BBC NEWS
Anger at Irish police turban ban
Pressure is growing on the Irish police to allow a Sikh man training to be an
officer to wear a turban on duty.

The man, an IT professional in his 20s training to be part of the Garda Reserve,
has been told he must wear a standard issue hat.

Ciaran Cuffe, a Green Party member of Ireland's parliament, has written to Garda
Commissioner Noel Conroy calling for the ban to be lifted.

"The turban is a vital part of the rules of the Sikh religion," he said.

"Sikh men are prohibited from cutting their hair or appearing in public without
the turban.

"In my opinion, the wearing of a turban would in no way impinge upon the
operational effectiveness of a member of the force."

An association of Sikh police officers in London has strongly criticised the
decision.

The Metropolitan Police Sikh Association said An Garda Siochana's uniform policy
was 40 years behind the United Kingdom.

"The question is not one of cultural integration, rather of religious rights and
freedom to practise an individual's faith, regardless of jurisdiction," the
group said.

The Sikh man has said he will not be taking up his post and the Irish Sikh
Council has also criticised the garda position.

An Garda Siochana has insisted all members are required to wear standard issue
uniform when on operational duties.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/northern_ireland/6957844.stm

If the Brit police can cope with turban wearing cops, why can't the Gardai?

Ray

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On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11:43:02 -0400, "WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"
 wrote:

> BBC NEWS
>Anger at Irish police turban ban
>Pressure is growing on the Irish police to allow a Sikh man training to be an
>officer to wear a turban on duty.
>
>The man, an IT professional in his 20s training to be part of the Garda Reserve,
>has been told he must wear a standard issue hat.
>
>Ciaran Cuffe, a Green Party member of Ireland's parliament, has written to Garda
>Commissioner Noel Conroy calling for the ban to be lifted.
>
>"The turban is a vital part of the rules of the Sikh religion," he said.
>
>"Sikh men are prohibited from cutting their hair or appearing in public without
>the turban.
>
>"In my opinion, the wearing of a turban would in no way impinge upon the
>operational effectiveness of a member of the force."
>
>An association of Sikh police officers in London has strongly criticised the
>decision.
>
>The Metropolitan Police Sikh Association said An Garda Siochana's uniform policy
>was 40 years behind the United Kingdom.
>
>"The question is not one of cultural integration, rather of religious rights and
>freedom to practise an individual's faith, regardless of jurisdiction," the
>group said.
>
>The Sikh man has said he will not be taking up his post and the Irish Sikh
>Council has also criticised the garda position.
>
>An Garda Siochana has insisted all members are required to wear standard issue
>uniform when on operational duties.
>Story from BBC NEWS:
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/northern_ireland/6957844.stm
>
>If the Brit police can cope with turban wearing cops, why can't the Gardai?
>
>Ray

There's actually more to a Sikh wearing a turban than you may be
aware. Its significance is that it instantly identifies the wearer as
a Sikh. This means that a Sikh openly advertises his faith and thereby
puts himself at risk of being attacked by fanatics from other
religions at any time. This is partly why every Sikh is considered a
warrior and bears the last name "Singh [Lion], because he is prepared
to die for his faith and cannot pretend to be something else.

I admire a people who are willing to die for their faith with a clear
mind, as opposed to suicide bombers who have been conned into laying
down their lives in the belief that it will further the spead of their
religion.

The Sikh greeting on meeting and leaving is "Sat Sri Akal!" (God is
Light.) As a reminder that their and our languages descend from the
same root language - Sanskrit - the Sikh word for a saint is Sant.

Punjab/Panch-ab means five rivers and describes the original territory
of the Skihs; most of modern Northern India. Punch, the drink,
originally created in India in the time of the British Raj, is
so-called because it is made from five ingredients. India is also the
civilization which gave us workable numbers, including zero. 

As for Sanskrit, the oldest language still spoken, compare your
numbers with it: Note how close French is to these numbers.

Sanskrit:	French		Irish
Eka		Un		Aon
Dva		Deux		Dó
Triya		Trois		Trí
Catvara 	Quatre		Ceathair
Panch		Cinq		Cúig
Sat		Six		Sé
Sapta 		Sept		Seacht
Asta		Huit		Ocht
Nava		Neuf		Naoi
Deka		Dix		Deich
   
I hope I haven't bored you unduly.

The Highlander 
Tilgibh smucaid air do làmhan, 
togaibh a' bhratach dhubh agus 
toisichibh a' geàrradh na sgòrnanan!

On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 17:42:40 GMT, The Highlander 
wrote:

>On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11:43:02 -0400, "WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"
> wrote:
>
>> BBC NEWS
>>Anger at Irish police turban ban
>>Pressure is growing on the Irish police to allow a Sikh man training to be an
>>officer to wear a turban on duty.
>>
>>The man, an IT professional in his 20s training to be part of the Garda Reserve,
>>has been told he must wear a standard issue hat.
>>
>>Ciaran Cuffe, a Green Party member of Ireland's parliament, has written to Garda
>>Commissioner Noel Conroy calling for the ban to be lifted.
>>
>>"The turban is a vital part of the rules of the Sikh religion," he said.
>>
>>"Sikh men are prohibited from cutting their hair or appearing in public without
>>the turban.
>>
>>"In my opinion, the wearing of a turban would in no way impinge upon the
>>operational effectiveness of a member of the force."
>>
>>An association of Sikh police officers in London has strongly criticised the
>>decision.
>>
>>The Metropolitan Police Sikh Association said An Garda Siochana's uniform policy
>>was 40 years behind the United Kingdom.
>>
>>"The question is not one of cultural integration, rather of religious rights and
>>freedom to practise an individual's faith, regardless of jurisdiction," the
>>group said.
>>
>>The Sikh man has said he will not be taking up his post and the Irish Sikh
>>Council has also criticised the garda position.
>>
>>An Garda Siochana has insisted all members are required to wear standard issue
>>uniform when on operational duties.
>>Story from BBC NEWS:
>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/northern_ireland/6957844.stm
>>
>>If the Brit police can cope with turban wearing cops, why can't the Gardai?
>>
>>Ray
>
>There's actually more to a Sikh wearing a turban than you may be
>aware. Its significance is that it instantly identifies the wearer as
>a Sikh. This means that a Sikh openly advertises his faith and thereby
>puts himself at risk of being attacked by fanatics from other
>religions at any time. This is partly why every Sikh is considered a
>warrior and bears the last name "Singh [Lion], because he is prepared
>to die for his faith and cannot pretend to be something else.
>
>I admire a people who are willing to die for their faith with a clear
>mind, as opposed to suicide bombers who have been conned into laying
>down their lives in the belief that it will further the spead of their
>religion.
>
>The Sikh greeting on meeting and leaving is "Sat Sri Akal!" (God is
>Light.) As a reminder that their and our languages descend from the
>same root language - Sanskrit - the Sikh word for a saint is Sant.
>
>Punjab/Panch-ab means five rivers and describes the original territory
>of the Skihs; most of modern Northern India. Punch, the drink,
>originally created in India in the time of the British Raj, is
>so-called because it is made from five ingredients. India is also the
>civilization which gave us workable numbers, including zero. 
>
>As for Sanskrit, the oldest language still spoken, compare your
>numbers with it: Note how close French is to these numbers.
>
>Sanskrit:	French		Irish
>Eka		Un		Aon
>Dva		Deux		Dó
>Triya		Trois		Trí
>Catvara 	Quatre		Ceathair
>Panch		Cinq		Cúig
>Sat		Six		Sé
>Sapta 		Sept		Seacht
>Asta		Huit		Ocht
>Nava		Neuf		Naoi
>Deka		Dix		Deich
>   
>I hope I haven't bored you unduly.
>
>The Highlander 
>Tilgibh smucaid air do làmhan, 
>togaibh a' bhratach dhubh agus 
>toisichibh a' geàrradh na sgòrnanan!

Sikhs can wear a patka like Monty Panesar.

Does the copper have a great big beard, a comb 
and a dagger,  a bangle and short trousers?

max.it (the orange cage)

max.it wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 17:42:40 GMT, The Highlander 
> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11:43:02 -0400, "WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> BBC NEWS
>>> Anger at Irish police turban ban
>>> Pressure is growing on the Irish police to allow a Sikh man
>>> training to be an officer to wear a turban on duty.
>>>
>>> The man, an IT professional in his 20s training to be part of the
>>> Garda Reserve, has been told he must wear a standard issue hat.
>>>
>>> Ciaran Cuffe, a Green Party member of Ireland's parliament, has
>>> written to Garda Commissioner Noel Conroy calling for the ban to be
>>> lifted.
>>>
>>> "The turban is a vital part of the rules of the Sikh religion," he
>>> said.
>>>
>>> "Sikh men are prohibited from cutting their hair or appearing in
>>> public without the turban.
>>>
>>> "In my opinion, the wearing of a turban would in no way impinge
>>> upon the operational effectiveness of a member of the force."
>>>
>>> An association of Sikh police officers in London has strongly
>>> criticised the decision.
>>>
>>> The Metropolitan Police Sikh Association said An Garda Siochana's
>>> uniform policy was 40 years behind the United Kingdom.
>>>
>>> "The question is not one of cultural integration, rather of
>>> religious rights and freedom to practise an individual's faith,
>>> regardless of jurisdiction," the group said.
>>>
>>> The Sikh man has said he will not be taking up his post and the
>>> Irish Sikh Council has also criticised the garda position.
>>>
>>> An Garda Siochana has insisted all members are required to wear
>>> standard issue uniform when on operational duties.
>>> Story from BBC NEWS:
>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/northern_ireland/6957844.stm
>>>
>>> If the Brit police can cope with turban wearing cops, why can't the
>>> Gardai?
>>>
>>> Ray
>>
>> There's actually more to a Sikh wearing a turban than you may be
>> aware. Its significance is that it instantly identifies the wearer as
>> a Sikh. This means that a Sikh openly advertises his faith and
>> thereby puts himself at risk of being attacked by fanatics from other
>> religions at any time. This is partly why every Sikh is considered a
>> warrior and bears the last name "Singh [Lion], because he is prepared
>> to die for his faith and cannot pretend to be something else.
>>
>> I admire a people who are willing to die for their faith with a clear
>> mind, as opposed to suicide bombers who have been conned into laying
>> down their lives in the belief that it will further the spead of
>> their religion.
>>
>> The Sikh greeting on meeting and leaving is "Sat Sri Akal!" (God is
>> Light.) As a reminder that their and our languages descend from the
>> same root language - Sanskrit - the Sikh word for a saint is Sant.
>>
>> Punjab/Panch-ab means five rivers and describes the original
>> territory of the Skihs; most of modern Northern India. Punch, the
>> drink, originally created in India in the time of the British Raj, is
>> so-called because it is made from five ingredients. India is also the
>> civilization which gave us workable numbers, including zero.
>>
>> As for Sanskrit, the oldest language still spoken, compare your
>> numbers with it: Note how close French is to these numbers.
>>
>> Sanskrit: French Irish
>> Eka Un Aon
>> Dva Deux Dó
>> Triya Trois Trí
>> Catvara Quatre Ceathair
>> Panch Cinq Cúig
>> Sat Six Sé
>> Sapta Sept Seacht
>> Asta Huit Ocht
>> Nava Neuf Naoi
>> Deka Dix Deich
>>
>> I hope I haven't bored you unduly.
>>
>> The Highlander
>> Tilgibh smucaid air do làmhan,
>> togaibh a' bhratach dhubh agus
>> toisichibh a' geàrradh na sgòrnanan!
>
> Sikhs can wear a patka like Monty Panesar.
>
> Does the copper have a great big beard, a comb
> and a dagger,  a bangle and short trousers?

Apparantly, he IS allowed a ceremonial dagger, a beard, and his turban 
decorated with the local PS logo, but not the bangle, nor the short 
trousers.

-- 
Hal Ó Mearadhaigh.

On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 23:29:58 +0100, "Hal Ó Mearadhaigh."
 wrote:

>max.it wrote:
>> On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 17:42:40 GMT, The Highlander 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11:43:02 -0400, "WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> BBC NEWS
>>>> Anger at Irish police turban ban
>>>> Pressure is growing on the Irish police to allow a Sikh man
>>>> training to be an officer to wear a turban on duty.
>>>>
>>>> The man, an IT professional in his 20s training to be part of the
>>>> Garda Reserve, has been told he must wear a standard issue hat.
>>>>
>>>> Ciaran Cuffe, a Green Party member of Ireland's parliament, has
>>>> written to Garda Commissioner Noel Conroy calling for the ban to be
>>>> lifted.
>>>>
>>>> "The turban is a vital part of the rules of the Sikh religion," he
>>>> said.
>>>>
>>>> "Sikh men are prohibited from cutting their hair or appearing in
>>>> public without the turban.
>>>>
>>>> "In my opinion, the wearing of a turban would in no way impinge
>>>> upon the operational effectiveness of a member of the force."
>>>>
>>>> An association of Sikh police officers in London has strongly
>>>> criticised the decision.
>>>>
>>>> The Metropolitan Police Sikh Association said An Garda Siochana's
>>>> uniform policy was 40 years behind the United Kingdom.
>>>>
>>>> "The question is not one of cultural integration, rather of
>>>> religious rights and freedom to practise an individual's faith,
>>>> regardless of jurisdiction," the group said.
>>>>
>>>> The Sikh man has said he will not be taking up his post and the
>>>> Irish Sikh Council has also criticised the garda position.
>>>>
>>>> An Garda Siochana has insisted all members are required to wear
>>>> standard issue uniform when on operational duties.
>>>> Story from BBC NEWS:
>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/northern_ireland/6957844.stm
>>>>
>>>> If the Brit police can cope with turban wearing cops, why can't the
>>>> Gardai?
>>>>
>>>> Ray
>>>
>>> There's actually more to a Sikh wearing a turban than you may be
>>> aware. Its significance is that it instantly identifies the wearer as
>>> a Sikh. This means that a Sikh openly advertises his faith and
>>> thereby puts himself at risk of being attacked by fanatics from other
>>> religions at any time. This is partly why every Sikh is considered a
>>> warrior and bears the last name "Singh [Lion], because he is prepared
>>> to die for his faith and cannot pretend to be something else.
>>>
>>> I admire a people who are willing to die for their faith with a clear
>>> mind, as opposed to suicide bombers who have been conned into laying
>>> down their lives in the belief that it will further the spead of
>>> their religion.
>>>
>>> The Sikh greeting on meeting and leaving is "Sat Sri Akal!" (God is
>>> Light.) As a reminder that their and our languages descend from the
>>> same root language - Sanskrit - the Sikh word for a saint is Sant.
>>>
>>> Punjab/Panch-ab means five rivers and describes the original
>>> territory of the Skihs; most of modern Northern India. Punch, the
>>> drink, originally created in India in the time of the British Raj, is
>>> so-called because it is made from five ingredients. India is also the
>>> civilization which gave us workable numbers, including zero.
>>>
>>> As for Sanskrit, the oldest language still spoken, compare your
>>> numbers with it: Note how close French is to these numbers.
>>>
>>> Sanskrit: French Irish
>>> Eka Un Aon
>>> Dva Deux Dó
>>> Triya Trois Trí
>>> Catvara Quatre Ceathair
>>> Panch Cinq Cúig
>>> Sat Six Sé
>>> Sapta Sept Seacht
>>> Asta Huit Ocht
>>> Nava Neuf Naoi
>>> Deka Dix Deich
>>>
>>> I hope I haven't bored you unduly.
>>>
>>> The Highlander
>>> Tilgibh smucaid air do làmhan,
>>> togaibh a' bhratach dhubh agus
>>> toisichibh a' geàrradh na sgòrnanan!
>>
>> Sikhs can wear a patka like Monty Panesar.
>>
>> Does the copper have a great big beard, a comb
>> and a dagger,  a bangle and short trousers?
>
>Apparantly, he IS allowed a ceremonial dagger, a beard, and his turban 
>decorated with the local PS logo, but not the bangle, nor the short 
>trousers.

That's 3 from 5 Ks in the Sikh code which is not bad. Idon't mind the
bangle but the great big beard, dagger and short trousers just reminds
me of Robinson Crusoe.

BTW, I have met only a few Sikhs who wear the gear to some extent, and
it is usually the dagger and short trousers that is excluded from
everyday use.

Mehendra Singh Doni went for a haircut, 
there was something like 5 000 people following him, tv crews and the
like, and hundreds of thousands watching on tv channels.

max.it (the orange cage)

>
>-- 
>Hal Ó Mearadhaigh. 
>

max.it wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 23:29:58 +0100, "Hal Ó Mearadhaigh."
>  wrote:
>
>> max.it wrote:
>>> On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 17:42:40 GMT, The Highlander 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11:43:02 -0400, "WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> BBC NEWS
>>>>> Anger at Irish police turban ban
>>>>> Pressure is growing on the Irish police to allow a Sikh man
>>>>> training to be an officer to wear a turban on duty.
>>>>>
>>>>> The man, an IT professional in his 20s training to be part of the
>>>>> Garda Reserve, has been told he must wear a standard issue hat.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ciaran Cuffe, a Green Party member of Ireland's parliament, has
>>>>> written to Garda Commissioner Noel Conroy calling for the ban to
>>>>> be lifted.
>>>>>
>>>>> "The turban is a vital part of the rules of the Sikh religion," he
>>>>> said.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Sikh men are prohibited from cutting their hair or appearing in
>>>>> public without the turban.
>>>>>
>>>>> "In my opinion, the wearing of a turban would in no way impinge
>>>>> upon the operational effectiveness of a member of the force."
>>>>>
>>>>> An association of Sikh police officers in London has strongly
>>>>> criticised the decision.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Metropolitan Police Sikh Association said An Garda Siochana's
>>>>> uniform policy was 40 years behind the United Kingdom.
>>>>>
>>>>> "The question is not one of cultural integration, rather of
>>>>> religious rights and freedom to practise an individual's faith,
>>>>> regardless of jurisdiction," the group said.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Sikh man has said he will not be taking up his post and the
>>>>> Irish Sikh Council has also criticised the garda position.
>>>>>
>>>>> An Garda Siochana has insisted all members are required to wear
>>>>> standard issue uniform when on operational duties.
>>>>> Story from BBC NEWS:
>>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/northern_ireland/6957844.stm
>>>>>
>>>>> If the Brit police can cope with turban wearing cops, why can't
>>>>> the Gardai?
>>>>>
>>>>> Ray
>>>>
>>>> There's actually more to a Sikh wearing a turban than you may be
>>>> aware. Its significance is that it instantly identifies the wearer
>>>> as a Sikh. This means that a Sikh openly advertises his faith and
>>>> thereby puts himself at risk of being attacked by fanatics from
>>>> other religions at any time. This is partly why every Sikh is
>>>> considered a warrior and bears the last name "Singh [Lion],
>>>> because he is prepared to die for his faith and cannot pretend to
>>>> be something else.
>>>>
>>>> I admire a people who are willing to die for their faith with a
>>>> clear mind, as opposed to suicide bombers who have been conned
>>>> into laying down their lives in the belief that it will further
>>>> the spead of their religion.
>>>>
>>>> The Sikh greeting on meeting and leaving is "Sat Sri Akal!" (God is
>>>> Light.) As a reminder that their and our languages descend from the
>>>> same root language - Sanskrit - the Sikh word for a saint is Sant.
>>>>
>>>> Punjab/Panch-ab means five rivers and describes the original
>>>> territory of the Skihs; most of modern Northern India. Punch, the
>>>> drink, originally created in India in the time of the British Raj,
>>>> is so-called because it is made from five ingredients. India is
>>>> also the civilization which gave us workable numbers, including
>>>> zero.
>>>>
>>>> As for Sanskrit, the oldest language still spoken, compare your
>>>> numbers with it: Note how close French is to these numbers.
>>>>
>>>> Sanskrit: French Irish
>>>> Eka Un Aon
>>>> Dva Deux Dó
>>>> Triya Trois Trí
>>>> Catvara Quatre Ceathair
>>>> Panch Cinq Cúig
>>>> Sat Six Sé
>>>> Sapta Sept Seacht
>>>> Asta Huit Ocht
>>>> Nava Neuf Naoi
>>>> Deka Dix Deich
>>>>
>>>> I hope I haven't bored you unduly.
>>>>
>>>> The Highlander
>>>> Tilgibh smucaid air do làmhan,
>>>> togaibh a' bhratach dhubh agus
>>>> toisichibh a' geàrradh na sgòrnanan!
>>>
>>> Sikhs can wear a patka like Monty Panesar.
>>>
>>> Does the copper have a great big beard, a comb
>>> and a dagger,  a bangle and short trousers?
>>
>> Apparantly, he IS allowed a ceremonial dagger, a beard, and his
>> turban decorated with the local PS logo, but not the bangle, nor the
>> short trousers.
>
> That's 3 from 5 Ks in the Sikh code which is not bad. Idon't mind the
> bangle but the great big beard, dagger and short trousers just reminds
> me of Robinson Crusoe.

Ah, so you feel the same way about the Muslims then?

>
> BTW, I have met only a few Sikhs who wear the gear to some extent, and
> it is usually the dagger and short trousers that is excluded from
> everyday use.
>
> Mehendra Singh Doni went for a haircut,
> there was something like 5 000 people following him, tv crews and the
> like, and hundreds of thousands watching on tv channels.
>


Yes, he committed some sort of Sikh sacrelidge by cutting his hair!! The 
whole point of the turban is that they should NOT cut their hair under any 
circumstances. It is a sign of respect of some sort and highly religious.

-- 
Hal Ó Mearadhaigh.

On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 17:42:40 GMT, The Highlander  wrote:

>On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11:43:02 -0400, "WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"
> wrote:
>
>> BBC NEWS
>>Anger at Irish police turban ban
>>Pressure is growing on the Irish police to allow a Sikh man training to be an
>>officer to wear a turban on duty.
>>
>>The man, an IT professional in his 20s training to be part of the Garda Reserve,
>>has been told he must wear a standard issue hat.
>>
>>Ciaran Cuffe, a Green Party member of Ireland's parliament, has written to Garda
>>Commissioner Noel Conroy calling for the ban to be lifted.
>>
>>"The turban is a vital part of the rules of the Sikh religion," he said.
>>
>>"Sikh men are prohibited from cutting their hair or appearing in public without
>>the turban.
>>
>>"In my opinion, the wearing of a turban would in no way impinge upon the
>>operational effectiveness of a member of the force."
>>
>>An association of Sikh police officers in London has strongly criticised the
>>decision.
>>
>>The Metropolitan Police Sikh Association said An Garda Siochana's uniform policy
>>was 40 years behind the United Kingdom.
>>
>>"The question is not one of cultural integration, rather of religious rights and
>>freedom to practise an individual's faith, regardless of jurisdiction," the
>>group said.
>>
>>The Sikh man has said he will not be taking up his post and the Irish Sikh
>>Council has also criticised the garda position.
>>
>>An Garda Siochana has insisted all members are required to wear standard issue
>>uniform when on operational duties.
>>Story from BBC NEWS:
>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/northern_ireland/6957844.stm
>>
>>If the Brit police can cope with turban wearing cops, why can't the Gardai?
>>
>>Ray
>
>There's actually more to a Sikh wearing a turban than you may be
>aware. Its significance is that it instantly identifies the wearer as
>a Sikh. This means that a Sikh openly advertises his faith and thereby
>puts himself at risk of being attacked by fanatics from other
>religions at any time. This is partly why every Sikh is considered a
>warrior and bears the last name "Singh [Lion], because he is prepared
>to die for his faith and cannot pretend to be something else.
>
>I admire a people who are willing to die for their faith with a clear
>mind, as opposed to suicide bombers who have been conned into laying
>down their lives in the belief that it will further the spead of their
>religion.
>
>The Sikh greeting on meeting and leaving is "Sat Sri Akal!" (God is
>Light.) As a reminder that their and our languages descend from the
>same root language - Sanskrit - the Sikh word for a saint is Sant.
>
>Punjab/Panch-ab means five rivers and describes the original territory
>of the Skihs; most of modern Northern India. Punch, the drink,
>originally created in India in the time of the British Raj, is
>so-called because it is made from five ingredients. India is also the
>civilization which gave us workable numbers, including zero. 
>
>As for Sanskrit, the oldest language still spoken, compare your
>numbers with it: Note how close French is to these numbers.
>
>Sanskrit:	French		Irish
>Eka		Un		Aon
>Dva		Deux		Dó
>Triya		Trois		Trí
>Catvara 	Quatre		Ceathair
>Panch		Cinq		Cúig
>Sat		Six		Sé
>Sapta 		Sept		Seacht
>Asta		Huit		Ocht
>Nava		Neuf		Naoi
>Deka		Dix		Deich
>   
>I hope I haven't bored you unduly.

Not this time...

Ray

-- 
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On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:24:26 GMT, max.it@teatime (max.it) wrote:

>On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 17:42:40 GMT, The Highlander 
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11:43:02 -0400, "WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"
>> wrote:
>>
>>> BBC NEWS
>>>Anger at Irish police turban ban
>>>Pressure is growing on the Irish police to allow a Sikh man training to be an
>>>officer to wear a turban on duty.
>>>
>>>The man, an IT professional in his 20s training to be part of the Garda Reserve,
>>>has been told he must wear a standard issue hat.
>>>
>>>Ciaran Cuffe, a Green Party member of Ireland's parliament, has written to Garda
>>>Commissioner Noel Conroy calling for the ban to be lifted.
>>>
>>>"The turban is a vital part of the rules of the Sikh religion," he said.
>>>
>>>"Sikh men are prohibited from cutting their hair or appearing in public without
>>>the turban.
>>>
>>>"In my opinion, the wearing of a turban would in no way impinge upon the
>>>operational effectiveness of a member of the force."
>>>
>>>An association of Sikh police officers in London has strongly criticised the
>>>decision.
>>>
>>>The Metropolitan Police Sikh Association said An Garda Siochana's uniform policy
>>>was 40 years behind the United Kingdom.
>>>
>>>"The question is not one of cultural integration, rather of religious rights and
>>>freedom to practise an individual's faith, regardless of jurisdiction," the
>>>group said.
>>>
>>>The Sikh man has said he will not be taking up his post and the Irish Sikh
>>>Council has also criticised the garda position.
>>>
>>>An Garda Siochana has insisted all members are required to wear standard issue
>>>uniform when on operational duties.
>>>Story from BBC NEWS:
>>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/northern_ireland/6957844.stm
>>>
>>>If the Brit police can cope with turban wearing cops, why can't the Gardai?
>>>
>>>Ray
>>
>>There's actually more to a Sikh wearing a turban than you may be
>>aware. Its significance is that it instantly identifies the wearer as
>>a Sikh. This means that a Sikh openly advertises his faith and thereby
>>puts himself at risk of being attacked by fanatics from other
>>religions at any time. This is partly why every Sikh is considered a
>>warrior and bears the last name "Singh [Lion], because he is prepared
>>to die for his faith and cannot pretend to be something else.
>>
>>I admire a people who are willing to die for their faith with a clear
>>mind, as opposed to suicide bombers who have been conned into laying
>>down their lives in the belief that it will further the spead of their
>>religion.
>>
>>The Sikh greeting on meeting and leaving is "Sat Sri Akal!" (God is
>>Light.) As a reminder that their and our languages descend from the
>>same root language - Sanskrit - the Sikh word for a saint is Sant.
>>
>>Punjab/Panch-ab means five rivers and describes the original territory
>>of the Skihs; most of modern Northern India. Punch, the drink,
>>originally created in India in the time of the British Raj, is
>>so-called because it is made from five ingredients. India is also the
>>civilization which gave us workable numbers, including zero. 
>>
>>As for Sanskrit, the oldest language still spoken, compare your
>>numbers with it: Note how close French is to these numbers.
>>
>>Sanskrit:	French		Irish
>>Eka		Un		Aon
>>Dva		Deux		Dó
>>Triya		Trois		Trí
>>Catvara 	Quatre		Ceathair
>>Panch		Cinq		Cúig
>>Sat		Six		Sé
>>Sapta 		Sept		Seacht
>>Asta		Huit		Ocht
>>Nava		Neuf		Naoi
>>Deka		Dix		Deich
>>   
>>I hope I haven't bored you unduly.
>>
>>The Highlander 
>>Tilgibh smucaid air do làmhan, 
>>togaibh a' bhratach dhubh agus 
>>toisichibh a' geàrradh na sgòrnanan!
>
>Sikhs can wear a patka like Monty Panesar.
>
>Does the copper have a great big beard, a comb 
>and a dagger,  a bangle and short trousers?
>
>max.it (the orange cage)

Can they carry their dagger on airline flights?

Ray

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On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 15:37:32 -0400, "WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"
 wrote:

>On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:24:26 GMT, max.it@teatime (max.it) wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 17:42:40 GMT, The Highlander 
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11:43:02 -0400, "WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> BBC NEWS
>>>>Anger at Irish police turban ban
>>>>Pressure is growing on the Irish police to allow a Sikh man training to be an
>>>>officer to wear a turban on duty.
>>>>
>>>>The man, an IT professional in his 20s training to be part of the Garda Reserve,
>>>>has been told he must wear a standard issue hat.
>>>>
>>>>Ciaran Cuffe, a Green Party member of Ireland's parliament, has written to Garda
>>>>Commissioner Noel Conroy calling for the ban to be lifted.
>>>>
>>>>"The turban is a vital part of the rules of the Sikh religion," he said.
>>>>
>>>>"Sikh men are prohibited from cutting their hair or appearing in public without
>>>>the turban.
>>>>
>>>>"In my opinion, the wearing of a turban would in no way impinge upon the
>>>>operational effectiveness of a member of the force."
>>>>
>>>>An association of Sikh police officers in London has strongly criticised the
>>>>decision.
>>>>
>>>>The Metropolitan Police Sikh Association said An Garda Siochana's uniform policy
>>>>was 40 years behind the United Kingdom.
>>>>
>>>>"The question is not one of cultural integration, rather of religious rights and
>>>>freedom to practise an individual's faith, regardless of jurisdiction," the
>>>>group said.
>>>>
>>>>The Sikh man has said he will not be taking up his post and the Irish Sikh
>>>>Council has also criticised the garda position.
>>>>
>>>>An Garda Siochana has insisted all members are required to wear standard issue
>>>>uniform when on operational duties.
>>>>Story from BBC NEWS:
>>>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/northern_ireland/6957844.stm
>>>>
>>>>If the Brit police can cope with turban wearing cops, why can't the Gardai?
>>>>
>>>>Ray
>>>
>>>There's actually more to a Sikh wearing a turban than you may be
>>>aware. Its significance is that it instantly identifies the wearer as
>>>a Sikh. This means that a Sikh openly advertises his faith and thereby
>>>puts himself at risk of being attacked by fanatics from other
>>>religions at any time. This is partly why every Sikh is considered a
>>>warrior and bears the last name "Singh [Lion], because he is prepared
>>>to die for his faith and cannot pretend to be something else.
>>>
>>>I admire a people who are willing to die for their faith with a clear
>>>mind, as opposed to suicide bombers who have been conned into laying
>>>down their lives in the belief that it will further the spead of their
>>>religion.
>>>
>>>The Sikh greeting on meeting and leaving is "Sat Sri Akal!" (God is
>>>Light.) As a reminder that their and our languages descend from the
>>>same root language - Sanskrit - the Sikh word for a saint is Sant.
>>>
>>>Punjab/Panch-ab means five rivers and describes the original territory
>>>of the Skihs; most of modern Northern India. Punch, the drink,
>>>originally created in India in the time of the British Raj, is
>>>so-called because it is made from five ingredients. India is also the
>>>civilization which gave us workable numbers, including zero. 
>>>
>>>As for Sanskrit, the oldest language still spoken, compare your
>>>numbers with it: Note how close French is to these numbers.
>>>
>>>Sanskrit:	French		Irish
>>>Eka		Un		Aon
>>>Dva		Deux		Dó
>>>Triya		Trois		Trí
>>>Catvara 	Quatre		Ceathair
>>>Panch		Cinq		Cúig
>>>Sat		Six		Sé
>>>Sapta 		Sept		Seacht
>>>Asta		Huit		Ocht
>>>Nava		Neuf		Naoi
>>>Deka		Dix		Deich
>>>   
>>>I hope I haven't bored you unduly.
>>>
>>>The Highlander 
>>>Tilgibh smucaid air do làmhan, 
>>>togaibh a' bhratach dhubh agus 
>>>toisichibh a' geàrradh na sgòrnanan!
>>
>>Sikhs can wear a patka like Monty Panesar.
>>
>>Does the copper have a great big beard, a comb 
>>and a dagger,  a bangle and short trousers?
>>
>>max.it (the orange cage)
>
>Can they carry their dagger on airline flights?

I wouldn't think so. The dagger and short trousers probably only make
an appearence these days whenever there is a special event. I met a
Sikh recently, he was standing looking lost outside a house with his
suitcase, I asked him if he was lost and he said he was at the right
place, but nobody was home. Like most all Sikhs he was very friendly
and polite.
Last week there was a load of stuff on tv and radio about the
partition of India, the amount of people that had to move is mind
boggling. They still have ceremony at the border each day where the
guards from each side stand real close and eyeball each other.

max.it (the orange cage)

>
>Ray
>
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>they got worse"...  
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On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 21:12:54 GMT, max.it@teatime (max.it) wrote:

>On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 15:37:32 -0400, "WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"
> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:24:26 GMT, max.it@teatime (max.it) wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 17:42:40 GMT, The Highlander 
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11:43:02 -0400, "WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> BBC NEWS
>>>>>Anger at Irish police turban ban
>>>>>Pressure is growing on the Irish police to allow a Sikh man training to be an
>>>>>officer to wear a turban on duty.
>>>>>
>>>>>The man, an IT professional in his 20s training to be part of the Garda Reserve,
>>>>>has been told he must wear a standard issue hat.
>>>>>
>>>>>Ciaran Cuffe, a Green Party member of Ireland's parliament, has written to Garda
>>>>>Commissioner Noel Conroy calling for the ban to be lifted.
>>>>>
>>>>>"The turban is a vital part of the rules of the Sikh religion," he said.
>>>>>
>>>>>"Sikh men are prohibited from cutting their hair or appearing in public without
>>>>>the turban.
>>>>>
>>>>>"In my opinion, the wearing of a turban would in no way impinge upon the
>>>>>operational effectiveness of a member of the force."
>>>>>
>>>>>An association of Sikh police officers in London has strongly criticised the
>>>>>decision.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Metropolitan Police Sikh Association said An Garda Siochana's uniform policy
>>>>>was 40 years behind the United Kingdom.
>>>>>
>>>>>"The question is not one of cultural integration, rather of religious rights and
>>>>>freedom to practise an individual's faith, regardless of jurisdiction," the
>>>>>group said.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Sikh man has said he will not be taking up his post and the Irish Sikh
>>>>>Council has also criticised the garda position.
>>>>>
>>>>>An Garda Siochana has insisted all members are required to wear standard issue
>>>>>uniform when on operational duties.
>>>>>Story from BBC NEWS:
>>>>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/northern_ireland/6957844.stm
>>>>>
>>>>>If the Brit police can cope with turban wearing cops, why can't the Gardai?
>>>>>
>>>>>Ray
>>>>
>>>>There's actually more to a Sikh wearing a turban than you may be
>>>>aware. Its significance is that it instantly identifies the wearer as
>>>>a Sikh. This means that a Sikh openly advertises his faith and thereby
>>>>puts himself at risk of being attacked by fanatics from other
>>>>religions at any time. This is partly why every Sikh is considered a
>>>>warrior and bears the last name "Singh [Lion], because he is prepared
>>>>to die for his faith and cannot pretend to be something else.
>>>>
>>>>I admire a people who are willing to die for their faith with a clear
>>>>mind, as opposed to suicide bombers who have been conned into laying
>>>>down their lives in the belief that it will further the spead of their
>>>>religion.
>>>>
>>>>The Sikh greeting on meeting and leaving is "Sat Sri Akal!" (God is
>>>>Light.) As a reminder that their and our languages descend from the
>>>>same root language - Sanskrit - the Sikh word for a saint is Sant.
>>>>
>>>>Punjab/Panch-ab means five rivers and describes the original territory
>>>>of the Skihs; most of modern Northern India. Punch, the drink,
>>>>originally created in India in the time of the British Raj, is
>>>>so-called because it is made from five ingredients. India is also the
>>>>civilization which gave us workable numbers, including zero. 
>>>>
>>>>As for Sanskrit, the oldest language still spoken, compare your
>>>>numbers with it: Note how close French is to these numbers.
>>>>
>>>>Sanskrit:	French		Irish
>>>>Eka		Un		Aon
>>>>Dva		Deux		Dó
>>>>Triya		Trois		Trí
>>>>Catvara 	Quatre		Ceathair
>>>>Panch		Cinq		Cúig
>>>>Sat		Six		Sé
>>>>Sapta 		Sept		Seacht
>>>>Asta		Huit		Ocht
>>>>Nava		Neuf		Naoi
>>>>Deka		Dix		Deich
>>>>   
>>>>I hope I haven't bored you unduly.
>>>>
>>>>The Highlander 
>>>>Tilgibh smucaid air do làmhan, 
>>>>togaibh a' bhratach dhubh agus 
>>>>toisichibh a' geàrradh na sgòrnanan!
>>>
>>>Sikhs can wear a patka like Monty Panesar.
>>>
>>>Does the copper have a great big beard, a comb 
>>>and a dagger,  a bangle and short trousers?
>>>
>>>max.it (the orange cage)
>>
>>Can they carry their dagger on airline flights?
>
>I wouldn't think so. The dagger and short trousers probably only make
>an appearence these days whenever there is a special event.

I wondered because I can't bring as much as a nail clippers on nevermind a
penknife... I was thinking this might be a religious discrimination case...  :)


>met a
>Sikh recently, he was standing looking lost outside a house with his
>suitcase, I asked him if he was lost and he said he was at the right
>place, but nobody was home. Like most all Sikhs he was very friendly
>and polite.

Never met one... But I've seen them on Telly!  :)

>Last week there was a load of stuff on tv and radio about the
>partition of India, the amount of people that had to move is mind
>boggling. They still have ceremony at the border each day where the
>guards from each side stand real close and eyeball each other.
>
>max.it (the orange cage)

A little Indian Drumcree!?  

Ray

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On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 11:34:50 -0400, "WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"
 wrote:

>On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 21:12:54 GMT, max.it@teatime (max.it) wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 15:37:32 -0400, "WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:24:26 GMT, max.it@teatime (max.it) wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 17:42:40 GMT, The Highlander 
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11:43:02 -0400, "WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> BBC NEWS
>>>>>>Anger at Irish police turban ban
>>>>>>Pressure is growing on the Irish police to allow a Sikh man training to be an
>>>>>>officer to wear a turban on duty.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The man, an IT professional in his 20s training to be part of the Garda Reserve,
>>>>>>has been told he must wear a standard issue hat.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ciaran Cuffe, a Green Party member of Ireland's parliament, has written to Garda
>>>>>>Commissioner Noel Conroy calling for the ban to be lifted.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"The turban is a vital part of the rules of the Sikh religion," he said.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Sikh men are prohibited from cutting their hair or appearing in public without
>>>>>>the turban.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"In my opinion, the wearing of a turban would in no way impinge upon the
>>>>>>operational effectiveness of a member of the force."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>An association of Sikh police officers in London has strongly criticised the
>>>>>>decision.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The Metropolitan Police Sikh Association said An Garda Siochana's uniform policy
>>>>>>was 40 years behind the United Kingdom.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"The question is not one of cultural integration, rather of religious rights and
>>>>>>freedom to practise an individual's faith, regardless of jurisdiction," the
>>>>>>group said.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The Sikh man has said he will not be taking up his post and the Irish Sikh
>>>>>>Council has also criticised the garda position.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>An Garda Siochana has insisted all members are required to wear standard issue
>>>>>>uniform when on operational duties.
>>>>>>Story from BBC NEWS:
>>>>>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/northern_ireland/6957844.stm
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If the Brit police can cope with turban wearing cops, why can't the Gardai?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ray
>>>>>
>>>>>There's actually more to a Sikh wearing a turban than you may be
>>>>>aware. Its significance is that it instantly identifies the wearer as
>>>>>a Sikh. This means that a Sikh openly advertises his faith and thereby
>>>>>puts himself at risk of being attacked by fanatics from other
>>>>>religions at any time. This is partly why every Sikh is considered a
>>>>>warrior and bears the last name "Singh [Lion], because he is prepared
>>>>>to die for his faith and cannot pretend to be something else.
>>>>>
>>>>>I admire a people who are willing to die for their faith with a clear
>>>>>mind, as opposed to suicide bombers who have been conned into laying
>>>>>down their lives in the belief that it will further the spead of their
>>>>>religion.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Sikh greeting on meeting and leaving is "Sat Sri Akal!" (God is
>>>>>Light.) As a reminder that their and our languages descend from the
>>>>>same root language - Sanskrit - the Sikh word for a saint is Sant.
>>>>>
>>>>>Punjab/Panch-ab means five rivers and describes the original territory
>>>>>of the Skihs; most of modern Northern India. Punch, the drink,
>>>>>originally created in India in the time of the British Raj, is
>>>>>so-called because it is made from five ingredients. India is also the
>>>>>civilization which gave us workable numbers, including zero. 
>>>>>
>>>>>As for Sanskrit, the oldest language still spoken, compare your
>>>>>numbers with it: Note how close French is to these numbers.
>>>>>
>>>>>Sanskrit:	French		Irish
>>>>>Eka		Un		Aon
>>>>>Dva		Deux		Dó
>>>>>Triya		Trois		Trí
>>>>>Catvara 	Quatre		Ceathair
>>>>>Panch		Cinq		Cúig
>>>>>Sat		Six		Sé
>>>>>Sapta 		Sept		Seacht
>>>>>Asta		Huit		Ocht
>>>>>Nava		Neuf		Naoi
>>>>>Deka		Dix		Deich
>>>>>   
>>>>>I hope I haven't bored you unduly.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Highlander 
>>>>>Tilgibh smucaid air do làmhan, 
>>>>>togaibh a' bhratach dhubh agus 
>>>>>toisichibh a' geàrradh na sgòrnanan!
>>>>
>>>>Sikhs can wear a patka like Monty Panesar.
>>>>
>>>>Does the copper have a great big beard, a comb 
>>>>and a dagger,  a bangle and short trousers?
>>>>
>>>>max.it (the orange cage)
>>>
>>>Can they carry their dagger on airline flights?
>>
>>I wouldn't think so. The dagger and short trousers probably only make
>>an appearence these days whenever there is a special event.
>
>I wondered because I can't bring as much as a nail clippers on nevermind a
>penknife... I was thinking this might be a religious discrimination case...  :)
>

They had a cow called shambo on a farm. The cow was holy and they
treated it really well, it had super comfort. Then the oul thing
caught bovine TB and the ministry of cows came and removed it for
slaughter. There was a fuss but no riots or anything like that.

http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0600uk/tm_headline=shambo-two-more-animals-test-positive&method=full&objectid=19535766&siteid=50082-name_page.html

>
>>met a
>>Sikh recently, he was standing looking lost outside a house with his
>>suitcase, I asked him if he was lost and he said he was at the right
>>place, but nobody was home. Like most all Sikhs he was very friendly
>>and polite.
>
>Never met one... But I've seen them on Telly!  :)

Sikhs are fairly common, but like most religions there are more who
have lost the traditions than who keep them, in this end of the world
anyway.

>
>>Last week there was a load of stuff on tv and radio about the
>>partition of India, the amount of people that had to move is mind
>>boggling. They still have ceremony at the border each day where the
>>guards from each side stand real close and eyeball each other.
>>
>>max.it (the orange cage)
>
>A little Indian Drumcree!?  

That would be similar

max.it (the orange cage)

>
>Ray
>
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>they got worse"...  
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On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 20:35:18 GMT, max.it@teatime (max.it) wrote:

>On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 11:34:50 -0400, "WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"
> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 21:12:54 GMT, max.it@teatime (max.it) wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 15:37:32 -0400, "WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:24:26 GMT, max.it@teatime (max.it) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 17:42:40 GMT, The Highlander 
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11:43:02 -0400, "WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BBC NEWS
>>>>>>>Anger at Irish police turban ban
>>>>>>>Pressure is growing on the Irish police to allow a Sikh man training to be an
>>>>>>>officer to wear a turban on duty.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The man, an IT professional in his 20s training to be part of the Garda Reserve,
>>>>>>>has been told he must wear a standard issue hat.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Ciaran Cuffe, a Green Party member of Ireland's parliament, has written to Garda
>>>>>>>Commissioner Noel Conroy calling for the ban to be lifted.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"The turban is a vital part of the rules of the Sikh religion," he said.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Sikh men are prohibited from cutting their hair or appearing in public without
>>>>>>>the turban.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"In my opinion, the wearing of a turban would in no way impinge upon the
>>>>>>>operational effectiveness of a member of the force."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>An association of Sikh police officers in London has strongly criticised the
>>>>>>>decision.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The Metropolitan Police Sikh Association said An Garda Siochana's uniform policy
>>>>>>>was 40 years behind the United Kingdom.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"The question is not one of cultural integration, rather of religious rights and
>>>>>>>freedom to practise an individual's faith, regardless of jurisdiction," the
>>>>>>>group said.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The Sikh man has said he will not be taking up his post and the Irish Sikh
>>>>>>>Council has also criticised the garda position.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>An Garda Siochana has insisted all members are required to wear standard issue
>>>>>>>uniform when on operational duties.
>>>>>>>Story from BBC NEWS:
>>>>>>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/northern_ireland/6957844.stm
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If the Brit police can cope with turban wearing cops, why can't the Gardai?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Ray
>>>>>>
>>>>>>There's actually more to a Sikh wearing a turban than you may be
>>>>>>aware. Its significance is that it instantly identifies the wearer as
>>>>>>a Sikh. This means that a Sikh openly advertises his faith and thereby
>>>>>>puts himself at risk of being attacked by fanatics from other
>>>>>>religions at any time. This is partly why every Sikh is considered a
>>>>>>warrior and bears the last name "Singh [Lion], because he is prepared
>>>>>>to die for his faith and cannot pretend to be something else.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I admire a people who are willing to die for their faith with a clear
>>>>>>mind, as opposed to suicide bombers who have been conned into laying
>>>>>>down their lives in the belief that it will further the spead of their
>>>>>>religion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The Sikh greeting on meeting and leaving is "Sat Sri Akal!" (God is
>>>>>>Light.) As a reminder that their and our languages descend from the
>>>>>>same root language - Sanskrit - the Sikh word for a saint is Sant.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Punjab/Panch-ab means five rivers and describes the original territory
>>>>>>of the Skihs; most of modern Northern India. Punch, the drink,
>>>>>>originally created in India in the time of the British Raj, is
>>>>>>so-called because it is made from five ingredients. India is also the
>>>>>>civilization which gave us workable numbers, including zero. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>As for Sanskrit, the oldest language still spoken, compare your
>>>>>>numbers with it: Note how close French is to these numbers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Sanskrit:	French		Irish
>>>>>>Eka		Un		Aon
>>>>>>Dva		Deux		Dó
>>>>>>Triya		Trois		Trí
>>>>>>Catvara 	Quatre		Ceathair
>>>>>>Panch		Cinq		Cúig
>>>>>>Sat		Six		Sé
>>>>>>Sapta 		Sept		Seacht
>>>>>>Asta		Huit		Ocht
>>>>>>Nava		Neuf		Naoi
>>>>>>Deka		Dix		Deich
>>>>>>   
>>>>>>I hope I haven't bored you unduly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The Highlander 
>>>>>>Tilgibh smucaid air do làmhan, 
>>>>>>togaibh a' bhratach dhubh agus 
>>>>>>toisichibh a' geàrradh na sgòrnanan!
>>>>>
>>>>>Sikhs can wear a patka like Monty Panesar.
>>>>>
>>>>>Does the copper have a great big beard, a comb 
>>>>>and a dagger,  a bangle and short trousers?
>>>>>
>>>>>max.it (the orange cage)
>>>>
>>>>Can they carry their dagger on airline flights?
>>>
>>>I wouldn't think so. The dagger and short trousers probably only make
>>>an appearence these days whenever there is a special event.
>>
>>I wondered because I can't bring as much as a nail clippers on nevermind a
>>penknife... I was thinking this might be a religious discrimination case...  :)
>>
>
>They had a cow called shambo on a farm. The cow was holy and they
>treated it really well, it had super comfort. Then the oul thing
>caught bovine TB and the ministry of cows came and removed it for
>slaughter. There was a fuss but no riots or anything like that.
>
>http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0600uk/tm_headline=shambo-two-more-animals-test-positive&method=full&objectid=19535766&siteid=50082-name_page.html
>

I don't know what that had to do with knives on planes, but it seems a bit harsh
to kill their cow...  If they could prevent it from meeting other cows, wouldn't
that prevent it spreading any disease it had?

>>
>>>met a
>>>Sikh recently, he was standing looking lost outside a house with his
>>>suitcase, I asked him if he was lost and he said he was at the right
>>>place, but nobody was home. Like most all Sikhs he was very friendly
>>>and polite.
>>
>>Never met one... But I've seen them on Telly!  :)
>
>Sikhs are fairly common, but like most religions there are more who
>have lost the traditions than who keep them, in this end of the world
>anyway.
>

I read on RTE that they (Sikhs) have given up on members of their religion
wearing anything but the regular police hat...

>>
>>>Last week there was a load of stuff on tv and radio about the
>>>partition of India, the amount of people that had to move is mind
>>>boggling. They still have ceremony at the border each day where the
>>>guards from each side stand real close and eyeball each other.
>>>
>>>max.it (the orange cage)
>>
>>A little Indian Drumcree!?  
>
>That would be similar
>
>max.it (the orange cage)

It would be funny to see to be honest.  :-)

Ray

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