the post since you are incapable of
> > finding it. Now I ask you to retract your comment "There is no URL in
> > existence, and you made the post up just to denigrate an institution
> > you know absolutely nothing about (and cannot even distinguish from
> > Ohio  University). You are, pure and simple, a bare faced liar. Case
> > proven and closed". Yet more wild accusations based on assumptions.
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> >http://www.studentsreview.com/OH/OSUC_comments.html?page=2&d_school=O...
> > te%20University%20Columbus
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> Oh, I've seen the quote - didn't you even read the paragraph above that
> refers to it? Obviously not. Good, well you finally found it, although I
> see why you were reluctant to do so, since there are close to 80
> positive comments and only five negative ones. Hardly convincing
> evidence for your case, even if you believe that such unregulated chat
> forums are of any real value in measuring anything. Apparently you do.
> It is also the case that write was not an ME major, but in the Business
> School.
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> Right below this idiots incorrect remarks, is this one, form another
> Business major:
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> "I can not think of any other place that is more ideal for a college
> education. Ohio State has offered me unboundless opportunities on a
> beautiful campus, in a great city. I have not met (nor heard of) one
> student that dislikes going here. Each and every one of the students
> here is incredibly friendly and approachable. Even though the students
> are aplenty, the class sizes remain small (only one or two major lecture
> classes in first year). The academics are stimulating and interesting,
> something I did not especially expect coming into a university of this
> size. Ohio State offers incredible academic support...I have never gone
> into a class not understanding any of the material. The professors here
> are top-notch and truly care about their students.
>
> The school spirit here and the tradition are contagious, as people are
> overflowing with spirit for the Buckeyes. The athletic programs are
> great, with a beautiful RPAC (recreation center) and a newly built
> McCorkle Aquatic Center. The Horseshoe is one of the most exciting
> venues in all of college football. With everything that this school has
> to offer both inside and outside the classroom, I cannot fathom any
> parent who would be ashamed if their child chose to attend The Ohio
> State University, one of the fastest rising and finest universities this
> country has to offer. This truly is a special place."
>
> Game. set, and match.

"There is no URL in existence, and you made the post up just to
denigrate an institution you know absolutely nothing about (and cannot
even distinguish from
Ohio  University). You are, pure and simple, a bare faced liar. Case
proven and closed".

Clearly you now even admitt the post exists so now please retract your
statement calling me a bare faced liar and that I made it up. Yet
another example of you making clearly incorrect statements.

 "You had a prime chance to put a case forward to show how good Ohio
State University is though instead revert to childish name calling
about some person you
clearly know nothing about. Clearly a associate Dean would have more
intelligence and not be so obtuse." - ME

Thank you for proving a point I made a long time ago.

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> > > > > > > > > Like I said, your buddy does not qualify as "independent".
> > > > > > > > > Nothing
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > do
> > > > > > > > > with racism (oh, what a martyr you are), just a suspicion that
> > > > > > > > > he
> > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > biased. Pick a lawyer or notary - someone whose neutrality can
> > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > relied
> > > > > > > > > upon - loser to pay. And don't think you can make me nervous
> > > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > all
> > > > > > > > > this blather about the Bogside. I know what it is, I've been
> > > > > > > > > there
> > > > > > > > > more
> > > > > > > > > times than you care to think. Whoopee.
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> > > > > > > > Marty is a solictor and highly respected at that. Its time you
> > > > > > > > had a
> > > > > > > > reality check, you cannot prove your identity never mind anything
> > > > > > > > else. Can you imagine sending somebody else down to the bank as  
> > > > > > > > third
> > > > > > > > party proof of idenity. Catch yourself on.
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> > > > > > > I'm not sure you can prove that you actually live on this planet.
> > > > > > > Doesn't seem so from your ramblings.
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> > > > > > Well I am not foolish enough to start making wagers which involve
> > > > > > proving my identity.
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> > > > > But you are dumb enough to go around making up "quotations" purporting
> > > > > to criticize a university whose identity you cannot even get right.
> > > > > Yes,
> > > > > that is really smart.
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> > > > > Oh, and telling people what academic qualifications they do and don't
> > > > > have, and then having to find every weasel device on earth to wriggle
> > > > > out of your blunder. Smarter still.
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> > > > I have every right to doubt anyone posts in these forums and if you
> > > > want to prove otherwise then feel free. Though only a moron would even
> > > > attempt to make a wager with someone on here.
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> > > > "Oh, and telling people what academic qualifications they do and don't
> > > > have", maybe you should have thought of that before you started to
> > > > post your assumptions about me.
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> > > Only a moron would be stupid enough to persist in questioning someone's
> > > qualifications when Google exists. That is REALLY dumb. I could care
> > > less about who or what you are.
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> > Then why did you make a foolish wager you cannot win?
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> The wager is already won - it's getting you to pay up that is the
> problem.
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Remind me have you proven your identidy never mind that you went to
Oxford?

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> > > > Where is your quote then? Go on I challenge you to post it here!
> > > > Clearly I have posted what Fowler and Burchfield actually said on the
> > > > matter below. Clearly this statement you made is wrong "And it is
> > > > 'Welsh Rarebit', not 'Welsh Rabbit', FYI" and clearly Fowler said that
> > > > it is wrong.
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> > > Go to Fowler, page 651 and 652. I assume you CAN read. It is right
> > > there, as it was when I read it before making that post.
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> > > > "Welsh rarebit (first recorded in 1785 as 'an etymologizing
> > > > alteration' of the earlier Welsh rabbit)"
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> > > > The New Fowler's Modern English Usage - Revised 1998 - Burchfield RW.
> > > > page 305
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> > > > "rabbit (noun). For Welsh rabbit (or rarebit), See WELSH RABBIT."
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> > > > The New Fowler's Modern English Usage - Revised 1998 - Burchfield RW.
> > > > page 649
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> > > > "Welsh rabbit, not rare bit nor rarebit"
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> > > Silly waste of bandwidth snipped - it has already been established that
> > > this was a sprat to catch a mackerel, and, boy, did you bite.>
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> > lol, you have established nothing you claimed "And it is 'Welsh
> > Rarebit', not 'Welsh Rabbit', FYI".  Thats a wild and incorrect
> > statement of which I have clearly proven wrong. As of yet you still
> > have not admitted as such and retracted it.
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> > Lets say you where baiting for a moment, this means when you posted
> > "And it is 'Welsh Rarebit', not 'Welsh Rabbit', FYI".  you would have
> > known it was incorrect.  If so that means you lied!   So if you think
> > a successful bait is when someone corrects a statement you made, which
> > is incorrect you are a bigger fool than I even thought.
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> > Clearly the statement you made is incorrect and clearly you did not
> > look it up in Fowler before making such a wild accusation. This bait
> > claim is a lame attempt to cover up the fact that you used Fowler to
> > try and certify your original statement and that was seriously
> > dishonest.
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> You missed the whole point, didn't you? Why am I not surprised.
>

No clearly I did not this is a weak attempt to cover up yet another
claim you made which was wrong. Just another one of many, now you have
realised your error you are trying to not look foolish. This is
dishonesty of the highest order.

So again please retract "And it is 'Welsh Rarebit', not 'Welsh
Rabbit', FYI", showing I was right to correct you in this regard.

This is nothing more than a ruse to hide your clearly offensive and
racist comments.


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In article ,
 freeireland  wrote:

> On 12 Nov, 13:11, "William A. T. Clark" <clarknos...@masceng.ohio-
> state.edu> wrote:
> > In article ,
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> >  freeireland  wrote:
> > > > > > Oh, so there is a URL after all? Well, good, as I say if you hadn't
> > > > > > refused to follow even the simplest Usenet etiquette, it would not 
> > > > > > have
> > > > > > been necessary to provoke you into finally revealing this "source" 
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > does more to disprove the point you were trying to make than to 
> > > > > > help
> > > > > > it.
> > > > > > I am not going to apologize to anyone who lacks even the simplest
> > > > > > inkling of appropriate behavior of this forum.>
> >
> > > > > Again complete and utter nonsense you assumed there was no URL and
> > > > > made very clear allegations that have now been proven to be 
> > > > > incorrect.
> > > > > Now please retract your slur.
> >
> > > > > You have no right to determine what is or what is not proper or
> > > > > inproper usenet etiquette.
> >
> > > > I don't determine it - it is the accepted protocol on the unsenet,
> > > > established by others.
> >
> > > What complete nonsense. This is an unmoderated forum and I do not have
> > > to post to any imaginary protocal. Nobody including you or I can tell
> > > me or anyone else what to post here or in what manner.
> >
> > > > Now, how about a comment on this?
> > > I have commented on it and will not any longer until you retract your
> > > statement and apologise for making it. How dare you talk about
> > > etiquette when posting such defamation without retracting and
> > > apologising.
> >
> > No, the question was asking for a comment on the paragraph that
> > followed. I understand you doing everything in your power to ignore it,
> > but you are really looking ridiculous now. Here it is again:
> >
> > "I can not think of any other place that is more ideal for a college
> > education. Ohio State has offered me unboundless opportunities
> > on beautiful campus, in a great city. I have not met (nor heard of) one
> > student that dislikes going here. Each and every one of the students
> > here is incredibly friendly and approachable. Even though the students
> > are aplenty, the class sizes remain small (only one or two major lecture
> > classes in first year). The academics are stimulating and interesting,
> > something I did not especially expect coming into a university of this
> > size. Ohio State offers incredible academic support...I have never gone
> > into a class not understanding any of the material. The professors here
> > are top-notch and truly care about their students.
> >
> > The school spirit here and the tradition are contagious, as people are
> > overflowing with spirit for the Buckeyes. The athletic programs are
> > great, with a beautiful RPAC (recreation center) and a newly built
> > McCorkle Aquatic Center. The Horseshoe is one of the most exciting
> > venues in all of college football. With everything that this school has
> > to offer both inside and outside the classroom, I cannot fathom any
> > parent who would be ashamed if their child chose to attend The Ohio
> > State University, one of the fastest rising and finest universities this
> > country has to offer. This truly is a special place."
> >
> > There - the ball is in your court for your usual educated and
> > enlightened comment.

Well? I'm still waiting for your enlightened editorial on the above.
> >
> >
> >
> > > "There is no URL in existence, and you made the post up just to
> > > denigrate an institution you know absolutely nothing about (and
> > > cannot even distinguish from Ohio  University). You are, pure and
> > > simple, a
> > > bare faced liar. Case proven and closed".
> >
> > More of the wounded martyr. It really doesn't become you as a role -
> > find some other persona.
> >
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> Quite the contary I have every right to challenge you on such
> statements. Since I have proven it wrong and since the accusation is
> so foul and of such strength any normal person would have the decency
> to retract and aplogise.

Of course you "have the right to challenge". However, when you have to 
be driven into such a corner just to produce the URL (and then it is 
shown actually to contradict your position), you have abdicated he right 
to be treated like a normal poster.
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> > > > "I can not think of any other place that is more ideal for a
> > > > college education. Ohio State has offered me unboundless opportunities
> > > > on beautiful campus, in a great city. I have not met (nor heard of) one
> > > > student that dislikes going here. Each and every one of the students
> > > > here is incredibly friendly and approachable. Even though the students
> > > > are aplenty, the class sizes remain small (only one or two major 
> > > > lecture
> > > > classes in first year). The academics are stimulating and interesting,
> > > > something I did not especially expect coming into a university of this
> > > > size. Ohio State offers incredible academic support...I have never gone
> > > > into a class not understanding any of the material. The professors here
> > > > are top-notch and truly care about their students.
> >
> > > > The school spirit here and the tradition are contagious, as people are
> > > > overflowing with spirit for the Buckeyes. The athletic programs are
> > > > great, with a beautiful RPAC (recreation center) and a newly built
> > > > McCorkle Aquatic Center. The Horseshoe is one of the most exciting
> > > > venues in all of college football. With everything that this school has
> > > > to offer both inside and outside the classroom, I cannot fathom any
> > > > parent who would be ashamed if their child chose to attend The Ohio
> > > > State University, one of the fastest rising and finest universities
> > > > this country has to offer. This truly is a special place."
> >
> > > > No? Noting to say? Why am I not surprised?
> >
> > > > > > > > Indeed, so against your worthless post I set many more contrary
> > > > > > > > posts.
> > > > > > > > Either the site is valid (you seem to think so), in which case 
> > > > > > > > your
> > > > > > > > attempt to put a university down blows up in your face, or else 
> > > > > > > > we
> > > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > agree that such sites are worthless, and you therefore 
> > > > > > > > acknowledge
> > > > > > > > your
> > > > > > > > post as a meaningless attempt to denigrate the university. 
> > > > > > > > Either
> > > > > > > > way
> > > > > > > > your original pose comes up way short, and looks petty and 
> > > > > > > > dumb.
> >
> > > > > > > Again more assumution, I have never claimed the web site is valid 
> > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > invalid. Also I have never attempted to put any university down 
> > > > > > > as
> > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > claim, I have quoted a student on a website which I have every 
> > > > > > > right
> > > > > > > to do.
> >
> > > > > > No, no "assumution", just the obvious that no one would invoke a 
> > > > > > web
> > > > > > site to try to put a university down and then claim that they 
> > > > > > "never
> > > > > > claimed it was valid or invalid". Yeah, right. Have a chat with 
> > > > > > your
> > > > > > "solicitor" friend Marty about rules of evidence and hearsay.
> >
> > > > > Again I did not put any university down I postd a quote from a single
> > > > > student.
> >
> > > > And ignored the posts from the other 45 who had completely opposite
> > > > opinions. Yeah, no slur intended there alright.
> >
> > > > > "Yeah, right. Have a chat with your 'solicitor friend Marty about
> > > > > rules of evidence and hearsay". So sue me!
> >
> > > > You wouldn't be good for the money, apparently.
> >
> > > lol, so I take it this means you won't be suing me then does it?
> >
> > As I say, you wouldn't be good for the payoff anyway. It would be like
> > the Goldmans suing O J Simpson.
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> After I lost all that sleep worring about you suing me.

You can't make a silk purse from a sow's ear.
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> > > > > > >  "You had a prime chance to put a case forward to show how good 
> > > > > > >  Ohio
> > > > > > > State University is though instead revert to childish name 
> > > > > > > calling
> > > > > > > about some person you clearly know nothing about. Clearly a 
> > > > > > > associate
> > > > > > > Dean would have more
> > > > > > > intelligence and not be so obtuse".
> >
> > > > > > I have neither the interest nor the time to " put a case forward to
> > > > > > show
> > > > > > how good (The) Ohio State University is" to some one who has
> > > > > > demonstrated he doesn't know the first thing about it or higher
> > > > > > education. What on earth would be the point?
> >
> > > > > Well you have been putting a fair bit of effort into making a case as
> > > > > I previously pointed out.
> >
> > > > No, just to dismembering the nonsense that you keep posting. That is
> > > > easy - the other would take time and effort, and your opinion simply
> > > > isn't worth that.
> >
> > > So you where making a case?
> >
> > I don't need to just to dispose with your silly nonsense. It simply
> > isn't worth the effort. "Pearls before swine" and all that.
> >
> 
> lol, well either you are making a case or not!

I can make a cast iron case - it's just that it is only worth doing do 
for rational, intelligent, correspondents. You don't qualify.
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> > > > > > > I would expect more of any offical at any university than to call 
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > student an idiot, or dismiss a website without looking at it, 
> > > > > > > being
> > > > > > > unable to find a website despite being informed how too and 
> > > > > > > finally
> > > > > > > resorting to wild assumuptions leading to directly calling a 
> > > > > > > person a
> > > > > > > liar when infact they where telling the truth. Even then having 
> > > > > > > to be
> > > > > > > asked several times to retract their assumption and correcting 
> > > > > > > their
> > > > > > > slur did not even have the deceny to apologise.
> >
> > > > > > Oh, dear, now we are playing the wounded martyr again. Boo hoo. 
> > > > > > What
> > > > > > utter and total drivel.
> >
> > > > > A personal attack, I see originality is not one of your redeeming
> > > > > characteristics.
> >
> > > > Martyr again. I see recognizing adjectival phrases is not one of your
> > > > strengths.

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> > > > > > > > > Once again, give me a URL for "Marty's" web site, and we will
> > > > > > > > > start
> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > "identity" process. The MDA needs the money for sick 
> > > > > > > > > > children.
> > > > > > > > > > Otherwise
> > > > > > > > > > just admit you were wrong, apologize, and get on with your
> > > > > > > > > > life.
> >
> > > > > > > > > Who said Marty has a web site. What makes you think I would 
> > > > > > > > > give
> > > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > his contact details when I will not give you my own!
> >
> > > > > > > > Oh, Marty doesn't have a web site? Hmmm, why am I not 
> > > > > > > > surprised. If
> > > > > > > > he
> > > > > > > > had one, then it is out there for the entire world to access, 
> > > > > > > > so it
> > > > > > > > would be really foolish to suppose that he would somehow come 
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > harm
> > > > > > > > if
> > > > > > > > I saw it, now wouldn't it? Does he do business out of the back 
> > > > > > > > of a
> > > > > > > > truck, or does he even exist (as a solicitor) at all? My guess 
> > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > he does not.
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> > > > > > > Well why would he have a web site, I don't have one and I bet the
> > > > > > > vast
> > > > > > > majority of people on the planet don't either. So your assumution 
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > because he does not have a web site he does business out of the 
> > > > > > > back
> > > > > > > of a truck. Why would a solicitor in Derry need a web site.
> >
> > > > > > Any business or professional would have one if he existed in the 
> > > > > > 21st
> > > > > > century.
> >
> > > > > lol, Again complete and utter assumption and nonsense. Though it is
> > > > > ironic that you post this considering you use a book published in 
> > > > > 1926
> > > > > as a style guide for your English gramar.
> >
> > > > Grammar has what to do with today's business practices? Well, at least
> > > > it is clear that "Marty" does not have a web site, and "Marty" is 
> > > > almost
> > > > certainly not a solicitor.
> >
> > > Yet again nothing but pure assumption and rubbish. Good for you coming
> > > up the the rule that all solicitors must have websites. Its just one
> > > leap of faith to another with you.
> >
> > No, it is simply connecting the dots, based on your past prevarications.
> > Just as you avoid the consequences of your rash challenges, so you most
> > likely create phantom "solicitor" friends that don't appear to actually
> > exist. Surprise, surprise. Is your entire world composed of fantasy?
> >
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> What you mean like a certain link does not exist! Look what wild
> accusations you made on that weak assumption.
> 
> Again you made an accusation based on pure assumtion and I ask you to
> prove it or retract it thank you.
> 
> "most likely create phantom "solicitor" friends that don't appear to
> actually exist. Surprise, surprise. Is your entire world composed of
> fantasy?"

You are really dishonest, aren't you? You posit "Marty" as a 
"solicitor", I challenge it, and you say "I" have to prove it? Total BS 
- just one more of your smokescreens intended to cover up your fantasies.
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> > > > > > > Though I am not surprised you don't really have a good record of
> > > > > > > making assumptions do you.
> >
> > Oh, I think this is a pretty stone cold good one.
> >
> 
> Ok then prove it if its stone cold.

Already done - you just refuse to accept the outcome. Surprise, surprise.
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> >
> > > > > > Oh, I have done pretty well in assuming that you will come up with 
> > > > > > an
> > > > > > infinite variety of tricks and devices to avoid facing the obvious
> > > > > > consequences of your rashness on this one. Batting 100% so far.
> >
> > > > > > > So you want me to put a direct contact to a friend on a public 
> > > > > > > forum!
> > > > > > > Sorry I would not put my own up so why would you think I would 
> > > > > > > put
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > address of my friends place of work! I would not be much of a 
> > > > > > > friend
> > > > > > > if I did that would I.
> >
> > > > > > Here we go again - weasel, weasel, weasel. He is supposedly a
> > > > > > professional, so I will contact him through his professional 
> > > > > > offices.
> > > > > > He
> > > > > > should be paid, too, by the loser of the wager, That's only fair, 
> > > > > > isn't
> > > > > > it? He doesn't work for free, does he? If he is actually a 
> > > > > > solicitor at
> > > > > > all.
> >
> > > > > yawn, look I will not hand out my own contact details on here and I
> > > > > will certainly not be handing out a friends. You can make all the
> > > > > assumptions you want we know how good at that you are. Now if you 
> > > > > want
> > > > > to prove your identity then do so! Though again you and I both know
> > > > > you cannot this is why your posting all this nonsense, to avoid 
> > > > > paying
> > > > > a measly $100 dollars to a terminal illness charity.
> >
> > > > Fine, so for the last time - you simply refuse to allow any process 
> > > > that
> > > > will finally reveal the extent of your silly misstatement. I understand
> > > > why you use the moniker "Free"ireland - you don't believe in paying for
> > > > anything.
> >
> > > Yawn more childish name calling.
> >
> > > What terms of the wager show you as having you won?
> >
> > The facts. End of story.
> 
> Why is it you can't show the terms of the wager showing you as
> winning?

No "terms", just facts. You made a statement, reiterated it when 
challenged, and did not have the common decency to withdraw it when $100 
was offered. You lose - you are just not man enough to admit it. 
However, if you give me a way to contact "Marty the solicitor", I can 
give him everything he needs. Either that, or retract (or simply crawl 
off into the night).

William Clark