Bertie Ahern's 4,000 euro donation to a loyalist estate has been clarified by a
spokesman.

Penny Holloway criticised the grant, saying some people in the Mount Vernon
estate in north Belfast were harbouring her teenage son's killers.

Thomas Devlin, 15, was stabbed to death on 10 August 2005 as he walked home.

The spokesman said the grant for an art piece was "in the context of the
commemoration of the 90th anniversary of the Battle of the Somme".

The grant was made to the Mount Vernon Community Development Forum through the
Commemoration Initiatives Fund.

The spokesman said the fund was "established to make resources available to
groups and organisations for the study and commemoration of historic events of
national importance".

"By providing financial support to local organisations, the aim of the fund is
to assist and encourage the development of local programmes of commemoration,"
he added.

"Given the limited budget available, such funding is, in general and by
necessity, of a token nature."

Ms Holloway and her husband wrote to Mr Ahern to make clear their disgust at his
office's decision.

Ms Holloway said: "It is wrong that this money from the taoiseach is being used
to give the impression this community has changed.

"We wrote to him because we felt the taoiseach was legitimising the actions of
some of the people in Mount Vernon, who are hiding, protecting and harbouring
Thomas's killers."

But loyalist spokesman Billy Hutchinson, who works on the estate, insisted
people had co-operated with police in the murder inquiry.

He said he rejected any suggestion that local people were withholding
information.

Sympathy

"The Devlins have had a lot of sympathy from this community," he told the BBC's
Nolan Show.

"I assure you it has been worked on - I've met police and they've said they were
satisfied they had made a number of enquiries and it was leading nowhere, and
they were satisfied that people here did not have information."

Police said forensic examinations of items including dog hair and other physical
evidence were being carried out.

They said they wanted to encourage what they called a small group of people who
know who killed Thomas to come forward.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/northern_ireland/6943137.stm

Government officials using tax money to appease Loyalist murders...  Nice! :(

Ray

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WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie> wrote:
> Bertie Ahern's 4,000 euro donation to a loyalist estate has been
> clarified by a spokesman.
>
> Penny Holloway criticised the grant, saying some people in the Mount
> Vernon estate in north Belfast were harbouring her teenage son's
> killers.
>
> Thomas Devlin, 15, was stabbed to death on 10 August 2005 as he
> walked home.
>
> The spokesman said the grant for an art piece was "in the context of
> the commemoration of the 90th anniversary of the Battle of the Somme".
>
> The grant was made to the Mount Vernon Community Development Forum
> through the Commemoration Initiatives Fund.
>
> The spokesman said the fund was "established to make resources
> available to groups and organisations for the study and commemoration
> of historic events of national importance".
>
> "By providing financial support to local organisations, the aim of
> the fund is to assist and encourage the development of local
> programmes of commemoration," he added.
>
> "Given the limited budget available, such funding is, in general and
> by necessity, of a token nature."
>
> Ms Holloway and her husband wrote to Mr Ahern to make clear their
> disgust at his office's decision.
>
> Ms Holloway said: "It is wrong that this money from the taoiseach is
> being used to give the impression this community has changed.
>
> "We wrote to him because we felt the taoiseach was legitimising the
> actions of some of the people in Mount Vernon, who are hiding,
> protecting and harbouring Thomas's killers."
>
> But loyalist spokesman Billy Hutchinson, who works on the estate,
> insisted people had co-operated with police in the murder inquiry.
>
> He said he rejected any suggestion that local people were withholding
> information.
>
> Sympathy
>
> "The Devlins have had a lot of sympathy from this community," he told
> the BBC's Nolan Show.
>
> "I assure you it has been worked on - I've met police and they've
> said they were satisfied they had made a number of enquiries and it
> was leading nowhere, and they were satisfied that people here did not
> have information."
>
> Police said forensic examinations of items including dog hair and
> other physical evidence were being carried out.
>
> They said they wanted to encourage what they called a small group of
> people who know who killed Thomas to come forward.
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/northern_ireland/6943137.stm
>
> Government officials using tax money to appease Loyalist murders...
> Nice! :(

Yeah! Well! Somewhat better than using Northern Bank Robbery money to pay 
off Sinn Fein/IRA God Fathers!

-- 
Hal Ó Mearadhaigh.

On 22 Aug, 18:15, "Hal Ó Mearadhaigh."  wrote:
> WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie> wrote:
> > Bertie Ahern's 4,000 euro donation to a loyalist estate has been
> > clarified by a spokesman.
>
> > Penny Holloway criticised the grant, saying some people in the Mount
> > Vernon estate in north Belfast were harbouring her teenage son's
> > killers.
>
> > Thomas Devlin, 15, was stabbed to death on 10 August 2005 as he
> > walked home.
>
> > The spokesman said the grant for an art piece was "in the context of
> > the commemoration of the 90th anniversary of the Battle of the Somme".
>
> > The grant was made to the Mount Vernon Community Development Forum
> > through the Commemoration Initiatives Fund.
>
> > The spokesman said the fund was "established to make resources
> > available to groups and organisations for the study and commemoration
> > of historic events of national importance".
>
> > "By providing financial support to local organisations, the aim of
> > the fund is to assist and encourage the development of local
> > programmes of commemoration," he added.
>
> > "Given the limited budget available, such funding is, in general and
> > by necessity, of a token nature."
>
> > Ms Holloway and her husband wrote to Mr Ahern to make clear their
> > disgust at his office's decision.
>
> > Ms Holloway said: "It is wrong that this money from the taoiseach is
> > being used to give the impression this community has changed.
>
> > "We wrote to him because we felt the taoiseach was legitimising the
> > actions of some of the people in Mount Vernon, who are hiding,
> > protecting and harbouring Thomas's killers."
>
> > But loyalist spokesman Billy Hutchinson, who works on the estate,
> > insisted people had co-operated with police in the murder inquiry.
>
> > He said he rejected any suggestion that local people were withholding
> > information.
>
> > Sympathy
>
> > "The Devlins have had a lot of sympathy from this community," he told
> > the BBC's Nolan Show.
>
> > "I assure you it has been worked on - I've met police and they've
> > said they were satisfied they had made a number of enquiries and it
> > was leading nowhere, and they were satisfied that people here did not
> > have information."
>
> > Police said forensic examinations of items including dog hair and
> > other physical evidence were being carried out.
>
> > They said they wanted to encourage what they called a small group of
> > people who know who killed Thomas to come forward.
>
> >http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/northern_ireland/6943137.stm
>
> > Government officials using tax money to appease Loyalist murders...
> > Nice! :(
>
> Yeah! Well! Somewhat better than using Northern Bank Robbery money to pay
> off Sinn Fein/IRA God Fathers!
>
> --
> Hal Ó Mearadhaigh.

Really and what evidence do you have to back that claim up or are you
once again just repeating unionist rhetoric without any basis in fact.

On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:15:10 +0100, "Hal Ó Mearadhaigh." 
wrote:

>WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie> wrote:
>> Bertie Ahern's 4,000 euro donation to a loyalist estate has been
>> clarified by a spokesman.
>>
>> Penny Holloway criticised the grant, saying some people in the Mount
>> Vernon estate in north Belfast were harbouring her teenage son's
>> killers.
>>
>> Thomas Devlin, 15, was stabbed to death on 10 August 2005 as he
>> walked home.
>>
>> The spokesman said the grant for an art piece was "in the context of
>> the commemoration of the 90th anniversary of the Battle of the Somme".
>>
>> The grant was made to the Mount Vernon Community Development Forum
>> through the Commemoration Initiatives Fund.
>>
>> The spokesman said the fund was "established to make resources
>> available to groups and organisations for the study and commemoration
>> of historic events of national importance".
>>
>> "By providing financial support to local organisations, the aim of
>> the fund is to assist and encourage the development of local
>> programmes of commemoration," he added.
>>
>> "Given the limited budget available, such funding is, in general and
>> by necessity, of a token nature."
>>
>> Ms Holloway and her husband wrote to Mr Ahern to make clear their
>> disgust at his office's decision.
>>
>> Ms Holloway said: "It is wrong that this money from the taoiseach is
>> being used to give the impression this community has changed.
>>
>> "We wrote to him because we felt the taoiseach was legitimising the
>> actions of some of the people in Mount Vernon, who are hiding,
>> protecting and harbouring Thomas's killers."
>>
>> But loyalist spokesman Billy Hutchinson, who works on the estate,
>> insisted people had co-operated with police in the murder inquiry.
>>
>> He said he rejected any suggestion that local people were withholding
>> information.
>>
>> Sympathy
>>
>> "The Devlins have had a lot of sympathy from this community," he told
>> the BBC's Nolan Show.
>>
>> "I assure you it has been worked on - I've met police and they've
>> said they were satisfied they had made a number of enquiries and it
>> was leading nowhere, and they were satisfied that people here did not
>> have information."
>>
>> Police said forensic examinations of items including dog hair and
>> other physical evidence were being carried out.
>>
>> They said they wanted to encourage what they called a small group of
>> people who know who killed Thomas to come forward.
>>
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/northern_ireland/6943137.stm
>>
>> Government officials using tax money to appease Loyalist murders...
>> Nice! :(
>
>Yeah! Well! Somewhat better than using Northern Bank Robbery money to pay 
>off Sinn Fein/IRA God Fathers!

Proof?

Ray

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WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie> wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:15:10 +0100, "Hal Ó Mearadhaigh."
>  wrote:
>
>> WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie> wrote:
>>> Bertie Ahern's 4,000 euro donation to a loyalist estate has been
>>> clarified by a spokesman.
>>>
>>> Penny Holloway criticised the grant, saying some people in the Mount
>>> Vernon estate in north Belfast were harbouring her teenage son's
>>> killers.
>>>
>>> Thomas Devlin, 15, was stabbed to death on 10 August 2005 as he
>>> walked home.
>>>
>>> The spokesman said the grant for an art piece was "in the context of
>>> the commemoration of the 90th anniversary of the Battle of the
>>> Somme".
>>>
>>> The grant was made to the Mount Vernon Community Development Forum
>>> through the Commemoration Initiatives Fund.
>>>
>>> The spokesman said the fund was "established to make resources
>>> available to groups and organisations for the study and
>>> commemoration of historic events of national importance".
>>>
>>> "By providing financial support to local organisations, the aim of
>>> the fund is to assist and encourage the development of local
>>> programmes of commemoration," he added.
>>>
>>> "Given the limited budget available, such funding is, in general and
>>> by necessity, of a token nature."
>>>
>>> Ms Holloway and her husband wrote to Mr Ahern to make clear their
>>> disgust at his office's decision.
>>>
>>> Ms Holloway said: "It is wrong that this money from the taoiseach is
>>> being used to give the impression this community has changed.
>>>
>>> "We wrote to him because we felt the taoiseach was legitimising the
>>> actions of some of the people in Mount Vernon, who are hiding,
>>> protecting and harbouring Thomas's killers."
>>>
>>> But loyalist spokesman Billy Hutchinson, who works on the estate,
>>> insisted people had co-operated with police in the murder inquiry.
>>>
>>> He said he rejected any suggestion that local people were
>>> withholding information.
>>>
>>> Sympathy
>>>
>>> "The Devlins have had a lot of sympathy from this community," he
>>> told the BBC's Nolan Show.
>>>
>>> "I assure you it has been worked on - I've met police and they've
>>> said they were satisfied they had made a number of enquiries and it
>>> was leading nowhere, and they were satisfied that people here did
>>> not have information."
>>>
>>> Police said forensic examinations of items including dog hair and
>>> other physical evidence were being carried out.
>>>
>>> They said they wanted to encourage what they called a small group of
>>> people who know who killed Thomas to come forward.
>>>
>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/northern_ireland/6943137.stm
>>>
>>> Government officials using tax money to appease Loyalist murders...
>>> Nice! :(
>>
>> Yeah! Well! Somewhat better than using Northern Bank Robbery money
>> to pay off Sinn Fein/IRA God Fathers!
>
> Proof?

Ah! The well known specious republican answer to all accusations! Well!Well! 
Why am I not surprised!

-- 
Hal Ó Mearadhaigh.

"WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote in message 
news:o3orc35bepcsfao46s2ehehujctvn9cvkj@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:15:10 +0100, "Hal Ó Mearadhaigh." 
> 
> wrote:
>
>>WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie> wrote:
>>> Bertie Ahern's 4,000 euro donation to a loyalist estate has been
>>> clarified by a spokesman.
>>>
>>> Penny Holloway criticised the grant, saying some people in the Mount
>>> Vernon estate in north Belfast were harbouring her teenage son's
>>> killers.
>>>
>>> Thomas Devlin, 15, was stabbed to death on 10 August 2005 as he
>>> walked home.
>>>
>>> The spokesman said the grant for an art piece was "in the context of
>>> the commemoration of the 90th anniversary of the Battle of the Somme".
>>>
>>> The grant was made to the Mount Vernon Community Development Forum
>>> through the Commemoration Initiatives Fund.
>>>
>>> The spokesman said the fund was "established to make resources
>>> available to groups and organisations for the study and commemoration
>>> of historic events of national importance".
>>>
>>> "By providing financial support to local organisations, the aim of
>>> the fund is to assist and encourage the development of local
>>> programmes of commemoration," he added.
>>>
>>> "Given the limited budget available, such funding is, in general and
>>> by necessity, of a token nature."
>>>
>>> Ms Holloway and her husband wrote to Mr Ahern to make clear their
>>> disgust at his office's decision.
>>>
>>> Ms Holloway said: "It is wrong that this money from the taoiseach is
>>> being used to give the impression this community has changed.
>>>
>>> "We wrote to him because we felt the taoiseach was legitimising the
>>> actions of some of the people in Mount Vernon, who are hiding,
>>> protecting and harbouring Thomas's killers."
>>>
>>> But loyalist spokesman Billy Hutchinson, who works on the estate,
>>> insisted people had co-operated with police in the murder inquiry.
>>>
>>> He said he rejected any suggestion that local people were withholding
>>> information.
>>>
>>> Sympathy
>>>
>>> "The Devlins have had a lot of sympathy from this community," he told
>>> the BBC's Nolan Show.
>>>
>>> "I assure you it has been worked on - I've met police and they've
>>> said they were satisfied they had made a number of enquiries and it
>>> was leading nowhere, and they were satisfied that people here did not
>>> have information."
>>>
>>> Police said forensic examinations of items including dog hair and
>>> other physical evidence were being carried out.
>>>
>>> They said they wanted to encourage what they called a small group of
>>> people who know who killed Thomas to come forward.
>>>
>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/northern_ireland/6943137.stm
>>>
>>> Government officials using tax money to appease Loyalist murders...
>>> Nice! :(
>>
>>Yeah! Well! Somewhat better than using Northern Bank Robbery money to pay
>>off Sinn Fein/IRA God Fathers!
>
> Proof?
> fuck me ray thats rich coming from you, get a life
> Ray
>
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On 23 Aug, 23:33, "Hal Ó Mearadhaigh."  wrote:
> WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie> wrote:
> > On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:15:10 퍝, "Hal Ó Mearadhaigh."
> >  wrote:
>
> >> WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie> wrote:
> >>> Bertie Ahern's 4,000 euro donation to a loyalist estate has been
> >>> clarified by a spokesman.
>
> >>> Penny Holloway criticised the grant, saying some people in the Mount
> >>> Vernon estate in north Belfast were harbouring her teenage son's
> >>> killers.
>
> >>> Thomas Devlin, 15, was stabbed to death on 10 August 2005 as he
> >>> walked home.
>
> >>> The spokesman said the grant for an art piece was "in the context of
> >>> the commemoration of the 90th anniversary of the Battle of the
> >>> Somme".
>
> >>> The grant was made to the Mount Vernon Community Development Forum
> >>> through the Commemoration Initiatives Fund.
>
> >>> The spokesman said the fund was "established to make resources
> >>> available to groups and organisations for the study and
> >>> commemoration of historic events of national importance".
>
> >>> "By providing financial support to local organisations, the aim of
> >>> the fund is to assist and encourage the development of local
> >>> programmes of commemoration," he added.
>
> >>> "Given the limited budget available, such funding is, in general and
> >>> by necessity, of a token nature."
>
> >>> Ms Holloway and her husband wrote to Mr Ahern to make clear their
> >>> disgust at his office's decision.
>
> >>> Ms Holloway said: "It is wrong that this money from the taoiseach is
> >>> being used to give the impression this community has changed.
>
> >>> "We wrote to him because we felt the taoiseach was legitimising the
> >>> actions of some of the people in Mount Vernon, who are hiding,
> >>> protecting and harbouring Thomas's killers."
>
> >>> But loyalist spokesman Billy Hutchinson, who works on the estate,
> >>> insisted people had co-operated with police in the murder inquiry.
>
> >>> He said he rejected any suggestion that local people were
> >>> withholding information.
>
> >>> Sympathy
>
> >>> "The Devlins have had a lot of sympathy from this community," he
> >>> told the BBC's Nolan Show.
>
> >>> "I assure you it has been worked on - I've met police and they've
> >>> said they were satisfied they had made a number of enquiries and it
> >>> was leading nowhere, and they were satisfied that people here did
> >>> not have information."
>
> >>> Police said forensic examinations of items including dog hair and
> >>> other physical evidence were being carried out.
>
> >>> They said they wanted to encourage what they called a small group of
> >>> people who know who killed Thomas to come forward.
>
> >>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/northern_ireland/6943137.stm
>
> >>> Government officials using tax money to appease Loyalist murders...
> >>> Nice! :(
>
> >> Yeah! Well! Somewhat better than using Northern Bank Robbery money
> >> to pay off Sinn Fein/IRA God Fathers!
>
> > Proof?
>
> Ah! The well known specious republican answer to all accusations! Well!Well!
> Why am I not surprised!
>
> --
> Hal Ó Mearadhaigh.

Is it only republicans you ignore the presumption of innocence. You
made a strong definite allegation and the the burden of proof is on
you. Can you tell me the names of all the men involved in the Northern
bank robbery and when they joined Sinn Fein or the PIRA even. The
presumption of guilt is unfair and even immoral because it allows the
strategic targeting of any individual, clearly thats what your doing
here, nothing more.

On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 23:33:13 +0100, "Hal Ó Mearadhaigh." 
wrote:

>WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie> wrote:
>> On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:15:10 +0100, "Hal Ó Mearadhaigh."
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie> wrote:
>>>> Bertie Ahern's 4,000 euro donation to a loyalist estate has been
>>>> clarified by a spokesman.
>>>>
>>>> Penny Holloway criticised the grant, saying some people in the Mount
>>>> Vernon estate in north Belfast were harbouring her teenage son's
>>>> killers.
>>>>
>>>> Thomas Devlin, 15, was stabbed to death on 10 August 2005 as he
>>>> walked home.
>>>>
>>>> The spokesman said the grant for an art piece was "in the context of
>>>> the commemoration of the 90th anniversary of the Battle of the
>>>> Somme".
>>>>
>>>> The grant was made to the Mount Vernon Community Development Forum
>>>> through the Commemoration Initiatives Fund.
>>>>
>>>> The spokesman said the fund was "established to make resources
>>>> available to groups and organisations for the study and
>>>> commemoration of historic events of national importance".
>>>>
>>>> "By providing financial support to local organisations, the aim of
>>>> the fund is to assist and encourage the development of local
>>>> programmes of commemoration," he added.
>>>>
>>>> "Given the limited budget available, such funding is, in general and
>>>> by necessity, of a token nature."
>>>>
>>>> Ms Holloway and her husband wrote to Mr Ahern to make clear their
>>>> disgust at his office's decision.
>>>>
>>>> Ms Holloway said: "It is wrong that this money from the taoiseach is
>>>> being used to give the impression this community has changed.
>>>>
>>>> "We wrote to him because we felt the taoiseach was legitimising the
>>>> actions of some of the people in Mount Vernon, who are hiding,
>>>> protecting and harbouring Thomas's killers."
>>>>
>>>> But loyalist spokesman Billy Hutchinson, who works on the estate,
>>>> insisted people had co-operated with police in the murder inquiry.
>>>>
>>>> He said he rejected any suggestion that local people were
>>>> withholding information.
>>>>
>>>> Sympathy
>>>>
>>>> "The Devlins have had a lot of sympathy from this community," he
>>>> told the BBC's Nolan Show.
>>>>
>>>> "I assure you it has been worked on - I've met police and they've
>>>> said they were satisfied they had made a number of enquiries and it
>>>> was leading nowhere, and they were satisfied that people here did
>>>> not have information."
>>>>
>>>> Police said forensic examinations of items including dog hair and
>>>> other physical evidence were being carried out.
>>>>
>>>> They said they wanted to encourage what they called a small group of
>>>> people who know who killed Thomas to come forward.
>>>>
>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/northern_ireland/6943137.stm
>>>>
>>>> Government officials using tax money to appease Loyalist murders...
>>>> Nice! :(
>>>
>>> Yeah! Well! Somewhat better than using Northern Bank Robbery money
>>> to pay off Sinn Fein/IRA God Fathers!
>>
>> Proof?
>
>Ah! The well known specious republican answer to all accusations! Well!Well! 
>Why am I not surprised!

Why aren't you supplying proof?

Ray

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WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie> wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 23:33:13 +0100, "Hal Ó Mearadhaigh."
>  wrote:
>
>> WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:15:10 +0100, "Hal Ó Mearadhaigh."
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie> wrote:
>>>>> Bertie Ahern's 4,000 euro donation to a loyalist estate has been
>>>>> clarified by a spokesman.
>>>>>
>>>>> Penny Holloway criticised the grant, saying some people in the
>>>>> Mount Vernon estate in north Belfast were harbouring her teenage
>>>>> son's killers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thomas Devlin, 15, was stabbed to death on 10 August 2005 as he
>>>>> walked home.
>>>>>
>>>>> The spokesman said the grant for an art piece was "in the context
>>>>> of the commemoration of the 90th anniversary of the Battle of the
>>>>> Somme".
>>>>>
>>>>> The grant was made to the Mount Vernon Community Development Forum
>>>>> through the Commemoration Initiatives Fund.
>>>>>
>>>>> The spokesman said the fund was "established to make resources
>>>>> available to groups and organisations for the study and
>>>>> commemoration of historic events of national importance".
>>>>>
>>>>> "By providing financial support to local organisations, the aim of
>>>>> the fund is to assist and encourage the development of local
>>>>> programmes of commemoration," he added.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Given the limited budget available, such funding is, in general
>>>>> and by necessity, of a token nature."
>>>>>
>>>>> Ms Holloway and her husband wrote to Mr Ahern to make clear their
>>>>> disgust at his office's decision.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ms Holloway said: "It is wrong that this money from the taoiseach
>>>>> is being used to give the impression this community has changed.
>>>>>
>>>>> "We wrote to him because we felt the taoiseach was legitimising
>>>>> the actions of some of the people in Mount Vernon, who are hiding,
>>>>> protecting and harbouring Thomas's killers."
>>>>>
>>>>> But loyalist spokesman Billy Hutchinson, who works on the estate,
>>>>> insisted people had co-operated with police in the murder inquiry.
>>>>>
>>>>> He said he rejected any suggestion that local people were
>>>>> withholding information.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sympathy
>>>>>
>>>>> "The Devlins have had a lot of sympathy from this community," he
>>>>> told the BBC's Nolan Show.
>>>>>
>>>>> "I assure you it has been worked on - I've met police and they've
>>>>> said they were satisfied they had made a number of enquiries and
>>>>> it was leading nowhere, and they were satisfied that people here
>>>>> did not have information."
>>>>>
>>>>> Police said forensic examinations of items including dog hair and
>>>>> other physical evidence were being carried out.
>>>>>
>>>>> They said they wanted to encourage what they called a small group
>>>>> of people who know who killed Thomas to come forward.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/northern_ireland/6943137.stm
>>>>>
>>>>> Government officials using tax money to appease Loyalist
>>>>> murders... Nice! :(
>>>>
>>>> Yeah! Well! Somewhat better than using Northern Bank Robbery money
>>>> to pay off Sinn Fein/IRA God Fathers!
>>>
>>> Proof?
>>
>> Ah! The well known specious republican answer to all accusations!
>> Well!Well! Why am I not surprised!
>
> Why aren't you supplying proof?

Because I don't need to!

-- 
Hal Ó Mearadhaigh.

>
> Ray

On 27 Aug, 19:29, "Hal Ó Mearadhaigh."  wrote:
> WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie> wrote:
> > On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 23:33:13 퍝, "Hal Ó Mearadhaigh."
> >  wrote:
>
> >> WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie> wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:15:10 퍝, "Hal Ó Mearadhaigh."
> >>>  wrote:
>
> >>>> WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie> wrote:
> >>>>> Bertie Ahern's 4,000 euro donation to a loyalist estate has been
> >>>>> clarified by a spokesman.
>
> >>>>> Penny Holloway criticised the grant, saying some people in the
> >>>>> Mount Vernon estate in north Belfast were harbouring her teenage
> >>>>> son's killers.
>
> >>>>> Thomas Devlin, 15, was stabbed to death on 10 August 2005 as he
> >>>>> walked home.
>
> >>>>> The spokesman said the grant for an art piece was "in the context
> >>>>> of the commemoration of the 90th anniversary of the Battle of the
> >>>>> Somme".
>
> >>>>> The grant was made to the Mount Vernon Community Development Forum
> >>>>> through the Commemoration Initiatives Fund.
>
> >>>>> The spokesman said the fund was "established to make resources
> >>>>> available to groups and organisations for the study and
> >>>>> commemoration of historic events of national importance".
>
> >>>>> "By providing financial support to local organisations, the aim of
> >>>>> the fund is to assist and encourage the development of local
> >>>>> programmes of commemoration," he added.
>
> >>>>> "Given the limited budget available, such funding is, in general
> >>>>> and by necessity, of a token nature."
>
> >>>>> Ms Holloway and her husband wrote to Mr Ahern to make clear their
> >>>>> disgust at his office's decision.
>
> >>>>> Ms Holloway said: "It is wrong that this money from the taoiseach
> >>>>> is being used to give the impression this community has changed.
>
> >>>>> "We wrote to him because we felt the taoiseach was legitimising
> >>>>> the actions of some of the people in Mount Vernon, who are hiding,
> >>>>> protecting and harbouring Thomas's killers."
>
> >>>>> But loyalist spokesman Billy Hutchinson, who works on the estate,
> >>>>> insisted people had co-operated with police in the murder inquiry.
>
> >>>>> He said he rejected any suggestion that local people were
> >>>>> withholding information.
>
> >>>>> Sympathy
>
> >>>>> "The Devlins have had a lot of sympathy from this community," he
> >>>>> told the BBC's Nolan Show.
>
> >>>>> "I assure you it has been worked on - I've met police and they've
> >>>>> said they were satisfied they had made a number of enquiries and
> >>>>> it was leading nowhere, and they were satisfied that people here
> >>>>> did not have information."
>
> >>>>> Police said forensic examinations of items including dog hair and
> >>>>> other physical evidence were being carried out.
>
> >>>>> They said they wanted to encourage what they called a small group
> >>>>> of people who know who killed Thomas to come forward.
>
> >>>>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/northern_ireland/6943137.stm
>
> >>>>> Government officials using tax money to appease Loyalist
> >>>>> murders... Nice! :(
>
> >>>> Yeah! Well! Somewhat better than using Northern Bank Robbery money
> >>>> to pay off Sinn Fein/IRA God Fathers!
>
> >>> Proof?
>
> >> Ah! The well known specious republican answer to all accusations!
> >> Well!Well! Why am I not surprised!
>
> > Why aren't you supplying proof?
>
> Because I don't need to!
>
> --
> Hal Ó Mearadhaigh.
>
>
>
> > Ray

Well a court does, do you think thats why nobody will be brought
before a court. A strong definite allegation has been made and the the
burden of proof is on the person who makes the allegation. Thats you.
Sounds like you have made your mind up without seeing any evidence at
all,  clearly there is a politcal agenda here.