The "holp" and "holpen" forms aren't used anymore, aren't they?

When did they vanished?


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ADPUF wrote:
> The "holp" and "holpen" forms aren't used anymore, aren't they?
> 
Not in standard English

> When did they vanished?
> 
The Merriam-Webster On-Line dictionary say that they are still used in 
some dialects. The Random House Dictionary says its used in the South 
Midland and Southern US non-standard dialects.

The 1913 Webster claims that they are Shakespearean. And the 1828 
Webster claims that they are antiquated. The King James Dictionary says 
they were used in the King James Version translation of the Bible (1611).

So I would sugest that it drifted out of sta dard use sometime between 
1611 and 1828. The regularisation of iregular verbs is a constant 
process in English. According to some studies 25% of verbs in Old 
English (Anglo-Saxon) were irregular whereas now only 3% are.

Regards, Einde O'Callaghan

12:34, giovedì 31 luglio 2008, Einde O'Callaghan:
> ADPUF wrote:
>> The "holp" and "holpen" forms aren't used anymore, aren't
>> they?
>> 
> Not in standard English
> 
>> When did they vanished?
>> 
> The Merriam-Webster On-Line dictionary say that they are still
> used in some dialects. The Random House Dictionary says its
> used in the South Midland and Southern US non-standard
> dialects.
> 
> The 1913 Webster claims that they are Shakespearean. And the
> 1828 Webster claims that they are antiquated. The King James
> Dictionary says they were used in the King James Version
> translation of the Bible (1611).
> 
> So I would sugest that it drifted out of sta dard use sometime
> between 1611 and 1828. The regularisation of iregular verbs is
> a constant process in English. According to some studies 25%
> of verbs in Old English (Anglo-Saxon) were irregular whereas
> now only 3% are.


In German they call them "starker Verben", "strong verbs".

I've read that there are 161 irregular verbs in English.


~~~
Fæder ûre, 
þû þe eart on heofonum, 
sî þîn nama gehâlgod. 
Tôbecume þîn rîce. 
Gewurþe ðîn willa on eorðan swâ swâ on heofonum. 
Ûrne gedæghwâmlîcan hlâf syle ûs tô dæg. 
And forgyf ûs ûre gyltas, swâ swâ wê forgyfað ûrum gyltendum. 
And ne gelæd þû ûs on costnunge, 
ac âlys ûs of yfele. 
Sôþlîce. 


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ADPUF wrote:
> 12:34, giovedì 31 luglio 2008, Einde O'Callaghan:
>> ADPUF wrote:
>>> The "holp" and "holpen" forms aren't used anymore, aren't
>>> they?
>>>
>> Not in standard English
>>
>>> When did they vanished?
>>>
>> The Merriam-Webster On-Line dictionary say that they are still
>> used in some dialects. The Random House Dictionary says its
>> used in the South Midland and Southern US non-standard
>> dialects.
>>
>> The 1913 Webster claims that they are Shakespearean. And the
>> 1828 Webster claims that they are antiquated. The King James
>> Dictionary says they were used in the King James Version
>> translation of the Bible (1611).
>>
>> So I would sugest that it drifted out of sta dard use sometime
>> between 1611 and 1828. The regularisation of iregular verbs is
>> a constant process in English. According to some studies 25%
>> of verbs in Old English (Anglo-Saxon) were irregular whereas
>> now only 3% are.
> 
> In German they call them "starker Verben", "strong verbs".
> 
> I've read that there are 161 irregular verbs in English.
> 
My estimate is about 200 - including verbs that have both regular and 
irregular forms - but I'd have to check that in one of my bilingual 
dictionaries with a list of irregular verbs.

Regards, Einde O'Callaghan