On 30 Oct, 20:44, "William A. T. Clark" 
wrote:
> In article ,
>
>  freeireland  wrote:
> > On 29 Oct, 18:17, "William A. T. Clark" 
> > wrote:
> > > In article ,
>
> > >  freeireland  wrote:
>
> > > snip, snip
>
> > > > > > What can't you goole "Student Review" or is that ability above you?
> > > > > > Is
> > > > > > it true Ohio state university is now nickname "camp death" after a
> > > > > > student was killed in a lift.
>
> > > > > I can't "goole" anything - that's for Halloween. However, I know that
> > > > > if
> > > > > you actually had a URL you'd post it, so I'm not going to waste time
> > > > > looking for fictional "quotes".
>
> > > > lol, you do crack me up!
>
> > > Indeed, so we have established that either a) you made that comment up,
> > > or b) it is from the wrong program at the wrong university. No wonder
> > > you won't produce it and give us all something to laugh at.
>
> > Yawn.
>
> > Heres another "Be careful when choosing OSU for college. Not only does
> > Ohio have the most expensive instate tuition, the teachers are not
> > helpful at all. I am transferring to another college after 2 years. I
> > felt like I wasted time at OSU. Also this university has a disregard
> > for student safety. A student died in an dorm elevator accident. There
> > were many complaints about the elevator before the accident. Also,
> > other elevators were on campus were found to be unsafe. It's all about
> > profit for the university."
>
> Oh, dear, so you dig up the comments of some eighteen year old idiot,
> who cannot even get the facts straight. Find this on "RateMyProf" or
> some such garbage  site, did you? I notice you still refrain from giving
> the URL - perhaps this is about Ohio University, too? Please cite the
> reference - if it exists.

As far as I am aware no student has died in a lift at Ohio University
or is it referred to as OSU. 18 year old idiot mmm, did you hear that
in the childrens playground.


>
> By the way, you are as ignorant about college tuition in Ohio and the US
> as you are about everything else, and as is this genius you quote. I
> suggest you go look up the actual figures before spouting off - it just
> makes you look dumb.
>

figures can be manipulated to say whatever you want. You had a prime
chance to put a case forward to show how good Ohio State University is
though instead revert to childish name calling about some person you
clearly know nothing about. Clearly a associate Dean would have more
intelligence and not be so obtuse. If by some chance you where I think
that would be clearly put some weight behind the student I quoted.

>
>
> > > > > Your sick attempt at laughing at a genuine tragedy is disgusting. I'm
> > > > > sure you laughed like a drain, too, when some of your "heroes" got
> > > > > blown
> > > > > up while making bombs to kill others.
>
> > > > Again how little you know me, and I certainly never laughed at it, I
> > > > just asked a genuine question. So I will take that as an affirmitive.
> > > > Not good for the old safety record is it.  I have never had a any hero
> > > > make a bomb at all and thats nothing more than a lame discredit by
> > > > association flame. Yawn like thats never been tried before. The one
> > > > thing I will give you credit for is a severe lake of imagination.
>
> > > Indeed, I have an enormous "lake" of imagination - it positively
> > > overfloweth. Yours is a miserable trickle by comparison.
>
> > lol, you think you where baited again, your like a goldfish swimming
> > around a bowl.
>
> I don't think so - no one could even make this stuff up. I think you
> "where" wrong, "your" prone to such idiocy.
>

Incase you hadn't notice I have been putting it every post I have
made. Maybe its just your just so gullable.


>
>
> > > > > > > > Your in no position to comment on anyones literacy with your
> > > > > > > > spelling
> > > > > > > > or wild untrue accusations.
>
> > > > > > > "Your" not in any position to make accusations on this score.
>
> > > > > > > Oh, you're a busy little boy, aren't you? I have no recollection of
> > > > > > > this, but if I did it in a rush to move on from replying to the
> > > > > > > kind of
> > > > > > > drivel you post, then I was clearly wrong. At least I admit it.
>
> > > > > > lol, don't worry there are a good few of them. Do you think TMS have
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > few.
>
> > > > > TMS? Do you even know what that is? I thought not, seeing as it is a
> > > > > "professional" society with strict admission standards.
>
> > > > I certainly know what they are. You should goto the TMS web site and
> > > > in the search type "Due to". You should see all the uneducated
> > > > illiterates according to your twisted english that are post there.
> > > > Even scientific papers use "Due to" as a preposition in the title on
> > > > that website.
>
> > > What "they" are? Or what "it" is? You just don't have a clue.
>
> > Maybe I will join TMS then. They are an illiterate lot after all.
>
> Why don't you give it a shot? Somehow, I doubt that you are good for the
> annual dues.
>

Yeah thats right they are so exclusive. lol


>
> > > > > > Though using your own powers of deduction this must mean you have the
> > > > > > same level of education as me and are illiterate does it not?
>
> > > > > > Its fair to assume you are illiterate and uneducated. Though again
> > > > > > clearly its not a mistake though I have without doubt proved my
> > > > > > point.
>
> > > > > In your dreams. You know, just standing on a street corner shouting
> > > > > something does not eventually make it true. Lesson one.
>
> > > > Just like somebody has been saying "Due to" is a preposition.
>
> > > > All was using your use of grammar to determine that. After all, isn't
> > > > that what you have have been doing not just on this threa but others..
> > > > I thought I warned you of the dangerous of spelling or grammar
> > > > flaming.
>
> > > Could you repeat this paragraph in actual English, please? As it is now,
> > > it is incomprehensible.
>
> > Not too bright are you. Do you think I am doing this dilberetly! So I
> > can once again resurrect some of your speeling or grammatical errors.
> > Do you think there are any plants in this post. lol
>
> Oh, now we are trying to lay a smokescreen. Come on, no one is dumb
> enough to fall for that, just as no one is fool enough to believe your
> earlier denials.

lol, you have been falling for it on quite a few occasions yourself.


>
> > > > > > > > > Number one, please remember that is it "The" Ohio State
> > > > > > > > > University.
> > > > > > > > > Number two, I give you an address to send the $100 check to. I
> > > > > > > > > don't
> > > > > > > > > need your money, so I would like you to send it in my name to:
>
> > > > > > > > > The Muscular Dystrophy Association
> > > > > > > > > 960 Kingsmill Parkway
> > > > > > > > > Columbus, OH 43229
>
> > > > > > > > > (614) 436-7744
>
> > > > > > > > > Let me know when you have sent it, and I will put them on alert
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > expect it. At least this way some good will come out of this
> > > > > > > > > nonsense.
>
> > > > > > > > > End of story.
>
> > > > > > > > lol, what a knob and just how have you proved your identity?  
> > > > > > > > What
> > > > > > > > after several request you have actually not even made an attempt.
> > > > > > > > How
> > > > > > > > could you expect me to believe an associate Dean could be
> > > > > > > > illiterate.
>
> > > > > > > Oh, tiresome little man, go find Seimi and chat with him. He'll do
> > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > an independent third party, and I'll provide him with evidence.
> > > > > > > However,
> > > > > > > I suspect you'll find more lies to wriggle your way out with.  Of
> > > > > > > course, you could simply apologize.
>
> > > > > > So you think a post from an anonymous person is proof of your
> > > > > > identity. Clearly you have noway of proving you identidy to me or
> > > > > > anyone else unless you physically meet them. As for taking you at
> > > > > > your
> > > > > > word well its clear you full of shit and lack the literacy skills you
> > > > > > expect everyone else to display on an informal forum.
>
> > > > > > You have had ample time to prove your identidy and you have not.
>
> > > > > Well, unlike you, I don't really feel the need to hide like a schoolboy
> > > > > behind some phony moniker. It's there for all to see. You are simply
> > > > > wiggling again. But I can see why you would want to.
>
> > > > lol, no instead you hide behind a another persons id!.
>
> > > Really. Is that the best you can do to weasel out of this? Pathetic.
>
> > Well you claim you could prove it. So where is your drivers license or
> > passport with a utility bill.  I think we should call you illiterate
> > boy from now on.  The grammar flamer who clearly does not even know
> > that "Due to" can be used as a preposition. The claims and spelling
> > mistakes you have made still crack me up. I really shouldn't keep
> > bringing this up though your reaction is just so funny.
>
> Where would you like them to be sent to? Easily done. By the way, lots
> of people use "due to" as a preposition - I don't deny it. While it
> might be acceptable to the less than fully literate, as Gowers would
> say, it just doesn't happen to be grammatically correct, that's all.
>

Again nothing more than nonsense, Gower, Fowler etc are out of date.
Even Gower however recognised that change was in the air.

"Fowler, remarking that the prepositional use of due to was "now as
common as can be" said "perhaps idiom will beat the illiterates;
perhaps the illiterates will beat idiom; our grandsons will know". Now
that this construction may be found in The Times and is freely used by
BBC announcers, it seems clear that idiom is fighting a losing
battle."

- The Complete Plain Words by Sir Ernest Gowers-IX. The Handling Of
Words

"There are several other contrasts kept artificially alive by grammar
books and stylistic manuals - such as the difference between due to
and owing to, like and as (like/as I was saying ... ), or will and
shall. But at least in these cases, the language has been changing in
recent decades - and is still changing."


The reality is its not your position to determine what is or what is
not good grammar. There is no governing body of the English language
and clearly it gas evolved beyond you.


>
>
> > > > > > > Well, at least we have established that you are a welsher, pure and
> > > > > > > simple.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > The term welsher I think is pretty derogatory and many welsh people
> > > > > > would be severally insulted by it. Maybe you should appolgise to all
> > > > > > the Welsh people though I doubt to have any moral courage for that
> > > > > > either.
>
> > > > > Oh, dear, you seem to have run into an etymological problem again. Let
> > > > > me help you with the OED:
>
> > > > > "welsh, welch, v.i. & t. (Of loser of bet, esp. bookmaker) decamp
> > > > > without paying; hence ~ER n. [19th. c.; orig. unkn]
>
> > > > > Nothing to do with Wales or the Welsh. Sorry.
>
> > > > tut tut I would have expected you to have at least sought the origins
> > > > of the word. Do you think you where baited again.
>
> > > > The term comes from a group of English bookmakers who absconded over
> > > > to Wales to avoid having to pay out on a lot of long shots who came
> > > > in. This term became popular later when Edward Prince of Wales refused
> > > > to pay a few outstanding gambling debts.  The english used many terms
> > > > that the Welsh find offensive such as "Welsh Rabbit" etc. Welsh
> > > > language magazine in the early 90s started a campaign in the US to get
> > > > the term "Welsher" banned as racist.
>
> > > Sorry, but no. Sometimes relying on over hasty Googling can get you in
> > > trouble. And it is "Welsh Rarebit", not Welsh Rabbit", FYI. Finally, no
> > > one ever said the Welsh language brigade were particularly smart, or had
> > > a sense of humour.
>
> > tut tut tut, another howler, do you not have any common sense at all.
> > Its so easy to bait you its not even a challenge anymore.  Clearly you
> > have no idea of the origins of "Welsh rabbit" and just as with grammar
> > are in no position to comment. So I would kindly ask you to keep your
> > racist slurs to yourself please.
>
> There - my turn to catch you! Done - see "Fowler's Modern English Usage"
> for the correct explanation, under "True and False Etymology". Wasn't
> hard, was it?

maybe you should provide a full quote then.


Read this and away with your racist slurs.

"Finally, no one ever said the Welsh language brigade were
particularly smart, or had a sense of humour."

What did welsh speakers ever do to you to earn such a racist remark.


http://www.thereddragonhood.com/pages/rabbit.html




>
> > > > > > Clearly you cannot prove your identidy to me, I named my terms of the
> > > > > > wager and you failed to meet them. Now just pay up.
>
> > > > > Bluster, bluster, bluster. Like I say, set up any independent third
> > > > > party to verify identity (seeing as you are so determined to welsh on
> > > > > the bet). Loser to pay his/her costs.
>
> > > > > The MDA is really looking forward to your donation.
>
> > > > > William Clark
>
> > > > So can you quote me where I agreed to those terms!
>
> > > > You know its only $100 how can you refuse to pay upto the Foyle
> > > > Hospice. tut tut tut.
>
> > > Aah, so now you are trying to deny the challenge in the first place.
> > > Very innovative, but entirely predictable. Oh, and how come you excised
> > > the bit about the third party arbitrator? Getting a little too warm for
> > > you, is it? Let's do that - loser pays the abitrator's costs.
>
> > lol,  well terms have to be agreed before they can be excised and
> > clearly I will accept a third party arbitrator when he/she gives me
> > his drivers license/passport along with a utility bill and of course
> > with your  drivers license/passport and a utility bill. This is
> > standard proof of identity and proof of address. These are clearly the
> > terms I put before you before so why have you as of yet failed to
> > prove your identity?
>
> > Are you really so niave to think an anonymous poster here proves
> > anything. How can you prove you attented Oxford if you cannot even
> > prove your identity.
>
> Again, just tell me the name of the third party arbitrator who will
> examine the proof, and we'll go from there. You pick them - that way you
> can confirm their ID yourself. How many times do I have to say it?
>
> William Clark

My mate Marty, he says he will meet you at any airport in Derry though
don't forget your utility bill for display along side your passport.

In article ,
 freeireland  wrote:

> On 7 Nov, 14:25, "William A. T. Clark"  wrote:
> > In article ,

> > > > OK, so it is settled. There is no such site, unless you are taking 
> > > > about
> > > > "Student"s"" Review. That totally worthless chat forum contains five
> > > > negative comments about OSU, compared to over 70 positive ones. FIVE
> > > > negative one - do you have a clue how many students there are on this
> > > > campus, and what fraction FIVE represents? There is no URL in 
> > > > existence,
> > > > and you made the post up just to denigrate an institution you know
> > > > absolutely nothing about (and cannot even distinguish from Ohio
> > > > University). You are, pure and simple, a bare faced liar. Case proven
> > > > and closed.
> >
> > > Typing "Student Review" into google puts the web site top of the
> > > list.  If you searched even for the first line of the quote I made it
> > > would have brought you directly to the post in question.
> >
> > > Finally here is the link to the post since you are incapable of
> > > finding it. Now I ask you to retract your comment "There is no URL in
> > > existence, and you made the post up just to denigrate an institution
> > > you know absolutely nothing about (and cannot even distinguish from
> > > Ohio  University). You are, pure and simple, a bare faced liar. Case
> > > proven and closed". Yet more wild accusations based on assumptions.
> >
> > >http://www.studentsreview.com/OH/OSUC comments.html?page=2&d school=O...
> > > te%20University%20Columbus
> >
> > Oh, I've seen the quote - didn't you even read the paragraph above that
> > refers to it? Obviously not. Good, well you finally found it, although I
> > see why you were reluctant to do so, since there are close to 80
> > positive comments and only five negative ones. Hardly convincing
> > evidence for your case, even if you believe that such unregulated chat
> > forums are of any real value in measuring anything. Apparently you do.
> > It is also the case that write was not an ME major, but in the Business
> > School.
> >
> > Right below this idiots incorrect remarks, is this one, form another
> > Business major:
> >
> > "I can not think of any other place that is more ideal for a college
> > education. Ohio State has offered me unboundless opportunities on a
> > beautiful campus, in a great city. I have not met (nor heard of) one
> > student that dislikes going here. Each and every one of the students
> > here is incredibly friendly and approachable. Even though the students
> > are aplenty, the class sizes remain small (only one or two major lecture
> > classes in first year). The academics are stimulating and interesting,
> > something I did not especially expect coming into a university of this
> > size. Ohio State offers incredible academic support...I have never gone
> > into a class not understanding any of the material. The professors here
> > are top-notch and truly care about their students.
> >
> > The school spirit here and the tradition are contagious, as people are
> > overflowing with spirit for the Buckeyes. The athletic programs are
> > great, with a beautiful RPAC (recreation center) and a newly built
> > McCorkle Aquatic Center. The Horseshoe is one of the most exciting
> > venues in all of college football. With everything that this school has
> > to offer both inside and outside the classroom, I cannot fathom any
> > parent who would be ashamed if their child chose to attend The Ohio
> > State University, one of the fastest rising and finest universities this
> > country has to offer. This truly is a special place."
> >
> > Game. set, and match.
> 
> "There is no URL in existence, and you made the post up just to
> denigrate an institution you know absolutely nothing about (and cannot
> even distinguish from
> Ohio  University). You are, pure and simple, a bare faced liar. Case
> proven and closed".
> 
> Clearly you now even admitt the post exists so now please retract your
> statement calling me a bare faced liar and that I made it up. Yet
> another example of you making clearly incorrect statements.
> 
>  "You had a prime chance to put a case forward to show how good Ohio
> State University is though instead revert to childish name calling
> about some person you
> clearly know nothing about. Clearly a associate Dean would have more
> intelligence and not be so obtuse." - ME
> 
> Thank you for proving a point I made a long time ago.

Indeed, it took all that effort to force you to post the URL, when most 
people include it immediately. As it happens, there was clearly a reason 
you were reluctant to do so - your miserable "quote" was overwhelmed by 
the positive ones on that forum, and so showing the URL totally deflates 
your petty insults on the university. Too bad for you, but at least you 
might have learned the difference between Ohio University and The Ohio 
State University, si it was not a total loss for you. 

By the way, what do you think of the other student's view that I posted? 
Sounds like OSU didn't lose anything when your lone, and ill informed, 
malcontent transferred. 
> 
> > > > > > > > > > Like I said, your buddy does not qualify as "independent".
> > > > > > > > > > Nothing
> > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > do
> > > > > > > > > > with racism (oh, what a martyr you are), just a suspicion 
> > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > he
> > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > biased. Pick a lawyer or notary - someone whose neutrality 
> > > > > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > relied
> > > > > > > > > > upon - loser to pay. And don't think you can make me 
> > > > > > > > > > nervous
> > > > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > all
> > > > > > > > > > this blather about the Bogside. I know what it is, I've 
> > > > > > > > > > been
> > > > > > > > > > there
> > > > > > > > > > more
> > > > > > > > > > times than you care to think. Whoopee.
> >
> > > > > > > > > Marty is a solictor and highly respected at that. Its time 
> > > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > had a
> > > > > > > > > reality check, you cannot prove your identity never mind 
> > > > > > > > > anything
> > > > > > > > > else. Can you imagine sending somebody else down to the bank 
> > > > > > > > > as  
> > > > > > > > > third
> > > > > > > > > party proof of idenity. Catch yourself on.
> >
> > > > > > > > I'm not sure you can prove that you actually live on this 
> > > > > > > > planet.
> > > > > > > > Doesn't seem so from your ramblings.
> >
> > > > > > > Well I am not foolish enough to start making wagers which involve
> > > > > > > proving my identity.
> >
> > > > > > But you are dumb enough to go around making up "quotations" 
> > > > > > purporting
> > > > > > to criticize a university whose identity you cannot even get right.
> > > > > > Yes,
> > > > > > that is really smart.
> >
> > > > > > Oh, and telling people what academic qualifications they do and 
> > > > > > don't
> > > > > > have, and then having to find every weasel device on earth to 
> > > > > > wriggle
> > > > > > out of your blunder. Smarter still.
> >
> > > > > I have every right to doubt anyone posts in these forums and if you
> > > > > want to prove otherwise then feel free. Though only a moron would 
> > > > > even
> > > > > attempt to make a wager with someone on here.
> >
> > > > > "Oh, and telling people what academic qualifications they do and 
> > > > > don't
> > > > > have", maybe you should have thought of that before you started to
> > > > > post your assumptions about me.
> >
> > > > Only a moron would be stupid enough to persist in questioning someone's
> > > > qualifications when Google exists. That is REALLY dumb. I could care
> > > > less about who or what you are.
> >
> > > Then why did you make a foolish wager you cannot win?
> >
> > The wager is already won - it's getting you to pay up that is the
> > problem.
> >
> >
> 
> Remind me have you proven your identidy never mind that you went to
> Oxford?

I prove it to myself every day. I prove it to every financial and 
governmental institution you can name, to their satisfaction, every day. 
You, on the other hand, seem to want to hold to a higher, nay absurd, 
standard. I assume this is like not wanting to publish that URL - once 
you accept any reasonable proof of identity, the MDA will be $100 
richer. Too bad for you.
> 
> >
> > > > > Where is your quote then? Go on I challenge you to post it here!
> > > > > Clearly I have posted what Fowler and Burchfield actually said on the
> > > > > matter below. Clearly this statement you made is wrong "And it is
> > > > > 'Welsh Rarebit', not 'Welsh Rabbit', FYI" and clearly Fowler said 
> > > > > that
> > > > > it is wrong.
> >
> > > > Go to Fowler, page 651 and 652. I assume you CAN read. It is right
> > > > there, as it was when I read it before making that post.
> >
> > > > > "Welsh rarebit (first recorded in 1785 as 'an etymologizing
> > > > > alteration' of the earlier Welsh rabbit)"
> >
> > > > > The New Fowler's Modern English Usage - Revised 1998 - Burchfield RW.
> > > > > page 305
> >
> > > > > "rabbit (noun). For Welsh rabbit (or rarebit), See WELSH RABBIT."
> >
> > > > > The New Fowler's Modern English Usage - Revised 1998 - Burchfield RW.
> > > > > page 649
> >
> > > > > "Welsh rabbit, not rare bit nor rarebit"
> >
> > > > Silly waste of bandwidth snipped - it has already been established that
> > > > this was a sprat to catch a mackerel, and, boy, did you bite.>
> >
> > > lol, you have established nothing you claimed "And it is 'Welsh
> > > Rarebit', not 'Welsh Rabbit', FYI".  Thats a wild and incorrect
> > > statement of which I have clearly proven wrong. As of yet you still
> > > have not admitted as such and retracted it.
> >
> > > Lets say you where baiting for a moment, this means when you posted
> > > "And it is 'Welsh Rarebit', not 'Welsh Rabbit', FYI".  you would have
> > > known it was incorrect.  If so that means you lied!   So if you think
> > > a successful bait is when someone corrects a statement you made, which
> > > is incorrect you are a bigger fool than I even thought.
> >
> > > Clearly the statement you made is incorrect and clearly you did not
> > > look it up in Fowler before making such a wild accusation. This bait
> > > claim is a lame attempt to cover up the fact that you used Fowler to
> > > try and certify your original statement and that was seriously
> > > dishonest.
> >
> > You missed the whole point, didn't you? Why am I not surprised.
> >
> 
> No clearly I did not this is a weak attempt to cover up yet another
> claim you made which was wrong. Just another one of many, now you have
> realised your error you are trying to not look foolish. This is
> dishonesty of the highest order.
> 
> So again please retract "And it is 'Welsh Rarebit', not 'Welsh
> Rabbit', FYI", showing I was right to correct you in this regard.
> 
> This is nothing more than a ruse to hide your clearly offensive and
> racist comments.

Hey, if you cannot read or comprehend, that is your problem. You can 
spin this any way you want, the facts are facts, and pp. 651 and 651 of 
Gowers told me so long before I posted.

So, how about your "solicitor" pal's web site? Or is that another URL 
you either can't, or don't want, to reveal less it leaves you with no 
weasel room?

I thought so.

William Clark