matt wrote:
>adamlynn wrote:
> >matt  wrote:
>
> > > >> > from fairest creatures we desire increase
> > > >> > that thereby beauties rose might never die;
> > > >> > but, as the riper should by time decease,
> > > >> > his tender hire might be his memory.
> > > >> > but, thou contracted to thine own bright eyes;
> > > >> > feedest thy lights flame with self substantial fuel;
> > > >> > making a famine where abundance lies;
> > > >> > thyself, they foe, to thy sweat self too cruel.
> > > >> > thou that art now the worlds fresh ornament;
> > > >> > and cater only to the gaudy spring;
> > > >> > within thine own bud buriest thy content;
> > > >> > and, tender churl, makest waste in niggarding.
> > > >> > pity the world, or esle this glutten be.
> > > >> > to eat the world dues, by the grave and thee.
>
> > > >> > william shakespeare
>
> > > >> > now, ladies and gents, notice that the word
> > > >> > "memory" at the end of line four doesn't necessarily
> > > >> > rhyme with "die" from line two.  however, after
> > > >> > reading it out loud many times, i finally decided to
> > > >> > try out my best attempt at a british accent.  and,
> > > >> > upon watching many episodes of montey python
> > > >> > in my day, i was able to scratch something out.
> > > >> > anyway, it's altogether possible that shakespeare
> > > >> > intended "memory" to be enunciated with a british
> > > >> > accent, which would, in turn, make it memor i.
>
> > > >> > get it..?
> > > >> > ain't it clever..?
> > > >> > matt
>
> > > >> more likely die pronounced as dee
> > > >> (I can hear John Cleese in the dead parrot skit now.....)
>
> > > >>www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6Lq771TVm4http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ne...text -
>
> > > >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > perfect!
> > > > you're probably correct.
> > > > i'm glad i was, at least, in the ballpark.
>
> > > No doubt you were in *a* ball park when you ought to have been
> > > listening to a school lesson about the Great Vowel Shift.
>
> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Vowel_Shift>
>
> > > > i'm positive my stab at a british accent
> > > > is far from accurate...i just threw this
> > > > out there for a few laughs.
>
> > > I laughed. A lot. At you.
>
> > > > everybody's so serious lately.
>
> > > > it's such a drag.
>
> > > Why don't you fuck off and dee?
>
> > well, at least i did something positive todaye.
>
> > and, i don't mind fucking off...it's the dying part
> > that i'm not quite ready for at this time.  but,
> > thanks for the offer all the sime.
>
> Well, since this /is/ a Shakespeare thread, it is worth pointing out
> that "die" was slang for "orgasm" at the time... my best and favorite
> English teacher, Dan Barfield, explained that and other "had to be
> there" things about Shakes that made the audiences enjoy these works
> in ways we'll probably never get. His explanation of the word "Quaint"
> was pretty enlightening, and why folks in the audience might chuckle
> or blush when a man on the stage would smile and say "Pleased to make
> your aquaintence, lady..." or somesuch. Here's some reposts from the
> archives, fair use for educational purposes:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/humanities.lit.authors.shakespeare/msg...
>
> "Paul Crowley"  wrote in
> messagenews:8jEtc.728$Z14.701@news.indigo.ie...
>
> > "Buffalo"  wrote in messagenews:c9605c$5oq$1@titan.btinternet.com...
> > > At the other end of the spectrum we have those who
> > > continually find sexual innuendo where it doesn't exist.
> > Care to provide some examples?
>
> I'll do better than that. I'll provide contrasting examples.
>
> Example of adult exegesis (Lynne Kositsky), relating to Sonnet 3:
>
>   But if thou live remembered not to be,
>   Die single, and thine image dies with thee.
>
> "But there's a wonderful pun on it too, one I've just discovered.
> "Die" is
> to have an orgasm. Therefore "to die single" is to masturbate. And
> "Die
> single and thine image dies with thee" has a wonderful flavour of self
> love.
> If you have an orgasm
> while looking in the mirror, your image has one too. "
>
> Example of pre-pubescent exegesis (Paul Crowley) of Sonnet 2 - my
> paraphrase:
>
>    When forty of the martial Winter brothers browbeat you about some
> issue
>    And dig deep trenches in Windsor Park....
>
> Like most other people, I didn't have the stamina to wade through the
> rest
> of it. But a few taps of the Page Down key confirmed that it contained
> what
> I expected it to contain:-
>
> Penis....vagina.... penis..... vagina....askt=arsed...her beauty lies
> in her
> arse... her "deepe sunken eyes"=her vagina (twin vaginas,
> presumably)...
> penis...female pudenda...orgasm....thriftlesse p-raise..another
> vagina...
> sum my cunt...her excuse for a cunt...the Queen's 'ole...

Look up the origins of the word Quaint for an eye opener, back in
Shakespeare's time (and before) it had a quite different meaning, at
least in some contexts. "Please to make your acquaintance, m'lady."
could get some real laughs from audience members at The Globe who were
in the know. Looking this up again, I see that besides Shakes,
Chaucer, Jonson, Marvell and other literary notables used Quaint in
this way.

http://www.sex-lexis.com/Sex-Dictionary/quaint

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