On 6 Nov, 14:29, "William A. T. Clark"  wrote:
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>  freeireland  wrote:
> > On 4 Nov, 08:07, "William A. T. Clark" <clarknos...@masceng.ohio-
> > state.edu> wrote:
> > > In article ,
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> > >  freeireland  wrote:
> > > > > > > By the way, you are as ignorant about college tuition in Ohio and
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > US
> > > > > > > as you are about everything else, and as is this genius you quote.
> > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > suggest you go look up the actual figures before spouting off - it
> > > > > > > just
> > > > > > > makes you look dumb.
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> > > > > > figures can be manipulated to say whatever you want. You had a prime
> > > > > > chance to put a case forward to show how good Ohio State University
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > though instead revert to childish name calling about some person you
> > > > > > clearly know nothing about. Clearly a associate Dean would have more
> > > > > > intelligence and not be so obtuse. If by some chance you where I
> > > > > > think
> > > > > > that would be clearly put some weight behind the student I quoted.
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> > > > > I don't need a case, since you have provided absolutely nothing to
> > > > > answer! Again, give me the citation, and I will then give you the
> > > > > correct data in return. And whatever I "where", I notice that you made
> > > > > sure to snip your original absurd claim, just in case anyone had so
> > > > > much
> > > > > time on their hands that they might think it worth trying to verify.
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> > > > What drugs are you on, you have been trying to make a case in several
> > > > regards. First you attempt to dismiss the student as "some eighteen
> > > > year old idiot" then you try do discredit the post by  discrediting
> > > > the web site. The next position you take is to claim the post is about
> > > > another university which clearly is preposterous since it refers to
> > > > the lift incident and OSU directly.
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> > > OK, then just provide the citation so we can all share it. Otherwise it
> > > is seen for what it is, something you simply made up and passed off as
> > > real. Wow, strange world you live in. If you can;t put your source up
> > > for examination and discussion, then it is clearly phony.
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> > > But I don't believe it exists.
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> > You also believed it was about another university. I have already
> > posted the web site I quoted from and the quote is in its full
> > context.
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> No, you didn't know the difference between Ohio University and The Ohio
> State University - that was the problem, and it was all yours. Now, you
> have NOT posted the web site, in my opinion because it does not exist
> outside your imagination. If it does, then post the URL and we can all
> look at it. Otherwise own up to the fact that this is a complete
> fabrication, and you have been caught in a lie. Why am I not surprised?
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Yawn, I have named the site and the quote is clearly in regards to
OSU. I don't care if you think its a fabrication and the quote is
available on the website I named previously for all wh are interested
to go and look at.


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> > > > > > > > Maybe I will join TMS then. They are an illiterate lot after all.
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> > > > > > > Why don't you give it a shot? Somehow, I doubt that you are good
> > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > annual dues.
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> > > > > > Yeah thats right they are so exclusive. lol
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> > > > > They would certainly exclude you. To me, that is about all that
> > > > > matters.
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> > > > lol, In the first year after graduation a graduate can join for free,
> > > > that is exclusive! For a few dollars any clown can join. A company can
> > > > even buy memberships on bulk.
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> > > Gosh, I  must really be getting to you if you have gone to all these
> > > lengths to find (half baked) information on the web. Of course, you
> > > forgot that the "graduate" has to be in the particular field, and
> > > company "membership" is corporate sponsorship. Clearly you don't you
> > > belong to any professional societies or you would have known about all
> > > this.
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> > The half baked information is from the TMS web site.  Graduates for
> > free. lol
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> You really don't have a clue, do you?
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I have more of a clue than you realise.

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> > > Aaah, now we try to question the source. One, he has been an accepted
> > > authority for decades, and two, he clearly knows a damn sight more about
> > > the language than you do. End of story.
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> > Who made him the authority on the English language? Was it the King or
> > Queen, was it the government or an offical body? Clearly he knew about
> > the language in 1926 and since he has been dead for decades he knows
> > very little  about modern english today. Clearly Burchill has
> > butchered his book in a very agressive update showing Fowler was well
> > past its sell by date.
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> Fowler is probably spinning in his grave at the abuse you heap on the
> language.
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The same could be said of you.

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> > > > "Like I say, set up any independent third party to verify identity"
> > > > thats what you said and I have set up my independent  third party
> > > > arbitrator as you stated. Still using the racist remarks I see, now
> > > > you can't play the ignorance card as I have already pointed out how
> > > > many welsh people find it offensive. What have you got against the
> > > > Welsh. I am from Northern Ireland, raised in the bogside in Derry so
> > > > sorry if I laugh at your pathetic Cleveland Browns lineman man thinly
> > > > veiled threat.
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> > > Like I said, your buddy does not qualify as "independent". Nothing to do
> > > with racism (oh, what a martyr you are), just a suspicion that he is
> > > biased. Pick a lawyer or notary - someone whose neutrality can be relied
> > > upon - loser to pay. And don't think you can make me nervous with all
> > > this blather about the Bogside. I know what it is, I've been there more
> > > times than you care to think. Whoopee.
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> > Marty is a solictor and highly respected at that. Its time you had a
> > reality check, you cannot prove your identity never mind anything
> > else. Can you imagine sending somebody else down to the bank as  third
> > party proof of idenity. Catch yourself on.
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> I'm not sure you can prove that you actually live on this planet.
> Doesn't seem so from your ramblings.
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Well I am not foolish enough to start making wagers which involve
proving my identity.

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> > You have had weeks to prove your identity and still you cannot even
> > resulted to thinly veiled threats.
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> Fine. Give me his name and (professional)  address, and I will be happy
> communicate with him and let him have all the information he needs. Done
> deal.
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> Otherwise just withdraw the claim and apologize. It's that easy.

Sorry proof of identity means appearing in person, though I would not
give you mine or anyones address after your threats.

Clearly this is nonesense of the highest order.


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Though I noticed you snipped your Welsh insults.  Though i am still
waiting for your retraction of  "And it is 'Welsh Rarebit', not 'Welsh
Rabbit', FYI".

You then went further claiming "There - my turn to catch you! Done -
see 'Fowler's Modern English  Usage'  for the correct explanation,
under 'True and False Etymology'".

Its clear why you did not provide this quote because its clear Fowler
claims "Welsh
Rabbit is amusing and right," and "and Welsh Rarebit is stupid and
wrong".  You verified this with "Yes, that's on page 114 - check it
for yourself"

This is dishonesty of the highest order. If Fowler is spinnning in his
grave I am sure its more likely at your dishonest use of his name, to
try and claim "And it is 'Welsh Rarebit', not 'Welsh Rabbit', FYI".

You should retract your original statement and aplogise for your
racist Welsh slurs.

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 freeireland  wrote:


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> Again I ask you to retract your statement "There is no URL in
> existence, and you made the post up just to denigrate an institution
> you know absolutely nothing about (and cannot even distinguish from
> Ohio  University). You are, pure and simple, a bare faced liar. Case
> proven and closed".
> 
> Its also clear that I posted how to find the quote I made. If you had
> even put the first sentence of the quote into google you would have
> found it. I have never tried to hide the source for this quote as you
> suggest. I have no obligation to give any link to another site when
> quoting.

Oh, so there is a URL after all? Well, good, as I say if you hadn't 
refused to follow even the simplest Usenet etiquette, it would not have 
been necessary to provoke you into finally revealing this "source" that 
does more to disprove the point you were trying to make than to help it. 
I am not going to apologize to anyone who lacks even the simplest 
inkling of appropriate behavior of this forum.>
> >
> > > > Here it is:
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> > > > "I can not think of any other place that is more ideal for a college
> > > > education. Ohio State has offered me unboundless opportunities on a
> > > > beautiful campus, in a great city. I have not met (nor heard of) one
> > > > student that dislikes going here. Each and every one of the students
> > > > here is incredibly friendly and approachable. Even though the students
> > > > are aplenty, the class sizes remain small (only one or two major 
> > > > lecture
> > > > classes in first year). The academics are stimulating and interesting,
> > > > something I did not especially expect coming into a university of this
> > > > size. Ohio State offers incredible academic support...I have never gone
> > > > into a class not understanding any of the material. The professors here
> > > > are top-notch and truly care about their students.
> >
> > > > The school spirit here and the tradition are contagious, as people are
> > > > overflowing with spirit for the Buckeyes. The athletic programs are
> > > > great, with a beautiful RPAC (recreation center) and a newly built
> > > > McCorkle Aquatic Center. The Horseshoe is one of the most exciting
> > > > venues in all of college football. With everything that this school has
> > > > to offer both inside and outside the classroom, I cannot fathom any
> > > > parent who would be ashamed if their child chose to attend The Ohio
> > > > State University, one of the fastest rising and finest universities
> > > > this country has to offer. This truly is a special place."
> >
> > > > I await your comments on this statement with interest.
> >
> > > I find it really amusing that your quoting from a website that you
> > > yourself claimed was a "totally worthless chat forum".  So tell me
> > > what is it a totally worthless chat forum or not?
> >
> > > Though this is just another example of trying to avoid correcting yet
> > > another wild incorrect accusation based on nohing but assumption.
> >
> > Indeed, so against your worthless post I set many more contrary posts.
> > Either the site is valid (you seem to think so), in which case your
> > attempt to put a university down blows up in your face, or else we can
> > agree that such sites are worthless, and you therefore acknowledge your
> > post as a meaningless attempt to denigrate the university. Either way
> > your original pose comes up way short, and looks petty and dumb.
> >
> >
> 
> Again more assumution, I have never claimed the web site is valid or
> invalid. Also I have never attempted to put any university down as you
> claim, I have quoted a student on a website which I have every right
> to do.

No, no "assumution", just the obvious that no one would invoke a web 
site to try to put a university down and then claim that they "never 
claimed it was valid or invalid". Yeah, right. Have a chat with your 
"solicitor" friend Marty about rules of evidence and hearsay.
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> Yet again resorting to playground name calling.
> 
> I clearly posted this particular post to see how you would respond,
> testing to see if you would respond like an associate Dean. This is
> what I clearly was refering to when I posted.

No, you didn't - you thought it was a major slap in the face, when it 
turned out to be exactly the opposite. Oops.
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>  "You had a prime chance to put a case forward to show how good Ohio
> State University is though instead revert to childish name calling
> about some person you clearly know nothing about. Clearly a associate
> Dean would have more
> intelligence and not be so obtuse".

I have neither the interest nor the time to " put a case forward to show 
how good (The) Ohio State University is" to some one who has 
demonstrated he doesn't know the first thing about it or higher 
education. What on earth would be the point?
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> I would expect more of any offical at any university than to call a
> student an idiot, or dismiss a website without looking at it, being
> unable to find a website despite being informed how too and finally
> resorting to wild assumuptions leading to directly calling a person a
> liar when infact they where telling the truth. Even then having to be
> asked several times to retract their assumption and correcting their
> slur did not even have the deceny to apologise.

Oh, dear, now we are playing the wounded martyr again. Boo hoo. What 
utter and total drivel.
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> > > > > > > > > Then why did you make a foolish wager you cannot win?
> >
> > > > > > > > The wager is already won - it's getting you to pay up that is 
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > problem.
> >
> > > > > > > Remind me have you proven your identidy never mind that you went 
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > Oxford?
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> > > > > > I prove it to myself every day. I prove it to every financial and
> > > > > > governmental institution you can name, to their satisfaction, every
> > > > > > day.
> > > > > > You, on the other hand, seem to want to hold to a higher, nay 
> > > > > > absurd,
> > > > > > standard. I assume this is like not wanting to publish that URL - 
> > > > > > once
> > > > > > you accept any reasonable proof of identity, the MDA will be $100
> > > > > > richer. Too bad for you.
> >
> > > > > Maybe then you should try and make a wager with every financial and
> > > > > governmental institution I can name or with yourself. You have have
> > > > > not provided any proof of identity which cannot be faked especially 
> > > > > on
> > > > > a forum like this. You have had ample time to do so and have failed.
> > > > > Now back up your foolish wager and donate $100 to the Foyle Hospice 
> > > > > as
> > > > > your squirming is now becoming dull.
> >
> > > > More weaseling and welshing. Still wriggling as hard as you can go.
> > > > Pretty funny from here, I must say.
> >
> > > > Once again, give me a URL for "Marty's" web site, and we will start the
> > > > "identity" process. The MDA needs the money for sick children. 
> > > > Otherwise
> > > > just admit you were wrong, apologize, and get on with your life.
> >
> > > Who said Marty has a web site. What makes you think I would give you
> > > his contact details when I will not give you my own!
> >
> > Oh, Marty doesn't have a web site? Hmmm, why am I not surprised. If he
> > had one, then it is out there for the entire world to access, so it
> > would be really foolish to suppose that he would somehow come to harm if
> > I saw it, now wouldn't it? Does he do business out of the back of a
> > truck, or does he even exist (as a solicitor) at all? My guess is that
> > he does not.
> >
> 
> Well why would he have a web site, I don't have one and I bet the vast
> majority of people on the planet don't either. So your assumution is
> because he does not have a web site he does business out of the back
> of a truck. Why would a solicitor in Derry need a web site.

Any business or professional would have one if he existed in the 21st 
century.
> 
> Though I am not surprised you don't really have a good record of
> making assumptions do you.

Oh, I have done pretty well in assuming that you will come up with an 
infinite variety of tricks and devices to avoid facing the obvious 
consequences of your rashness on this one. Batting 100% so far.
> 
> So you want me to put a direct contact to a friend on a public forum!
> Sorry I would not put my own up so why would you think I would put the
> address of my friends place of work! I would not be much of a friend
> if I did that would I.

Here we go again - weasel, weasel, weasel. He is supposedly a 
professional, so I will contact him through his professional offices. He 
should be paid, too, by the loser of the wager, That's only fair, isn't 
it? He doesn't work for free, does he? If he is actually a solicitor at 
all.
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> >
> >
> > > Who makes a wager without defining any winning conditions, something
> > > pointed out by me a while ago. Its clear you cannot even prove your
> > > identity never mind anything else so to make a wager that depends on
> > > it was foolish.
> >
> > > I have now shown you making spelling errors and making wild
> > > accusations about grammar that are simply incorrect. Clearly you are
> > > no expert on grammar. I have also shown the length you are willing to
> > > go to save what little credibility you have left, from childish name
> > > calling, racial insults to thinly veiled threats.  You do not even
> > > have the integrity to retract wild accusations that you made which
> > > have now been proven wrong.
> >
> > Bluster, bluster, bluster all you will, the simple fact remains that you
> > stuck your neck out, rose to a challenge, got royally caught, and ever
> > since have been tying yourself in knots trying to find ways to weasel
> > out of something you should never have said in the first place. All this
> > other twaddle is just your feeble attempt at a smokescreen.
> >
> > The MDA is waiting.
> 
> More nonsense, ok what terms of the wager show you as winning?

Everything - the facts, the details, Seimi, etc. All, in fact, but your 
refusal to see the obvious.

William Clark