Isaak Orazio Gillespy is a coffee-fuelled gay nun in the wrong place at
the wrong time. Elvira Anna-Diana Schreier is a tomboy insomniac safe
cracker from the 23rd century. And together, they must save Elvis from
the Illinois Nazis.

New legislation banning discrimination against homosexuals should stand, a
Northern Ireland High Court judge has ruled.

Providers of goods, services and education can be fined up to £15,000 for
breaching regulations.

But the judge ruled that businesses cannot be prosecuted for voicing their
opposition to serving a gay or lesbian couple.

The verdict was hailed as a victory by Christian groups and gay activists alike.
Is it a victory for freedom of speech or a breakthrough for equality?

What say you?

Ray

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On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 10:40:08 -0400, "WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"
 wrote:

>New legislation banning discrimination against homosexuals should stand, a
>Northern Ireland High Court judge has ruled.
>
>Providers of goods, services and education can be fined up to £15,000 for
>breaching regulations.
>
>But the judge ruled that businesses cannot be prosecuted for voicing their
>opposition to serving a gay or lesbian couple.
>
>The verdict was hailed as a victory by Christian groups and gay activists alike.
>Is it a victory for freedom of speech or a breakthrough for equality?
>
>What say you?
>
>Ray

 I suppose I better get this ball rolling...  some good answers on the
website... But everyone is apparently so politically correct cowards that they
can't respond incase someone is "offended"...  How sad!

The law needs further refinement...  as it stands it can fine you for refusing
queers, yet not fine you for calling them queers you refuse to do any business
with...

I think government should stay the hell out of the way of business and let
business make contracts with those they feel comfortable working with....  Be
that queer, straight or what have you?  The government has NO business telling
us who we can and MUST do business with?

What say you now?

Ray

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Maimed, stark and misshapen, but ferociously tenacious - Edna O'Brien
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WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie> wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 10:40:08 -0400, "WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"
>  wrote:
>
>> New legislation banning discrimination against homosexuals should
>> stand, a Northern Ireland High Court judge has ruled.
>>
>> Providers of goods, services and education can be fined up to
>> £15,000 for breaching regulations.
>>
>> But the judge ruled that businesses cannot be prosecuted for voicing
>> their opposition to serving a gay or lesbian couple.
>>
>> The verdict was hailed as a victory by Christian groups and gay
>> activists alike. Is it a victory for freedom of speech or a
>> breakthrough for equality?
>>
>> What say you?
>>
>> Ray
>
> I suppose I better get this ball rolling...  some good answers on the
> website... But everyone is apparently so politically correct cowards
> that they can't respond incase someone is "offended"...  How sad!
>
> The law needs further refinement...  as it stands it can fine you for
> refusing queers, yet not fine you for calling them queers you refuse
> to do any business with...
>
> I think government should stay the hell out of the way of business
> and let business make contracts with those they feel comfortable
> working with....  Be that queer, straight or what have you?  The
> government has NO business telling us who we can and MUST do business
> with?
>
> What say you now?

I think you are disgusting, Ray, and you should keep your disgusting 
thoughts to yourself.

-- 
Hal Ó Mearadhaigh.

On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 19:10:34 +0100, "Hal Ó Mearadhaigh." 
wrote:

>WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie> wrote:
>> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 10:40:08 -0400, "WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> New legislation banning discrimination against homosexuals should
>>> stand, a Northern Ireland High Court judge has ruled.
>>>
>>> Providers of goods, services and education can be fined up to
>>> £15,000 for breaching regulations.
>>>
>>> But the judge ruled that businesses cannot be prosecuted for voicing
>>> their opposition to serving a gay or lesbian couple.
>>>
>>> The verdict was hailed as a victory by Christian groups and gay
>>> activists alike. Is it a victory for freedom of speech or a
>>> breakthrough for equality?
>>>
>>> What say you?
>>>
>>> Ray
>>
>> I suppose I better get this ball rolling...  some good answers on the
>> website... But everyone is apparently so politically correct cowards
>> that they can't respond incase someone is "offended"...  How sad!
>>
>> The law needs further refinement...  as it stands it can fine you for
>> refusing queers, yet not fine you for calling them queers you refuse
>> to do any business with...
>>
>> I think government should stay the hell out of the way of business
>> and let business make contracts with those they feel comfortable
>> working with....  Be that queer, straight or what have you?  The
>> government has NO business telling us who we can and MUST do business
>> with?
>>
>> What say you now?
>
>I think you are disgusting, Ray, and you should keep your disgusting 
>thoughts to yourself.

Sieg Heil!  Follow the "orders" - how dare I express "different" opinions or
express concern...  Did you polish your Iron Cross today Harry?

Ray

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On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 19:10:34 +0100, "Hal Ó Mearadhaigh." 
wrote:

>WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie> wrote:
>> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 10:40:08 -0400, "WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> New legislation banning discrimination against homosexuals should
>>> stand, a Northern Ireland High Court judge has ruled.
>>>
>>> Providers of goods, services and education can be fined up to
>>> £15,000 for breaching regulations.
>>>
>>> But the judge ruled that businesses cannot be prosecuted for voicing
>>> their opposition to serving a gay or lesbian couple.
>>>
>>> The verdict was hailed as a victory by Christian groups and gay
>>> activists alike. Is it a victory for freedom of speech or a
>>> breakthrough for equality?
>>>
>>> What say you?
>>>
>>> Ray
>>
>> I suppose I better get this ball rolling...  some good answers on the
>> website... But everyone is apparently so politically correct cowards
>> that they can't respond incase someone is "offended"...  How sad!
>>
>> The law needs further refinement...  as it stands it can fine you for
>> refusing queers, yet not fine you for calling them queers you refuse
>> to do any business with...
>>
>> I think government should stay the hell out of the way of business
>> and let business make contracts with those they feel comfortable
>> working with....  Be that queer, straight or what have you?  The
>> government has NO business telling us who we can and MUST do business
>> with?
>>
>> What say you now?
>
>I think you are disgusting, Ray, and you should keep your disgusting 
>thoughts to yourself.

On a different tract... do you believe the Government should be allowed and even
expected to intervene in everyday activity and tell every single person exactly
how the government expects you to live your life and how to think and what to
say and what to do and when to go to bed and what to eat?   What are you some
sort of drone??????????

Most people like to think for themselves Harry...  Try it someday...  You might
be surprised!!!!!

Ray

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"WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote in message 
news:1fbge3lqtukqjr4sqt2hkcji1nv99llvvh@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 19:10:34 +0100, "Hal Ó Mearadhaigh." 
> 
> wrote:
>
>>WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 10:40:08 -0400, "WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> New legislation banning discrimination against homosexuals should
>>>> stand, a Northern Ireland High Court judge has ruled.
>>>>
>>>> Providers of goods, services and education can be fined up to
>>>> £15,000 for breaching regulations.
>>>>
>>>> But the judge ruled that businesses cannot be prosecuted for voicing
>>>> their opposition to serving a gay or lesbian couple.
>>>>
>>>> The verdict was hailed as a victory by Christian groups and gay
>>>> activists alike. Is it a victory for freedom of speech or a
>>>> breakthrough for equality?
>>>>
>>>> What say you?
>>>>
>>>> Ray
>>>
>>> I suppose I better get this ball rolling...  some good answers on the
>>> website... But everyone is apparently so politically correct cowards
>>> that they can't respond incase someone is "offended"...  How sad!
>>>
>>> The law needs further refinement...  as it stands it can fine you for
>>> refusing queers, yet not fine you for calling them queers you refuse
>>> to do any business with...
>>>
>>> I think government should stay the hell out of the way of business
>>> and let business make contracts with those they feel comfortable
>>> working with....  Be that queer, straight or what have you?  The
>>> government has NO business telling us who we can and MUST do business
>>> with?
>>>
>>> What say you now?
>>
>>I think you are disgusting, Ray, and you should keep your disgusting
>>thoughts to yourself.
>
> On a different tract... do you believe the Government should be allowed 
> and even
> expected to intervene in everyday activity and tell every single person 
> exactly
> how the government expects you to live your life and how to think and what 
> to
> say and what to do and when to go to bed and what to eat?   What are you 
> some
> sort of drone??????????
>
> Most people like to think for themselves Harry...  Try it someday...  You 
> might
> be surprised!!!!!
>
> Ray

Well ray coming out of the closet at last, i wondered when you were going to 
admit to being one of them.
>
> -- 
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"DAVID JONES"  wrote in message
news:bYXFi.203276$p7.39178@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> >
> > Most people like to think for themselves Harry...  Try it someday...
You
> > might
> > be surprised!!!!!
> >
> > Ray
>
> Well ray coming out of the closet at last, i wondered when you were going
to
> admit to being one of them.

 bad ray thinks foley and craig are being unfairly picked on.
so what if they puff a little pickle, they talk the talk and oppose gay
rights. which is what really counts.
if the molest a male congressional page or two, well boys will do boys,
right.

"WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote in message 
news:3f6ge31fbmaa50667g0n9qtnbk6ilm8v71@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 10:40:08 -0400, "WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"
>  wrote:
>
>>New legislation banning discrimination against homosexuals should stand, a
>>Northern Ireland High Court judge has ruled.
>>
>>Providers of goods, services and education can be fined up to £15,000 for
>>breaching regulations.
>>
>>But the judge ruled that businesses cannot be prosecuted for voicing their
>>opposition to serving a gay or lesbian couple.
>>
>>The verdict was hailed as a victory by Christian groups and gay activists 
>>alike.
>>Is it a victory for freedom of speech or a breakthrough for equality?
>>
>>What say you?
>>
>>Ray
>
> I suppose I better get this ball rolling...  some good answers on the
> website... But everyone is apparently so politically correct cowards that 
> they
> can't respond incase someone is "offended"...  How sad!
>
> The law needs further refinement...  as it stands it can fine you for 
> refusing
> queers, yet not fine you for calling them queers you refuse to do any 
> business
> with...
>
> I think government should stay the hell out of the way of business and let
> business make contracts with those they feel comfortable working with.... 
> Be
> that queer, straight or what have you?  The government has NO business 
> telling
> us who we can and MUST do business with?
>
> What say you now?

Would you extend that to everything? Was Glasgow Rangers' old position of 
not signing Catholics acceptable? Would it be ok for a pub to tell black 
people that they will be served but it is only because they can't legally be 
refused? Or is it only gays who should suffer such indignities?

Allan

On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 20:26:47 GMT, "DAVID JONES"
 wrote:

>
>"WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote in message 
>news:1fbge3lqtukqjr4sqt2hkcji1nv99llvvh@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 19:10:34 +0100, "Hal Ó Mearadhaigh." 
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 10:40:08 -0400, "WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> New legislation banning discrimination against homosexuals should
>>>>> stand, a Northern Ireland High Court judge has ruled.
>>>>>
>>>>> Providers of goods, services and education can be fined up to
>>>>> £15,000 for breaching regulations.
>>>>>
>>>>> But the judge ruled that businesses cannot be prosecuted for voicing
>>>>> their opposition to serving a gay or lesbian couple.
>>>>>
>>>>> The verdict was hailed as a victory by Christian groups and gay
>>>>> activists alike. Is it a victory for freedom of speech or a
>>>>> breakthrough for equality?
>>>>>
>>>>> What say you?
>>>>>
>>>>> Ray
>>>>
>>>> I suppose I better get this ball rolling...  some good answers on the
>>>> website... But everyone is apparently so politically correct cowards
>>>> that they can't respond incase someone is "offended"...  How sad!
>>>>
>>>> The law needs further refinement...  as it stands it can fine you for
>>>> refusing queers, yet not fine you for calling them queers you refuse
>>>> to do any business with...
>>>>
>>>> I think government should stay the hell out of the way of business
>>>> and let business make contracts with those they feel comfortable
>>>> working with....  Be that queer, straight or what have you?  The
>>>> government has NO business telling us who we can and MUST do business
>>>> with?
>>>>
>>>> What say you now?
>>>
>>>I think you are disgusting, Ray, and you should keep your disgusting
>>>thoughts to yourself.
>>
>> On a different tract... do you believe the Government should be allowed 
>> and even
>> expected to intervene in everyday activity and tell every single person 
>> exactly
>> how the government expects you to live your life and how to think and what 
>> to
>> say and what to do and when to go to bed and what to eat?   What are you 
>> some
>> sort of drone??????????
>>
>> Most people like to think for themselves Harry...  Try it someday...  You 
>> might
>> be surprised!!!!!
>>
>> Ray
>
>Well ray coming out of the closet at last, i wondered when you were going to 
>admit to being one of them.
>>

I'm more a hurling man, not a cricket man and I don't bat for the other side,
nor am I light in the loafers, and I don't lift shirts...  If you want that,
join the DUP!

Ray

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On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 05:11:01 GMT, "allan connochie" 
wrote:

>
>"WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote in message 
>news:3f6ge31fbmaa50667g0n9qtnbk6ilm8v71@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 10:40:08 -0400, "WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>New legislation banning discrimination against homosexuals should stand, a
>>>Northern Ireland High Court judge has ruled.
>>>
>>>Providers of goods, services and education can be fined up to £15,000 for
>>>breaching regulations.
>>>
>>>But the judge ruled that businesses cannot be prosecuted for voicing their
>>>opposition to serving a gay or lesbian couple.
>>>
>>>The verdict was hailed as a victory by Christian groups and gay activists 
>>>alike.
>>>Is it a victory for freedom of speech or a breakthrough for equality?
>>>
>>>What say you?
>>>
>>>Ray
>>
>> I suppose I better get this ball rolling...  some good answers on the
>> website... But everyone is apparently so politically correct cowards that 
>> they
>> can't respond incase someone is "offended"...  How sad!
>>
>> The law needs further refinement...  as it stands it can fine you for 
>> refusing
>> queers, yet not fine you for calling them queers you refuse to do any 
>> business
>> with...
>>
>> I think government should stay the hell out of the way of business and let
>> business make contracts with those they feel comfortable working with.... 
>> Be
>> that queer, straight or what have you?  The government has NO business 
>> telling
>> us who we can and MUST do business with?
>>
>> What say you now?
>
>Would you extend that to everything? Was Glasgow Rangers' old position of 
>not signing Catholics acceptable? Would it be ok for a pub to tell black 
>people that they will be served but it is only because they can't legally be 
>refused? Or is it only gays who should suffer such indignities?
>
>Allan 
>

I do Christian web design and I deny work with non-christians... I think people
should be free to work with who they feel comfrotable with...  I would never put
up a site for the Jihadists for example... More likely I'd contact Homeland
Security if they even attemted to contact me with such a project...

Ray

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"WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote in message 
news:3f6ge31fbmaa50667g0n9qtnbk6ilm8v71@4ax.com...

> I think government should stay the hell out of the way of business and let
> business make contracts with those they feel comfortable working with.... 
> Be
> that queer, straight or what have you?  The government has NO business 
> telling
> us who we can and MUST do business with?
>
> What say you now?

No blacks, no Irish, no dogs?  Sound fair enough to you?

"WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote in message
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>
> I'm more a hurling man, not a cricket man and I don't bat for the other
side,
> nor am I light in the loafers, and I don't lift shirts...  If you want
that,
> join the DUP!
>

"methinks he doth protest too much"

"WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote in message
news:dhfle35c08l0qdngpq3lp4qnrgtmc3rbmm@4ax.com...
> I do Christian web design and I deny work with non-christians... I think
people
> should be free to work with who they feel comfrotable with...  I would
never put
> up a site for the Jihadists for example... More likely I'd contact
Homeland
> Security if they even attemted to contact me with such a project...
>
> Ray

 yes we know you are a bigot.
and who are worse perverts than catholic priests?

"WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote in message 
news:dhfle35c08l0qdngpq3lp4qnrgtmc3rbmm@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 05:11:01 GMT, "allan connochie" 
> 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>> What say you now?
>>
>>Would you extend that to everything? Was Glasgow Rangers' old position of
>>not signing Catholics acceptable? Would it be ok for a pub to tell black
>>people that they will be served but it is only because they can't legally 
>>be
>>refused? Or is it only gays who should suffer such indignities?
>>
>>Allan
>>
>
> I do Christian web design and I deny work with non-christians...

What do you mean by non-Christian? Do you quiz everyone as to whether they 
believe in God and Jesus? Or do you mean you don't work with people of a 
slightly darker skin who follow another non-Christian faith?


> I think people
> should be free to work with who they feel comfrotable with...

So in other words it would be perfectly acceptable for someone to put up a 
sign at the front of their b&b saying "no gays or Irish Catholics"?  You see 
where that leads though. Things like apartheid!


 >I would never put
> up a site for the Jihadists for example...

Not the same thing at all.

Allan

Scríobh "allan connochie" :
>
>"WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote in message 
>news:dhfle35c08l0qdngpq3lp4qnrgtmc3rbmm@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 05:11:01 GMT, "allan connochie" 
>> 
>> wrote:

>> I think people
>> should be free to work with who they feel comfrotable with...
>
>So in other words it would be perfectly acceptable for someone to put up a 
>sign at the front of their b&b saying "no gays or Irish Catholics"?  You see 
>where that leads though. Things like apartheid!

You have been trolled.
Go straight to jail.
Do not pass Go.
Do not collect €200.
And next time, don't feed the fucking troll.


-- 
'Donegal:  Up Here It's Different'
© Féachadóir

"Féachadóir" <Féach@d.óir> wrote in message 
news:mmhme3t4m3ptvm21bkougvtbb2orv68cn9@4ax.com...
> Scríobh "allan connochie" :
>>
>>"WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote in message
>>news:dhfle35c08l0qdngpq3lp4qnrgtmc3rbmm@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 05:11:01 GMT, "allan connochie"
>>> 
>>> wrote:
>
>>> I think people
>>> should be free to work with who they feel comfrotable with...
>>
>>So in other words it would be perfectly acceptable for someone to put up a
>>sign at the front of their b&b saying "no gays or Irish Catholics"?  You 
>>see
>>where that leads though. Things like apartheid!
>
> You have been trolled.
> Go straight to jail.
> Do not pass Go.
> Do not collect ?200.
> And next time, don't feed the fucking troll.

Aye well it is one of my worst habits. I always think I'll find reason in 
the unlikeliest of places!

Allan

Féachadóir wrote:

> Scríobh "allan connochie" :
>>
>> "WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote in message
>> news:dhfle35c08l0qdngpq3lp4qnrgtmc3rbmm@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 05:11:01 GMT, "allan connochie"
>>> 
>>> wrote:
>
>>> I think people
>>> should be free to work with who they feel comfrotable with...
>>
>> So in other words it would be perfectly acceptable for someone to put up
>> a sign at the front of their b&b saying "no gays or Irish Catholics"?
>> You see where that leads though. Things like apartheid!
>
> You have been trolled.
> Go straight to jail.
> Do not pass Go.
> Do not collect €200.
> And next time, don't feed the fucking troll.

€200? Blimey, that's deflation for you.
Wanna borrow my game?

-- 
Falcon:
fide, sed cui vide. (L)

allan connochie wrote:

> "Féachadóir" <Féach@d.óir> wrote in message
> news:mmhme3t4m3ptvm21bkougvtbb2orv68cn9@4ax.com...
>> Scríobh "allan connochie" :
>>>
>>> "WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote in message
>>> news:dhfle35c08l0qdngpq3lp4qnrgtmc3rbmm@4ax.com...
>>>> On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 05:11:01 GMT, "allan connochie"
>>>> 
>>>> wrote:
>>
>>>> I think people
>>>> should be free to work with who they feel comfrotable with...
>>>
>>> So in other words it would be perfectly acceptable for someone to put
>>> up a sign at the front of their b&b saying "no gays or Irish
>>> Catholics"?  You see
>>> where that leads though. Things like apartheid!
>>
>> You have been trolled.
>> Go straight to jail.
>> Do not pass Go.
>> Do not collect ?200.
>> And next time, don't feed the fucking troll.
>
> Aye well it is one of my worst habits. I always think I'll find reason in
> the unlikeliest of places!

You'll never find it there.

-- 
Falcon:
fide, sed cui vide. (L)

Scríobh "Falcon" :
>
>Féachadóir wrote:
>
>> Scríobh "allan connochie" :
>>>
>>> "WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote in message
>>> news:dhfle35c08l0qdngpq3lp4qnrgtmc3rbmm@4ax.com...
>>>> On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 05:11:01 GMT, "allan connochie"
>>>> 
>>>> wrote:
>>
>>>> I think people
>>>> should be free to work with who they feel comfrotable with...
>>>
>>> So in other words it would be perfectly acceptable for someone to put up
>>> a sign at the front of their b&b saying "no gays or Irish Catholics"?
>>> You see where that leads though. Things like apartheid!
>>
>> You have been trolled.
>> Go straight to jail.
>> Do not pass Go.
>> Do not collect €200.
>> And next time, don't feed the fucking troll.
>
>€200? Blimey, that's deflation for you.
>Wanna borrow my game?

Nah, even with the crash our property is still more valuable.

-- 
'Donegal:  Up Here It's Different'
© Féachadóir

On 13 Sep, 06:11, "allan connochie"  wrote:
> "WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote in message
>
> news:3f6ge31fbmaa50667g0n9qtnbk6ilm8v71@4ax.com...
>
>
>
> > On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 10:40:08 -0400, "WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"
> >  wrote:
>
> >>New legislation banning discrimination against homosexuals should stand, a
> >>Northern Ireland High Court judge has ruled.
>
> >>Providers of goods, services and education can be fined up to £15,000 for
> >>breaching regulations.
>
> >>But the judge ruled that businesses cannot be prosecuted for voicing their
> >>opposition to serving a gay or lesbian couple.
>
> >>The verdict was hailed as a victory by Christian groups and gay activists
> >>alike.
> >>Is it a victory for freedom of speech or a breakthrough for equality?
>
> >>What say you?
>
> >>Ray
>
> > I suppose I better get this ball rolling...  some good answers on the
> > website... But everyone is apparently so politically correct cowards that
> > they
> > can't respond incase someone is "offended"...  How sad!
>
> > The law needs further refinement...  as it stands it can fine you for
> > refusing
> > queers, yet not fine you for calling them queers you refuse to do any
> > business
> > with...
>
> > I think government should stay the hell out of the way of business and let
> > business make contracts with those they feel comfortable working with....
> > Be
> > that queer, straight or what have you?  The government has NO business
> > telling
> > us who we can and MUST do business with?
>
> > What say you now?
>
> Would you extend that to everything? Was Glasgow Rangers' old position of
> not signing Catholics acceptable? Would it be ok for a pub to tell black
> people that they will be served but it is only because they can't legally be
> refused? Or is it only gays who should suffer such indignities?
>
> Allan

Very good points but on the other side of the argument we have to
allow for individual conscience which is not akin to the examples you
give. It is a question of where to draw the line between respecting
conscience and not allowing people to be mistreated and humiliated. I
would have thought that if you run a B&B in the example of one
Christian couple I seem to recall an article about, their business is
also their home so would that be a different matter to a large hotel?
What about the Catholic adoption agency told it was discriminating.
Why would Gay couples go to an agency with a Christian ethos when
there are plenty of secular ones? We should not forget the very real
hatred some people have towards Gay people but it does seem that there
is something very political going on. Does the Gay Rights Movement
want to gain rights or make everybody agree with them? Surely the
judgement cited here is a compromise to both parties in what is a
difficult attempt to balance rights?

On 14 Sep, 18:08, "WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 05:11:01 GMT, "allan connochie" 
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >"WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote in message
> >news:3f6ge31fbmaa50667g0n9qtnbk6ilm8v71@4ax.com...
> >> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 10:40:08 -0400, "WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"
> >>  wrote:
>
> >>>New legislation banning discrimination against homosexuals should stand, a
> >>>Northern Ireland High Court judge has ruled.
>
> >>>Providers of goods, services and education can be fined up to £15,000 for
> >>>breaching regulations.
>
> >>>But the judge ruled that businesses cannot be prosecuted for voicing their
> >>>opposition to serving a gay or lesbian couple.
>
> >>>The verdict was hailed as a victory by Christian groups and gay activists
> >>>alike.
> >>>Is it a victory for freedom of speech or a breakthrough for equality?
>
> >>>What say you?
>
> >>>Ray
>
> >> I suppose I better get this ball rolling...  some good answers on the
> >> website... But everyone is apparently so politically correct cowards that
> >> they
> >> can't respond incase someone is "offended"...  How sad!
>
> >> The law needs further refinement...  as it stands it can fine you for
> >> refusing
> >> queers, yet not fine you for calling them queers you refuse to do any
> >> business
> >> with...
>
> >> I think government should stay the hell out of the way of business and let
> >> business make contracts with those they feel comfortable working with....
> >> Be
> >> that queer, straight or what have you?  The government has NO business
> >> telling
> >> us who we can and MUST do business with?
>
> >> What say you now?
>
> >Would you extend that to everything? Was Glasgow Rangers' old position of
> >not signing Catholics acceptable? Would it be ok for a pub to tell black
> >people that they will be served but it is only because they can't legally be
> >refused? Or is it only gays who should suffer such indignities?
>
> >Allan
>
> I do Christian web design and I deny work with non-christians... I think people
> should be free to work with who they feel comfrotable with...  I would never put
> up a site for the Jihadists for example...
> More likely I'd contact Homeland
> Security if they even attemted to contact me with such a project...

You have a right to enter into a contract with who you like as a rule
but consider how prone to hypocrisy human beings are. For example, and
I'm not living in the past here but, you sympathise with an
organisation who until recently was responsible for terrorism but just
denied it. If you have a policy of discrimination against gay people,
how do you know you have not served a whole load of Gay people you did
not know are gay? How do you know you have not served adulterers - who
are also sinners for example and are less proud of their lifestyle
choices?

On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:31:25 -0400, "Ray O'Hara"  wrote:

>
>"WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote in message
>news:dhfle35c08l0qdngpq3lp4qnrgtmc3rbmm@4ax.com...
>> I do Christian web design and I deny work with non-christians... I think
>people
>> should be free to work with who they feel comfrotable with...  I would
>never put
>> up a site for the Jihadists for example... More likely I'd contact
>Homeland
>> Security if they even attemted to contact me with such a project...
>>
>> Ray
>
> yes we know you are a bigot.

Not true...  I could point to several blacks and people of different (yet
Christian) people who I have personally helped set up and maintain a website for
them (at no cost to them)...  I do work to make money (as anyone does), but I
also do charity work, for both people, and have done some for animal shelters
and scout groups...    So you can take your "bigot" remark and stick it!

>and who are worse perverts than catholic priests?
>
>

Sickos who paint the entire lot of them, but can't support their ignorance with
one iota of evidence...

Ray

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On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 23:22:52 +0100, "allan connochie" 
wrote:

>
>"WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote in message 
>news:dhfle35c08l0qdngpq3lp4qnrgtmc3rbmm@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 05:11:01 GMT, "allan connochie" 
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>> What say you now?
>>>
>>>Would you extend that to everything? Was Glasgow Rangers' old position of
>>>not signing Catholics acceptable? Would it be ok for a pub to tell black
>>>people that they will be served but it is only because they can't legally 
>>>be
>>>refused? Or is it only gays who should suffer such indignities?
>>>
>>>Allan
>>>
>>
>> I do Christian web design and I deny work with non-christians...
>
>What do you mean by non-Christian? Do you quiz everyone as to whether they 
>believe in God and Jesus?

No, not at all...  I get work through various christian orgs...  I also do
charity web work... 

>Or do you mean you don't work with people of a 
>slightly darker skin who follow another non-Christian faith?
>

No...  My one rule is that the people be christians...  I've had trouble
sometimes with some Protestants because I'm  Catholic.  I will help both
Catholic and Protestant churches, etc, gain and maintain a presense on the
Internet.  But I have trouble getting listed with some Christian webdesigners
lists because the Protestants put in riders that, as a Catholic, I can't sign up
to...  Sadly, recently, I found a Catholic webdesigners "meeting place" that
excluded Protestants...  I understand the underlying differences only too well,
but the overall thing is that we are Christians...  Trying to do our best to
bring people to a Christian God...   

As for the "dark skin" comment...  I do a lot of work for Christian groups in
the Southern US..  A lot of them have both female and black pastors and I work
with them to deliver the very best site I possibly can and am only happy when
they are happy...  Just as I do with white Christians...  So the colour thing is
bogus...

>
>> I think people
>> should be free to work with who they feel comfrotable with...
>
>So in other words it would be perfectly acceptable for someone to put up a 
>sign at the front of their b&b saying "no gays or Irish Catholics"?  You see 
>where that leads though. Things like apartheid!
>

I'm more against companies being *forced* to work with orgs they do not
support...   I will never do anyting to help the ACLU for example... I will
never put up a website for Planned Parenthood...  The government has no right
demanding that I MUST work with whoever tries to hire me...   

If a contractor comes over to your house to do some work...  And you get a bad
feeling about him - he's late, smells like he's had a beer or two, is
disprespectul to your wife...  etc...  You wouldn't hire him...  Would you like
it if the Govt. said you must hire him?

>
> >I would never put
>> up a site for the Jihadists for example...
>
>Not the same thing at all.
>
>Allan
>

It is...  In a way... I was almost tricked into putting up a website for a
church I figured were a little more conservative than myself...  Presented
themselves as moderates who hold strong anti abortion views...  Turns out they
support the attacks on abortionists and believed that every woman who has an
abortion goes to hell and condemns her child to hell (no baptism in Christ)...
Some Jihadists don't come with bombs ties round them, but can be just as
dangerous...  I have to be careful to vet groups and churches I work with after
that...  

Ray

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On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 05:36:52 +0100, "allan connochie" 
wrote:

>
>"Féachadóir" <Féach@d.óir> wrote in message 
>news:mmhme3t4m3ptvm21bkougvtbb2orv68cn9@4ax.com...
>> Scríobh "allan connochie" :
>>>
>>>"WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote in message
>>>news:dhfle35c08l0qdngpq3lp4qnrgtmc3rbmm@4ax.com...
>>>> On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 05:11:01 GMT, "allan connochie"
>>>> 
>>>> wrote:
>>
>>>> I think people
>>>> should be free to work with who they feel comfrotable with...
>>>
>>>So in other words it would be perfectly acceptable for someone to put up a
>>>sign at the front of their b&b saying "no gays or Irish Catholics"?  You 
>>>see
>>>where that leads though. Things like apartheid!
>>
>> You have been trolled.
>> Go straight to jail.
>> Do not pass Go.
>> Do not collect ?200.
>> And next time, don't feed the fucking troll.
>
>Aye well it is one of my worst habits. I always think I'll find reason in 
>the unlikeliest of places!
>
>Allan 
>

You have been Nannied!
Express your independence and throw off the shackles that Big Ger.. er... Big
Brother would put upon you...    The man who is free is that man who is unafriad
to express his opinions...  The fool, is that man who tries to tell him what he
can and cannot say on an open forum designed for dialogue and discussion and the
occassional argument!

Ray

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On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 09:16:47 -0700, claire.easthope@ntlworld.com wrote:

>On 14 Sep, 18:08, "WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote:
>> On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 05:11:01 GMT, "allan connochie" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >"WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote in message
>> >news:3f6ge31fbmaa50667g0n9qtnbk6ilm8v71@4ax.com...
>> >> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 10:40:08 -0400, "WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"
>> >>  wrote:
>>
>> >>>New legislation banning discrimination against homosexuals should stand, a
>> >>>Northern Ireland High Court judge has ruled.
>>
>> >>>Providers of goods, services and education can be fined up to £15,000 for
>> >>>breaching regulations.
>>
>> >>>But the judge ruled that businesses cannot be prosecuted for voicing their
>> >>>opposition to serving a gay or lesbian couple.
>>
>> >>>The verdict was hailed as a victory by Christian groups and gay activists
>> >>>alike.
>> >>>Is it a victory for freedom of speech or a breakthrough for equality?
>>
>> >>>What say you?
>>
>> >>>Ray
>>
>> >> I suppose I better get this ball rolling...  some good answers on the
>> >> website... But everyone is apparently so politically correct cowards that
>> >> they
>> >> can't respond incase someone is "offended"...  How sad!
>>
>> >> The law needs further refinement...  as it stands it can fine you for
>> >> refusing
>> >> queers, yet not fine you for calling them queers you refuse to do any
>> >> business
>> >> with...
>>
>> >> I think government should stay the hell out of the way of business and let
>> >> business make contracts with those they feel comfortable working with....
>> >> Be
>> >> that queer, straight or what have you?  The government has NO business
>> >> telling
>> >> us who we can and MUST do business with?
>>
>> >> What say you now?
>>
>> >Would you extend that to everything? Was Glasgow Rangers' old position of
>> >not signing Catholics acceptable? Would it be ok for a pub to tell black
>> >people that they will be served but it is only because they can't legally be
>> >refused? Or is it only gays who should suffer such indignities?
>>
>> >Allan
>>
>> I do Christian web design and I deny work with non-christians... I think people
>> should be free to work with who they feel comfrotable with...  I would never put
>> up a site for the Jihadists for example...
>> More likely I'd contact Homeland
>> Security if they even attemted to contact me with such a project...
>
>You have a right to enter into a contract with who you like as a rule
>but consider how prone to hypocrisy human beings are. For example, and
>I'm not living in the past here but, you sympathise with an
>organisation who until recently was responsible for terrorism but just
>denied it.

That's a very complex issue and cannot be dismissed that easily...

> If you have a policy of discrimination against gay people,

No, I do not... I have an objection to them trying to change society to
something it is not to appease them...  I've stated before I'll support civil
union, and think that should be extended to say a couple of spinster sisters or
old brothers who's family have all gone, etc...  Not just for gays...

>how do you know you have not served a whole load of Gay people you did
>not know are gay? 

I work with Christians and assume they live the Christian lifestyle...  I will
not aid an openly gay org to put up a website... 

>How do you know you have not served adulterers 

I don't know...  They don't tell me, and are not flaunting it in my face...

>- who
>are also sinners for example and are less proud of their lifestyle
>choices?
>

Jesus forgave Prostitutes who reformed...  He could see into their hearts, I
cannot...  I try my best to work with people I feel are of good character...
And over the years, I have found that I'm a good judge of character...

Ray

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"WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote in message 
news:911te3ls7g3sbstck54fbda8u5k51e21kl@4ax.com...
  I try my best to work with people I feel are of good character...
> And over the years, I have found that I'm a good judge of character...
>
> Ray



This just has to be the funniest thing our little dwarf has ever written! I 
swore I wasn't responding to any more of his drivel but I had to share this.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 22:03:12 +0100, "eugene" <eugene@home.com.invalid> wrote:

>
>"WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote in message 
>news:911te3ls7g3sbstck54fbda8u5k51e21kl@4ax.com...
>  I try my best to work with people I feel are of good character...
>> And over the years, I have found that I'm a good judge of character...
>>
>> Ray
>
>
>
>This just has to be the funniest thing our little dwarf has ever written! I 
>swore I wasn't responding to any more of his drivel but I had to share this.
>
>hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah 
>

Children's minds are easily amused!    Facts are hard for him to grasp!  Pity
him, poor bastard!

Ray

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On 17 Sep, 22:03, "eugene" <eug...@home.com.invalid> wrote:
> "WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote in message
>
> news:911te3ls7g3sbstck54fbda8u5k51e21kl@4ax.com...
>   I try my best to work with people I feel are of good character...
>
> > And over the years, I have found that I'm a good judge of character...
>
> > Ray
>
> This just has to be the funniest thing our little dwarf has ever written! I
> swore I wasn't responding to any more of his drivel but I had to share this.
>
> hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah


Here is an aproximation of the sound I made when I read that bit, it
was a very loud PBRHA!!!

On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:28:29 -0700, claire.easthope@ntlworld.com wrote:

>On 17 Sep, 22:03, "eugene" <eug...@home.com.invalid> wrote:
>> "WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:911te3ls7g3sbstck54fbda8u5k51e21kl@4ax.com...
>>   I try my best to work with people I feel are of good character...
>>
>> > And over the years, I have found that I'm a good judge of character...
>>
>> > Ray
>>
>> This just has to be the funniest thing our little dwarf has ever written! I
>> swore I wasn't responding to any more of his drivel but I had to share this.
>>
>> hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
>
>
>Here is an aproximation of the sound I made when I read that bit, it
>was a very loud PBRHA!!!

Fools are easily amused!  I have a shiny object, wanna look at it for a few
hours?

Ray

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WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie> wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:28:29 -0700, claire.easthope@ntlworld.com
> wrote:
>
>> On 17 Sep, 22:03, "eugene" <eug...@home.com.invalid> wrote:
>>> "WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:911te3ls7g3sbstck54fbda8u5k51e21kl@4ax.com...
>>>   I try my best to work with people I feel are of good character...
>>>
>>>> And over the years, I have found that I'm a good judge of
>>>> character...
>>>
>>>> Ray
>>>
>>> This just has to be the funniest thing our little dwarf has ever
>>> written! I swore I wasn't responding to any more of his drivel but
>>> I had to share this.
>>>
>>> hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
>>
>>
>> Here is an aproximation of the sound I made when I read that bit, it
>> was a very loud PBRHA!!!
>
> Fools are easily amused!  I have a shiny object, wanna look at it for
> a few hours?

WHAT??? Your balls/dickhead?? NO thanks!

-- 
Hal Ó Mearadhaigh.

On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:25:53 +0100, "Hal Ó Mearadhaigh." 
wrote:

>WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie> wrote:
>> On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:28:29 -0700, claire.easthope@ntlworld.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 17 Sep, 22:03, "eugene" <eug...@home.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>> "WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote in message
>>>>
>>>> news:911te3ls7g3sbstck54fbda8u5k51e21kl@4ax.com...
>>>>   I try my best to work with people I feel are of good character...
>>>>
>>>>> And over the years, I have found that I'm a good judge of
>>>>> character...
>>>>
>>>>> Ray
>>>>
>>>> This just has to be the funniest thing our little dwarf has ever
>>>> written! I swore I wasn't responding to any more of his drivel but
>>>> I had to share this.
>>>>
>>>> hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
>>>
>>>
>>> Here is an aproximation of the sound I made when I read that bit, it
>>> was a very loud PBRHA!!!
>>
>> Fools are easily amused!  I have a shiny object, wanna look at it for
>> a few hours?
>
>WHAT??? Your balls/dickhead?? NO thanks!


Go sit in the sandbox and let us adults discuss the issues of the day...  ok?

Ray

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WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie> wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:25:53 +0100, "Hal Ó Mearadhaigh."
>  wrote:
>
>> WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:28:29 -0700, claire.easthope@ntlworld.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 17 Sep, 22:03, "eugene" <eug...@home.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> "WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote in message
>>>>>
>>>>> news:911te3ls7g3sbstck54fbda8u5k51e21kl@4ax.com...
>>>>>   I try my best to work with people I feel are of good
>>>>> character...
>>>>>
>>>>>> And over the years, I have found that I'm a good judge of
>>>>>> character...
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ray
>>>>>
>>>>> This just has to be the funniest thing our little dwarf has ever
>>>>> written! I swore I wasn't responding to any more of his drivel but
>>>>> I had to share this.
>>>>>
>>>>> hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Here is an aproximation of the sound I made when I read that bit,
>>>> it was a very loud PBRHA!!!
>>>
>>> Fools are easily amused!  I have a shiny object, wanna look at it
>>> for a few hours?
>>
>> WHAT??? Your balls/dickhead?? NO thanks!
>
>
> Go sit in the sandbox and let us adults discuss the issues of the
> day...  ok?

ADULT??? - Oh, I don't think so!! Your opinions are so bereft of any 
Christianity and tolerance, and so full of arrogance and confrontationalism 
that they have lost all credibility. Doesn't it stroke you as very odd that 
so very many people no longer bother with your posts? It is your whackey 
ideas and support for stupid opinions, such as total abortion that is to 
blame. Not practical, no consideration of the mothers health, nothing!

-- 
Hal Ó Mearadhaigh.

"eugene" <eugene@home.com.invalid> wrote in message 
news:JtednUQPg8UOdnPbnZ2dnUVZ8sWhnZ2d@bt.com...
>
> "WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote in message 
> news:911te3ls7g3sbstck54fbda8u5k51e21kl@4ax.com...
>  I try my best to work with people I feel are of good character...
>> And over the years, I have found that I'm a good judge of character...
>>
>> Ray
>
>
>
> This just has to be the funniest thing our little dwarf has ever written! 
> I swore I wasn't responding to any more of his drivel but I had to share 
> this.
>
> hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

I don't even see him nowadays and had forgotten how idiotic he can actually 
be.

Just for Ray

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1223/1411937644_a945d8046f_o.jpg

On Sep 19, 12:30 am, "Hal Ó Mearadhaigh." 
wrote:
> WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie> wrote:
> > On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:25:53 퍝, "Hal Ó Mearadhaigh."
> >  wrote:
>
> >> WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie> wrote:
> >>> On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:28:29 -0700, claire.easth...@ntlworld.com
> >>> wrote:
>
> >>>> On 17 Sep, 22:03, "eugene" <eug...@home.com.invalid> wrote:
> >>>>> "WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote in message
>
> >>>>>news:911te3ls7g3sbstck54fbda8u5k51e21kl@4ax.com...
> >>>>>   I try my best to work with people I feel are of good
> >>>>> character...
>
> >>>>>> And over the years, I have found that I'm a good judge of
> >>>>>> character...
>
> >>>>>> Ray
>
> >>>>> This just has to be the funniest thing our little dwarf has ever
> >>>>> written! I swore I wasn't responding to any more of his drivel but
> >>>>> I had to share this.
>
> >>>>> hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
>
> >>>> Here is an aproximation of the sound I made when I read that bit,
> >>>> it was a very loud PBRHA!!!
>
> >>> Fools are easily amused!  I have a shiny object, wanna look at it
> >>> for a few hours?
>
> >> WHAT??? Your balls/dickhead?? NO thanks!
>
> > Go sit in the sandbox and let us adults discuss the issues of the
> > day...  ok?
>
> ADULT??? - Oh, I don't think so!! Your opinions are so bereft of any
> Christianity and tolerance, and so full of arrogance and confrontationalism
> that they have lost all credibility. Doesn't it stroke you as very odd that
> so very many people no longer bother with your posts? It is your whackey
> ideas and support for stupid opinions, such as total abortion that is to
> blame. Not practical, no consideration of the mothers health, nothing!

  Childbirth is a natural thing, that's why there are
 people on the planet. Removing a child from its
  mothers womb before its time, results in the death of the child,
*not* the woman.

 As to the homosexuals, they should keep their sex lives to
themselves, if they didn't go around broadcasting it, no-one would
know, would they?
 No cafe would know if the person they were serving was
 a homo if the customer didn't tell them.


>
> --
> Hal Ó Mearadhaigh.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

"WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote in message
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>
> >and who are worse perverts than catholic priests?
> >
> >
>
> Sickos who paint the entire lot of them, but can't support their ignorance
with
> one iota of evidence...
>

sickos are those who refuse to admit the truth. there are the priests who
diddle and the organization that covers for them.
the disgusting cardinal bernard law covered up the outrages and he would
just transfer the offenders to a new parish when things got hot.
his punishment by the church was to be given a highly prestigious position
in rome.

rome response to the scandals is to make each archdoicese pay for the
penalties and never to donate a dime.
the boston doicese has been crushed by church and school closings.

romes response is to punish those who dare speak out about the sins of rom
the new nazi hitlet youth pope is coming to america to visit the flock.

he won't becoming to boston,one of the most catholic cities in america, to
punish the flock fr daring to speak up.

unlike other places where the docile flock  remains silent in boston the
crimes were expose.
boston isn't the only place with pervert priests, but it is one of the few
places that put a stop to it.

pull your head out of your arse.

Boedicia@isp.com wrote:
> On Sep 19, 12:30 am, "Hal Ó Mearadhaigh." 
> wrote:
>> WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:25:53 +0100, "Hal Ó Mearadhaigh."
>>>  wrote:
>>
>>>> WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie> wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:28:29 -0700, claire.easth...@ntlworld.com
>>>>> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> On 17 Sep, 22:03, "eugene" <eug...@home.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>> "WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote in message
>>
>>>>>>> news:911te3ls7g3sbstck54fbda8u5k51e21kl@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>   I try my best to work with people I feel are of good
>>>>>>> character...
>>
>>>>>>>> And over the years, I have found that I'm a good judge of
>>>>>>>> character...
>>
>>>>>>>> Ray
>>
>>>>>>> This just has to be the funniest thing our little dwarf has ever
>>>>>>> written! I swore I wasn't responding to any more of his drivel
>>>>>>> but I had to share this.
>>
>>>>>>> hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
>>
>>>>>> Here is an aproximation of the sound I made when I read that bit,
>>>>>> it was a very loud PBRHA!!!
>>
>>>>> Fools are easily amused!  I have a shiny object, wanna look at it
>>>>> for a few hours?
>>
>>>> WHAT??? Your balls/dickhead?? NO thanks!
>>
>>> Go sit in the sandbox and let us adults discuss the issues of the
>>> day...  ok?
>>
>> ADULT??? - Oh, I don't think so!! Your opinions are so bereft of any
>> Christianity and tolerance, and so full of arrogance and
>> confrontationalism that they have lost all credibility. Doesn't it
>> stroke you as very odd that so very many people no longer bother
>> with your posts? It is your whackey ideas and support for stupid
>> opinions, such as total abortion that is to blame. Not practical, no
>> consideration of the mothers health, nothing!
>
>   Childbirth is a natural thing, that's why there are
>  people on the planet.

Agreed.

>Removing a child from its
>   mothers womb before its time, results in the death of the child,
> *not* the woman.

Perfectly correct. But nothing is black and white! - If there were valid 
medical reasons that if the pregnancy was allowed to proceed the mothere 
would die, for instance, and this does happen now and again. What then? As a 
husband, I would prefer my Wife to keep her life and try again another 
day! - OR - Just suppose your daughter had been savagly raped and beaten and 
left pregnant? Would you want her to go through nine months of further 
torture and be left to rear the child of her abuser, possibly causing 
permanent pschycological damage? - I certainly wouldn't.

>
>  As to the homosexuals, they should keep their sex lives to
> themselves, if they didn't go around broadcasting it, no-one would
> know, would they?

Sadly, society simply will not let the gay thing go! - If they did, then I 
am sure the necessity to parade and protest would go away. Gays have every 
right to be treated equally as are everyone else. As for "knowing"? - 
Honestly, who cares? It is their own business after all.

>  No cafe would know if the person they were serving was
>  a homo if the customer didn't tell them.

LOL! I don't know what sort of cafe "you" go into, but "I" have never been 
in one that this problem would ever arise at all. Perhaps you frequent Gay 
cafes? Who knows! Their coffee would certainly be good for sure.

-- 
Hal Ó Mearadhaigh.

"Ray O'Hara"  wrote in message 
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>
> "WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote in message
> news:ulvse3p8oealnv5b83oti9qo38mno1rvgu@4ax.com...
>>
>> >and who are worse perverts than catholic priests?
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Sickos who paint the entire lot of them, but can't support their 
>> ignorance
> with
>> one iota of evidence...
>>
>
> sickos are those who refuse to admit the truth.

[...]

You should know by now that Ray is a perpetual state of denial about things 
that discomfit him. Funny how he regularly rants about child protection 
andvigilante justice for paedophiles but seems to be able to ignore what 
went on in the Church.

The damage done to the Curch by pervert priests was immense* but the ongoing 
damage is from people like Ray who try to brush it under the mat instead of 
facing up to it and trying to avoid it ever happening again - which is what 
the Church is actually trying to do.

(It should not be necessary to say it, but this being sci I should point out 
that that damage is nothing in regard to the damage done to the victims.)

On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 16:58:20 +0100, "Ex_OWM" 
wrote:

>
>"Ray O'Hara"  wrote in message 
>news:ApadnaQJYLG9R2rbnZ2dnUVZ_sOrnZ2d@rcn.net...
>>
>> "WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote in message
>> news:ulvse3p8oealnv5b83oti9qo38mno1rvgu@4ax.com...
>>>
>>> >and who are worse perverts than catholic priests?
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>> Sickos who paint the entire lot of them, but can't support their 
>>> ignorance
>> with
>>> one iota of evidence...
>>>
>>
>> sickos are those who refuse to admit the truth.
>
>[...]
>
>You should know by now that Ray is a perpetual state of denial about things 
>that discomfit him.

Your opinion...

> Funny how he regularly rants about child protection 
>andvigilante justice for paedophiles

I work with people who catch these sicko bastards and have helped catch more
then a few...  But you carry on with your delusional opinion that I'm a one
dimensional fella...

> but seems to be able to ignore what 
>went on in the Church.
>

I know damn well what goes on in the Church...  What I defend is the VAST
MAJORITY of priests...   People like to attack our Church using this stick, when
in reality it's but a twig...  Work it out!

>The damage done to the Curch by pervert priests was immense*

*At least to communists, anti-Catholics and atheists and their fellow
travelers...  Truth not withstanding!

> but the ongoing 
>damage is from people like Ray who try to brush it under the mat instead of 
>facing up to it and trying to avoid it ever happening again - which is what 
>the Church is actually trying to do.
>

Trying to put something into perspective is not the same as trying to cover
something up...  

>(It should not be necessary to say it, but this being sci I should point out 
>that that damage is nothing in regard to the damage done to the victims.)
>

Nevermind the damage done to the falsely accused Holy Priests by pretend victims
for a few bucks/punt/euros...   

Ray

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On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 16:58:20 +0100, Ex_OWM wrote:

> "Ray O'Hara"  wrote in message 
> news:ApadnaQJYLG9R2rbnZ2dnUVZ_sOrnZ2d@rcn.net...
>>
>> "WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote in message
>> news:ulvse3p8oealnv5b83oti9qo38mno1rvgu@4ax.com...
>>>
>>> >and who are worse perverts than catholic priests?
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>> Sickos who paint the entire lot of them, but can't support their 
>>> ignorance
>> with
>>> one iota of evidence...
>>>
>>
>> sickos are those who refuse to admit the truth.
> 
> [...]
> 
> You should know by now that Ray is a perpetual state of denial about things 
> that discomfit him. Funny how he regularly rants about child protection 
> andvigilante justice for paedophiles but seems to be able to ignore what 
> went on in the Church.
> 
> The damage done to the Curch by pervert priests was immense* but the ongoing 

The damage was done by the bishops who covered up for child rapists 


> damage is from people like Ray who try to brush it under the mat instead of 
> facing up to it and trying to avoid it ever happening again - which is what 
> the Church is actually trying to do.
> 
> (It should not be necessary to say it, but this being sci I should point out 
> that that damage is nothing in regard to the damage done to the victims.)

"Dog's Bollocks"  wrote in message 
news:158qn55bg2fcl$.193nm9dk7xy5r.dlg@40tude.net...
> On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 16:58:20 +0100, Ex_OWM wrote:
>
>> "Ray O'Hara"  wrote in message
>> news:ApadnaQJYLG9R2rbnZ2dnUVZ_sOrnZ2d@rcn.net...
>>>
>>> "WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote in message
>>> news:ulvse3p8oealnv5b83oti9qo38mno1rvgu@4ax.com...
>>>>
>>>> >and who are worse perverts than catholic priests?
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> Sickos who paint the entire lot of them, but can't support their
>>>> ignorance
>>> with
>>>> one iota of evidence...
>>>>
>>>
>>> sickos are those who refuse to admit the truth.
>>
>> [...]
>>
>> You should know by now that Ray is a perpetual state of denial about 
>> things
>> that discomfit him. Funny how he regularly rants about child protection
>> andvigilante justice for paedophiles but seems to be able to ignore what
>> went on in the Church.
>>
>> The damage done to the Curch by pervert priests was immense* but the 
>> ongoing
>
> The damage was done by the bishops who covered up for child rapists

Yes, they added to the problem.

On Sep 24, 8:55 am, "Hal Ó Mearadhaigh."  wrote:
> Boedi...@isp.comwrote:
> > On Sep 19, 12:30 am, "Hal Ó Mearadhaigh." 
> > wrote:
> >> WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie> wrote:
> >>> On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:25:53 퍝, "Hal Ó Mearadhaigh."
> >>>  wrote:
>
> >>>> WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie> wrote:
> >>>>> On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:28:29 -0700, claire.easth...@ntlworld.com
> >>>>> wrote:
>
> >>>>>> On 17 Sep, 22:03, "eugene" <eug...@home.com.invalid> wrote:
> >>>>>>> "WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote in message
>
> >>>>>>>news:911te3ls7g3sbstck54fbda8u5k51e21kl@4ax.com...
> >>>>>>>   I try my best to work with people I feel are of good
> >>>>>>> character...
>
> >>>>>>>> And over the years, I have found that I'm a good judge of
> >>>>>>>> character...
>
> >>>>>>>> Ray
>
> >>>>>>> This just has to be the funniest thing our little dwarf has ever
> >>>>>>> written! I swore I wasn't responding to any more of his drivel
> >>>>>>> but I had to share this.
>
> >>>>>>> hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
>
> >>>>>> Here is an aproximation of the sound I made when I read that bit,
> >>>>>> it was a very loud PBRHA!!!
>
> >>>>> Fools are easily amused!  I have a shiny object, wanna look at it
> >>>>> for a few hours?
>
> >>>> WHAT??? Your balls/dickhead?? NO thanks!
>
> >>> Go sit in the sandbox and let us adults discuss the issues of the
> >>> day...  ok?
>
> >> ADULT??? - Oh, I don't think so!! Your opinions are so bereft of any
> >> Christianity and tolerance, and so full of arrogance and
> >> confrontationalism that they have lost all credibility. Doesn't it
> >> stroke you as very odd that so very many people no longer bother
> >> with your posts? It is your whackey ideas and support for stupid
> >> opinions, such as total abortion that is to blame. Not practical, no
> >> consideration of the mothers health, nothing!
>
> >   Childbirth is a natural thing, that's why there are
> >  people on the planet.
>
> Agreed.
>
> >Removing a child from its
> >   mothers womb before its time, results in the death of the child,
> > *not* the woman.
>
> Perfectly correct. But nothing is black and white! - If there were valid
> medical reasons that if the pregnancy was allowed to proceed the mothere
> would die, for instance, and this does happen now and again.

  The millions of abortions in most countries in the world
  are *not* to save the life of the mother, since,
  as I said, childbirth is a natural thing.  They
  are being done solely for  conveniences sake
  and because governmenst such as the U.S. and Britain
 e.g. were coerced into it by the radical feminist
 movement.  In India and China they are done because
 the parents want a male child and with the advent
 of machines that show the sex of the child, the
 parents are able to know what sex the child will be.
  By the time that this is possible, the baby is fully formed.  It is
a disgusting thing to do to an unborn
 baby and those reponssible should be ashamed of
 themselves.



 What then? As a
> husband, I would prefer my Wife to keep her life and try again another
> day! - OR - Just suppose your daughter had been savagly raped and beaten and
> left pregnant? Would you want her to go through nine months of further
> torture and be left to rear the child of her abuser, possibly causing
> permanent pschycological damage? - I certainly wouldn't.

  That's a red herring and used by those who use every
 silly thing at their disposal to state their case.
  The facts are that it takes several days *after*
 intercourse for the sperm to reach an ovulating egg.
 Rapists do not stick around after they have raped their victim. The
victim should immediately call the police
 who will then take her to a rape center for treatment.
 The treatment prevents conception, so all these
rape victims who claim they got pregnant because
someone raped them are IMO suspicious victims, especially
 when they report the rape months after the event.



>
>
>
> >  As to the homosexuals, they should keep their sex lives to
> > themselves, if they didn't go around broadcasting it, no-one would
> > know, would they?
>
> Sadly, society simply will not let the gay thing go! - If they did, then I
> am sure the necessity to parade and protest would go away. Gays have every
> right to be treated equally as are everyone else. As for "knowing"? -
> Honestly, who cares? It is their own business after all.

  They carry their demand for equal treatment too far.
  They have no need to parade in the clothes of Catholic
  nuns showing their disdan for Christianity.  They
  would not be allowed to do the things they do if they
  were *not* homos.  Some of them have actually marched
 naked!!  I don't have to remind you that the disease
 called AIDS was *their* contribution to mankind. Their
 sex lives do *not* consist of a loving partner as some
 of them would like you to think,  they have numerous
 "partners" as part of their livestyle.  In afct one of them posted
that "a 1000 sex partners a year is not unusual......."

> >  No cafe would know if the person they were serving was
> >  a homo if the customer didn't tell them.
>
> LOL! I don't know what sort of cafe "you" go into, but "I" have never been
> in one that this problem would ever arise at all. Perhaps you frequent Gay
> cafes? Who knows! Their coffee would certainly be good for sure.

   The subject was "discrimination" and being refused
   service if it was known they were homos. I said,
  that if they didn't broadcast it no-one would ever know
  they were homos and thus they wouldn't be refused
  service. I don't know any *gay* cafes, if I did I would
 stay away from them.  Gay pubs"?  Why do they need
  their own pubs?

>
> --
> Hal Ó Mearadhaigh.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Boedicia@isp.com wrote:
> On Sep 24, 8:55 am, "Hal Ó Mearadhaigh."  wrote:
>> Boedi...@isp.comwrote:
>>> On Sep 19, 12:30 am, "Hal Ó Mearadhaigh." 
>>> wrote:
>>>> WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie> wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:25:53 +0100, "Hal Ó Mearadhaigh."
>>>>>  wrote:
>>
>>>>>> WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:28:29 -0700, claire.easth...@ntlworld.com
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>> On 17 Sep, 22:03, "eugene" <eug...@home.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote in message
>>
>>>>>>>>> news:911te3ls7g3sbstck54fbda8u5k51e21kl@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>   I try my best to work with people I feel are of good
>>>>>>>>> character...
>>
>>>>>>>>>> And over the years, I have found that I'm a good judge of
>>>>>>>>>> character...
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ray
>>
>>>>>>>>> This just has to be the funniest thing our little dwarf has
>>>>>>>>> ever written! I swore I wasn't responding to any more of his
>>>>>>>>> drivel but I had to share this.
>>
>>>>>>>>> hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
>>
>>>>>>>> Here is an aproximation of the sound I made when I read that
>>>>>>>> bit, it was a very loud PBRHA!!!
>>
>>>>>>> Fools are easily amused!  I have a shiny object, wanna look at
>>>>>>> it for a few hours?
>>
>>>>>> WHAT??? Your balls/dickhead?? NO thanks!
>>
>>>>> Go sit in the sandbox and let us adults discuss the issues of the
>>>>> day...  ok?
>>
>>>> ADULT??? - Oh, I don't think so!! Your opinions are so bereft of
>>>> any Christianity and tolerance, and so full of arrogance and
>>>> confrontationalism that they have lost all credibility. Doesn't it
>>>> stroke you as very odd that so very many people no longer bother
>>>> with your posts? It is your whackey ideas and support for stupid
>>>> opinions, such as total abortion that is to blame. Not practical,
>>>> no consideration of the mothers health, nothing!
>>
>>>   Childbirth is a natural thing, that's why there are
>>>  people on the planet.
>>
>> Agreed.
>>
>>> Removing a child from its
>>>   mothers womb before its time, results in the death of the child,
>>> *not* the woman.
>>
>> Perfectly correct. But nothing is black and white! - If there were
>> valid medical reasons that if the pregnancy was allowed to proceed
>> the mothere would die, for instance, and this does happen now and
>> again.

I was not even correct here myself!! Millions of women have died, "directly" 
as a result of having back street abortions done upon them!! So, you are 
quite wrong here, women DO die as a result of abortions being incorrectly 
performed. It is therefor more humane and just to allow abortions by law in 
certeain circumstances.

>
>   The millions of abortions in most countries in the world
>   are *not* to save the life of the mother, since,
>   as I said, childbirth is a natural thing.  They
>   are being done solely for  conveniences sake
>   and because governmenst such as the U.S. and Britain
>  e.g. were coerced into it by the radical feminist
>  movement.

Total bullshit!

>In India and China they are done because
>  the parents want a male child and with the advent
>  of machines that show the sex of the child, the
>  parents are able to know what sex the child will be.


That is true. However, I would go for an abortion rather than killing the 
child later, or selling it off to the sex market!

>   By the time that this is possible, the baby is fully formed.  It is
> a disgusting thing to do to an unborn
>  baby and those reponssible should be ashamed of
>  themselves.

Possibly. But a fully formed abortion is not usually allowed. Up to twenty 
weeks is allowed, but that is still when the child is fully formed. However, 
if there is something badly wrong with the child, IMO it is a far kinder and 
humane act to abort it, even at that stage. After all nature herself (God?) 
aborts faulty foetus whenever she can.
>
>
>
>  What then? As a
>> husband, I would prefer my Wife to keep her life and try again
>> another
>> day! - OR - Just suppose your daughter had been savagly raped and
>> beaten and left pregnant? Would you want her to go through nine
>> months of further torture and be left to rear the child of her
>> abuser, possibly causing permanent pschycological damage? - I
>> certainly wouldn't.
>
>   That's a red herring and used by those who use every
>  silly thing at their disposal to state their case.

No, it not a red herring. It is a situation that occurrs all the time, and 
is perfectly valid as a reason.

>   The facts are that it takes several days *after*
>  intercourse for the sperm to reach an ovulating egg.
>  Rapists do not stick around after they have raped their victim. The
> victim should immediately call the police
>  who will then take her to a rape center for treatment.

Have YOU ever been raped? I doubt it! Silly argument on your part.

>  The treatment prevents conception, so all these
> rape victims who claim they got pregnant because
> someone raped them are IMO suspicious victims, especially
>  when they report the rape months after the event.

Then you are as bad as the rapist.
>
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>>  As to the homosexuals, they should keep their sex lives to
>>> themselves, if they didn't go around broadcasting it, no-one would
>>> know, would they?
>>
>> Sadly, society simply will not let the gay thing go! - If they did,
>> then I am sure the necessity to parade and protest would go away.
>> Gays have every right to be treated equally as are everyone else. As
>> for "knowing"? - Honestly, who cares? It is their own business after
>> all.
>
>   They carry their demand for equal treatment too far.
>   They have no need to parade in the clothes of Catholic
>   nuns showing their disdan for Christianity.

It is a joke. Bad taste, but still a joke!

>They
>   would not be allowed to do the things they do if they
>   were *not* homos.

Rubbish! Since when were there any laws against mocking religion?

>Some of them have actually marched
>  naked!!  I don't have to remind you that the disease
>  called AIDS was *their* contribution to mankind. Their
>  sex lives do *not* consist of a loving partner as some
>  of them would like you to think,  they have numerous
>  "partners" as part of their livestyle.  In afct one of them posted
> that "a 1000 sex partners a year is not unusual......."

And? Are you actually saying that heterosexual males don't do the same?? - I 
suggest that you grow up!

>
>>>  No cafe would know if the person they were serving was
>>>  a homo if the customer didn't tell them.
>>
>> LOL! I don't know what sort of cafe "you" go into, but "I" have
>> never been in one that this problem would ever arise at all. Perhaps
>> you frequent Gay cafes? Who knows! Their coffee would certainly be
>> good for sure.
>
>    The subject was "discrimination" and being refused
>    service if it was known they were homos. I said,
>   that if they didn't broadcast it no-one would ever know
>   they were homos and thus they wouldn't be refused
>   service. I don't know any *gay* cafes, if I did I would
>  stay away from them.

Most Gays do not advertise their sexual prefernces, SFAIK.

Gay pubs"?  Why do they need
>   their own pubs?

Have you NO common sense? Perfectly obvious, I would have thought. They have 
to have somewhere that they can meet each other without the fear of chatting 
up the wrong person. People like you object to them being seen as obvious, 
after all!

-- 
Hal Ó Mearadhaigh.