Scríobh "Falcon" :
>
>Westprog wrote:
>
>> "Falcon"  wrote in message
>> news:fei3lr$772$1@aioe.org...
>>>
>>> Nik wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 9 Oct 2007 10:38:10 +0100, "Westprog" 
>>>> wrote:
>>> [...]
>>>>> Now that the thirty year war to establish a police omsbudsman is at an
>>>>> end,
>>>>
>>>> Tell me please, Westie, what you would have done if you were one of
>>>> the Bombay Street residents in 1969.
>>> [...]
>>>
>>> He's British at heart. He would have bombed Dresden.
>>
>> I suggest Nik would do well to research how Martin Luther King reacted
>> when the KKK blew up a church and killed a number of small girls. (Hint -
>> he didn't ask Canada to ship him guns).
>
>The Northern Ireland Civil Rights Association was inspired by the 
>African-American Civil Rights Movement. However there is little evidence to 
>suggest that the AACCRM regularly employed gunmen to fire on police officers 
>or soldiers during riots, or considered mounting a 30-year bombing campaign 
>to achieve their aims. 

For clarity's sake, it should be added that there's no evidence NICRA
regularly employed gunmen etc either. After things fell apart, the
NICRA campaigners went on to become members of Alliance and the SDLP.

>The IRA terror campaign was never about civil rights 
>and it was never about Bombay Street.


-- 
'Donegal:  Up Here It's Different'
© Féachadóir

On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 13:53:29 +0100, Féachadóir <Féach@d.óir> wrote:

>Scríobh "Falcon" :
>>
>>Westprog wrote:
>>
>>> "Falcon"  wrote in message
>>> news:fei3lr$772$1@aioe.org...
>>>>
>>>> Nik wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 9 Oct 2007 10:38:10 +0100, "Westprog" 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>> [...]
>>>>>> Now that the thirty year war to establish a police omsbudsman is at an
>>>>>> end,
>>>>>
>>>>> Tell me please, Westie, what you would have done if you were one of
>>>>> the Bombay Street residents in 1969.
>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>> He's British at heart. He would have bombed Dresden.
>>>
>>> I suggest Nik would do well to research how Martin Luther King reacted
>>> when the KKK blew up a church and killed a number of small girls. (Hint -
>>> he didn't ask Canada to ship him guns).
>>
>>The Northern Ireland Civil Rights Association was inspired by the 
>>African-American Civil Rights Movement. However there is little evidence to 
>>suggest that the AACCRM regularly employed gunmen to fire on police officers 
>>or soldiers during riots, or considered mounting a 30-year bombing campaign 
>>to achieve their aims. 
>
>For clarity's sake, it should be added that there's no evidence NICRA
>regularly employed gunmen etc either. After things fell apart, the
>NICRA campaigners went on to become members of Alliance and the SDLP.

But yet Falcon is content to misrepresent the situation and attack
straw men.

Nik

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On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:35:08 +1300, Nik  wrote:

>On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 13:53:29 +0100, Féachadóir <Féach@d.óir> wrote:
>
>>Scríobh "Falcon" :
>>>
>>>Westprog wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Falcon"  wrote in message
>>>> news:fei3lr$772$1@aioe.org...

>>>> I suggest Nik would do well to research how Martin Luther King reacted
>>>> when the KKK blew up a church and killed a number of small girls. (Hint -
>>>> he didn't ask Canada to ship him guns).
>>>
>>>The Northern Ireland Civil Rights Association was inspired by the 
>>>African-American Civil Rights Movement. However there is little evidence to 
>>>suggest that the AACCRM regularly employed gunmen to fire on police officers 
>>>or soldiers during riots, or considered mounting a 30-year bombing campaign 
>>>to achieve their aims. 
>>
>>For clarity's sake, it should be added that there's no evidence NICRA
>>regularly employed gunmen etc either. After things fell apart, the
>>NICRA campaigners went on to become members of Alliance and the SDLP.
>
>But yet Falcon is content to misrepresent the situation and attack
>straw men.

I see thingy's (Féachadóir's) clarification didn't help you, anyway.
So far as I can see, only you and Harry act as though the IRA was
a branch of NICRA, and Harry isn't on this thread.

David H 

-- 
abend

"David H"  wrote in message 
news:470f8add.24554765@news.individual.net...
> On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:35:08 +1300, Nik  wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 13:53:29 +0100, Féachadóir <Féach@d.óir> wrote:
>>
>>>Scríobh "Falcon" :
>>>>
>>>>Westprog wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Falcon"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:fei3lr$772$1@aioe.org...
>
>>>>> I suggest Nik would do well to research how Martin Luther King reacted
>>>>> when the KKK blew up a church and killed a number of small girls. 
>>>>> (Hint -
>>>>> he didn't ask Canada to ship him guns).
>>>>
>>>>The Northern Ireland Civil Rights Association was inspired by the
>>>>African-American Civil Rights Movement. However there is little evidence 
>>>>to
>>>>suggest that the AACCRM regularly employed gunmen to fire on police 
>>>>officers
>>>>or soldiers during riots, or considered mounting a 30-year bombing 
>>>>campaign
>>>>to achieve their aims.
>>>
>>>For clarity's sake, it should be added that there's no evidence NICRA
>>>regularly employed gunmen etc either. After things fell apart, the
>>>NICRA campaigners went on to become members of Alliance and the SDLP.
>>
>>But yet Falcon is content to misrepresent the situation and attack
>>straw men.
>
> I see thingy's (Féachadóir's) clarification didn't help you, anyway.
> So far as I can see, only you and Harry act as though the IRA was
> a branch of NICRA, and Harry isn't on this thread.
>
> David H


Give him a minute 'til he notices that someone mentioned his name ;-)
>
> -- 
> abend

eugene wrote:

> "David H"  wrote in message
> news:470f8add.24554765@news.individual.net...
>> On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:35:08 +1300, Nik  wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 13:53:29 +0100, Féachadóir <Féach@d.óir> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Scríobh "Falcon" :
>>>>>
>>>>> Westprog wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Falcon"  wrote in message
>>>>>> news:fei3lr$772$1@aioe.org...
>>
>>>>>> I suggest Nik would do well to research how Martin Luther King
>>>>>> reacted when the KKK blew up a church and killed a number of small
>>>>>> girls. (Hint - he didn't ask Canada to ship him guns).
>>>>>
>>>>> The Northern Ireland Civil Rights Association was inspired by the
>>>>> African-American Civil Rights Movement. However there is little
>>>>> evidence to suggest that the AACCRM regularly employed gunmen to fire 
>>>>> on police
>>>>> officers or soldiers during riots, or considered mounting a 30-year 
>>>>> bombing
>>>>> campaign to achieve their aims.
>>>>
>>>> For clarity's sake, it should be added that there's no evidence NICRA
>>>> regularly employed gunmen etc either. After things fell apart, the
>>>> NICRA campaigners went on to become members of Alliance and the SDLP.
>>>
>>> But yet Falcon is content to misrepresent the situation and attack
>>> straw men.
>>
>> I see thingy's (Féachadóir's) clarification didn't help you, anyway.
>> So far as I can see, only you and Harry act as though the IRA was
>> a branch of NICRA, and Harry isn't on this thread.

>
> Give him a minute 'til he notices that someone mentioned his name ;-)

All together now -
ROTFLMAO!

-- 
Falcon:
fide, sed cui vide. (L)
Armed Forces Memorial. Alrewas, Staffordshire.
http://xrl.us/AFMemorial (Link to news.bbc.co.uk)

On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 15:01:01 GMT, swelter@btinternet.com (David H)
wrote:

>On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:35:08 +1300, Nik  wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 13:53:29 +0100, Féachadóir <Féach@d.óir> wrote:
>>
>>>Scríobh "Falcon" :
>>>>
>>>>Westprog wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Falcon"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:fei3lr$772$1@aioe.org...
>
>>>>> I suggest Nik would do well to research how Martin Luther King reacted
>>>>> when the KKK blew up a church and killed a number of small girls. (Hint -
>>>>> he didn't ask Canada to ship him guns).
>>>>
>>>>The Northern Ireland Civil Rights Association was inspired by the 
>>>>African-American Civil Rights Movement. However there is little evidence to 
>>>>suggest that the AACCRM regularly employed gunmen to fire on police officers 
>>>>or soldiers during riots, or considered mounting a 30-year bombing campaign 
>>>>to achieve their aims. 
>>>
>>>For clarity's sake, it should be added that there's no evidence NICRA
>>>regularly employed gunmen etc either. After things fell apart, the
>>>NICRA campaigners went on to become members of Alliance and the SDLP.
>>
>>But yet Falcon is content to misrepresent the situation and attack
>>straw men.
>
>I see thingy's (Féachadóir's) clarification didn't help you, anyway.
>So far as I can see, only you and Harry act as though the IRA was
>a branch of NICRA,

What are you on about. I am well aware of the distinction between the
two groups.

Do feel free to make up more shite though eh, you're good at it...

ffs..

Nik

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Féachadóir wrote:
> Scríobh "Falcon" :
> 
>>Westprog wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Falcon"  wrote in message
>>>news:fei3lr$772$1@aioe.org...
>>>
>>>>Nik wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Tue, 9 Oct 2007 10:38:10 +0100, "Westprog" 
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>[...]
>>>>
>>>>>>Now that the thirty year war to establish a police omsbudsman is at an
>>>>>>end,
>>>>>
>>>>>Tell me please, Westie, what you would have done if you were one of
>>>>>the Bombay Street residents in 1969.
>>>>
>>>>[...]
>>>>
>>>>He's British at heart. He would have bombed Dresden.
>>>
>>>I suggest Nik would do well to research how Martin Luther King reacted
>>>when the KKK blew up a church and killed a number of small girls. (Hint -
>>>he didn't ask Canada to ship him guns).
>>
>>The Northern Ireland Civil Rights Association was inspired by the 
>>African-American Civil Rights Movement. However there is little evidence to 
>>suggest that the AACCRM regularly employed gunmen to fire on police officers 
>>or soldiers during riots, or considered mounting a 30-year bombing campaign 
>>to achieve their aims. 
> 
> 
> For clarity's sake, it should be added that there's no evidence NICRA
> regularly employed gunmen etc either. After things fell apart, the
> NICRA campaigners went on to become members of Alliance and the SDLP.


NICRA were formed ( and controlled ) by the IRA.

Scríobh Jürs :
>Féachadóir wrote:
>> Scríobh "Falcon" :
>> 
>>>Westprog wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Falcon"  wrote in message
>>>>news:fei3lr$772$1@aioe.org...
>>>>
>>>>>Nik wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Tue, 9 Oct 2007 10:38:10 +0100, "Westprog" 
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>[...]
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Now that the thirty year war to establish a police omsbudsman is at an
>>>>>>>end,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Tell me please, Westie, what you would have done if you were one of
>>>>>>the Bombay Street residents in 1969.
>>>>>
>>>>>[...]
>>>>>
>>>>>He's British at heart. He would have bombed Dresden.
>>>>
>>>>I suggest Nik would do well to research how Martin Luther King reacted
>>>>when the KKK blew up a church and killed a number of small girls. (Hint -
>>>>he didn't ask Canada to ship him guns).
>>>
>>>The Northern Ireland Civil Rights Association was inspired by the 
>>>African-American Civil Rights Movement. However there is little evidence to 
>>>suggest that the AACCRM regularly employed gunmen to fire on police officers 
>>>or soldiers during riots, or considered mounting a 30-year bombing campaign 
>>>to achieve their aims. 
>> 
>> 
>> For clarity's sake, it should be added that there's no evidence NICRA
>> regularly employed gunmen etc either. After things fell apart, the
>> NICRA campaigners went on to become members of Alliance and the SDLP.
>
>
>NICRA were formed ( and controlled ) by the IRA.

Of course they did. and they brought down the world towers.

-- 
'Donegal:  Up Here It's Different'
© Féachadóir

Féachadóir wrote:

> Scríobh Jürs :
>> Féachadóir wrote:
>>> Scríobh "Falcon" :
>>>
>>>> Westprog wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> "Falcon"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:fei3lr$772$1@aioe.org...
>>>>>
>>>>>> Nik wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, 9 Oct 2007 10:38:10 +0100, "Westprog"
>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now that the thirty year war to establish a police omsbudsman is
>>>>>>>> at an end,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tell me please, Westie, what you would have done if you were one of
>>>>>>> the Bombay Street residents in 1969.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He's British at heart. He would have bombed Dresden.
>>>>>
>>>>> I suggest Nik would do well to research how Martin Luther King reacted
>>>>> when the KKK blew up a church and killed a number of small girls.
>>>>> (Hint - he didn't ask Canada to ship him guns).
>>>>
>>>> The Northern Ireland Civil Rights Association was inspired by the
>>>> African-American Civil Rights Movement. However there is little
>>>> evidence to suggest that the AACCRM regularly employed gunmen to fire
>>>> on police officers or soldiers during riots, or considered mounting a
>>>> 30-year bombing campaign to achieve their aims.
>>>
>>> For clarity's sake, it should be added that there's no evidence NICRA
>>> regularly employed gunmen etc either. After things fell apart, the
>>> NICRA campaigners went on to become members of Alliance and the SDLP.
>>
>> NICRA were formed ( and controlled ) by the IRA.
>
> Of course they did. and they brought down the world towers.

I know how you feel. I often get the feeling that I'm living in some sort of 
parallel universe.

-- 
Falcon:
fide, sed cui vide. (L)
Armed Forces Memorial. Alrewas, Staffordshire.
http://xrl.us/AFMemorial (Link to news.bbc.co.uk)

Féachadóir wrote:
> Scríobh Jürs :
> 
>>Féachadóir wrote:
>>
>>>Scríobh "Falcon" :
>>>
>>>
>>>>Westprog wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"Falcon"  wrote in message
>>>>>news:fei3lr$772$1@aioe.org...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Nik wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Tue, 9 Oct 2007 10:38:10 +0100, "Westprog" 
>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>[...]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Now that the thirty year war to establish a police omsbudsman is at an
>>>>>>>>end,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Tell me please, Westie, what you would have done if you were one of
>>>>>>>the Bombay Street residents in 1969.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>[...]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>He's British at heart. He would have bombed Dresden.
>>>>>
>>>>>I suggest Nik would do well to research how Martin Luther King reacted
>>>>>when the KKK blew up a church and killed a number of small girls. (Hint -
>>>>>he didn't ask Canada to ship him guns).
>>>>
>>>>The Northern Ireland Civil Rights Association was inspired by the 
>>>>African-American Civil Rights Movement. However there is little evidence to 
>>>>suggest that the AACCRM regularly employed gunmen to fire on police officers 
>>>>or soldiers during riots, or considered mounting a 30-year bombing campaign 
>>>>to achieve their aims. 
>>>
>>>
>>>For clarity's sake, it should be added that there's no evidence NICRA
>>>regularly employed gunmen etc either. After things fell apart, the
>>>NICRA campaigners went on to become members of Alliance and the SDLP.
>>
>>
>>NICRA were formed ( and controlled ) by the IRA.
> 
> 
> Of course they did. and they brought down the world towers.
> 

The IRA formed NICRA and controlled it. I am afraid you are simply 
wrong. They did use communist allies to boost their executive numbers.

The formation of  NICRA was a long drawn out process and represented the 
stages strategy of the Goulding linked IRA at the time.

Féachadóir wrote:
> Scríobh Jürs :
> 
>>Féachadóir wrote:
>>
>>>Scríobh "Falcon" :
>>>
>>>
>>>>Westprog wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"Falcon"  wrote in message
>>>>>news:fei3lr$772$1@aioe.org...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Nik wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Tue, 9 Oct 2007 10:38:10 +0100, "Westprog" 
>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>[...]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Now that the thirty year war to establish a police omsbudsman is at an
>>>>>>>>end,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Tell me please, Westie, what you would have done if you were one of
>>>>>>>the Bombay Street residents in 1969.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>[...]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>He's British at heart. He would have bombed Dresden.
>>>>>
>>>>>I suggest Nik would do well to research how Martin Luther King reacted
>>>>>when the KKK blew up a church and killed a number of small girls. (Hint -
>>>>>he didn't ask Canada to ship him guns).
>>>>
>>>>The Northern Ireland Civil Rights Association was inspired by the 
>>>>African-American Civil Rights Movement. However there is little evidence to 
>>>>suggest that the AACCRM regularly employed gunmen to fire on police officers 
>>>>or soldiers during riots, or considered mounting a 30-year bombing campaign 
>>>>to achieve their aims. 
>>>
>>>
>>>For clarity's sake, it should be added that there's no evidence NICRA
>>>regularly employed gunmen etc either. After things fell apart, the
>>>NICRA campaigners went on to become members of Alliance and the SDLP.
>>
>>
>>NICRA were formed ( and controlled ) by the IRA.
> 
> 
> Of course they did. and they brought down the world towers.
> 

http://sluggerotoole.com/index.php/weblog/comments/the-first-step-is-to-act-with-good-authority-by-telling-the-truth-to-your-o/


Forty-one years ago, this weekend, I travelled to Maghera, Co Derry, 
with Dr Roy Johnston of the Republican movement’s think tank, the Wolfe 
Tone Society, and Cathal Goulding, chief of staff of the IRA, to attend 
a secret meeting of assorted academics, communists and IRA leaders, 
which was held at the fine farm of Kevin Agnew over the weekend of 
August 14-15 in the golden autumn of 1966.

Although I was not a member of the IRA, Eamon Maille’s book The 
Provisional IRA correctly records that at the Maghera meeting, I read 
out the comprehensive plan, drawn up by the Dublin Wolfe Tone Society, 
for setting up the Northern Ireland Civil Rights Association (NICRA), 
which Goulding hoped would both achieve civil rights and lead the 
Republican movement away from a narrow nationalist agenda.

While that peaceful project was thwarted by Unionist politicians like 
William Craig, and later by the equally bigoted nationalists like 
British-born Provo IRA intransigent Sean Mac Stiophain, there is no 
truth in the People’s Democracy claim that sectarian violence was 
inevitable. The Provisional IRA willed that worst scenario.