On 26 Oct, 14:53, "William A. T. Clark" 
wrote:
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>  freeireland  wrote:
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> > > > > OK, so we have established once and for all that you don't have the
> > > > > nerve to follow through on your childish, empty. bluster. I thought not
> > > > > - talk is cheap on the Usenet, but it is too bad you can't stand by it.
> > > > > You are gratuitously offensive, but then when called on it, you
> > > > > can't/won't back it up, and you take your ball and run home to Mummy.
> > > > > You simply don't have the balls to stand by what you said, do you?
>
> > > > > William Clark
>
> > > > lol, this is a rant. I predicted a fair few posts back you would bring
> > > > my mother into it at some stage.
>
> > > Well, I'm glad to hear you have one. I was beginning to wonder.
>
> > Your just predictable.
>
> > > > As evidence I will require, your original driving license, passport, a
> > > > utility bill, meet you in person, original copy of all your education
> > > > certificates and especially the doctorate from Oxford University,
> > > > England. Photographs of you over at least a two year period at on
> > > > Oxford university campus verified by the dean of the university. An
> > > > original letter from the dean with similar credentials from him, eg
> > > > driving license, passport etc.
>
> > > > Ps I need them by Monday as I will be out of the country from Tuesday
> > > > for a few weeks.
>
> > > Oh, nice try. Let's start with the obvious - The University of Oxford
> > > doesn't have a "dean".
> > > I would have thought someone who parades
> > > themselves as such an expert on things educational would know that.
> > > Secondly, you don't "require" anything by any date, especially when it
> > > is just one more attempt to weasel out of your bluster. Pathetic, simply
> > > pathetic, and the hallmark of a loser.
>
> > > Actually, the concern about "getting the money" should come from me, not
> > > you. How can I guarantee payment from you when you wriggle out of every
> > > effort to complete the wager?
>
> > Just prove it then? You will never prove it to my satisfaction and you
> > will never pay up! thats a reality!
>
> In other words, you will simply refuse to pay. I thought so.
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> > Well you have yet to say how payment could happen?
>
> You can send me a check - I will be happy to give you an address to send
> it to.

lol, yeah I'll send you  a cheque with bank account details. Though I
wouldn't hold my breath.



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> > > > > > Its bananas you expect me to take a wager where I would never get
> > > > > > paid. Besides I doubt you could ever prove it to my satisfaction.
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> > > > > I could certainly prove it one way or the other. Am I bluffing? Are you
> > > > > brave enough to find out? I
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> > How could you prove it and how could you pay me?
>
> So you want me to give you the answer BEFORE you commit to seeing your
> wager through? Very clever - once I do you will simply welsh on the bet
> yet again. No, you made the claim, now be prepared to stand by it, or
> else retract and apologize.

lol, You have yet to even say what would be acceptable as proof or how
you would transfer money to me if I won? How would you even prove your
identity? what sort of fool tries to make a wager without defining
winning or losing conditions? A bookmaker you are not!

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Again avoiding the real issue you being a self appointed critque of
other peoples spelling or grammar. Yet you can't even tell me where
the rules the English language are actually defined.  Even type in
"Due to" in Microsoft Office then select Synonyms and "Because of" and
"Owing to" are top of the list. Who are you to tell the British
government, the Queen, British legislators, all major dictionaries,
universities, authors, journalists, the British education system and
world famous organisations such as the BBC and the Times that owing to
is not acceptable as a preposition? What gives you that right? What
gives you the right to be critical of others grammatical errors when
you make errors yourself and make wild incorrect claims as I have
clearly highlighted. The only quote you can make was written in 1926
along time for an evolving language. Who are you to tell the English
how English should be spoken?


Your not even decent enough to retract your statement "'Due to' is
really not correct in any context in which it cannot be replaced by
'caused by'".  do you have no moral courage at all?

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 freeireland  wrote:

> > > Heres another "Be careful when choosing OSU for college. Not only does
> > > Ohio have the most expensive instate tuition, the teachers are not
> > > helpful at all. I am transferring to another college after 2 years. I
> > > felt like I wasted time at OSU. Also this university has a disregard
> > > for student safety. A student died in an dorm elevator accident. There
> > > were many complaints about the elevator before the accident. Also,
> > > other elevators were on campus were found to be unsafe. It's all about
> > > profit for the university."
> >
> > Oh, dear, so you dig up the comments of some eighteen year old idiot,
> > who cannot even get the facts straight. Find this on "RateMyProf" or
> > some such garbage  site, did you? I notice you still refrain from giving
> > the URL - perhaps this is about Ohio University, too? Please cite the
> > reference - if it exists.
> 
> As far as I am aware no student has died in a lift at Ohio University
> or is it referred to as OSU. 18 year old idiot mmm, did you hear that
> in the childrens playground.

So? Then you can provide the citation to the "comments". if they 
actually exist. Either give the URL, or withdraw the quote as the 
figment of your imagination, which I suspect it is.
> 
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> >
> > By the way, you are as ignorant about college tuition in Ohio and the US
> > as you are about everything else, and as is this genius you quote. I
> > suggest you go look up the actual figures before spouting off - it just
> > makes you look dumb.
> >
> 
> figures can be manipulated to say whatever you want. You had a prime
> chance to put a case forward to show how good Ohio State University is
> though instead revert to childish name calling about some person you
> clearly know nothing about. Clearly a associate Dean would have more
> intelligence and not be so obtuse. If by some chance you where I think
> that would be clearly put some weight behind the student I quoted.

I don't need a case, since you have provided absolutely nothing to 
answer! Again, give me the citation, and I will then give you the 
correct data in return. And whatever I "where", I notice that you made 
sure to snip your original absurd claim, just in case anyone had so much 
time on their hands that they might think it worth trying to verify.
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> >
> >
> > > > > > Your sick attempt at laughing at a genuine tragedy is disgusting. 
> > > > > > I'm
> > > > > > sure you laughed like a drain, too, when some of your "heroes" got
> > > > > > blown
> > > > > > up while making bombs to kill others.
> >
> > > > > Again how little you know me, and I certainly never laughed at it, I
> > > > > just asked a genuine question. So I will take that as an affirmitive.
> > > > > Not good for the old safety record is it.  I have never had a any 
> > > > > hero
> > > > > make a bomb at all and thats nothing more than a lame discredit by
> > > > > association flame. Yawn like thats never been tried before. The one
> > > > > thing I will give you credit for is a severe lake of imagination.
> >
> > > > Indeed, I have an enormous "lake" of imagination - it positively
> > > > overfloweth. Yours is a miserable trickle by comparison.
> >
> > > lol, you think you where baited again, your like a goldfish swimming
> > > around a bowl.
> >
> > I don't think so - no one could even make this stuff up. I think you
> > "where" wrong, "your" prone to such idiocy.
> >
> 
> Incase you hadn't notice I have been putting it every post I have
> made. Maybe its just your just so gullable.

Really. Yup, we ALL believe this.
> 
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> >
> >
> > > > > > > > > Your in no position to comment on anyones literacy with your
> > > > > > > > > spelling
> > > > > > > > > or wild untrue accusations.
> >
> > > > > > > > "Your" not in any position to make accusations on this score.
> >
> > > > > > > > Oh, you're a busy little boy, aren't you? I have no 
> > > > > > > > recollection of
> > > > > > > > this, but if I did it in a rush to move on from replying to the
> > > > > > > > kind of
> > > > > > > > drivel you post, then I was clearly wrong. At least I admit it.
> >
> > > > > > > lol, don't worry there are a good few of them. Do you think TMS 
> > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > few.
> >
> > > > > > TMS? Do you even know what that is? I thought not, seeing as it is 
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > "professional" society with strict admission standards.
> >
> > > > > I certainly know what they are. You should goto the TMS web site and
> > > > > in the search type "Due to". You should see all the uneducated
> > > > > illiterates according to your twisted english that are post there.
> > > > > Even scientific papers use "Due to" as a preposition in the title on
> > > > > that website.
> >
> > > > What "they" are? Or what "it" is? You just don't have a clue.
> >
> > > Maybe I will join TMS then. They are an illiterate lot after all.
> >
> > Why don't you give it a shot? Somehow, I doubt that you are good for the
> > annual dues.
> >
> 
> Yeah thats right they are so exclusive. lol

They would certainly exclude you. To me, that is about all that matters.
> 
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> >
> > > > > > > Though using your own powers of deduction this must mean you have 
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > same level of education as me and are illiterate does it not?
> >
> > > > > > > Its fair to assume you are illiterate and uneducated. Though 
> > > > > > > again
> > > > > > > clearly its not a mistake though I have without doubt proved my
> > > > > > > point.
> >
> > > > > > In your dreams. You know, just standing on a street corner shouting
> > > > > > something does not eventually make it true. Lesson one.
> >
> > > > > Just like somebody has been saying "Due to" is a preposition.
> >
> > > > > All was using your use of grammar to determine that. After all, isn't
> > > > > that what you have have been doing not just on this threa but 
> > > > > others..
> > > > > I thought I warned you of the dangerous of spelling or grammar
> > > > > flaming.
> >
> > > > Could you repeat this paragraph in actual English, please? As it is 
> > > > now,
> > > > it is incomprehensible.
> >
> > > Not too bright are you. Do you think I am doing this dilberetly! So I
> > > can once again resurrect some of your speeling or grammatical errors.
> > > Do you think there are any plants in this post. lol
> >
> > Oh, now we are trying to lay a smokescreen. Come on, no one is dumb
> > enough to fall for that, just as no one is fool enough to believe your
> > earlier denials.
> 
> lol, you have been falling for it on quite a few occasions yourself.

Sure, sure.
> 
> 
> >
> > > > > > > > > > Number one, please remember that is it "The" Ohio State
> > > > > > > > > > University.
> > > > > > > > > > Number two, I give you an address to send the $100 check 
> > > > > > > > > > to. I
> > > > > > > > > > don't
> > > > > > > > > > need your money, so I would like you to send it in my name 
> > > > > > > > > > to:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > The Muscular Dystrophy Association
> > > > > > > > > > 960 Kingsmill Parkway
> > > > > > > > > > Columbus, OH 43229
> >
> > > > > > > > > > (614) 436-7744
> >
> > > > > > > > > > Let me know when you have sent it, and I will put them on 
> > > > > > > > > > alert
> > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > expect it. At least this way some good will come out of 
> > > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > nonsense.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > End of story.
> >
> > > > > > > > > lol, what a knob and just how have you proved your identity?  
> > > > > > > > > What
> > > > > > > > > after several request you have actually not even made an 
> > > > > > > > > attempt.
> > > > > > > > > How
> > > > > > > > > could you expect me to believe an associate Dean could be
> > > > > > > > > illiterate.
> >
> > > > > > > > Oh, tiresome little man, go find Seimi and chat with him. He'll 
> > > > > > > > do
> > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > an independent third party, and I'll provide him with evidence.
> > > > > > > > However,
> > > > > > > > I suspect you'll find more lies to wriggle your way out with.  
> > > > > > > > Of
> > > > > > > > course, you could simply apologize.
> >
> > > > > > > So you think a post from an anonymous person is proof of your
> > > > > > > identity. Clearly you have noway of proving you identidy to me or
> > > > > > > anyone else unless you physically meet them. As for taking you at
> > > > > > > your
> > > > > > > word well its clear you full of shit and lack the literacy skills 
> > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > expect everyone else to display on an informal forum.
> >
> > > > > > > You have had ample time to prove your identidy and you have not.
> >
> > > > > > Well, unlike you, I don't really feel the need to hide like a 
> > > > > > schoolboy
> > > > > > behind some phony moniker. It's there for all to see. You are 
> > > > > > simply
> > > > > > wiggling again. But I can see why you would want to.
> >
> > > > > lol, no instead you hide behind a another persons id!.
> >
> > > > Really. Is that the best you can do to weasel out of this? Pathetic.
> >
> > > Well you claim you could prove it. So where is your drivers license or
> > > passport with a utility bill.  I think we should call you illiterate
> > > boy from now on.  The grammar flamer who clearly does not even know
> > > that "Due to" can be used as a preposition. The claims and spelling
> > > mistakes you have made still crack me up. I really shouldn't keep
> > > bringing this up though your reaction is just so funny.
> >
> > Where would you like them to be sent to? Easily done. By the way, lots
> > of people use "due to" as a preposition - I don't deny it. While it
> > might be acceptable to the less than fully literate, as Gowers would
> > say, it just doesn't happen to be grammatically correct, that's all.
> >
> 
> Again nothing more than nonsense, Gower, Fowler etc are out of date.
> Even Gower however recognised that change was in the air.
> 
> "Fowler, remarking that the prepositional use of due to was "now as
> common as can be" said "perhaps idiom will beat the illiterates;
> perhaps the illiterates will beat idiom; our grandsons will know". Now
> that this construction may be found in The Times and is freely used by
> BBC announcers, it seems clear that idiom is fighting a losing
> battle."

Perhaps, but he still maintains that such degraded usage would be a 
triumph for the illiterates. Judging by your string of posts, he was 
clearly correct.
> 
> - The Complete Plain Words by Sir Ernest Gowers-IX. The Handling Of
> Words
> 
> "There are several other contrasts kept artificially alive by grammar
> books and stylistic manuals - such as the difference between due to
> and owing to, like and as (like/as I was saying ... ), or will and
> shall. But at least in these cases, the language has been changing in
> recent decades - and is still changing."
> 
> 
> The reality is its not your position to determine what is or what is
> not good grammar. There is no governing body of the English language
> and clearly it gas evolved beyond you.

"Its" anyone's right to draw attention to incorrect, sloppy usage of the 
language. And no, English "gas" not evolved beyond me, nor beyond 
Gowers. He draws a clear distinction between what is correct, and what 
is commonplace, but incorrect, usage. That's where the "illiterates" 
come in again.
> 
> > > > > > > > Well, at least we have established that you are a welsher, pure 
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > simple.- Hide quoted text -
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> > > > > > > The term welsher I think is pretty derogatory and many welsh 
> > > > > > > people
> > > > > > > would be severally insulted by it. Maybe you should appolgise to 
> > > > > > > all
> > > > > > > the Welsh people though I doubt to have any moral courage for 
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > either.
> >
> > > > > > Oh, dear, you seem to have run into an etymological problem again. 
> > > > > > Let
> > > > > > me help you with the OED:
> >
> > > > > > "welsh, welch, v.i. & t. (Of loser of bet, esp. bookmaker) decamp
> > > > > > without paying; hence ~ER n. [19th. c.; orig. unkn]
> >
> > > > > > Nothing to do with Wales or the Welsh. Sorry.
> >
> > > > > tut tut I would have expected you to have at least sought the origins
> > > > > of the word. Do you think you where baited again.
> >
> > > > > The term comes from a group of English bookmakers who absconded over
> > > > > to Wales to avoid having to pay out on a lot of long shots who came
> > > > > in. This term became popular later when Edward Prince of Wales 
> > > > > refused
> > > > > to pay a few outstanding gambling debts.  The english used many terms
> > > > > that the Welsh find offensive such as "Welsh Rabbit" etc. Welsh
> > > > > language magazine in the early 90s started a campaign in the US to 
> > > > > get
> > > > > the term "Welsher" banned as racist.
> >
> > > > Sorry, but no. Sometimes relying on over hasty Googling can get you in
> > > > trouble. And it is "Welsh Rarebit", not Welsh Rabbit", FYI. Finally, no
> > > > one ever said the Welsh language brigade were particularly smart, or 
> > > > had
> > > > a sense of humour.
> >
> > > tut tut tut, another howler, do you not have any common sense at all.
> > > Its so easy to bait you its not even a challenge anymore.  Clearly you
> > > have no idea of the origins of "Welsh rabbit" and just as with grammar
> > > are in no position to comment. So I would kindly ask you to keep your
> > > racist slurs to yourself please.
> >
> > There - my turn to catch you! Done - see "Fowler's Modern English Usage"
> > for the correct explanation, under "True and False Etymology". Wasn't
> > hard, was it?
> 
> maybe you should provide a full quote then.

I believe it is page 112 or 114 - I don't have mine with me here. Go 
take a look for yourself.
> 
> > > > > > > Clearly you cannot prove your identidy to me, I named my terms of 
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > wager and you failed to meet them. Now just pay up.
> >
> > > > > > Bluster, bluster, bluster. Like I say, set up any independent third
> > > > > > party to verify identity (seeing as you are so determined to welsh 
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > the bet). Loser to pay his/her costs.
> >
> > > > > > The MDA is really looking forward to your donation.
> >
> > > > > > William Clark
> >
> > > > > So can you quote me where I agreed to those terms!
> >
> > > > > You know its only $100 how can you refuse to pay upto the Foyle
> > > > > Hospice. tut tut tut.
> >
> > > > Aah, so now you are trying to deny the challenge in the first place.
> > > > Very innovative, but entirely predictable. Oh, and how come you excised
> > > > the bit about the third party arbitrator? Getting a little too warm for
> > > > you, is it? Let's do that - loser pays the abitrator's costs.
> >
> > > lol,  well terms have to be agreed before they can be excised and
> > > clearly I will accept a third party arbitrator when he/she gives me
> > > his drivers license/passport along with a utility bill and of course
> > > with your  drivers license/passport and a utility bill. This is
> > > standard proof of identity and proof of address. These are clearly the
> > > terms I put before you before so why have you as of yet failed to
> > > prove your identity?
> >
> > > Are you really so niave to think an anonymous poster here proves
> > > anything. How can you prove you attented Oxford if you cannot even
> > > prove your identity.
> >
> > Again, just tell me the name of the third party arbitrator who will
> > examine the proof, and we'll go from there. You pick them - that way you
> > can confirm their ID yourself. How many times do I have to say it?
> >
> > William Clark
> 
> My mate Marty, he says he will meet you at any airport in Derry though
> don't forget your utility bill for display along side your passport.

Sorry, not verifiable as a sufficiently independent arbitrator. Tell you 
what, you meet me at the airport in Columbus, and my buddy who plays 
lineman for the Cleveland Browns will be happy to exchange and verify 
the information. I don't think even you will be foolish enough to try to 
welch/welsh on him.

Otherwise just withdraw the claim and apologize. It's that easy.

William Clark