On 6 Nov, 17:54, "William A. T. Clark"  wrote:
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>  freeireland  wrote:
> > On 6 Nov, 14:29, "William A. T. Clark"  wrote:
> > > In article ,
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> > >  freeireland  wrote:
> > > > On 4 Nov, 08:07, "William A. T. Clark" <clarknos...@masceng.ohio-
> > > > state.edu> wrote:
> > > > > In article ,
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> > > > >  freeireland  wrote:
> > > > > > > > > By the way, you are as ignorant about college tuition in Ohio
> > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > US
> > > > > > > > > as you are about everything else, and as is this genius you
> > > > > > > > > quote.
> > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > suggest you go look up the actual figures before spouting off -
> > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > just
> > > > > > > > > makes you look dumb.
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> > > > > > > > figures can be manipulated to say whatever you want. You had a
> > > > > > > > prime
> > > > > > > > chance to put a case forward to show how good Ohio State
> > > > > > > > University
> > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > though instead revert to childish name calling about some person
> > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > clearly know nothing about. Clearly a associate Dean would have
> > > > > > > > more
> > > > > > > > intelligence and not be so obtuse. If by some chance you where I
> > > > > > > > think
> > > > > > > > that would be clearly put some weight behind the student I
> > > > > > > > quoted.
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> > > > > > > I don't need a case, since you have provided absolutely nothing to
> > > > > > > answer! Again, give me the citation, and I will then give you the
> > > > > > > correct data in return. And whatever I "where", I notice that you
> > > > > > > made
> > > > > > > sure to snip your original absurd claim, just in case anyone had so
> > > > > > > much
> > > > > > > time on their hands that they might think it worth trying to
> > > > > > > verify.
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> > > > > > What drugs are you on, you have been trying to make a case in several
> > > > > > regards. First you attempt to dismiss the student as "some eighteen
> > > > > > year old idiot" then you try do discredit the post by  discrediting
> > > > > > the web site. The next position you take is to claim the post is
> > > > > > about
> > > > > > another university which clearly is preposterous since it refers to
> > > > > > the lift incident and OSU directly.
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> > > > > OK, then just provide the citation so we can all share it. Otherwise it
> > > > > is seen for what it is, something you simply made up and passed off as
> > > > > real. Wow, strange world you live in. If you can;t put your source up
> > > > > for examination and discussion, then it is clearly phony.
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> > > > > But I don't believe it exists.
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> > > > You also believed it was about another university. I have already
> > > > posted the web site I quoted from and the quote is in its full
> > > > context.
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> > > No, you didn't know the difference between Ohio University and The Ohio
> > > State University - that was the problem, and it was all yours. Now, you
> > > have NOT posted the web site, in my opinion because it does not exist
> > > outside your imagination. If it does, then post the URL and we can all
> > > look at it. Otherwise own up to the fact that this is a complete
> > > fabrication, and you have been caught in a lie. Why am I not surprised?
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> > Yawn, I have named the site and the quote is clearly in regards to
> > OSU. I don't care if you think its a fabrication and the quote is
> > available on the website I named previously for all wh are interested
> > to go and look at.
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> No, you have not "named" any website for this quotation. You, of course,
> will not give a traceable reference because this particular "quotation"
> is something you made up (or else refers to Ohio University). I'm not
> surprised you will not give it, given the magnitude of the gaffe you
> made. Too bad for you.
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"Well I have told you the name of the site and its "Student Review"
and
thats only a sample."

This is me clearly naming the web site last week and clearly the quote
refers to OSU and the elevator incident.

Please now have the denceny to retract your statement "No, you have
not 'named' any website for this quotation".


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> > > > > > "Like I say, set up any independent third party to verify identity"
> > > > > > thats what you said and I have set up my independent  third party
> > > > > > arbitrator as you stated. Still using the racist remarks I see, now
> > > > > > you can't play the ignorance card as I have already pointed out how
> > > > > > many welsh people find it offensive. What have you got against the
> > > > > > Welsh. I am from Northern Ireland, raised in the bogside in Derry so
> > > > > > sorry if I laugh at your pathetic Cleveland Browns lineman man thinly
> > > > > > veiled threat.
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> > > > > Like I said, your buddy does not qualify as "independent". Nothing to
> > > > > do
> > > > > with racism (oh, what a martyr you are), just a suspicion that he is
> > > > > biased. Pick a lawyer or notary - someone whose neutrality can be
> > > > > relied
> > > > > upon - loser to pay. And don't think you can make me nervous with all
> > > > > this blather about the Bogside. I know what it is, I've been there more
> > > > > times than you care to think. Whoopee.
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> > > > Marty is a solictor and highly respected at that. Its time you had a
> > > > reality check, you cannot prove your identity never mind anything
> > > > else. Can you imagine sending somebody else down to the bank as  third
> > > > party proof of idenity. Catch yourself on.
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> > > I'm not sure you can prove that you actually live on this planet.
> > > Doesn't seem so from your ramblings.
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> > Well I am not foolish enough to start making wagers which involve
> > proving my identity.
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> But you are dumb enough to go around making up "quotations" purporting
> to criticize a university whose identity you cannot even get right. Yes,
> that is really smart.
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> Oh, and telling people what academic qualifications they do and don't
> have, and then having to find every weasel device on earth to wriggle
> out of your blunder. Smarter still.
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I have every right to doubt anyone posts in these forums and if you
want to prove otherwise then feel free. Though only a moron would even
attempt to make a wager with someone on here.

"Oh, and telling people what academic qualifications they do and don't
have", maybe you should have thought of that before you started to
post your assumptions about me.


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> > > > You have had weeks to prove your identity and still you cannot even
> > > > resulted to thinly veiled threats.
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> > > Fine. Give me his name and (professional)  address, and I will be happy
> > > communicate with him and let him have all the information he needs. Done
> > > deal.
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> > > Otherwise just withdraw the claim and apologize. It's that easy.
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> > Sorry proof of identity means appearing in person, though I would not
> > give you mine or anyones address after your threats.
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> > Clearly this is nonesense of the highest order.
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> It is, is it? Banks can do it, governments can do it, everyone in the
> world can do it, but for you still trapped in your 1920's world, you
> cannot (will not?) confirm an identity. Of course not, because once that
> is done you lose - so you must keep creating impossible conditions to
> save your rear end from the consequences of your stupidity.
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Me trapped in the 1920's your quoting stuff written before 1926 from a
guy who died in 1933.

You introduced a notion of a wager and its clear you cannot prove your
identity so just send your $100 dollars to the Foyle Hospice.

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> > Though I noticed you snipped your Welsh insults.  Though i am still
> > waiting for your retraction of  "And it is 'Welsh Rarebit', not 'Welsh
> > Rabbit', FYI".
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> > You then went further claiming "There - my turn to catch you! Done -
> > see 'Fowler's Modern English  Usage'  for the correct explanation,
> > under 'True and False Etymology'".
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> > Its clear why you did not provide this quote because its clear Fowler
> > claims "Welsh
> > Rabbit is amusing and right," and "and Welsh Rarebit is stupid and
> > wrong".  You verified this with "Yes, that's on page 114 - check it
> > for yourself"
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> > This is dishonesty of the highest order. If Fowler is spinnning in his
> > grave I am sure its more likely at your dishonest use of his name, to
> > try and claim "And it is 'Welsh Rarebit', not 'Welsh Rabbit', FYI".
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> > You should retract your original statement and aplogise for your
> > racist Welsh slurs.
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> Now you cannot even read. You are the one that carefully snipped the
> piece about "rabbit" and "rarebit", and why I put that in. Do you think
> I would really be dumb enough to quote this without looking it up? Now
> that I am in the correct place, go look up Fowler, page 651 and 652 -
> that's where I got the information to bait MY little trap, which you
> greedily took. How you have not yet seen the joke is beyond me.

Where is your quote then? Go on I challenge you to post it here!
Clearly I have posted what Fowler and Burchfield actually said on the
matter below. Clearly this statement you made is wrong "And it is
'Welsh Rarebit', not 'Welsh Rabbit', FYI" and clearly Fowler said that
it is wrong.


"Welsh rarebit (first recorded in 1785 as 'an etymologizing
alteration' of the earlier Welsh rabbit)"

The New Fowler's Modern English Usage - Revised 1998 - Burchfield RW.
page 305

"rabbit (noun). For Welsh rabbit (or rarebit), See WELSH RABBIT."

The New Fowler's Modern English Usage - Revised 1998 - Burchfield RW.
page 649

"Welsh rabbit, not rare bit nor rarebit"

The New Fowler's Modern English Usage - Revised 1998 - Burchfield RW.
page 796


"Welsh rabbit. This dish of cheese on toast emerged, with rabbit so
spelt, in
1725. (In Mrs Hannah Glasse's The Art of Cookery (1747). on the same
page, she
apparently also called it a Scotch rabbit, but no one else seems to
have followed
suit.) In the same century the lexicographer Francis Grose defined
Welsh rabbit in his Classical Diet, of the Vulgar Tongue (1785) as
'bread and cheese toasted' and
added, 'i.e. a Welch rare bit'. To this day one encounters people who
call the dish
Welsh rarebit though there is no evidence of the independent use of
rarebit. The
origin of the name must remain a mystery: it is not thought to be
Welsh in
origin, there is no rabbit in it, and neither cheese nor toast is
rare. A half parallel
to the name is Bombay duck, which was first exported from Bombay
but is dried fish, not a duck."

The New Fowler's Modern English Usage - Revised 1998 - Burchfield RW.
Page 838

"WELSH RABBIT, not rare bit."

 A Dictionary of Modern English Usage 1926 Fowler - Page 666

"TRUE & FALSE ETYMOLOGY. English
being the one of all languages that has gathered its material from the
most various sources, the study of its etymology is naturally of
exceptional interest. It is a study, however, worth undertaking for
that interest, & as an end in itself, rather than as a means to the
acquiring either of a sound style or even of a correct vocabulary.
What concerns a writer is much less a word's history than its present
meaning & idiomatic habits. The etymologist is aware, & the person who
has paid no attention to the subject is probably unaware, that a fuse
is so called not because it fuses anything, but because it is spindle-
shaped ; that a belfry is not named from its bell ; that a child's cot
& a sheep-coZ come from different languages ; that Welsh rabbit is
amusing & right, & Welsh rarebit stupid & wrong ; that isle & island
have nothing in common ; & that pygmy is a more significant spelling
than pigmy. But to know when it is & when it is not well to call an
island an isle is worth more than to know all these etymological
facts".

A Dictionary of Modern English Usage 1926 Fowler - page 664

See here for the history of the term confirmed in Merriam-Websters
Dictionary of English usage.

http://books.google.com/books?id=2yJusP0vrdgC&pg=RA3-PA952&lpg=RA3-PA952&dq=fowler+%22welsh+rabbit%22&source=web&ots=nXyTklx30-&sig=LFzSNLjXFk96vaLG-9-fydg5A4Q


"Welsh Rabbit.

Cheese melted and spread over buttered toast. The word rabbit is a
corruption of rare-bit."

http://www.bartleby.com/81/17371.html

"Welsh was used disparagingly of inferior or substitute things, hence
Welsh rabbit (1725), also perverted by folk-etymology as Welsh rarebit
(1785). "

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=wake-up+call&searchmode=&p=1

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> Now, give me your solicitor pal's contact information, and I will
> arrange to get him whatever he thinks is appropriate.

So you want me to give you a friends contact information when I would
not give you my own. Marty said he will met you and since you have
been to the bogside what better place than the Bogside Inn.


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In article ,
 freeireland  wrote:

> On 9 Nov, 01:43, "William A. T. Clark" <clarknos...@masceng.ohio-
> state.edu> wrote:
> > In article ,
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> >  freeireland  wrote:
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> > Oh, so there is a URL after all? Well, good, as I say if you hadn't
> > refused to follow even the simplest Usenet etiquette, it would not have
> > been necessary to provoke you into finally revealing this "source" that
> > does more to disprove the point you were trying to make than to help it.
> > I am not going to apologize to anyone who lacks even the simplest
> > inkling of appropriate behavior of this forum.>
> >
> 
> Again complete and utter nonsense you assumed there was no URL and
> made very clear allegations that have now been proven to be incorrect.
> Now please retract your slur.
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> You have no right to determine what is or what is not proper or
> inproper usenet etiquette.
> 

I don't determine it - it is the accepted protocol on the unsenet, 
established by others.

Now, how about a comment on this?

"I can not think of any other place that is more ideal for a 
college education. Ohio State has offered me unboundless opportunities 
on beautiful campus, in a great city. I have not met (nor heard of) one 
student that dislikes going here. Each and every one of the students
here is incredibly friendly and approachable. Even though the students 
are aplenty, the class sizes remain small (only one or two major lecture 
classes in first year). The academics are stimulating and interesting, 
something I did not especially expect coming into a university of this 
size. Ohio State offers incredible academic support...I have never gone 
into a class not understanding any of the material. The professors here 
are top-notch and truly care about their students.
> >
The school spirit here and the tradition are contagious, as people are
overflowing with spirit for the Buckeyes. The athletic programs are 
great, with a beautiful RPAC (recreation center) and a newly built
McCorkle Aquatic Center. The Horseshoe is one of the most exciting
venues in all of college football. With everything that this school has
to offer both inside and outside the classroom, I cannot fathom any
parent who would be ashamed if their child chose to attend The Ohio
State University, one of the fastest rising and finest universities
this country has to offer. This truly is a special place."

No? Noting to say? Why am I not surprised?

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> > > > Indeed, so against your worthless post I set many more contrary posts.
> > > > Either the site is valid (you seem to think so), in which case your
> > > > attempt to put a university down blows up in your face, or else we can
> > > > agree that such sites are worthless, and you therefore acknowledge your
> > > > post as a meaningless attempt to denigrate the university. Either way
> > > > your original pose comes up way short, and looks petty and dumb.
> >
> > > Again more assumution, I have never claimed the web site is valid or
> > > invalid. Also I have never attempted to put any university down as you
> > > claim, I have quoted a student on a website which I have every right
> > > to do.
> >
> > No, no "assumution", just the obvious that no one would invoke a web
> > site to try to put a university down and then claim that they "never
> > claimed it was valid or invalid". Yeah, right. Have a chat with your
> > "solicitor" friend Marty about rules of evidence and hearsay.
> >
> 
> Again I did not put any university down I postd a quote from a single
> student.

And ignored the posts from the other 45 who had completely opposite 
opinions. Yeah, no slur intended there alright.
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> "Yeah, right. Have a chat with your 'solicitor friend Marty about
> rules of evidence and hearsay". So sue me!

You wouldn't be good for the money, apparently.
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> > >  "You had a prime chance to put a case forward to show how good Ohio
> > > State University is though instead revert to childish name calling
> > > about some person you clearly know nothing about. Clearly a associate
> > > Dean would have more
> > > intelligence and not be so obtuse".
> >
> > I have neither the interest nor the time to " put a case forward to show
> > how good (The) Ohio State University is" to some one who has
> > demonstrated he doesn't know the first thing about it or higher
> > education. What on earth would be the point?
> >
> 
> Well you have been putting a fair bit of effort into making a case as
> I previously pointed out.

No, just to dismembering the nonsense that you keep posting. That is 
easy - the other would take time and effort, and your opinion simply 
isn't worth that.
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> > > I would expect more of any offical at any university than to call a
> > > student an idiot, or dismiss a website without looking at it, being
> > > unable to find a website despite being informed how too and finally
> > > resorting to wild assumuptions leading to directly calling a person a
> > > liar when infact they where telling the truth. Even then having to be
> > > asked several times to retract their assumption and correcting their
> > > slur did not even have the deceny to apologise.
> >
> > Oh, dear, now we are playing the wounded martyr again. Boo hoo. What
> > utter and total drivel.
> >
> 
> A personal attack, I see originality is not one of your redeeming
> characteristics.

Martyr again. I see recognizing adjectival phrases is not one of your 
strengths.
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> > > > > Once again, give me a URL for "Marty's" web site, and we will start 
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > "identity" process. The MDA needs the money for sick children.
> > > > > > Otherwise
> > > > > > just admit you were wrong, apologize, and get on with your life.
> >
> > > > > Who said Marty has a web site. What makes you think I would give you
> > > > > his contact details when I will not give you my own!
> >
> > > > Oh, Marty doesn't have a web site? Hmmm, why am I not surprised. If he
> > > > had one, then it is out there for the entire world to access, so it
> > > > would be really foolish to suppose that he would somehow come to harm 
> > > > if
> > > > I saw it, now wouldn't it? Does he do business out of the back of a
> > > > truck, or does he even exist (as a solicitor) at all? My guess is that
> > > > he does not.
> >
> > > Well why would he have a web site, I don't have one and I bet the vast
> > > majority of people on the planet don't either. So your assumution is
> > > because he does not have a web site he does business out of the back
> > > of a truck. Why would a solicitor in Derry need a web site.
> >
> > Any business or professional would have one if he existed in the 21st
> > century.
> >
> 
> lol, Again complete and utter assumption and nonsense. Though it is
> ironic that you post this considering you use a book published in 1926
> as a style guide for your English gramar.

Grammar has what to do with today's business practices? Well, at least 
it is clear that "Marty" does not have a web site, and "Marty" is almost 
certainly not a solicitor.
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> > > Though I am not surprised you don't really have a good record of
> > > making assumptions do you.
> >
> > Oh, I have done pretty well in assuming that you will come up with an
> > infinite variety of tricks and devices to avoid facing the obvious
> > consequences of your rashness on this one. Batting 100% so far.
> >
> >
> >
> > > So you want me to put a direct contact to a friend on a public forum!
> > > Sorry I would not put my own up so why would you think I would put the
> > > address of my friends place of work! I would not be much of a friend
> > > if I did that would I.
> >
> > Here we go again - weasel, weasel, weasel. He is supposedly a
> > professional, so I will contact him through his professional offices. He
> > should be paid, too, by the loser of the wager, That's only fair, isn't
> > it? He doesn't work for free, does he? If he is actually a solicitor at
> > all.
> >
> 
> yawn, look I will not hand out my own contact details on here and I
> will certainly not be handing out a friends. You can make all the
> assumptions you want we know how good at that you are. Now if you want
> to prove your identity then do so! Though again you and I both know
> you cannot this is why your posting all this nonsense, to avoid paying
> a measly $100 dollars to a terminal illness charity.

Fine, so for the last time - you simply refuse to allow any process that 
will finally reveal the extent of your silly misstatement. I understand 
why you use the moniker "Free"ireland - you don't believe in paying for 
anything.
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> >
> > > > > Who makes a wager without defining any winning conditions, something
> > > > > pointed out by me a while ago. Its clear you cannot even prove your
> > > > > identity never mind anything else so to make a wager that depends on
> > > > > it was foolish.
> >
> > > > > I have now shown you making spelling errors and making wild
> > > > > accusations about grammar that are simply incorrect. Clearly you are
> > > > > no expert on grammar. I have also shown the length you are willing to
> > > > > go to save what little credibility you have left, from childish name
> > > > > calling, racial insults to thinly veiled threats.  You do not even
> > > > > have the integrity to retract wild accusations that you made which
> > > > > have now been proven wrong.
> >
> > > > Bluster, bluster, bluster all you will, the simple fact remains that 
> > > > you
> > > > stuck your neck out, rose to a challenge, got royally caught, and ever
> > > > since have been tying yourself in knots trying to find ways to weasel
> > > > out of something you should never have said in the first place. All 
> > > > this
> > > > other twaddle is just your feeble attempt at a smokescreen.
> >
> > > > The MDA is waiting.
> >
> > > More nonsense, ok what terms of the wager show you as winning?
> >
> > Everything - the facts, the details, Seimi, etc. All, in fact, but your
> > refusal to see the obvious.
> 
> I have yet to see any terms that say Seimi etc decide who wins the
> wager, so again I challenge you to show me the terms of the wager
> which show you have won.

How silly - you made a claim, I challenged you to stand by it for $100, 
or retract it. You refuse to do either. So, therefore, you are clearly 
standing by your nonsense, in which case you have been clearly shown to 
be wrong by an uninvolved third party, but now refuse to pay up. Now you 
come up with a bogus "solicitor" friend, who doesn't, apparently, have 
any business premises or web site. Very impressive.

William Clark