On 27 Oct, 21:46, "William A. T. Clark" 
wrote:
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>  freeireland  wrote:
> > > > Just prove it then? You will never prove it to my satisfaction and you
> > > > will never pay up! thats a reality!
>
> > > In other words, you will simply refuse to pay. I thought so.
>
> > > > Well you have yet to say how payment could happen?
>
> > > You can send me a check - I will be happy to give you an address to send
> > > it to.
>
> > lol, yeah I'll send you  a cheque with bank account details. Though I
> > wouldn't hold my breath.
>
> > > > > > > > Its bananas you expect me to take a wager where I would never get
> > > > > > > > paid. Besides I doubt you could ever prove it to my satisfaction.
>
> > > > > > > I could certainly prove it one way or the other. Am I bluffing? Are
> > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > brave enough to find out? I
>
> > > > How could you prove it and how could you pay me?
>
> > > So you want me to give you the answer BEFORE you commit to seeing your
> > > wager through? Very clever - once I do you will simply welsh on the bet
> > > yet again. No, you made the claim, now be prepared to stand by it, or
> > > else retract and apologize.
>
> > lol, You have yet to even say what would be acceptable as proof or how
> > you would transfer money to me if I won? How would you even prove your
> > identity? what sort of fool tries to make a wager without defining
> > winning or losing conditions? A bookmaker you are not!
>
> Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle. Can we hear the goal posts being rapidly moved
> to prevent a score? I certainly can.
>
> Just identify a reputable, independent third party whose integrity can
> be trusted to evaluate the evidence. Loser to pay his/her costs or fees.
> I'm happy with that. I assume you won't be.

lol who are you kidding, do you ralise this is a public newsgroup,most
people use aliases and I have clearly stated my terms, the first proof
of identity. a drivers license or passport with a utility bill.
Originals of course and then visual confirmation.  Thats before you
even try to prove without doubt you attended and received a doctorate
from Oxford Universtiy England. Then of course a time frame for this
evidence to be produced.

My mate Marty here tells me that your full of shit and if you had any
evidence you would have posted by now as you made a complete knob of
yourself making wild claims aboud "Due to" being a preposition. I
can't imagine anyone who attended Oxford being critical of the Queen's
use of english! This apparent wager is a diversion and lame attempt by
you to try and regain some of your credibility.

Though at least you have not fallen for the obvious baiting this time,
though it took a while. So I will ask the question again

Who are you to tell the British government, the Queen, British
legislators, all major dictionaries, universities, authors,
journalists, the British education system and
world famous organisations such as the BBC and the Times that due to
is not acceptable as a preposition?

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 freeireland  wrote:

> > > > By the way, you are as ignorant about college tuition in Ohio and the 
> > > > US
> > > > as you are about everything else, and as is this genius you quote. I
> > > > suggest you go look up the actual figures before spouting off - it just
> > > > makes you look dumb.
> >
> > > figures can be manipulated to say whatever you want. You had a prime
> > > chance to put a case forward to show how good Ohio State University is
> > > though instead revert to childish name calling about some person you
> > > clearly know nothing about. Clearly a associate Dean would have more
> > > intelligence and not be so obtuse. If by some chance you where I think
> > > that would be clearly put some weight behind the student I quoted.
> >
> > I don't need a case, since you have provided absolutely nothing to
> > answer! Again, give me the citation, and I will then give you the
> > correct data in return. And whatever I "where", I notice that you made
> > sure to snip your original absurd claim, just in case anyone had so much
> > time on their hands that they might think it worth trying to verify.
> >
> 
> What drugs are you on, you have been trying to make a case in several
> regards. First you attempt to dismiss the student as "some eighteen
> year old idiot" then you try do discredit the post by  discrediting
> the web site. The next position you take is to claim the post is about
> another university which clearly is preposterous since it refers to
> the lift incident and OSU directly.

OK, then just provide the citation so we can all share it. Otherwise it 
is seen for what it is, something you simply made up and passed off as 
real. Wow, strange world you live in. If you can;t put your source up 
for examination and discussion, then it is clearly phony.

But I don't believe it exists.
> 

> >
> > > > I don't think so - no one could even make this stuff up. I think you
> > > > "where" wrong, "your" prone to such idiocy.
> >
> > > Incase you hadn't notice I have been putting it every post I have
> > > made. Maybe its just your just so gullable.
> >
> > Really. Yup, we ALL believe this.
> 
> So just who is this ALL you are refering too and what gives you the
> right to speak on their behalf?

I am "refering" to anyone with two neurones firing who has been 
following this nonsense.
> 
> >
> >

> >
> > > > > > What "they" are? Or what "it" is? You just don't have a clue.
> >
> > > > > Maybe I will join TMS then. They are an illiterate lot after all.
> >
> > > > Why don't you give it a shot? Somehow, I doubt that you are good for 
> > > > the
> > > > annual dues.
> >
> > > Yeah thats right they are so exclusive. lol
> >
> > They would certainly exclude you. To me, that is about all that matters.
> >
> 
> lol, In the first year after graduation a graduate can join for free,
> that is exclusive! For a few dollars any clown can join. A company can
> even buy memberships on bulk.

Gosh, I  must really be getting to you if you have gone to all these 
lengths to find (half baked) information on the web. Of course, you 
forgot that the "graduate" has to be in the particular field, and 
company "membership" is corporate sponsorship. Clearly you don't you 
belong to any professional societies or you would have known about all 
this.
> 
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> >
> >
> > > > > > > > > Though using your own powers of deduction this must mean you 
> > > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > same level of education as me and are illiterate does it not?
> >
> > > > > > > > > Its fair to assume you are illiterate and uneducated. Though
> > > > > > > > > again
> > > > > > > > > clearly its not a mistake though I have without doubt proved 
> > > > > > > > > my
> > > > > > > > > point.
> >
> > > > > > > > In your dreams. You know, just standing on a street corner 
> > > > > > > > shouting
> > > > > > > > something does not eventually make it true. Lesson one.
> >
> > > > > > > Just like somebody has been saying "Due to" is a preposition.
> >
> > > > > > > All was using your use of grammar to determine that. After all, 
> > > > > > > isn't
> > > > > > > that what you have have been doing not just on this threa but
> > > > > > > others..
> > > > > > > I thought I warned you of the dangerous of spelling or grammar
> > > > > > > flaming.
> >
> > > > > > Could you repeat this paragraph in actual English, please? As it is
> > > > > > now,
> > > > > > it is incomprehensible.
> >
> > > > > Not too bright are you. Do you think I am doing this dilberetly! So I
> > > > > can once again resurrect some of your speeling or grammatical errors.
> > > > > Do you think there are any plants in this post. lol
> >
> > > > Oh, now we are trying to lay a smokescreen. Come on, no one is dumb
> > > > enough to fall for that, just as no one is fool enough to believe your
> > > > earlier denials.
> >
> > > lol, you have been falling for it on quite a few occasions yourself.
> >
> > Sure, sure.
> 
> yews it is sure.
> 
> >
> >
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Number one, please remember that is it "The" Ohio State
> > > > > > > > > > > > University.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Number two, I give you an address to send the $100 
> > > > > > > > > > > > check
> > > > > > > > > > > > to. I
> > > > > > > > > > > > don't
> > > > > > > > > > > > need your money, so I would like you to send it in my 
> > > > > > > > > > > > name
> > > > > > > > > > > > to:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > The Muscular Dystrophy Association
> > > > > > > > > > > > 960 Kingsmill Parkway
> > > > > > > > > > > > Columbus, OH 43229
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > (614) 436-7744
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Let me know when you have sent it, and I will put them 
> > > > > > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > > > > alert
> > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > expect it. At least this way some good will come out of
> > > > > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > > nonsense.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > End of story.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > lol, what a knob and just how have you proved your 
> > > > > > > > > > > identity?
> > > > > > > > > > > What
> > > > > > > > > > > after several request you have actually not even made an
> > > > > > > > > > > attempt.
> > > > > > > > > > > How
> > > > > > > > > > > could you expect me to believe an associate Dean could be
> > > > > > > > > > > illiterate.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > Oh, tiresome little man, go find Seimi and chat with him. 
> > > > > > > > > > He'll
> > > > > > > > > > do
> > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > an independent third party, and I'll provide him with 
> > > > > > > > > > evidence.
> > > > > > > > > > However,
> > > > > > > > > > I suspect you'll find more lies to wriggle your way out 
> > > > > > > > > > with.
> > > > > > > > > > Of
> > > > > > > > > > course, you could simply apologize.
> >
> > > > > > > > > So you think a post from an anonymous person is proof of your
> > > > > > > > > identity. Clearly you have noway of proving you identidy to 
> > > > > > > > > me or
> > > > > > > > > anyone else unless you physically meet them. As for taking 
> > > > > > > > > you at
> > > > > > > > > your
> > > > > > > > > word well its clear you full of shit and lack the literacy 
> > > > > > > > > skills
> > > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > expect everyone else to display on an informal forum.
> >
> > > > > > > > > You have had ample time to prove your identidy and you have 
> > > > > > > > > not.
> >
> > > > > > > > Well, unlike you, I don't really feel the need to hide like a
> > > > > > > > schoolboy
> > > > > > > > behind some phony moniker. It's there for all to see. You are
> > > > > > > > simply
> > > > > > > > wiggling again. But I can see why you would want to.
> >
> > > > > > > lol, no instead you hide behind a another persons id!.
> >
> > > > > > Really. Is that the best you can do to weasel out of this? 
> > > > > > Pathetic.
> >
> > > > > Well you claim you could prove it. So where is your drivers license 
> > > > > or
> > > > > passport with a utility bill.  I think we should call you illiterate
> > > > > boy from now on.  The grammar flamer who clearly does not even know
> > > > > that "Due to" can be used as a preposition. The claims and spelling
> > > > > mistakes you have made still crack me up. I really shouldn't keep
> > > > > bringing this up though your reaction is just so funny.
> >
> > > > Where would you like them to be sent to? Easily done. By the way, lots
> > > > of people use "due to" as a preposition - I don't deny it. While it
> > > > might be acceptable to the less than fully literate, as Gowers would
> > > > say, it just doesn't happen to be grammatically correct, that's all.
> >
> > > Again nothing more than nonsense, Gower, Fowler etc are out of date.
> > > Even Gower however recognised that change was in the air.
> >
> > > "Fowler, remarking that the prepositional use of due to was "now as
> > > common as can be" said "perhaps idiom will beat the illiterates;
> > > perhaps the illiterates will beat idiom; our grandsons will know". Now
> > > that this construction may be found in The Times and is freely used by
> > > BBC announcers, it seems clear that idiom is fighting a losing
> > > battle."
> >
> > Perhaps, but he still maintains that such degraded usage would be a
> > triumph for the illiterates. Judging by your string of posts, he was
> > clearly correct.
> 
> None of these authors have the authority to define English as a
> language. Since there is no authority on the English language literacy
> can only be defined by common usage. This is clearly shown in all
> major dictionaries and even updated versions of Fowler.  Your in no
> position to tell a person that they are illiterate based on an out of
> date, inappropriate dogma.

I'm not - Fowler is. Go whine at him.
> 
> 

> > > - The Complete Plain Words by Sir Ernest Gowers-IX. The Handling Of
> > > Words
> >
> > > "There are several other contrasts kept artificially alive by grammar
> > > books and stylistic manuals - such as the difference between due to
> > > and owing to, like and as (like/as I was saying ... ), or will and
> > > shall. But at least in these cases, the language has been changing in
> > > recent decades - and is still changing."
> >
> > > The reality is its not your position to determine what is or what is
> > > not good grammar. There is no governing body of the English language
> > > and clearly it gas evolved beyond you.
> >
> > "Its" anyone's right to draw attention to incorrect, sloppy usage of the
> > language. And no, English "gas" not evolved beyond me, nor beyond
> > Gowers. He draws a clear distinction between what is correct, and what
> > is commonplace, but incorrect, usage. That's where the "illiterates"
> > come in again.
> >
> 
> Again I put it to you that you used "Due to" as a preposition and
> therefore must be illiterate. Also can you tell me who and when Fowler
> was given the job of the authority on the english language.

Aaah, now we try to question the source. One, he has been an accepted 
authority for decades, and two, he clearly knows a damn sight more about 
the language than you do. End of story.
> 
> 
> >
> >
> > > > > > > > > > Well, at least we have established that you are a welsher, 
> > > > > > > > > > pure
> > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > simple.- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > > > > > > > > The term welsher I think is pretty derogatory and many welsh
> > > > > > > > > people
> > > > > > > > > would be severally insulted by it. Maybe you should appolgise 
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > all
> > > > > > > > > the Welsh people though I doubt to have any moral courage for
> > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > either.
> >
> > > > > > > > Oh, dear, you seem to have run into an etymological problem 
> > > > > > > > again.
> > > > > > > > Let
> > > > > > > > me help you with the OED:
> >
> > > > > > > > "welsh, welch, v.i. & t. (Of loser of bet, esp. bookmaker) 
> > > > > > > > decamp
> > > > > > > > without paying; hence ~ER n. [19th. c.; orig. unkn]
> >
> > > > > > > > Nothing to do with Wales or the Welsh. Sorry.
> >
> > > > > > > tut tut I would have expected you to have at least sought the 
> > > > > > > origins
> > > > > > > of the word. Do you think you where baited again.
> >
> > > > > > > The term comes from a group of English bookmakers who absconded 
> > > > > > > over
> > > > > > > to Wales to avoid having to pay out on a lot of long shots who 
> > > > > > > came
> > > > > > > in. This term became popular later when Edward Prince of Wales
> > > > > > > refused
> > > > > > > to pay a few outstanding gambling debts.  The english used many 
> > > > > > > terms
> > > > > > > that the Welsh find offensive such as "Welsh Rabbit" etc. Welsh
> > > > > > > language magazine in the early 90s started a campaign in the US 
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > get
> > > > > > > the term "Welsher" banned as racist.
> >
> > > > > > Sorry, but no. Sometimes relying on over hasty Googling can get you 
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > trouble. And it is "Welsh Rarebit", not Welsh Rabbit", FYI. 
> > > > > > Finally, no
> > > > > > one ever said the Welsh language brigade were particularly smart, 
> > > > > > or
> > > > > > had
> > > > > > a sense of humour.
> >
> > > > > tut tut tut, another howler, do you not have any common sense at all.
> > > > > Its so easy to bait you its not even a challenge anymore.  Clearly 
> > > > > you
> > > > > have no idea of the origins of "Welsh rabbit" and just as with 
> > > > > grammar
> > > > > are in no position to comment. So I would kindly ask you to keep your
> > > > > racist slurs to yourself please.
> >
> > > > There - my turn to catch you! Done - see "Fowler's Modern English 
> > > > Usage"
> > > > for the correct explanation, under "True and False Etymology". Wasn't
> > > > hard, was it?
> >
> > > maybe you should provide a full quote then.
> >
> > I believe it is page 112 or 114 - I don't have mine with me here. Go
> > take a look for yourself.
> >
> 
> sorry you need to quote as my Welsh language magazine claims Fowler
> said "Welsh Rabbit is amusing and right," and "and Welsh Rarebit is
> stupid and wrong".

Yes, that's on page 114 - check it for yourself. Your Welsh language 
magazine is clearly ripping off Fowler if they did not cite their source 
precisely. It's called plagiarism.
>
> > > > > > > > Bluster, bluster, bluster. Like I say, set up any independent 
> > > > > > > > third
> > > > > > > > party to verify identity (seeing as you are so determined to 
> > > > > > > > welsh
> > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > the bet). Loser to pay his/her costs.
> >
> > > > > > > > The MDA is really looking forward to your donation.
> >
> > > > > > > > William Clark
> >
> > > > > > > So can you quote me where I agreed to those terms!
> >
> > > > > > > You know its only $100 how can you refuse to pay upto the Foyle
> > > > > > > Hospice. tut tut tut.
> >
> > > > > > Aah, so now you are trying to deny the challenge in the first 
> > > > > > place.
> > > > > > Very innovative, but entirely predictable. Oh, and how come you 
> > > > > > excised
> > > > > > the bit about the third party arbitrator? Getting a little too warm 
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > you, is it? Let's do that - loser pays the abitrator's costs.
> >
> > > > > lol,  well terms have to be agreed before they can be excised and
> > > > > clearly I will accept a third party arbitrator when he/she gives me
> > > > > his drivers license/passport along with a utility bill and of course
> > > > > with your  drivers license/passport and a utility bill. This is
> > > > > standard proof of identity and proof of address. These are clearly 
> > > > > the
> > > > > terms I put before you before so why have you as of yet failed to
> > > > > prove your identity?
> >
> > > > > Are you really so niave to think an anonymous poster here proves
> > > > > anything. How can you prove you attented Oxford if you cannot even
> > > > > prove your identity.

I didn't "attent" it, I attended it.
> >
> > > > Again, just tell me the name of the third party arbitrator who will
> > > > examine the proof, and we'll go from there. You pick them - that way 
> > > > you
> > > > can confirm their ID yourself. How many times do I have to say it?
> >
> > > > William Clark
> >
> > > My mate Marty, he says he will meet you at any airport in Derry though
> > > don't forget your utility bill for display along side your passport.
> >
> > Sorry, not verifiable as a sufficiently independent arbitrator. Tell you
> > what, you meet me at the airport in Columbus, and my buddy who plays
> > lineman for the Cleveland Browns will be happy to exchange and verify
> > the information. I don't think even you will be foolish enough to try to
> > welch/welsh on him.
> 
> 
> "Like I say, set up any independent third party to verify identity"
> thats what you said and I have set up my independent  third party
> arbitrator as you stated. Still using the racist remarks I see, now
> you can't play the ignorance card as I have already pointed out how
> many welsh people find it offensive. What have you got against the
> Welsh. I am from Northern Ireland, raised in the bogside in Derry so
> sorry if I laugh at your pathetic Cleveland Browns lineman man thinly
> veiled threat.


Like I said, your buddy does not qualify as "independent". Nothing to do 
with racism (oh, what a martyr you are), just a suspicion that he is 
biased. Pick a lawyer or notary - someone whose neutrality can be relied 
upon - loser to pay. And don't think you can make me nervous with all 
this blather about the Bogside. I know what it is, I've been there more 
times than you care to think. Whoopee.
> 
> >
> > Otherwise just withdraw the claim and apologize. It's that easy.
> >
> 
> Again you have had weeks to prove your identity and you cannot. You
> know the address of the "Foyle Hospice"

Sad, sad, sad.
> 
> > William Clark