On Apr 16, 11:22 am, "Ildhund"  wrote:
> John Briggs wrote...
> > Ildhund wrote:
> >> Does anyone know the origin of this expression? Is it biblical or
> >> classical?
>
> > Classical.
>
> >> I have a notion that the Corinthian/Commoners dichotomy is analogous to> >> Gentlemen/Players, the Corinthians being successors to Dandies and
> >> similar high- (and loose-) living young gentlemen of means. Does it
> >> pre-date the formation of the Corinthians football club in 1882?
>
> > You have curious notions.  It relates to the ideal of amateur sport -
> > associated with Greece, for some reason, cf Olympic Games.
>
> Why so curious? Do you have any evidence for a particular link between
> Corinth (either in biblical or classical times) and the ideal of amateur
> sport of any other variety than /to corinthiazesthai/ (fornication)?
> --
> Noel

googling for Corinthian League gives the idea that it was an
association imposed upon the defeated Greeks by Phillip of Macedon as
a sort of United Nations against Persia, guaranteeing rights to the
subjugated nations in return for military assistance. With the Greeks
no longer fighting amongst each other, the olympic games could carry
on.

David

chorleydnc@hotmail.com wrote...
> Ildhund wrote:
>> John Briggs wrote...
>> > Ildhund wrote:
>> >> Does anyone know the origin of this expression? Is it biblical 
>> >> or classical?

>> > Classical.

>> >> I have a notion that the Corinthian/Commoners dichotomy is 
>> >> analogous to Gentlemen/Players, the Corinthians being 
>> >> successors to Dandies and similar high- (and loose-) living 
>> >> young gentlemen of means. Does it pre-date the formation of 
>> >> the Corinthians football club in 1882?

>> > You have curious notions. It relates to the ideal of amateur 
>> > sport - associated with Greece, for some reason, cf Olympic 
>> > Games.

>> Why so curious? Do you have any evidence for a particular link 
>> between Corinth (either in biblical or classical times) and the 
>> ideal of amateur sport of any other variety than /to 
>> corinthiazesthai/ (fornication)?

> googling for Corinthian League gives the idea that it was an 
> association imposed upon the defeated Greeks by Phillip of Macedon 
> as a sort of United Nations against Persia, guaranteeing rights to 
> the subjugated nations in return for military assistance. With the 
> Greeks no longer fighting amongst each other, the olympic games 
> could carry on.

Another red herring, I fear. The Corinthian League was, as I 
understand it, a purely political arrangement on a military basis, 
and any link to the Olympic Games can only have been incidental. 
Apart from that, the ideals of the athletes who took part in the 
ancient Olympic (and other, for example Corinth's own Isthmian) 
Games could hardly have been further from what most people seem to 
understand by Corinthian values these days: victory at all costs, or 
die in the attempt.
-- 
Noel