On 3 Nov, 20:43, "William A. T. Clark" <clarknos...@masceng.ohio-
state.edu> wrote:
> In article ,
>
>  freeireland  wrote:
> > > > Heres another "Be careful when choosing OSU for college. Not only does
> > > > Ohio have the most expensive instate tuition, the teachers are not
> > > > helpful at all. I am transferring to another college after 2 years. I
> > > > felt like I wasted time at OSU. Also this university has a disregard
> > > > for student safety. A student died in an dorm elevator accident. There
> > > > were many complaints about the elevator before the accident. Also,
> > > > other elevators were on campus were found to be unsafe. It's all about
> > > > profit for the university."
>
> > > Oh, dear, so you dig up the comments of some eighteen year old idiot,
> > > who cannot even get the facts straight. Find this on "RateMyProf" or
> > > some such garbage  site, did you? I notice you still refrain from giving
> > > the URL - perhaps this is about Ohio University, too? Please cite the
> > > reference - if it exists.
>
> > As far as I am aware no student has died in a lift at Ohio University
> > or is it referred to as OSU. 18 year old idiot mmm, did you hear that
> > in the childrens playground.
>
> So? Then you can provide the citation to the "comments". if they
> actually exist. Either give the URL, or withdraw the quote as the
> figment of your imagination, which I suspect it is.
>
>
>
> > > By the way, you are as ignorant about college tuition in Ohio and the US
> > > as you are about everything else, and as is this genius you quote. I
> > > suggest you go look up the actual figures before spouting off - it just
> > > makes you look dumb.
>
> > figures can be manipulated to say whatever you want. You had a prime
> > chance to put a case forward to show how good Ohio State University is
> > though instead revert to childish name calling about some person you
> > clearly know nothing about. Clearly a associate Dean would have more
> > intelligence and not be so obtuse. If by some chance you where I think
> > that would be clearly put some weight behind the student I quoted.
>
> I don't need a case, since you have provided absolutely nothing to
> answer! Again, give me the citation, and I will then give you the
> correct data in return. And whatever I "where", I notice that you made
> sure to snip your original absurd claim, just in case anyone had so much
> time on their hands that they might think it worth trying to verify.
>

What drugs are you on, you have been trying to make a case in several
regards. First you attempt to dismiss the student as "some eighteen
year old idiot" then you try do discredit the post by  discrediting
the web site. The next position you take is to claim the post is about
another university which clearly is preposterous since it refers to
the lift incident and OSU directly.


>
>
> > > > > > > Your sick attempt at laughing at a genuine tragedy is disgusting.
> > > > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > sure you laughed like a drain, too, when some of your "heroes" got
> > > > > > > blown
> > > > > > > up while making bombs to kill others.
>
> > > > > > Again how little you know me, and I certainly never laughed at it, I
> > > > > > just asked a genuine question. So I will take that as an affirmitive.
> > > > > > Not good for the old safety record is it.  I have never had a any
> > > > > > hero
> > > > > > make a bomb at all and thats nothing more than a lame discredit by
> > > > > > association flame. Yawn like thats never been tried before. The one
> > > > > > thing I will give you credit for is a severe lake of imagination.
>
> > > > > Indeed, I have an enormous "lake" of imagination - it positively
> > > > > overfloweth. Yours is a miserable trickle by comparison.
>
> > > > lol, you think you where baited again, your like a goldfish swimming
> > > > around a bowl.
>
> > > I don't think so - no one could even make this stuff up. I think you
> > > "where" wrong, "your" prone to such idiocy.
>
> > Incase you hadn't notice I have been putting it every post I have
> > made. Maybe its just your just so gullable.
>
> Really. Yup, we ALL believe this.

So just who is this ALL you are refering too and what gives you the
right to speak on their behalf?

>
>
>
> > > > > > > > > > Your in no position to comment on anyones literacy with your
> > > > > > > > > > spelling
> > > > > > > > > > or wild untrue accusations.
>
> > > > > > > > > "Your" not in any position to make accusations on this score.
>
> > > > > > > > > Oh, you're a busy little boy, aren't you? I have no
> > > > > > > > > recollection of
> > > > > > > > > this, but if I did it in a rush to move on from replying to the
> > > > > > > > > kind of
> > > > > > > > > drivel you post, then I was clearly wrong. At least I admit it.
>
> > > > > > > > lol, don't worry there are a good few of them. Do you think TMS
> > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > few.
>
> > > > > > > TMS? Do you even know what that is? I thought not, seeing as it is
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > "professional" society with strict admission standards.
>
> > > > > > I certainly know what they are. You should goto the TMS web site and
> > > > > > in the search type "Due to". You should see all the uneducated
> > > > > > illiterates according to your twisted english that are post there.
> > > > > > Even scientific papers use "Due to" as a preposition in the title on
> > > > > > that website.
>
> > > > > What "they" are? Or what "it" is? You just don't have a clue.
>
> > > > Maybe I will join TMS then. They are an illiterate lot after all.
>
> > > Why don't you give it a shot? Somehow, I doubt that you are good for the
> > > annual dues.
>
> > Yeah thats right they are so exclusive. lol
>
> They would certainly exclude you. To me, that is about all that matters.
>

lol, In the first year after graduation a graduate can join for free,
that is exclusive! For a few dollars any clown can join. A company can
even buy memberships on bulk.


>
>
> > > > > > > > Though using your own powers of deduction this must mean you have
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > same level of education as me and are illiterate does it not?
>
> > > > > > > > Its fair to assume you are illiterate and uneducated. Though
> > > > > > > > again
> > > > > > > > clearly its not a mistake though I have without doubt proved my
> > > > > > > > point.
>
> > > > > > > In your dreams. You know, just standing on a street corner shouting
> > > > > > > something does not eventually make it true. Lesson one.
>
> > > > > > Just like somebody has been saying "Due to" is a preposition.
>
> > > > > > All was using your use of grammar to determine that. After all, isn't
> > > > > > that what you have have been doing not just on this threa but
> > > > > > others..
> > > > > > I thought I warned you of the dangerous of spelling or grammar
> > > > > > flaming.
>
> > > > > Could you repeat this paragraph in actual English, please? As it is
> > > > > now,
> > > > > it is incomprehensible.
>
> > > > Not too bright are you. Do you think I am doing this dilberetly! So I
> > > > can once again resurrect some of your speeling or grammatical errors.
> > > > Do you think there are any plants in this post. lol
>
> > > Oh, now we are trying to lay a smokescreen. Come on, no one is dumb
> > > enough to fall for that, just as no one is fool enough to believe your
> > > earlier denials.
>
> > lol, you have been falling for it on quite a few occasions yourself.
>
> Sure, sure.

yews it is sure.

>
>
>
> > > > > > > > > > > Number one, please remember that is it "The" Ohio State
> > > > > > > > > > > University.
> > > > > > > > > > > Number two, I give you an address to send the $100 check
> > > > > > > > > > > to. I
> > > > > > > > > > > don't
> > > > > > > > > > > need your money, so I would like you to send it in my name
> > > > > > > > > > > to:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > The Muscular Dystrophy Association
> > > > > > > > > > > 960 Kingsmill Parkway
> > > > > > > > > > > Columbus, OH 43229
>
> > > > > > > > > > > (614) 436-7744
>
> > > > > > > > > > > Let me know when you have sent it, and I will put them on
> > > > > > > > > > > alert
> > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > expect it. At least this way some good will come out of
> > > > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > nonsense.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > End of story.
>
> > > > > > > > > > lol, what a knob and just how have you proved your identity?
> > > > > > > > > > What
> > > > > > > > > > after several request you have actually not even made an
> > > > > > > > > > attempt.
> > > > > > > > > > How
> > > > > > > > > > could you expect me to believe an associate Dean could be
> > > > > > > > > > illiterate.
>
> > > > > > > > > Oh, tiresome little man, go find Seimi and chat with him. He'll
> > > > > > > > > do
> > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > an independent third party, and I'll provide him with evidence.
> > > > > > > > > However,
> > > > > > > > > I suspect you'll find more lies to wriggle your way out with.
> > > > > > > > > Of
> > > > > > > > > course, you could simply apologize.
>
> > > > > > > > So you think a post from an anonymous person is proof of your
> > > > > > > > identity. Clearly you have noway of proving you identidy to me or
> > > > > > > > anyone else unless you physically meet them. As for taking you at
> > > > > > > > your
> > > > > > > > word well its clear you full of shit and lack the literacy skills
> > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > expect everyone else to display on an informal forum.
>
> > > > > > > > You have had ample time to prove your identidy and you have not.
>
> > > > > > > Well, unlike you, I don't really feel the need to hide like a
> > > > > > > schoolboy
> > > > > > > behind some phony moniker. It's there for all to see. You are
> > > > > > > simply
> > > > > > > wiggling again. But I can see why you would want to.
>
> > > > > > lol, no instead you hide behind a another persons id!.
>
> > > > > Really. Is that the best you can do to weasel out of this? Pathetic.
>
> > > > Well you claim you could prove it. So where is your drivers license or
> > > > passport with a utility bill.  I think we should call you illiterate
> > > > boy from now on.  The grammar flamer who clearly does not even know
> > > > that "Due to" can be used as a preposition. The claims and spelling
> > > > mistakes you have made still crack me up. I really shouldn't keep
> > > > bringing this up though your reaction is just so funny.
>
> > > Where would you like them to be sent to? Easily done. By the way, lots
> > > of people use "due to" as a preposition - I don't deny it. While it
> > > might be acceptable to the less than fully literate, as Gowers would
> > > say, it just doesn't happen to be grammatically correct, that's all.
>
> > Again nothing more than nonsense, Gower, Fowler etc are out of date.
> > Even Gower however recognised that change was in the air.
>
> > "Fowler, remarking that the prepositional use of due to was "now as
> > common as can be" said "perhaps idiom will beat the illiterates;
> > perhaps the illiterates will beat idiom; our grandsons will know". Now
> > that this construction may be found in The Times and is freely used by
> > BBC announcers, it seems clear that idiom is fighting a losing
> > battle."
>
> Perhaps, but he still maintains that such degraded usage would be a
> triumph for the illiterates. Judging by your string of posts, he was
> clearly correct.

Clearly that includes you! After all you used "Due to" as a
preposition? Do you admitt to being an "illiterate"?

Fowlers book was published in 1926 and Gowers revision what 1965.
Though it is ironic you are quoting from books published in 1926 and
1965 with the title "Modern English Usage".   Gower clearly did see
the evolution in the languge in regards to "due to" as a preposition.
However the third revision in 1996 Burchfield goes much further.

"it begins to look as if this use of 'due to' will form part of the
natural language of the 21c, as one more example of a forgotten
battle."

Burchfield - Modern English Usage.

None of these authors have the authority to define English as a
language. Since there is no authority on the English language literacy
can only be defined by common usage. This is clearly shown in all
major dictionaries and even updated versions of Fowler.  Your in no
position to tell a person that they are illiterate based on an out of
date, inappropriate dogma.


>
>
>
> > - The Complete Plain Words by Sir Ernest Gowers-IX. The Handling Of
> > Words
>
> > "There are several other contrasts kept artificially alive by grammar
> > books and stylistic manuals - such as the difference between due to
> > and owing to, like and as (like/as I was saying ... ), or will and
> > shall. But at least in these cases, the language has been changing in
> > recent decades - and is still changing."
>
> > The reality is its not your position to determine what is or what is
> > not good grammar. There is no governing body of the English language
> > and clearly it gas evolved beyond you.
>
> "Its" anyone's right to draw attention to incorrect, sloppy usage of the
> language. And no, English "gas" not evolved beyond me, nor beyond
> Gowers. He draws a clear distinction between what is correct, and what
> is commonplace, but incorrect, usage. That's where the "illiterates"
> come in again.
>

Again I put it to you that you used "Due to" as a preposition and
therefore must be illiterate. Also can you tell me who and when Fowler
was given the job of the authority on the english language.


>
>
> > > > > > > > > Well, at least we have established that you are a welsher, pure
> > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > simple.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > > > The term welsher I think is pretty derogatory and many welsh
> > > > > > > > people
> > > > > > > > would be severally insulted by it. Maybe you should appolgise to
> > > > > > > > all
> > > > > > > > the Welsh people though I doubt to have any moral courage for
> > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > either.
>
> > > > > > > Oh, dear, you seem to have run into an etymological problem again.
> > > > > > > Let
> > > > > > > me help you with the OED:
>
> > > > > > > "welsh, welch, v.i. & t. (Of loser of bet, esp. bookmaker) decamp
> > > > > > > without paying; hence ~ER n. [19th. c.; orig. unkn]
>
> > > > > > > Nothing to do with Wales or the Welsh. Sorry.
>
> > > > > > tut tut I would have expected you to have at least sought the origins
> > > > > > of the word. Do you think you where baited again.
>
> > > > > > The term comes from a group of English bookmakers who absconded over
> > > > > > to Wales to avoid having to pay out on a lot of long shots who came
> > > > > > in. This term became popular later when Edward Prince of Wales
> > > > > > refused
> > > > > > to pay a few outstanding gambling debts.  The english used many terms
> > > > > > that the Welsh find offensive such as "Welsh Rabbit" etc. Welsh
> > > > > > language magazine in the early 90s started a campaign in the US to
> > > > > > get
> > > > > > the term "Welsher" banned as racist.
>
> > > > > Sorry, but no. Sometimes relying on over hasty Googling can get you in
> > > > > trouble. And it is "Welsh Rarebit", not Welsh Rabbit", FYI. Finally, no
> > > > > one ever said the Welsh language brigade were particularly smart, or
> > > > > had
> > > > > a sense of humour.
>
> > > > tut tut tut, another howler, do you not have any common sense at all.
> > > > Its so easy to bait you its not even a challenge anymore.  Clearly you
> > > > have no idea of the origins of "Welsh rabbit" and just as with grammar
> > > > are in no position to comment. So I would kindly ask you to keep your
> > > > racist slurs to yourself please.
>
> > > There - my turn to catch you! Done - see "Fowler's Modern English Usage"
> > > for the correct explanation, under "True and False Etymology". Wasn't
> > > hard, was it?
>
> > maybe you should provide a full quote then.
>
> I believe it is page 112 or 114 - I don't have mine with me here. Go
> take a look for yourself.
>

sorry you need to quote as my Welsh language magazine claims Fowler
said "Welsh Rabbit is amusing and right," and "and Welsh Rarebit is
stupid and wrong".

My Oxford dictionary has an entry for Welsh Rabbit as 1725 and Welsh
Rarebit in 1785.



>
>
> > > > > > > > Clearly you cannot prove your identidy to me, I named my terms of
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > wager and you failed to meet them. Now just pay up.
>
> > > > > > > Bluster, bluster, bluster. Like I say, set up any independent third
> > > > > > > party to verify identity (seeing as you are so determined to welsh
> > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > the bet). Loser to pay his/her costs.
>
> > > > > > > The MDA is really looking forward to your donation.
>
> > > > > > > William Clark
>
> > > > > > So can you quote me where I agreed to those terms!
>
> > > > > > You know its only $100 how can you refuse to pay upto the Foyle
> > > > > > Hospice. tut tut tut.
>
> > > > > Aah, so now you are trying to deny the challenge in the first place.
> > > > > Very innovative, but entirely predictable. Oh, and how come you excised
> > > > > the bit about the third party arbitrator? Getting a little too warm for
> > > > > you, is it? Let's do that - loser pays the abitrator's costs.
>
> > > > lol,  well terms have to be agreed before they can be excised and
> > > > clearly I will accept a third party arbitrator when he/she gives me
> > > > his drivers license/passport along with a utility bill and of course
> > > > with your  drivers license/passport and a utility bill. This is
> > > > standard proof of identity and proof of address. These are clearly the
> > > > terms I put before you before so why have you as of yet failed to
> > > > prove your identity?
>
> > > > Are you really so niave to think an anonymous poster here proves
> > > > anything. How can you prove you attented Oxford if you cannot even
> > > > prove your identity.
>
> > > Again, just tell me the name of the third party arbitrator who will
> > > examine the proof, and we'll go from there. You pick them - that way you
> > > can confirm their ID yourself. How many times do I have to say it?
>
> > > William Clark
>
> > My mate Marty, he says he will meet you at any airport in Derry though
> > don't forget your utility bill for display along side your passport.
>
> Sorry, not verifiable as a sufficiently independent arbitrator. Tell you
> what, you meet me at the airport in Columbus, and my buddy who plays
> lineman for the Cleveland Browns will be happy to exchange and verify
> the information. I don't think even you will be foolish enough to try to
> welch/welsh on him.


"Like I say, set up any independent third party to verify identity"
thats what you said and I have set up my independent  third party
arbitrator as you stated. Still using the racist remarks I see, now
you can't play the ignorance card as I have already pointed out how
many welsh people find it offensive. What have you got against the
Welsh. I am from Northern Ireland, raised in the bogside in Derry so
sorry if I laugh at your pathetic Cleveland Browns lineman man thinly
veiled threat.

>
> Otherwise just withdraw the claim and apologize. It's that easy.
>

Again you have had weeks to prove your identity and you cannot. You
know the address of the "Foyle Hospice"

> William Clark

In article ,
 freeireland  wrote:

> On 7 Nov, 21:46, "William A. T. Clark"  wrote:
> > In article ,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  freeireland  wrote:
> > > On 7 Nov, 14:25, "William A. T. Clark"  wrote:
> > > > In article ,
> > > > > > OK, so it is settled. There is no such site, unless you are taking
> > > > > > about
> > > > > > "Student"s"" Review. That totally worthless chat forum contains 
> > > > > > five
> > > > > > negative comments about OSU, compared to over 70 positive ones. 
> > > > > > FIVE
> > > > > > negative one - do you have a clue how many students there are on 
> > > > > > this
> > > > > > campus, and what fraction FIVE represents? There is no URL in
> > > > > > existence,
> > > > > > and you made the post up just to denigrate an institution you know
> > > > > > absolutely nothing about (and cannot even distinguish from Ohio
> > > > > > University). You are, pure and simple, a bare faced liar. Case 
> > > > > > proven
> > > > > > and closed.
> >
> > > > > Typing "Student Review" into google puts the web site top of the
> > > > > list.  If you searched even for the first line of the quote I made it
> > > > > would have brought you directly to the post in question.
> >
> > > > > Finally here is the link to the post since you are incapable of
> > > > > finding it. Now I ask you to retract your comment "There is no URL in
> > > > > existence, and you made the post up just to denigrate an institution
> > > > > you know absolutely nothing about (and cannot even distinguish from
> > > > > Ohio  University). You are, pure and simple, a bare faced liar. Case
> > > > > proven and closed". Yet more wild accusations based on assumptions.
> >
> > > > >http://www.studentsreview.com/OH/OSUCcomments.html?page=2&d 
> > > > >school=O...
> > > > > te%20University%20Columbus
> >
> > > > Oh, I've seen the quote - didn't you even read the paragraph above that
> > > > refers to it? Obviously not. Good, well you finally found it, although 
> > > > I
> > > > see why you were reluctant to do so, since there are close to 80
> > > > positive comments and only five negative ones. Hardly convincing
> > > > evidence for your case, even if you believe that such unregulated chat
> > > > forums are of any real value in measuring anything. Apparently you do.
> > > > It is also the case that write was not an ME major, but in the Business
> > > > School.
> >
> > > > Right below this idiots incorrect remarks, is this one, form another
> > > > Business major:
> >
> > > > "I can not think of any other place that is more ideal for a college
> > > > education. Ohio State has offered me unboundless opportunities on a
> > > > beautiful campus, in a great city. I have not met (nor heard of) one
> > > > student that dislikes going here. Each and every one of the students
> > > > here is incredibly friendly and approachable. Even though the students
> > > > are aplenty, the class sizes remain small (only one or two major 
> > > > lecture
> > > > classes in first year). The academics are stimulating and interesting,
> > > > something I did not especially expect coming into a university of this
> > > > size. Ohio State offers incredible academic support...I have never gone
> > > > into a class not understanding any of the material. The professors here
> > > > are top-notch and truly care about their students.
> >
> > > > The school spirit here and the tradition are contagious, as people are
> > > > overflowing with spirit for the Buckeyes. The athletic programs are
> > > > great, with a beautiful RPAC (recreation center) and a newly built
> > > > McCorkle Aquatic Center. The Horseshoe is one of the most exciting
> > > > venues in all of college football. With everything that this school has
> > > > to offer both inside and outside the classroom, I cannot fathom any
> > > > parent who would be ashamed if their child chose to attend The Ohio
> > > > State University, one of the fastest rising and finest universities 
> > > > this
> > > > country has to offer. This truly is a special place."
> >
> > > > Game. set, and match.
> >
> > > "There is no URL in existence, and you made the post up just to
> > > denigrate an institution you know absolutely nothing about (and cannot
> > > even distinguish from
> > > Ohio  University). You are, pure and simple, a bare faced liar. Case
> > > proven and closed".
> >
> > > Clearly you now even admitt the post exists so now please retract your
> > > statement calling me a bare faced liar and that I made it up. Yet
> > > another example of you making clearly incorrect statements.
> >
> > >  "You had a prime chance to put a case forward to show how good Ohio
> > > State University is though instead revert to childish name calling
> > > about some person you
> > > clearly know nothing about. Clearly a associate Dean would have more
> > > intelligence and not be so obtuse." - ME
> >
> > > Thank you for proving a point I made a long time ago.
> >
> > Indeed, it took all that effort to force you to post the URL, when most
> > people include it immediately. As it happens, there was clearly a reason
> > you were reluctant to do so - your miserable "quote" was overwhelmed by
> > the positive ones on that forum, and so showing the URL totally deflates
> > your petty insults on the university. Too bad for you, but at least you
> > might have learned the difference between Ohio University and The Ohio
> > State University, si it was not a total loss for you.
> >
> > By the way, what do you think of the other student's view that I posted?
> > Sounds like OSU didn't lose anything when your lone, and ill informed,
> > malcontent transferred.
> >
> >
> 
> Again I ask you to retract your wild and clearly incorrect accusation
> "There is no URL in existence, and you made the post up just to
> denigrate an institution you know absolutely nothing about (and cannot
> even distinguish from Ohio  University). You are, pure and simple, a
> bare faced liar. Case proven and closed".

Oh, we are playing the "hurt and insulted" card now, are we? Look, you 
refused to provide this URL until you were backed into this corner, and 
now you want an "apology"? In your dreams. Now, instead of blathering on 
about how offended you are, how about YOU retracting your insults heaped 
on an institution you know nothing about, beyond what you dredged up on 
Google? How about responding to this comment, which you have taken great 
pains to ignore, form a student clearly far ore academically able (by 
their own description) than the inaccurate absurdity you hung your hat 
on?

Here it is:


"I can not think of any other place that is more ideal for a college
education. Ohio State has offered me unboundless opportunities on a
beautiful campus, in a great city. I have not met (nor heard of) one
student that dislikes going here. Each and every one of the students
here is incredibly friendly and approachable. Even though the students
are aplenty, the class sizes remain small (only one or two major lecture
classes in first year). The academics are stimulating and interesting,
something I did not especially expect coming into a university of this
size. Ohio State offers incredible academic support...I have never gone
into a class not understanding any of the material. The professors here
are top-notch and truly care about their students.

The school spirit here and the tradition are contagious, as people are
overflowing with spirit for the Buckeyes. The athletic programs are
great, with a beautiful RPAC (recreation center) and a newly built
McCorkle Aquatic Center. The Horseshoe is one of the most exciting
venues in all of college football. With everything that this school has
to offer both inside and outside the classroom, I cannot fathom any
parent who would be ashamed if their child chose to attend The Ohio
State University, one of the fastest rising and finest universities 
this country has to offer. This truly is a special place."

I await your comments on this statement with interest.
> >
> >
> > > > > Then why did you make a foolish wager you cannot win?
> >
> > > > The wager is already won - it's getting you to pay up that is the
> > > > problem.
> >
> > > Remind me have you proven your identidy never mind that you went to
> > > Oxford?
> >
> > I prove it to myself every day. I prove it to every financial and
> > governmental institution you can name, to their satisfaction, every day.
> > You, on the other hand, seem to want to hold to a higher, nay absurd,
> > standard. I assume this is like not wanting to publish that URL - once
> > you accept any reasonable proof of identity, the MDA will be $100
> > richer. Too bad for you.
> >
> >
> 
> Maybe then you should try and make a wager with every financial and
> governmental institution I can name or with yourself. You have have
> not provided any proof of identity which cannot be faked especially on
> a forum like this. You have had ample time to do so and have failed.
> Now back up your foolish wager and donate $100 to the Foyle Hospice as
> your squirming is now becoming dull.

More weaseling and welshing. Still wriggling as hard as you can go. 
Pretty funny from here, I must say.

Once again, give me a URL for "Marty's" web site, and we will start the 
"identity" process. The MDA needs the money for sick children. Otherwise 
just admit you were wrong, apologize, and get on with your life.
> 

William Clark