The British army's operation in Northern Ireland came to an end at midnight
after 38 years.

Operation Banner - the Army's support role for the police - had been its longest
continuous campaign, with more than 300,000 personnel taking part.

A garrison of 5,000 troops will remain but security will be entirely the
responsibility of the police.

British troops were sent to Northern Ireland in 1969 after violent clashes
between Catholics and Protestants.

When the first soldiers were deployed in August 1969, commanders believed they
would be in Northern Ireland for just a few weeks.

But the Army quickly became involved in what came to be known as Operation
Banner.

A total of 763 military personnel were killed during the campaign.

At the height of the Troubles, there were about 27,000 soldiers in Northern
Ireland. From Wednesday, there will be no more than 5,000.

	If they had not been here to hold the line against terrorism, I don't
think we would have made the progress that we have made
Jeffrey Donaldson, DUP

The head of the Army in Northern Ireland, General Nick Parker, said the
operation helped create the conditions for a political solution.

"What I believe the military have done here is make a significant contribution
to the security in Northern Ireland that has allowed other people to make the
difference through politics, social programmes and economics," he said.

Jeffrey Donaldson of the DUP, paid tribute to the Army.

"If they had not been here to hold the line against terrorism, I don't think we
would have made the progress that we have made," he said.

"I think that we owe them a great debt of gratitude for a huge sacrifice that
they have paid to help make this possible."

Sinn Fein's Gerry Kelly said it was the government who made decisions concerning
the Army.

"Was there a honeymoon period when people were relieved that they weren't the
heavily armed RUC? Of course there was," he said.

"That was short lived. The reason why is because they are an Army, a blunt
instrument, it was the British government who made the decision to use them
against republicans, nationalists and Catholics."

In future, soldiers based in Northern Ireland will be involved in training and
will be available for deployment in foreign trouble spots, not on local streets.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/northern_ireland/6925263.stm

I welcome this decision!  Now roll on the referendum so we can have our United
Ireland with no British interference at all!

Ray

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WhiteWolf <as bright as ever> wrote: 

> The British army's operation in Northern Ireland came to an end at
> midnight after 38 years.
[...]

Well, I'm sure we all missed that bit of news. Thanks for letting us know.

> I welcome this decision!  

The decision was made almost a year ago. 

-- 
Falcon:
fide, sed cui vide. (L)

On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 09:19:51 -0400, "WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"
 wrote:

>The British army's operation in Northern Ireland came to an end at midnight
>after 38 years.
>
>Operation Banner - the Army's support role for the police - had been its longest
>continuous campaign, with more than 300,000 personnel taking part.
>
>A garrison of 5,000 troops will remain but security will be entirely the
>responsibility of the police.
>
>British troops were sent to Northern Ireland in 1969 after violent clashes
>between Catholics and Protestants.
>
>When the first soldiers were deployed in August 1969, commanders believed they
>would be in Northern Ireland for just a few weeks.
>
>But the Army quickly became involved in what came to be known as Operation
>Banner.
>
>A total of 763 military personnel were killed during the campaign.
>
>At the height of the Troubles, there were about 27,000 soldiers in Northern
>Ireland. From Wednesday, there will be no more than 5,000.
>
>	If they had not been here to hold the line against terrorism, I don't
>think we would have made the progress that we have made
>Jeffrey Donaldson, DUP
>
>The head of the Army in Northern Ireland, General Nick Parker, said the
>operation helped create the conditions for a political solution.
>
>"What I believe the military have done here is make a significant contribution
>to the security in Northern Ireland that has allowed other people to make the
>difference through politics, social programmes and economics," he said.
>
>Jeffrey Donaldson of the DUP, paid tribute to the Army.
>
>"If they had not been here to hold the line against terrorism, I don't think we
>would have made the progress that we have made," he said.
>
>"I think that we owe them a great debt of gratitude for a huge sacrifice that
>they have paid to help make this possible."
>
>Sinn Fein's Gerry Kelly said it was the government who made decisions concerning
>the Army.
>
>"Was there a honeymoon period when people were relieved that they weren't the
>heavily armed RUC? Of course there was," he said.
>
>"That was short lived. The reason why is because they are an Army, a blunt
>instrument, it was the British government who made the decision to use them
>against republicans, nationalists and Catholics."
>
>In future, soldiers based in Northern Ireland will be involved in training and
>will be available for deployment in foreign trouble spots, not on local streets.
>
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/northern_ireland/6925263.stm
>
>I welcome this decision!  Now roll on the referendum so we can have our United
>Ireland with no British interference at all!
>
>Ray

You really have a gift for missing the point. It ain't going to
happen. The BRITISH people of Nothern Ireland have already made their
decision crystal clear.

And it definitely ain't going to happen because of the bleatings of
some unemployed snivelling fuckwit camping out in the United States.



The Highlander 
Tilgibh smucaid air do làmhan, 
togaibh a' bhratach dhubh agus 
toisichibh a' geàrradh na sgòrnanan!

On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 13:33:07 GMT, "Falcon"  wrote:

>
>WhiteWolf <as bright as ever> wrote: 
>
>> The British army's operation in Northern Ireland came to an end at
>> midnight after 38 years.
>[...]
>
>Well, I'm sure we all missed that bit of news. Thanks for letting us know.
>
>> I welcome this decision!  
>
>The decision was made almost a year ago. 

Ah, but Ray was waiting for the right moment to break the news!

How does it feel to have people who live several thousand miles away
from Ireland in countries like the US and New Zealand trying to
control your future?

At least you have the decency to actually live in Northern Ireland,
unlike your overseas advisors! 

I also admire your calmness under fire - you stand head and shoulders
above these armchair heroes. Whatever you think of me, I thought it
would do no harm to let you know that you have my complete support,
for what it's worth.


The Highlander 
Tilgibh smucaid air do làmhan, 
togaibh a' bhratach dhubh agus 
toisichibh a' geàrradh na sgòrnanan!

On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 13:33:07 GMT, "Falcon"  wrote:

>
>WhiteWolf <as bright as ever> wrote: 
>
>> The British army's operation in Northern Ireland came to an end at
>> midnight after 38 years.
>[...]
>
>Well, I'm sure we all missed that bit of news. Thanks for letting us know.
>

I posted it here because it's important and nobody else did...

>> I welcome this decision!  
>
>The decision was made almost a year ago. 

It should have been taken 38 years ago!

Ray

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On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 14:50:35 GMT, The Highlander  wrote:

>On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 09:19:51 -0400, "WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"
> wrote:
>
>>The British army's operation in Northern Ireland came to an end at midnight
>>after 38 years.
>>
>>Operation Banner - the Army's support role for the police - had been its longest
>>continuous campaign, with more than 300,000 personnel taking part.
>>
>>A garrison of 5,000 troops will remain but security will be entirely the
>>responsibility of the police.
>>
>>British troops were sent to Northern Ireland in 1969 after violent clashes
>>between Catholics and Protestants.
>>
>>When the first soldiers were deployed in August 1969, commanders believed they
>>would be in Northern Ireland for just a few weeks.
>>
>>But the Army quickly became involved in what came to be known as Operation
>>Banner.
>>
>>A total of 763 military personnel were killed during the campaign.
>>
>>At the height of the Troubles, there were about 27,000 soldiers in Northern
>>Ireland. From Wednesday, there will be no more than 5,000.
>>
>>	If they had not been here to hold the line against terrorism, I don't
>>think we would have made the progress that we have made
>>Jeffrey Donaldson, DUP
>>
>>The head of the Army in Northern Ireland, General Nick Parker, said the
>>operation helped create the conditions for a political solution.
>>
>>"What I believe the military have done here is make a significant contribution
>>to the security in Northern Ireland that has allowed other people to make the
>>difference through politics, social programmes and economics," he said.
>>
>>Jeffrey Donaldson of the DUP, paid tribute to the Army.
>>
>>"If they had not been here to hold the line against terrorism, I don't think we
>>would have made the progress that we have made," he said.
>>
>>"I think that we owe them a great debt of gratitude for a huge sacrifice that
>>they have paid to help make this possible."
>>
>>Sinn Fein's Gerry Kelly said it was the government who made decisions concerning
>>the Army.
>>
>>"Was there a honeymoon period when people were relieved that they weren't the
>>heavily armed RUC? Of course there was," he said.
>>
>>"That was short lived. The reason why is because they are an Army, a blunt
>>instrument, it was the British government who made the decision to use them
>>against republicans, nationalists and Catholics."
>>
>>In future, soldiers based in Northern Ireland will be involved in training and
>>will be available for deployment in foreign trouble spots, not on local streets.
>>
>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/northern_ireland/6925263.stm
>>
>>I welcome this decision!  Now roll on the referendum so we can have our United
>>Ireland with no British interference at all!
>>
>>Ray
>
>You really have a gift for missing the point. It ain't going to
>happen. The BRITISH people of Nothern Ireland have already made their
>decision crystal clear.
>
>And it definitely ain't going to happen because of the bleatings of
>some unemployed snivelling fuckwit camping out in the United States.
>

Read up on the GFA moron!

Ray

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On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 15:02:15 GMT, The Highlander  wrote:

>On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 13:33:07 GMT, "Falcon"  wrote:
>
>>
>>WhiteWolf <as bright as ever> wrote: 
>>
>>> The British army's operation in Northern Ireland came to an end at
>>> midnight after 38 years.
>>[...]
>>
>>Well, I'm sure we all missed that bit of news. Thanks for letting us know.
>>
>>> I welcome this decision!  
>>
>>The decision was made almost a year ago. 
>
>Ah, but Ray was waiting for the right moment to break the news!
>
>How does it feel to have people who live several thousand miles away
>from Ireland in countries like the US and New Zealand trying to
>control your future?
>
>At least you have the decency to actually live in Northern Ireland,
>unlike your overseas advisors! 
>
>I also admire your calmness under fire - you stand head and shoulders
>above these armchair heroes. Whatever you think of me, I thought it
>would do no harm to let you know that you have my complete support,
>for what it's worth.

Falcon is in *ngland!  

Ray

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WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie> wrote:
> The British army's operation in Northern Ireland came to an end at
> midnight after 38 years.
>
> Operation Banner - the Army's support role for the police - had been
> its longest continuous campaign, with more than 300,000 personnel
> taking part.
>
> A garrison of 5,000 troops will remain but security will be entirely
> the responsibility of the police.
>
> British troops were sent to Northern Ireland in 1969 after violent
> clashes between Catholics and Protestants.
>
> When the first soldiers were deployed in August 1969, commanders
> believed they would be in Northern Ireland for just a few weeks.
>
> But the Army quickly became involved in what came to be known as
> Operation Banner.
>
> A total of 763 military personnel were killed during the campaign.
>
> At the height of the Troubles, there were about 27,000 soldiers in
> Northern Ireland. From Wednesday, there will be no more than 5,000.
>
> If they had not been here to hold the line against terrorism, I don't
> think we would have made the progress that we have made
> Jeffrey Donaldson, DUP
>
> The head of the Army in Northern Ireland, General Nick Parker, said
> the operation helped create the conditions for a political solution.
>
> "What I believe the military have done here is make a significant
> contribution to the security in Northern Ireland that has allowed
> other people to make the difference through politics, social
> programmes and economics," he said.
>
> Jeffrey Donaldson of the DUP, paid tribute to the Army.
>
> "If they had not been here to hold the line against terrorism, I
> don't think we would have made the progress that we have made," he
> said.
>
> "I think that we owe them a great debt of gratitude for a huge
> sacrifice that they have paid to help make this possible."
>
> Sinn Fein's Gerry Kelly said it was the government who made decisions
> concerning the Army.
>
> "Was there a honeymoon period when people were relieved that they
> weren't the heavily armed RUC? Of course there was," he said.
>
> "That was short lived. The reason why is because they are an Army, a
> blunt instrument, it was the British government who made the decision
> to use them against republicans, nationalists and Catholics."
>
> In future, soldiers based in Northern Ireland will be involved in
> training and will be available for deployment in foreign trouble
> spots, not on local streets.
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/northern_ireland/6925263.stm
>
> I welcome this decision!  Now roll on the referendum so we can have
> our United Ireland with no British interference at all!

ROTFLMAO!! Really Ray! There is as much chance of that happening as you 
flying to the moon! NO referndum within the forseeable future - NO United 
Ireland within the forseable future! Neither option has anything to do with 
British interference. Anyway, 54% of the Northern Irish population does 
happen to be British. So, youve NO chance!!
Stupid or what?

-- 
Hal Ó Mearadhaigh.

WhiteWolf @iol.ie> wrote:
<snip>

> I welcome this decision!  Now roll on the 
> referendum so we can have our United
> Ireland with no British interference at all!

Most of the people of Northenr Ireland are British subjects by birth.

To declare otherwise would be the same as a first generation Liverpudlian
of Irish descent claiming he was Irish.

Oh, yeah, he could play on the National Team, but he's born a British
subject.

Then there are plenty of English people who've moved to the Republic and
can vote here by law.

Finally there are the people who like the idea of a United Ireland, but
not the idea of sharing it with bigots of either tradition, who in the
medium term are quite content to let them stew in their own juices until
they simmer down a little.

Looked at from any angle, its a tangle and British influence is the least
of it.

Imagine the destabilising influence Planters would have had on the
emerging Irish Free State if Ireland had been united.

Perhaps there would never have been a Fianna Fáil overall majority
government. Perhaps Fine Gael publicans and farmers would have made
common cause with their class comrades in the North and made Fine Gael
the "real government" for decades.

But Fianna Fáil would never agree to partition, just to sieze power -
would they?

No, of course not. Rank speculation.

M.

"WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote in message 
news:r681b31pemj4ggia4k0ia08mbrga11qjra@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 13:33:07 GMT, "Falcon"  wrote:
>
>>
>>WhiteWolf <as bright as ever> wrote:
>>
>>> The British army's operation in Northern Ireland came to an end at
>>> midnight after 38 years.
>>[...]
>>
>>Well, I'm sure we all missed that bit of news. Thanks for letting us know.
>>
>
> I posted it here because it's important and nobody else did...

That's because nobody here except you gives a shit about that stuff any 
more.

On Wed, 1 Aug 2007 19:15:10 +0100, "Hal Ó Mearadhaigh." 
wrote:

>WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie> wrote:
>> The British army's operation in Northern Ireland came to an end at
>> midnight after 38 years.
>>
>> Operation Banner - the Army's support role for the police - had been
>> its longest continuous campaign, with more than 300,000 personnel
>> taking part.
>>
>> A garrison of 5,000 troops will remain but security will be entirely
>> the responsibility of the police.
>>
>> British troops were sent to Northern Ireland in 1969 after violent
>> clashes between Catholics and Protestants.
>>
>> When the first soldiers were deployed in August 1969, commanders
>> believed they would be in Northern Ireland for just a few weeks.
>>
>> But the Army quickly became involved in what came to be known as
>> Operation Banner.
>>
>> A total of 763 military personnel were killed during the campaign.
>>
>> At the height of the Troubles, there were about 27,000 soldiers in
>> Northern Ireland. From Wednesday, there will be no more than 5,000.
>>
>> If they had not been here to hold the line against terrorism, I don't
>> think we would have made the progress that we have made
>> Jeffrey Donaldson, DUP
>>
>> The head of the Army in Northern Ireland, General Nick Parker, said
>> the operation helped create the conditions for a political solution.
>>
>> "What I believe the military have done here is make a significant
>> contribution to the security in Northern Ireland that has allowed
>> other people to make the difference through politics, social
>> programmes and economics," he said.
>>
>> Jeffrey Donaldson of the DUP, paid tribute to the Army.
>>
>> "If they had not been here to hold the line against terrorism, I
>> don't think we would have made the progress that we have made," he
>> said.
>>
>> "I think that we owe them a great debt of gratitude for a huge
>> sacrifice that they have paid to help make this possible."
>>
>> Sinn Fein's Gerry Kelly said it was the government who made decisions
>> concerning the Army.
>>
>> "Was there a honeymoon period when people were relieved that they
>> weren't the heavily armed RUC? Of course there was," he said.
>>
>> "That was short lived. The reason why is because they are an Army, a
>> blunt instrument, it was the British government who made the decision
>> to use them against republicans, nationalists and Catholics."
>>
>> In future, soldiers based in Northern Ireland will be involved in
>> training and will be available for deployment in foreign trouble
>> spots, not on local streets.
>>
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/northern_ireland/6925263.stm
>>
>> I welcome this decision!  Now roll on the referendum so we can have
>> our United Ireland with no British interference at all!
>
>ROTFLMAO!! Really Ray! There is as much chance of that happening as you 
>flying to the moon! NO referndum within the forseeable future - NO United 
>Ireland within the forseable future! Neither option has anything to do with 
>British interference. Anyway, 54% of the Northern Irish population does 
>happen to be British. So, youve NO chance!!
>Stupid or what?

Your response proves my point...  We need a 6% swing, and it's Hello United 32
County Ireland...  Goodbye British enforced domination of the people!  

6% is not that much of a swing...  

And growing ecomomic as well as political trends are leaning our way...

The BA are gone from the streets (never should have been on) and the days of
collusion with murderous loyalist death squads are over....

It's only a matter of time!!!

If I were you, I'd start applying for an Irish passport...  :)

Ray

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On Wed, 1 Aug 2007 19:43:52 +0100, "Ex_OWM"  wrote:

>
>"WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote in message 
>news:r681b31pemj4ggia4k0ia08mbrga11qjra@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 13:33:07 GMT, "Falcon"  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>WhiteWolf <as bright as ever> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The British army's operation in Northern Ireland came to an end at
>>>> midnight after 38 years.
>>>[...]
>>>
>>>Well, I'm sure we all missed that bit of news. Thanks for letting us know.
>>>
>>
>> I posted it here because it's important and nobody else did...
>
>That's because nobody here except you gives a shit about that stuff any 
>more.
>

You better check and see which side your bread is buttered on there OWM!!!

Ray

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WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie> wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Aug 2007 19:15:10 +0100, "Hal Ó Mearadhaigh."
>  wrote:
>
>> WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie> wrote:
>>> The British army's operation in Northern Ireland came to an end at
>>> midnight after 38 years.
>>>
>>> Operation Banner - the Army's support role for the police - had been
>>> its longest continuous campaign, with more than 300,000 personnel
>>> taking part.
>>>
>>> A garrison of 5,000 troops will remain but security will be entirely
>>> the responsibility of the police.
>>>
>>> British troops were sent to Northern Ireland in 1969 after violent
>>> clashes between Catholics and Protestants.
>>>
>>> When the first soldiers were deployed in August 1969, commanders
>>> believed they would be in Northern Ireland for just a few weeks.
>>>
>>> But the Army quickly became involved in what came to be known as
>>> Operation Banner.
>>>
>>> A total of 763 military personnel were killed during the campaign.
>>>
>>> At the height of the Troubles, there were about 27,000 soldiers in
>>> Northern Ireland. From Wednesday, there will be no more than 5,000.
>>>
>>> If they had not been here to hold the line against terrorism, I
>>> don't think we would have made the progress that we have made
>>> Jeffrey Donaldson, DUP
>>>
>>> The head of the Army in Northern Ireland, General Nick Parker, said
>>> the operation helped create the conditions for a political solution.
>>>
>>> "What I believe the military have done here is make a significant
>>> contribution to the security in Northern Ireland that has allowed
>>> other people to make the difference through politics, social
>>> programmes and economics," he said.
>>>
>>> Jeffrey Donaldson of the DUP, paid tribute to the Army.
>>>
>>> "If they had not been here to hold the line against terrorism, I
>>> don't think we would have made the progress that we have made," he
>>> said.
>>>
>>> "I think that we owe them a great debt of gratitude for a huge
>>> sacrifice that they have paid to help make this possible."
>>>
>>> Sinn Fein's Gerry Kelly said it was the government who made
>>> decisions concerning the Army.
>>>
>>> "Was there a honeymoon period when people were relieved that they
>>> weren't the heavily armed RUC? Of course there was," he said.
>>>
>>> "That was short lived. The reason why is because they are an Army, a
>>> blunt instrument, it was the British government who made the
>>> decision to use them against republicans, nationalists and
>>> Catholics."
>>>
>>> In future, soldiers based in Northern Ireland will be involved in
>>> training and will be available for deployment in foreign trouble
>>> spots, not on local streets.
>>>
>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/northern_ireland/6925263.stm
>>>
>>> I welcome this decision!  Now roll on the referendum so we can have
>>> our United Ireland with no British interference at all!
>>
>> ROTFLMAO!! Really Ray! There is as much chance of that happening as
>> you flying to the moon! NO referndum within the forseeable future -
>> NO United Ireland within the forseable future! Neither option has
>> anything to do with British interference. Anyway, 54% of the
>> Northern Irish population does happen to be British. So, youve NO
>> chance!!
>> Stupid or what?
>
> Your response proves my point...  We need a 6% swing, and it's Hello
> United 32 County Ireland...  Goodbye British enforced domination of
> the people!

There is NO Britishenforced domination of anything! Your 6% swing is totally 
meaningless because there is a considerble percentage of Catholics who want 
nothing to do with a United Ireland, beiung much happier with "British" 
rule, which generally speaking is fairer and less reliant on a Church. You 
will find that as time goes on, and as the Assembly is proven to be the 
success that I an sure it will become, the people of Northern ireland will 
indeed prefer to be responsible for their own actions without interference 
form eithe British OR Irish governments. Sinn Fein/IRA is already showing a 
great likeing to the powere they have achieved. In a UI situation their 
power would be badly deminished and they do NOT want that! So, your 
aspirations and carefully plotted UI will not happen Ray. To think that it 
will is being totally unrealistic and displays your own complete lack of 
knowledge of the Northern situation today.
>
> 6% is not that much of a swing...

Bullshit .......... !
>
> And growing ecomomic as well as political trends are leaning our
> way...

Bullshit .......... !

>
> The BA are gone from the streets (never should have been on) and the
> days of collusion with murderous loyalist death squads are over....

AND murderous Republican death squads! NOT over yet! But still: Bullshit 
........... !

>
> It's only a matter of time!!!

You and I will not see the day Ray! What are you drinking?
>
> If I were you, I'd start applying for an Irish passport...  :)

Why?

Your talking the biggest load of tosh, Ray. Catch yourself on!

LOL! Silly twat!!

-- 
Hal Ó Mearadhaigh.

On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 14:50:35 GMT, The Highlander 
wrote:

>On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 09:19:51 -0400, "WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"
> wrote:
>
>>The British army's operation in Northern Ireland came to an end at midnight
>>after 38 years.
>>
>>Operation Banner - the Army's support role for the police - had been its longest
>>continuous campaign, with more than 300,000 personnel taking part.
>>
>>A garrison of 5,000 troops will remain but security will be entirely the
>>responsibility of the police.
>>
>>British troops were sent to Northern Ireland in 1969 after violent clashes
>>between Catholics and Protestants.
>>
>>When the first soldiers were deployed in August 1969, commanders believed they
>>would be in Northern Ireland for just a few weeks.
>>
>>But the Army quickly became involved in what came to be known as Operation
>>Banner.
>>
>>A total of 763 military personnel were killed during the campaign.
>>
>>At the height of the Troubles, there were about 27,000 soldiers in Northern
>>Ireland. From Wednesday, there will be no more than 5,000.
>>
>>	If they had not been here to hold the line against terrorism, I don't
>>think we would have made the progress that we have made
>>Jeffrey Donaldson, DUP
>>
>>The head of the Army in Northern Ireland, General Nick Parker, said the
>>operation helped create the conditions for a political solution.
>>
>>"What I believe the military have done here is make a significant contribution
>>to the security in Northern Ireland that has allowed other people to make the
>>difference through politics, social programmes and economics," he said.
>>
>>Jeffrey Donaldson of the DUP, paid tribute to the Army.
>>
>>"If they had not been here to hold the line against terrorism, I don't think we
>>would have made the progress that we have made," he said.
>>
>>"I think that we owe them a great debt of gratitude for a huge sacrifice that
>>they have paid to help make this possible."
>>
>>Sinn Fein's Gerry Kelly said it was the government who made decisions concerning
>>the Army.
>>
>>"Was there a honeymoon period when people were relieved that they weren't the
>>heavily armed RUC? Of course there was," he said.
>>
>>"That was short lived. The reason why is because they are an Army, a blunt
>>instrument, it was the British government who made the decision to use them
>>against republicans, nationalists and Catholics."
>>
>>In future, soldiers based in Northern Ireland will be involved in training and
>>will be available for deployment in foreign trouble spots, not on local streets.
>>
>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/northern_ireland/6925263.stm
>>
>>I welcome this decision!  Now roll on the referendum so we can have our United
>>Ireland with no British interference at all!
>>
>>Ray
>
>You really have a gift for missing the point. It ain't going to
>happen. 

Yes it is.

>The BRITISH people of Nothern Ireland have already made their
>decision crystal clear.

Yes but under democratic rules that population will (if it isn't
already) be less than the IRISH population of the six counties ergo...

Nik

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"Nik"  wrote in message 
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> On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 14:50:35 GMT, The Highlander 
> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 09:19:51 -0400, "WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"
>> wrote:
>>
>>>The British army's operation in Northern Ireland came to an end at 
>>>midnight
>>>after 38 years.
>>>
>>>Operation Banner - the Army's support role for the police - had been its 
>>>longest
>>>continuous campaign, with more than 300,000 personnel taking part.
>>>
>>>A garrison of 5,000 troops will remain but security will be entirely the
>>>responsibility of the police.
>>>
>>>British troops were sent to Northern Ireland in 1969 after violent 
>>>clashes
>>>between Catholics and Protestants.
>>>
>>>When the first soldiers were deployed in August 1969, commanders believed 
>>>they
>>>would be in Northern Ireland for just a few weeks.
>>>
>>>But the Army quickly became involved in what came to be known as 
>>>Operation
>>>Banner.
>>>
>>>A total of 763 military personnel were killed during the campaign.
>>>
>>>At the height of the Troubles, there were about 27,000 soldiers in 
>>>Northern
>>>Ireland. From Wednesday, there will be no more than 5,000.
>>>
>>> If they had not been here to hold the line against terrorism, I don't
>>>think we would have made the progress that we have made
>>>Jeffrey Donaldson, DUP
>>>
>>>The head of the Army in Northern Ireland, General Nick Parker, said the
>>>operation helped create the conditions for a political solution.
>>>
>>>"What I believe the military have done here is make a significant 
>>>contribution
>>>to the security in Northern Ireland that has allowed other people to make 
>>>the
>>>difference through politics, social programmes and economics," he said.
>>>
>>>Jeffrey Donaldson of the DUP, paid tribute to the Army.
>>>
>>>"If they had not been here to hold the line against terrorism, I don't 
>>>think we
>>>would have made the progress that we have made," he said.
>>>
>>>"I think that we owe them a great debt of gratitude for a huge sacrifice 
>>>that
>>>they have paid to help make this possible."
>>>
>>>Sinn Fein's Gerry Kelly said it was the government who made decisions 
>>>concerning
>>>the Army.
>>>
>>>"Was there a honeymoon period when people were relieved that they weren't 
>>>the
>>>heavily armed RUC? Of course there was," he said.
>>>
>>>"That was short lived. The reason why is because they are an Army, a 
>>>blunt
>>>instrument, it was the British government who made the decision to use 
>>>them
>>>against republicans, nationalists and Catholics."
>>>
>>>In future, soldiers based in Northern Ireland will be involved in 
>>>training and
>>>will be available for deployment in foreign trouble spots, not on local 
>>>streets.
>>>
>>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/northern_ireland/6925263.stm
>>>
>>>I welcome this decision!  Now roll on the referendum so we can have our 
>>>United
>>>Ireland with no British interference at all!
>>>
>>>Ray
>>
>>You really have a gift for missing the point. It ain't going to
>>happen.
>
> Yes it is.

Letthe 2 fucking idiots ramble on, they dont even reside in the place, a 
pair of fucking morons if there was any..
>
>>The BRITISH people of Nothern Ireland have already made their
>>decision crystal clear.
>
> Yes but under democratic rules that population will (if it isn't
> already) be less than the IRISH population of the six counties ergo...
>
> Nik
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On Wed, 1 Aug 2007 20:11:37 +0100, "Hal Ó Mearadhaigh." 
wrote:

>WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie> wrote:
>> On Wed, 1 Aug 2007 19:15:10 +0100, "Hal Ó Mearadhaigh."
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie> wrote:
>>>> The British army's operation in Northern Ireland came to an end at
>>>> midnight after 38 years.
>>>>
>>>> Operation Banner - the Army's support role for the police - had been
>>>> its longest continuous campaign, with more than 300,000 personnel
>>>> taking part.
>>>>
>>>> A garrison of 5,000 troops will remain but security will be entirely
>>>> the responsibility of the police.
>>>>
>>>> British troops were sent to Northern Ireland in 1969 after violent
>>>> clashes between Catholics and Protestants.
>>>>
>>>> When the first soldiers were deployed in August 1969, commanders
>>>> believed they would be in Northern Ireland for just a few weeks.
>>>>
>>>> But the Army quickly became involved in what came to be known as
>>>> Operation Banner.
>>>>
>>>> A total of 763 military personnel were killed during the campaign.
>>>>
>>>> At the height of the Troubles, there were about 27,000 soldiers in
>>>> Northern Ireland. From Wednesday, there will be no more than 5,000.
>>>>
>>>> If they had not been here to hold the line against terrorism, I
>>>> don't think we would have made the progress that we have made
>>>> Jeffrey Donaldson, DUP
>>>>
>>>> The head of the Army in Northern Ireland, General Nick Parker, said
>>>> the operation helped create the conditions for a political solution.
>>>>
>>>> "What I believe the military have done here is make a significant
>>>> contribution to the security in Northern Ireland that has allowed
>>>> other people to make the difference through politics, social
>>>> programmes and economics," he said.
>>>>
>>>> Jeffrey Donaldson of the DUP, paid tribute to the Army.
>>>>
>>>> "If they had not been here to hold the line against terrorism, I
>>>> don't think we would have made the progress that we have made," he
>>>> said.
>>>>
>>>> "I think that we owe them a great debt of gratitude for a huge
>>>> sacrifice that they have paid to help make this possible."
>>>>
>>>> Sinn Fein's Gerry Kelly said it was the government who made
>>>> decisions concerning the Army.
>>>>
>>>> "Was there a honeymoon period when people were relieved that they
>>>> weren't the heavily armed RUC? Of course there was," he said.
>>>>
>>>> "That was short lived. The reason why is because they are an Army, a
>>>> blunt instrument, it was the British government who made the
>>>> decision to use them against republicans, nationalists and
>>>> Catholics."
>>>>
>>>> In future, soldiers based in Northern Ireland will be involved in
>>>> training and will be available for deployment in foreign trouble
>>>> spots, not on local streets.
>>>>
>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/northern_ireland/6925263.stm
>>>>
>>>> I welcome this decision!  Now roll on the referendum so we can have
>>>> our United Ireland with no British interference at all!
>>>
>>> ROTFLMAO!! Really Ray! There is as much chance of that happening as
>>> you flying to the moon! NO referndum within the forseeable future -
>>> NO United Ireland within the forseable future! Neither option has
>>> anything to do with British interference. Anyway, 54% of the
>>> Northern Irish population does happen to be British. So, youve NO
>>> chance!!
>>> Stupid or what?
>>
>> Your response proves my point...  We need a 6% swing, and it's Hello
>> United 32 County Ireland...  Goodbye British enforced domination of
>> the people!
>
>There is NO Britishenforced domination of anything! Your 6% swing is totally 
>meaningless because there is a considerble percentage of Catholics who want 
>nothing to do with a United Ireland, beiung much happier with "British" 
>rule, which generally speaking is fairer and less reliant on a Church.

Wrong!  It's a majority of Nordies...  Not a majority of Catholics!

> You 
>will find that as time goes on, and as the Assembly is proven to be the 
>success that I an sure it will become, the people of Northern ireland will 
>indeed prefer to be responsible for their own actions without interference 
>form eithe British OR Irish governments. 

This is somethign I've considered....

>Sinn Fein/IRA is already showing a 
>great likeing to the powere they have achieved.

The first steps!  Which are NOTHING without the final goal of a UNITED
IRELAND!!!  SF may well mark my words!

> In a UI situation their 
>power would be badly deminished and they do NOT want that! So, your 
>aspirations and carefully plotted UI will not happen Ray. To think that it 
>will is being totally unrealistic and displays your own complete lack of 
>knowledge of the Northern situation today.
>

Everything the Republicans have been moving towards over the last 10 years or
more are towards a United Ireland...  Your a fool if you believe otherwise!\


>
>> 6% is not that much of a swing...
>
>Bullshit .......... !
>>
>> And growing ecomomic as well as political trends are leaning our
>> way...
>
>Bullshit .......... !
>

Ireland is a bigger economic force then that statelet you live in...  it makes
sense to join forces and become a slightly bigger economic force in the cancer
that is the socialist EU!

>>
>> The BA are gone from the streets (never should have been on) and the
>> days of collusion with murderous loyalist death squads are over....
>
>AND murderous Republican death squads! NOT over yet! But still: Bullshit 
>.......... !
>
>>
>> It's only a matter of time!!!
>
>You and I will not see the day Ray! What are you drinking?

Can you name one good reason for Nordieland to remain isolated?


>>
>> If I were you, I'd start applying for an Irish passport...  :)
>
>Why?
>
>Your talking the biggest load of tosh, Ray. Catch yourself on!
>
>LOL! Silly twat!!

We'll see Harry...

Ray

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"WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote in message 
news:qlr1b3tnf5u0j3c9kac1cl6os8764hqu8a@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 1 Aug 2007 20:11:37 +0100, "Hal Ó Mearadhaigh." 
> 
> wrote:
>
>>WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 1 Aug 2007 19:15:10 +0100, "Hal Ó Mearadhaigh."
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie> wrote:
>>>>> The British army's operation in Northern Ireland came to an end at
>>>>> midnight after 38 years.
>>>>>
>>>>> Operation Banner - the Army's support role for the police - had been
>>>>> its longest continuous campaign, with more than 300,000 personnel
>>>>> taking part.
>>>>>
>>>>> A garrison of 5,000 troops will remain but security will be entirely
>>>>> the responsibility of the police.
>>>>>
>>>>> British troops were sent to Northern Ireland in 1969 after violent
>>>>> clashes between Catholics and Protestants.
>>>>>
>>>>> When the first soldiers were deployed in August 1969, commanders
>>>>> believed they would be in Northern Ireland for just a few weeks.
>>>>>
>>>>> But the Army quickly became involved in what came to be known as
>>>>> Operation Banner.
>>>>>
>>>>> A total of 763 military personnel were killed during the campaign.
>>>>>
>>>>> At the height of the Troubles, there were about 27,000 soldiers in
>>>>> Northern Ireland. From Wednesday, there will be no more than 5,000.
>>>>>
>>>>> If they had not been here to hold the line against terrorism, I
>>>>> don't think we would have made the progress that we have made
>>>>> Jeffrey Donaldson, DUP
>>>>>
>>>>> The head of the Army in Northern Ireland, General Nick Parker, said
>>>>> the operation helped create the conditions for a political solution.
>>>>>
>>>>> "What I believe the military have done here is make a significant
>>>>> contribution to the security in Northern Ireland that has allowed
>>>>> other people to make the difference through politics, social
>>>>> programmes and economics," he said.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeffrey Donaldson of the DUP, paid tribute to the Army.
>>>>>
>>>>> "If they had not been here to hold the line against terrorism, I
>>>>> don't think we would have made the progress that we have made," he
>>>>> said.
>>>>>
>>>>> "I think that we owe them a great debt of gratitude for a huge
>>>>> sacrifice that they have paid to help make this possible."
>>>>>
>>>>> Sinn Fein's Gerry Kelly said it was the government who made
>>>>> decisions concerning the Army.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Was there a honeymoon period when people were relieved that they
>>>>> weren't the heavily armed RUC? Of course there was," he said.
>>>>>
>>>>> "That was short lived. The reason why is because they are an Army, a
>>>>> blunt instrument, it was the British government who made the
>>>>> decision to use them against republicans, nationalists and
>>>>> Catholics."
>>>>>
>>>>> In future, soldiers based in Northern Ireland will be involved in
>>>>> training and will be available for deployment in foreign trouble
>>>>> spots, not on local streets.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/northern_ireland/6925263.stm
>>>>>
>>>>> I welcome this decision!  Now roll on the referendum so we can have
>>>>> our United Ireland with no British interference at all!
>>>>
>>>> ROTFLMAO!! Really Ray! There is as much chance of that happening as
>>>> you flying to the moon! NO referndum within the forseeable future -
>>>> NO United Ireland within the forseable future! Neither option has
>>>> anything to do with British interference. Anyway, 54% of the
>>>> Northern Irish population does happen to be British. So, youve NO
>>>> chance!!
>>>> Stupid or what?
>>>
>>> Your response proves my point...  We need a 6% swing, and it's Hello
>>> United 32 County Ireland...  Goodbye British enforced domination of
>>> the people!
>>
>>There is NO Britishenforced domination of anything! Your 6% swing is 
>>totally
>>meaningless because there is a considerble percentage of Catholics who 
>>want
>>nothing to do with a United Ireland, beiung much happier with "British"
>>rule, which generally speaking is fairer and less reliant on a Church.
>
> Wrong!  It's a majority of Nordies...  Not a majority of Catholics!
>
>> You
>>will find that as time goes on, and as the Assembly is proven to be the
>>success that I an sure it will become, the people of Northern ireland will
>>indeed prefer to be responsible for their own actions without interference
>>form eithe British OR Irish governments.
>
> This is somethign I've considered....
>
>>Sinn Fein/IRA is already showing a
>>great likeing to the powere they have achieved.
>
> The first steps!  Which are NOTHING without the final goal of a UNITED
> IRELAND!!!  SF may well mark my words!
>
>> In a UI situation their
>>power would be badly deminished and they do NOT want that! So, your
>>aspirations and carefully plotted UI will not happen Ray. To think that it
>>will is being totally unrealistic and displays your own complete lack of
>>knowledge of the Northern situation today.
>>
>
> Everything the Republicans have been moving towards over the last 10 years 
> or
> more are towards a United Ireland...  Your a fool if you believe 
> otherwise!\

Only one fool on this board ray................look in the mirror pal.
>
>
>>
>>> 6% is not that much of a swing...
>>
>>Bullshit .......... !
>>>
>>> And growing ecomomic as well as political trends are leaning our
>>> way...
>>
>>Bullshit .......... !
>>
>
> Ireland is a bigger economic force then that statelet you live in...  it 
> makes
> sense to join forces and become a slightly bigger economic force in the 
> cancer
> that is the socialist EU!
>
>>>
>>> The BA are gone from the streets (never should have been on) and the
>>> days of collusion with murderous loyalist death squads are over....
>>
>>AND murderous Republican death squads! NOT over yet! But still: Bullshit
>>.......... !
>>
>>>
>>> It's only a matter of time!!!
>>
>>You and I will not see the day Ray! What are you drinking?
>
> Can you name one good reason for Nordieland to remain isolated?

Isolated from the south do you mean, well that is simple ray its called 
democracy and with over 50% of nordies wishing to remain loyal to the Gt 
Britain charter, well that says it all, unless of course all those little 
catholic boys come over and plant thier seeds, but then again that will take 
a rather long time methinks.
>
>
>>>
>>> If I were you, I'd start applying for an Irish passport...  :)
>>
>>Why?
>>
>>Your talking the biggest load of tosh, Ray. Catch yourself on!
>>
>>LOL! Silly twat!!
>
> We'll see Harry...
> We will ray, pity you cant you dumbfucker
> Ray
>
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On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 21:04:01 GMT, "DAVID JONES"
 wrote:

>
>"WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote in message 
>news:qlr1b3tnf5u0j3c9kac1cl6os8764hqu8a@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 1 Aug 2007 20:11:37 +0100, "Hal Ó Mearadhaigh." 
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 1 Aug 2007 19:15:10 +0100, "Hal Ó Mearadhaigh."
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie> wrote:
>>>>>> The British army's operation in Northern Ireland came to an end at
>>>>>> midnight after 38 years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Operation Banner - the Army's support role for the police - had been
>>>>>> its longest continuous campaign, with more than 300,000 personnel
>>>>>> taking part.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A garrison of 5,000 troops will remain but security will be entirely
>>>>>> the responsibility of the police.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> British troops were sent to Northern Ireland in 1969 after violent
>>>>>> clashes between Catholics and Protestants.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When the first soldiers were deployed in August 1969, commanders
>>>>>> believed they would be in Northern Ireland for just a few weeks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But the Army quickly became involved in what came to be known as
>>>>>> Operation Banner.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A total of 763 military personnel were killed during the campaign.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At the height of the Troubles, there were about 27,000 soldiers in
>>>>>> Northern Ireland. From Wednesday, there will be no more than 5,000.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If they had not been here to hold the line against terrorism, I
>>>>>> don't think we would have made the progress that we have made
>>>>>> Jeffrey Donaldson, DUP
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The head of the Army in Northern Ireland, General Nick Parker, said
>>>>>> the operation helped create the conditions for a political solution.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "What I believe the military have done here is make a significant
>>>>>> contribution to the security in Northern Ireland that has allowed
>>>>>> other people to make the difference through politics, social
>>>>>> programmes and economics," he said.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jeffrey Donaldson of the DUP, paid tribute to the Army.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "If they had not been here to hold the line against terrorism, I
>>>>>> don't think we would have made the progress that we have made," he
>>>>>> said.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "I think that we owe them a great debt of gratitude for a huge
>>>>>> sacrifice that they have paid to help make this possible."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sinn Fein's Gerry Kelly said it was the government who made
>>>>>> decisions concerning the Army.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Was there a honeymoon period when people were relieved that they
>>>>>> weren't the heavily armed RUC? Of course there was," he said.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "That was short lived. The reason why is because they are an Army, a
>>>>>> blunt instrument, it was the British government who made the
>>>>>> decision to use them against republicans, nationalists and
>>>>>> Catholics."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In future, soldiers based in Northern Ireland will be involved in
>>>>>> training and will be available for deployment in foreign trouble
>>>>>> spots, not on local streets.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/northern_ireland/6925263.stm
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I welcome this decision!  Now roll on the referendum so we can have
>>>>>> our United Ireland with no British interference at all!
>>>>>
>>>>> ROTFLMAO!! Really Ray! There is as much chance of that happening as
>>>>> you flying to the moon! NO referndum within the forseeable future -
>>>>> NO United Ireland within the forseable future! Neither option has
>>>>> anything to do with British interference. Anyway, 54% of the
>>>>> Northern Irish population does happen to be British. So, youve NO
>>>>> chance!!
>>>>> Stupid or what?
>>>>
>>>> Your response proves my point...  We need a 6% swing, and it's Hello
>>>> United 32 County Ireland...  Goodbye British enforced domination of
>>>> the people!
>>>
>>>There is NO Britishenforced domination of anything! Your 6% swing is 
>>>totally
>>>meaningless because there is a considerble percentage of Catholics who 
>>>want
>>>nothing to do with a United Ireland, beiung much happier with "British"
>>>rule, which generally speaking is fairer and less reliant on a Church.
>>
>> Wrong!  It's a majority of Nordies...  Not a majority of Catholics!
>>
>>> You
>>>will find that as time goes on, and as the Assembly is proven to be the
>>>success that I an sure it will become, the people of Northern ireland will
>>>indeed prefer to be responsible for their own actions without interference
>>>form eithe British OR Irish governments.
>>
>> This is somethign I've considered....
>>
>>>Sinn Fein/IRA is already showing a
>>>great likeing to the powere they have achieved.
>>
>> The first steps!  Which are NOTHING without the final goal of a UNITED
>> IRELAND!!!  SF may well mark my words!
>>
>>> In a UI situation their
>>>power would be badly deminished and they do NOT want that! So, your
>>>aspirations and carefully plotted UI will not happen Ray. To think that it
>>>will is being totally unrealistic and displays your own complete lack of
>>>knowledge of the Northern situation today.
>>>
>>
>> Everything the Republicans have been moving towards over the last 10 years 
>> or
>> more are towards a United Ireland...  Your a fool if you believe 
>> otherwise!\
>
>Only one fool on this board ray................look in the mirror pal.

I may be only one of the few true real Republicans on this board... But if your
looking for fools look towards Eugene and his new bestest friendies...  Ex BA
troops and Ex RUC and wonder what sort of Republican would openly join their
attacks against another Republican (me)...  Think..  He's not what he seems...
Sure he posts pics of him and marty and gerry...  but I wonder if they know what
sort of shite they throw at me (a REAL Republican)...   Don't know why I'm
asking you, a Loyalist... But I'm sure you are having a good laugh at the
in-fighting going on...  which is sad really....

>>
>>
>>>
>>>> 6% is not that much of a swing...
>>>
>>>Bullshit .......... !
>>>>
>>>> And growing ecomomic as well as political trends are leaning our
>>>> way...
>>>
>>>Bullshit .......... !
>>>
>>
>> Ireland is a bigger economic force then that statelet you live in...  it 
>> makes
>> sense to join forces and become a slightly bigger economic force in the 
>> cancer
>> that is the socialist EU!
>>
>>>>
>>>> The BA are gone from the streets (never should have been on) and the
>>>> days of collusion with murderous loyalist death squads are over....
>>>
>>>AND murderous Republican death squads! NOT over yet! But still: Bullshit
>>>.......... !
>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's only a matter of time!!!
>>>
>>>You and I will not see the day Ray! What are you drinking?
>>
>> Can you name one good reason for Nordieland to remain isolated?
>
>Isolated from the south do you mean, well that is simple ray its called 
>democracy and with over 50% of nordies wishing to remain loyal to the Gt 
>Britain charter, well that says it all, unless of course all those little 
>catholic boys come over and plant thier seeds, but then again that will take 
>a rather long time methinks.

The GFA says as soon as there is a Nationalist majority we will have a United
Ireland... It's only a matter of time now...

ray

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Ex_OWM wrote:
> "WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote in message
> news:r681b31pemj4ggia4k0ia08mbrga11qjra@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 13:33:07 GMT, "Falcon" 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> WhiteWolf <as bright as ever> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The British army's operation in Northern Ireland came to an end at
>>>> midnight after 38 years.
>>> [...]
>>>
>>> Well, I'm sure we all missed that bit of news. Thanks for letting
>>> us know.
>>
>> I posted it here because it's important and nobody else did...
>
> That's because nobody here except you gives a shit about that stuff
> any more.

Indeed. I don't know of anybody who gives
a flying fuck about any of this.

"WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote in message
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> The British army's operation in Northern Ireland came to an end at
midnight
> after 38 years.

c'mon, everybody sing!

"take me back to Mayo, beyond the Irish Sea. Home again, in Mayo, there's
where I long to be! Home again, In Mayo, there let my body lie." ...

"WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote in message 
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> On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 21:04:01 GMT, "DAVID JONES"
>  wrote:

[...]

> The GFA says as soon as there is a Nationalist majority we will have a 
> United
> Ireland... It's only a matter of time now...

It says no such thing, it says when a majority of people in NI vote for a 
UI. A Nationalist majority does not automatically mean a majority voting for 
a UI.

"gonzo"  wrote in message 
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> Ex_OWM wrote:
>> "WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote in message
>> news:r681b31pemj4ggia4k0ia08mbrga11qjra@4ax.com...
>>> On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 13:33:07 GMT, "Falcon" 
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> WhiteWolf <as bright as ever> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The British army's operation in Northern Ireland came to an end at
>>>>> midnight after 38 years.
>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>> Well, I'm sure we all missed that bit of news. Thanks for letting
>>>> us know.
>>>
>>> I posted it here because it's important and nobody else did...
>>
>> That's because nobody here except you gives a shit about that stuff
>> any more.
>
> Indeed. I don't know of anybody who gives
> a flying fuck about any of this.

Plastic paddies like Ray simply don't have a clue about how attitudes have 
changed in Ireland - both North and South - over the last few years.

Scríobh "Ex_OWM" :
>
>"WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote in message 
>news:vfv1b393em86hklcf31940dvclnk730m2h@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 21:04:01 GMT, "DAVID JONES"
>>  wrote:
>
>[...]
>
>> The GFA says as soon as there is a Nationalist majority we will have a 
>> United
>> Ireland... It's only a matter of time now...
>
>It says no such thing, it says when a majority of people in NI vote for a 
>UI. A Nationalist majority does not automatically mean a majority voting for 
>a UI. 

Conversely, a nationalist majority may not be necessary, if for
example Peter Robinson decided it would be worth it for the 12.5%
corporation tax rate.

-- 
'Donegal:  Up Here It's Different'
© Féachadóir

Ex_OWM wrote:

> "gonzo"  wrote in message
> news:f8r4v0$8ps$1@reader01.news.esat.net...
>> Ex_OWM wrote:
>>> "WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote in message
>>> news:r681b31pemj4ggia4k0ia08mbrga11qjra@4ax.com...
>>>> On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 13:33:07 GMT, "Falcon" 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> WhiteWolf <as bright as ever> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The British army's operation in Northern Ireland came to an end at
>>>>>> midnight after 38 years.
>>>>> [...]
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, I'm sure we all missed that bit of news. Thanks for letting
>>>>> us know.
>>>>
>>>> I posted it here because it's important and nobody else did...
>>>
>>> That's because nobody here except you gives a shit about that stuff
>>> any more.
>>
>> Indeed. I don't know of anybody who gives
>> a flying fuck about any of this.
>
> Plastic paddies like Ray simply don't have a clue about how attitudes have
> changed in Ireland - both North and South - over the last few years.

He knows how attitudes have changed, all right.
He's just stuck in the past - on so many levels.

-- 
Falcon:
fide, sed cui vide. (L)

WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie> wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Aug 2007 20:11:37 +0100, "Hal Ó Mearadhaigh."
>  wrote:
>
>> WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 1 Aug 2007 19:15:10 +0100, "Hal Ó Mearadhaigh."
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie> wrote:
>>>>> The British army's operation in Northern Ireland came to an end at
>>>>> midnight after 38 years.
>>>>>
>>>>> Operation Banner - the Army's support role for the police - had
>>>>> been its longest continuous campaign, with more than 300,000
>>>>> personnel taking part.
>>>>>
>>>>> A garrison of 5,000 troops will remain but security will be
>>>>> entirely the responsibility of the police.
>>>>>
>>>>> British troops were sent to Northern Ireland in 1969 after violent
>>>>> clashes between Catholics and Protestants.
>>>>>
>>>>> When the first soldiers were deployed in August 1969, commanders
>>>>> believed they would be in Northern Ireland for just a few weeks.
>>>>>
>>>>> But the Army quickly became involved in what came to be known as
>>>>> Operation Banner.
>>>>>
>>>>> A total of 763 military personnel were killed during the campaign.
>>>>>
>>>>> At the height of the Troubles, there were about 27,000 soldiers in
>>>>> Northern Ireland. From Wednesday, there will be no more than
>>>>> 5,000.
>>>>>
>>>>> If they had not been here to hold the line against terrorism, I
>>>>> don't think we would have made the progress that we have made
>>>>> Jeffrey Donaldson, DUP
>>>>>
>>>>> The head of the Army in Northern Ireland, General Nick Parker,
>>>>> said the operation helped create the conditions for a political
>>>>> solution.
>>>>>
>>>>> "What I believe the military have done here is make a significant
>>>>> contribution to the security in Northern Ireland that has allowed
>>>>> other people to make the difference through politics, social
>>>>> programmes and economics," he said.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeffrey Donaldson of the DUP, paid tribute to the Army.
>>>>>
>>>>> "If they had not been here to hold the line against terrorism, I
>>>>> don't think we would have made the progress that we have made," he
>>>>> said.
>>>>>
>>>>> "I think that we owe them a great debt of gratitude for a huge
>>>>> sacrifice that they have paid to help make this possible."
>>>>>
>>>>> Sinn Fein's Gerry Kelly said it was the government who made
>>>>> decisions concerning the Army.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Was there a honeymoon period when people were relieved that they
>>>>> weren't the heavily armed RUC? Of course there was," he said.
>>>>>
>>>>> "That was short lived. The reason why is because they are an
>>>>> Army, a blunt instrument, it was the British government who made
>>>>> the decision to use them against republicans, nationalists and
>>>>> Catholics."
>>>>>
>>>>> In future, soldiers based in Northern Ireland will be involved in
>>>>> training and will be available for deployment in foreign trouble
>>>>> spots, not on local streets.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/northern_ireland/6925263.stm
>>>>>
>>>>> I welcome this decision!  Now roll on the referendum so we can
>>>>> have our United Ireland with no British interference at all!
>>>>
>>>> ROTFLMAO!! Really Ray! There is as much chance of that happening as
>>>> you flying to the moon! NO referndum within the forseeable future -
>>>> NO United Ireland within the forseable future! Neither option has
>>>> anything to do with British interference. Anyway, 54% of the
>>>> Northern Irish population does happen to be British. So, youve NO
>>>> chance!!
>>>> Stupid or what?
>>>
>>> Your response proves my point...  We need a 6% swing, and it's Hello
>>> United 32 County Ireland...  Goodbye British enforced domination of
>>> the people!
>>
>> There is NO Britishenforced domination of anything! Your 6% swing is
>> totally meaningless because there is a considerble percentage of
>> Catholics who want nothing to do with a United Ireland, beiung much
>> happier with "British" rule, which generally speaking is fairer and
>> less reliant on a Church.
>
> Wrong!  It's a majority of Nordies...  Not a majority of Catholics!

The majority of the Northern population does NOT want a United Ireland at 
any price. The majority of Catholics? Who mentioned that? I said a 
considerable percentage of Catholics,(meaning NI Catholics), want nothing to 
do with a UI.As was proven in the all-Ireland referendum, the majority of 
Irish citizens both North and South, do NOT want a UI either. Why? It would 
completely destable the economy in the Republic is why. You only have to 
look at Germany after "her" unification.
>
>> You
>> will find that as time goes on, and as the Assembly is proven to be
>> the success that I an sure it will become, the people of Northern
>> ireland will indeed prefer to be responsible for their own actions
>> without interference form eithe British OR Irish governments.
>
> This is somethign I've considered....
>
>> Sinn Fein/IRA is already showing a
>> great likeing to the powere they have achieved.
>
> The first steps!  Which are NOTHING without the final goal of a UNITED
> IRELAND!!!  SF may well mark my words!

Like most of modern thinking Irishmen, Sinn Fein really couldn't give a damn 
any more. All this tribal shite is just that, as it always was, shite! - We 
have all moved on Ray. Time you woke up. All those years of murder and 
mayhem by the PIRA? Practically everyone accepts today that it was a 
complete waste of time, effort, and innocent lives. A far quicker and more 
effective answer wouod have been the peacefull, democratic and political 
line.
>
>> In a UI situation their
>> power would be badly deminished and they do NOT want that! So, your
>> aspirations and carefully plotted UI will not happen Ray. To think
>> that it will is being totally unrealistic and displays your own
>> complete lack of knowledge of the Northern situation today.
>>
>
> Everything the Republicans have been moving towards over the last 10
> years or more are towards a United Ireland...  Your a fool if you
> believe otherwise!\

Nobody is denying that! However, Republican fundamentalists are having to 
accept that they are very much a minority when it comes to violence. 
Economic actualities and realism is now showing the truth. Violence does NOT 
pay. Sectarianism is rife and will remain so, because of Republican actions. 
Most people do not want to even think about all this out-dated Republican 
nonsense.
>
>
>>
>>> 6% is not that much of a swing...
>>
>> Bullshit .......... !
>>>
>>> And growing ecomomic as well as political trends are leaning our
>>> way...
>>
>> Bullshit .......... !
>>
>
> Ireland is a bigger economic force then that statelet you live in...
> it makes sense to join forces and become a slightly bigger economic
> force in the cancer that is the socialist EU!

I had thought that the Republic of Ireland WAS a socialist State, ruled by a 
socialist Government, with a self declared socialist Teaseach! - Oh, and for 
the record, if it wasn't for that self same socialist EU handing Ireland 
billions in money, Ireland would still be a poor country. Ireland sold her 
sole and her sovreignty to the EU for filthy lucre!
>
>>>
>>> The BA are gone from the streets (never should have been on) and the
>>> days of collusion with murderous loyalist death squads are over....
>>
>> AND murderous Republican death squads! NOT over yet! But still:
>> Bullshit .......... !
>>
>>>
>>> It's only a matter of time!!!
>>
>> You and I will not see the day Ray! What are you drinking?
>
> Can you name one good reason for Nordieland to remain isolated?

The North of Ireland is NOT isolated! It is now co-operating with the other 
UK countries, Wales, Scotland, Isle of Man, Channel Islands etc., who all 
have their own assemblies or local parliaments in order to have a much 
stronger bargaining base with the UK parliament. They are all also 
negotiaing with the Government of the neighbouring friendly State, the 
Republic of Ireland, and also are fully represented in Brussels. There is 
absolutely nothing islolated about that!

>
>
>>>
>>> If I were you, I'd start applying for an Irish passport...  :)
>>
>> Why?
>>
>> Your talking the biggest load of tosh, Ray. Catch yourself on!
>>
>> LOL! Silly twat!!

You are so full of silly old fashioned crap! I really do believe you are 
about three feet tall and wear green with a tall green hat!

-- 
Hal Ó Mearadhaigh.

"Féachadóir" <Féach@d.óir> wrote in message 
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> Scríobh "Ex_OWM" :
>>
>>"WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote in message
>>news:vfv1b393em86hklcf31940dvclnk730m2h@4ax.com...
>>> On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 21:04:01 GMT, "DAVID JONES"
>>>  wrote:
>>
>>[...]
>>
>>> The GFA says as soon as there is a Nationalist majority we will have a
>>> United
>>> Ireland... It's only a matter of time now...
>>
>>It says no such thing, it says when a majority of people in NI vote for a
>>UI. A Nationalist majority does not automatically mean a majority voting 
>>for
>>a UI.
>
> Conversely, a nationalist majority may not be necessary, if for
> example Peter Robinson decided it would be worth it for the 12.5%
> corporation tax rate.

Possible but unlikely in the near future, I think, as opinion polls 
consistently show 20%+ of Catholics in favour of staying in the UK, 5%- of 
Protestants favouring a UI.

Those figures may change as things become more stable in the North but IMHO 
that will work against a UI - when things are comfortably stable, people are 
inclined to vote for the staus quo as seen in our last General Election.

Scríobh "Ex_OWM" :
>
>Those figures may change as things become more stable in the North but IMHO 
>that will work against a UI - when things are comfortably stable, people are 
>inclined to vote for the staus quo as seen in our last General Election.

I'd have said our last election was won on fear of the unknown, not
satisfaction with the known.


-- 
'Donegal:  Up Here It's Different'
© Féachadóir

On 2 Aug, 09:05, "Falcon"  wrote:
> Ex_OWM wrote:
> > "gonzo"  wrote in message
> >news:f8r4v0$8ps$1@reader01.news.esat.net...
> >> Ex_OWM wrote:
> >>> "WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote in message
> >>>news:r681b31pemj4ggia4k0ia08mbrga11qjra@4ax.com...
> >>>> On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 13:33:07 GMT, "Falcon" 
> >>>> wrote:
>
> >>>>> WhiteWolf <as bright as ever> wrote:
>
> >>>>>> The British army's operation in Northern Ireland came to an end at
> >>>>>> midnight after 38 years.
> >>>>> [...]
>
> >>>>> Well, I'm sure we all missed that bit of news. Thanks for letting
> >>>>> us know.
>
> >>>> I posted it here because it's important and nobody else did...
>
> >>> That's because nobody here except you gives a shit about that stuff
> >>> any more.
>
> >> Indeed. I don't know of anybody who gives
> >> a flying fuck about any of this.
>
> > Plastic paddies like Ray simply don't have a clue about how attitudes have
> > changed in Ireland - both North and South - over the last few years.
>
> He knows how attitudes have changed, all right.
> He's just stuck in the past - on so many levels.
>
> --
> Falcon:
> fide, sed cui vide. (L)- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

How would you know about nationalist or republican attitudes. Tell me
how you know of an attitude change say in south armagh or the bogside
in Derry.

"Féachadóir" <Féach@d.óir> wrote in message 
news:4ff3b3d3p5osjm3csdjt1tvep1skeanma9@4ax.com...
> Scríobh "Ex_OWM" :
>>
>>Those figures may change as things become more stable in the North but 
>>IMHO
>>that will work against a UI - when things are comfortably stable, people 
>>are
>>inclined to vote for the staus quo as seen in our last General Election.
>
> I'd have said our last election was won on fear of the unknown, not
> satisfaction with the known.

That's what I meant by voting for the status quo.

freeireland wrote:

> On 2 Aug, 09:05, "Falcon"  wrote:
>> Ex_OWM wrote:
>>> "gonzo"  wrote in message
>>> news:f8r4v0$8ps$1@reader01.news.esat.net...
>>>> Ex_OWM wrote:
>>>>> "WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:r681b31pemj4ggia4k0ia08mbrga11qjra@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 13:33:07 GMT, "Falcon" 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> WhiteWolf <as bright as ever> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>> The British army's operation in Northern Ireland came to an end at
>>>>>>>> midnight after 38 years.
>>>>>>> [...]
>>
>>>>>>> Well, I'm sure we all missed that bit of news. Thanks for letting
>>>>>>> us know.
>>
>>>>>> I posted it here because it's important and nobody else did...
>>
>>>>> That's because nobody here except you gives a shit about that stuff
>>>>> any more.
>>
>>>> Indeed. I don't know of anybody who gives
>>>> a flying fuck about any of this.
>>
>>> Plastic paddies like Ray simply don't have a clue about how attitudes
>>> have changed in Ireland - both North and South - over the last few
>>> years.
>>
>> He knows how attitudes have changed, all right.
>> He's just stuck in the past - on so many levels.
>
> How would you know about nationalist or republican attitudes. Tell me
> how you know of an attitude change say in south armagh or the bogside
> in Derry.

I know the army are no longer needed to support the police in either south 
Armagh or the Bogside. We were talking about Ray, but I'm also sure he's not 
the only moron stuck in the 20th Century.

-- 
Falcon:
fide, sed cui vide. (L)

Falcon wrote:
> freeireland wrote:
>
>> On 2 Aug, 09:05, "Falcon"  wrote:
>>> Ex_OWM wrote:
>>>> "gonzo"  wrote in message
>>>> news:f8r4v0$8ps$1@reader01.news.esat.net...
>>>>> Ex_OWM wrote:
>>>>>> "WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote in message
>>>>>> news:r681b31pemj4ggia4k0ia08mbrga11qjra@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 13:33:07 GMT, "Falcon" 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>> WhiteWolf <as bright as ever> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>>> The British army's operation in Northern Ireland came to an
>>>>>>>>> end at midnight after 38 years.
>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>
>>>>>>>> Well, I'm sure we all missed that bit of news. Thanks for
>>>>>>>> letting us know.
>>>
>>>>>>> I posted it here because it's important and nobody else did...
>>>
>>>>>> That's because nobody here except you gives a shit about that
>>>>>> stuff any more.
>>>
>>>>> Indeed. I don't know of anybody who gives
>>>>> a flying fuck about any of this.
>>>
>>>> Plastic paddies like Ray simply don't have a clue about how
>>>> attitudes have changed in Ireland - both North and South - over
>>>> the last few years.
>>>
>>> He knows how attitudes have changed, all right.
>>> He's just stuck in the past - on so many levels.
>>
>> How would you know about nationalist or republican attitudes. Tell me
>> how you know of an attitude change say in south armagh or the bogside
>> in Derry.
>
> I know the army are no longer needed to support the police in either
> south Armagh or the Bogside. We were talking about Ray, but I'm also
> sure he's not the only moron stuck in the 20th Century.

If you really mean "Sectarian" or "Bigot" rather than "attitude" then, 
indeed, nothing has changed at all in that respect. Which is why there is no 
chance in Hell of a United Ireland for a very long time yet!

-- 
Hal Ó Mearadhaigh.

On 2 Aug, 22:04, "Falcon"  wrote:
> freeireland wrote:
> > On 2 Aug, 09:05, "Falcon"  wrote:
> >> Ex_OWM wrote:
> >>> "gonzo"  wrote in message
> >>>news:f8r4v0$8ps$1@reader01.news.esat.net...
> >>>> Ex_OWM wrote:
> >>>>> "WhiteWolf <rayh<spam>@iol.ie>"  wrote in message
> >>>>>news:r681b31pemj4ggia4k0ia08mbrga11qjra@4ax.com...
> >>>>>> On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 13:33:07 GMT, "Falcon" 
> >>>>>> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> WhiteWolf <as bright as ever> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>> The British army's operation in Northern Ireland came to an end at
> >>>>>>>> midnight after 38 years.
> >>>>>>> [...]
>
> >>>>>>> Well, I'm sure we all missed that bit of news. Thanks for letting
> >>>>>>> us know.
>
> >>>>>> I posted it here because it's important and nobody else did...
>
> >>>>> That's because nobody here except you gives a shit about that stuff
> >>>>> any more.
>
> >>>> Indeed. I don't know of anybody who gives
> >>>> a flying fuck about any of this.
>
> >>> Plastic paddies like Ray simply don't have a clue about how attitudes
> >>> have changed in Ireland - both North and South - over the last few
> >>> years.
>
> >> He knows how attitudes have changed, all right.
> >> He's just stuck in the past - on so many levels.
>
> > How would you know about nationalist or republican attitudes. Tell me
> > how you know of an attitude change say in south armagh or the bogside
> > in Derry.
>
> I know the army are no longer needed to support the police in either south
> Armagh or the Bogside. We were talking about Ray, but I'm also sure he's not
> the only moron stuck in the 20th Century.
>
> --
> Falcon:
> fide, sed cui vide. (L)- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

So you don't know anything about the attitudes of people in republican
or nationalist areas do you.  Only a very small percentage of the
republicans or nationalists ever attacked the police, certainly to a
degree where army support was required. Just because the PIRA are no
longer attacking the police does not mean the wider nationalist
community have changed there attitude towards that organisation. You
have been making strong claims about how nationalist and republican
attitudes have changed so again I am asking you how you know this or
have you just made this up without any evidence of it at all.

freeireland wrote:

> On 2 Aug, 22:04, "Falcon"  wrote:
>> freeireland wrote:
[...]
>>> How would you know about nationalist or republican attitudes. Tell me
>>> how you know of an attitude change say in south armagh or the bogside
>>> in Derry.
>>
>> I know the army are no longer needed to support the police in either
>> south Armagh or the Bogside. We were talking about Ray, but I'm also
>> sure he's not the only moron stuck in the 20th Century.
>>
> So you don't know anything about the attitudes of people in republican
> or nationalist areas do you.  Only a very small percentage of the
> republicans or nationalists ever attacked the police, certainly to a
> degree where army support was required. [...]

If your version of the past is based on the preceding sentence, it's not
worth discussing. It's certainly true that republicans and nationalists were 
not the only people who ever attacked them, but minimising your own 
community's contribution to the problems faced by the police is simply 
ridiculous.

The army were there to support the police. The army is no longer required.
Even you should be able to work out why.

-- 
Falcon:
fide, sed cui vide. (L)

On 3 Aug, 09:57, "Falcon"  wrote:
> freeireland wrote:
> > On 2 Aug, 22:04, "Falcon"  wrote:
> >> freeireland wrote:
> [...]
> >>> How would you know about nationalist or republican attitudes. Tell me
> >>> how you know of an attitude change say in south armagh or the bogside
> >>> in Derry.
>
> >> I know the army are no longer needed to support the police in either
> >> south Armagh or the Bogside. We were talking about Ray, but I'm also
> >> sure he's not the only moron stuck in the 20th Century.
>
> > So you don't know anything about the attitudes of people in republican
> > or nationalist areas do you.  Only a very small percentage of the
> > republicans or nationalists ever attacked the police, certainly to a
> > degree where army support was required. [...]
>
> If your version of the past is based on the preceding sentence, it's not
> worth discussing. It's certainly true that republicans and nationalists were
> not the only people who ever attacked them, but minimising your own
> community's contribution to the problems faced by the police is simply
> ridiculous.
>
> The army were there to support the police. The army is no longer required.
> Even you should be able to work out why.
>

What a pile of tripe, here you people are critising people for being
plastic paddies etc telling people how attitudes have changed. Yet
clearly you have no ideal about the attitudes of nationalists or
republicans, maybe you show go into the bogside and ask them what they
think or south armagh to areas like Coleraine to Enniskillen. Maybe
you show goto an orange parade or cross on the ferry when their is a
Celtic or Rangers match on. Maybe you will keep listening to the news
told by reporters living in the much in touch Malone road. Clearly you
never had any idea about the attitudes nationalists or republicans in
the past except for the same old British army rhetoric that you now
all too easily repeat. You certainly now have no idea about the
attitudes of republicans or nationalists so how could you ever comment
on those attitudes. To comment on something like this without any real
knowledge is ignorance of the highest order though its nothing more
than we expect from whats probably an ex British soldier whos full of
the same old shit.






> --
> Falcon:
> fide, sed cui vide. (L)- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

freeireland wrote:

> On 3 Aug, 09:57, "Falcon"  wrote:
>> freeireland wrote:
>>> On 2 Aug, 22:04, "Falcon"  wrote:
>>>> freeireland wrote:
>> [...]
>>>>> How would you know about nationalist or republican attitudes. Tell me
>>>>> how you know of an attitude change say in south armagh or the bogside
>>>>> in Derry.
>>
>>>> I know the army are no longer needed to support the police in either
>>>> south Armagh or the Bogside. We were talking about Ray, but I'm also
>>>> sure he's not the only moron stuck in the 20th Century.
>>
>>> So you don't know anything about the attitudes of people in republican
>>> or nationalist areas do you.  Only a very small percentage of the
>>> republicans or nationalists ever attacked the police, certainly to a
>>> degree where army support was required. [...]
>>
>> If your version of the past is based on the preceding sentence, it's not
>> worth discussing. It's certainly true that republicans and nationalists
>> were not the only people who ever attacked them, but minimising your own
>> community's contribution to the problems faced by the police is simply
>> ridiculous.
>>
>> The army were there to support the police. The army is no longer
>> required. Even you should be able to work out why.
>>
>
> What a pile of tripe,
<snipped "the same old shit">

You do remember how this started, don't you?
It was a *nationalist* s