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date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 09:37:30 +0100,    group: uk.culture.language.english        back       
HEALTHY HORSES AND PONIES SLAUGHTERED FOR MEAT EXPORTS   
http://www.animalaid.org.uk/h/f/CAMPAIGNS/blog//4//?be_id=94

aa Watch video secretly filmed in an English abattoir... HEALTHY
HORSES AND PONIES BUTCHERED FOR MEAT EXPORTS
18 September 2007
Animal Aid today (Thursday, September 20) releases footage secretly
filmed in an English abattoir. It shows discarded children’s riding
ponies and unprofitable race horses being shot in the head with a
rifle and then butchered for human consumption.

It is the first time that such scenes have been filmed in Britain and
made public.

Covertly recorded last month at Potter’s abattoir in Taunton, the
Animal Aid footage shows the killing of a succession of apparently fit
and healthy horses. One conspicuous exception was a seriously injured
chestnut mare who was brought to the killing factory on the evening of
August 14. After a long delay, she was finally shot while lying in a
yard.

Animal Aid has called on the Meat Hygiene Service to investigate
whether the delay in putting her out of her misery was due to the time
it took Potter’s employees to re-start the slaughterline, on which she
could be promptly butchered after being shot. The law states that, for
meat to be deemed fit for human consumption, an animal must be bled
immediately after being shot or stunned. But there is also a statutory
obligation to despatch a seriously injured animal without delay.

Another horse looked as though she could have been pregnant. After she
had been shot, what sounded like a second rifle shot was heard from
behind the closed door of the butchering line. Animal Aid challenges
Potter’s management to declare whether or not this second ‘shot’ was
directed at an unborn foal.

Lawrence J Potter (South West) Ltd describes itself in the company’s
latest annual report as being engaged in the ‘elective euthanasia of
equines and export of horsemeat’. Stephen Potter, a director of the
company, was reported in The Observer (1 October, 2006) as saying that
his establishment killed ‘some 3,000 [horses] a year’. He added that
‘only 100 [horses] a year came from racing’. About 20 of the roughly
50 horses Animal Aid filmed over just two days and one evening were
Thoroughbreds.

Says Animal Aid Director Andrew Tyler:

‘The fundamental problem at the heart of the horse slaughter scandal
that we have uncovered is that these horses are bred to excess. They
are produced for commercial reasons, by both the Thoroughbred racing
industry and by those servicing the pet horse and pony market. When an
animal is no longer useful, he or she is often simply disposed of.
This is the fate of thousands of healthy horses and ponies every
year.’

Watch the 90 second film 
http://www.animalaid.org.uk/h/f/CAMPAIGNS/blog//4//?be_id=92
Watch the 9 minute film 
http://www.animalaid.org.uk/h/f/CAMPAIGNS/blog//4//?be_id=94
Read notes on the footage 
http://www.animalaid.org.uk/h/n/NEWS/pr_horse/ALL/1662//
Read the Daily Mail article 
http://tinyurl.com/yqg33g


NOTES TO EDITORS
Animal Aid filmed at Potter’s on August 14, 15 and 22. 
Still images ‘grabbed’ from the film are available on request. 
For the past eight years, Animal Aid has investigated the horse racing
industry, publishing a series of detailed reports exposing the
oppressive regime to which Thoroughbreds are subjected. Hundreds of
horses are raced to death every year and thousands of ‘surplus’
animals are slaughtered or otherwise destroyed. While Thoroughbred
bloodstock sales are an integral part of the multi-billion pound
racing industry, there is also a lucrative private sales market in
horses and ponies used for show jumping, dressage, cross-country,
hunting and hacking, as well as those employed by riding schools. No
matter what their background, there is always the likelihood that a
horse will meet his or her end in a slaughterhouse, with the meat sold
abroad for human consumption. 

Animal Aid campaigns peacefully against all animal abuse, and promotes
a cruelty-free lifestyle. You can support our work by joining, making
a donation, or using our online shop.
Contact Animal Aid at The Old Chapel, Bradford Street, Tonbridge,
Kent, TN9 1AW, UK, tel +44 (0)1732 364546, fax +44 (0)1732 366533,
email info@animalaid.org.uk.
date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 09:37:30 +0100   author:   Old Codger

Re: HEALTHY HORSES AND PONIES SLAUGHTERED FOR MEAT EXPORTS   
On 27 Sep, 09:37, Old Codger  wrote:
> http://www.animalaid.org.uk/h/f/CAMPAIGNS/blog//4//?be_id=94
>
[OT stuff snipped]

What about the healthy cows, sheep, pigs, chickens and turkeys
slaughtered for home consumption?
date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 02:50:07 -0700   author:   unknown

Re: HEALTHY HORSES AND PONIES SLAUGHTERED FOR MEAT EXPORTS   
On 2007-09-27, Old Codger  wrote:
> http://www.animalaid.org.uk/h/f/CAMPAIGNS/blog//4//?be_id=94
>
> aa Watch video secretly filmed in an English abattoir... HEALTHY
> HORSES AND PONIES BUTCHERED FOR MEAT EXPORTS

Yum. Any idea where I can get some horsemeat?

-- 
                 "Religion poisons everything."
            [email me at huge {at} huge (dot) org <dot> uk]
date: 27 Sep 2007 09:10:50 GMT   author:   Huge lid

Re: HEALTHY HORSES AND PONIES SLAUGHTERED FOR MEAT EXPORTS   
Old Codger wrote:

> aa Watch video secretly filmed in an English abattoir... HEALTHY
> HORSES AND PONIES BUTCHERED FOR MEAT EXPORTS

You wouldn't want to butcher sickly horses for human consumption, would you?

Why is eating horses any different to eating cows, pigs, chickens etc.?


-- 
Grunff
date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 11:38:59 +0100   author:   Grunff

Re: HEALTHY HORSES AND PONIES SLAUGHTERED FOR MEAT EXPORTS   
On Sep 27, 9:37 am, Old Codger  wrote:
> Animal Aid today (Thursday, September 20) releases footage secretly
> filmed in an English abattoir. It shows discarded children's riding
> ponies and unprofitable race horses being shot in the head with a
> rifle and then butchered for human consumption.

Anything that uses otherwise wasted resources and helps the balance of
trade.

It's better than burying them, or burning them.

MBQ
date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 03:59:25 -0700   author:   unknown

Re: HEALTHY HORSES AND PONIES SLAUGHTERED FOR MEAT EXPORTS   
On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 03:59:25 -0700, manatbandq@hotmail.com wrote:

> On Sep 27, 9:37 am, Old Codger  wrote:
>> Animal Aid today (Thursday, September 20) releases footage secretly
>> filmed in an English abattoir. It shows discarded children's riding
>> ponies and unprofitable race horses being shot in the head with a
>> rifle and then butchered for human consumption.
> 
> Anything that uses otherwise wasted resources and helps the balance of
> trade.
> 
> It's better than burying them, or burning them.
> 
> MBQ

We would be better off slaughtering younger healthy horses as their meat
will be tenderer. The French can have the old ones.
Same goes for people.
-- 
Jim S
        Tyneside UK
     www.jimscott.co.uk
date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 12:03:07 +0100   author:   Jim S

Re: HEALTHY HORSES AND PONIES SLAUGHTERED FOR MEAT EXPORTS   
On Sep 27, 11:59 am, "manatba...@hotmail.com" 
wrote:
> On Sep 27, 9:37 am, Old Codger  wrote:
>
> > Animal Aid today (Thursday, September 20) releases footage secretly
> > filmed in an English abattoir. It shows discarded children's riding
> > ponies and unprofitable race horses being shot in the head with a
> > rifle and then butchered for human consumption.


it's not clear whether the OP is complaining about the manner of
slaughter or the fact that they are slaughtered at all. The OP talks
about animals being shot with a rifle.

Why are these horses not stunned with a bolt pistol and killed in the
standard way for large animals?  I thought it was only wild animals
that could be killed without stunning (apart from exceptions for
people whose God requires the animal to be concious as it dies of
course).

Robert
date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 04:05:46 -0700   author:   RobertL

Re: HEALTHY HORSES AND PONIES SLAUGHTERED FOR MEAT EXPORTS   
On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 09:10:50 +0000, Huge wrote:

> On 2007-09-27, Old Codger  wrote:
>> http://www.animalaid.org.uk/h/f/CAMPAIGNS/blog//4//?be_id=94
>>
>> aa Watch video secretly filmed in an English abattoir... HEALTHY
>> HORSES AND PONIES BUTCHERED FOR MEAT EXPORTS
> 
> Yum. Any idea where I can get some horsemeat?

McDonalds. For loose defintions of 'meat', of course (steer clear of the
burgers that look like horse nostrils)
date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:18:48 +0100   author:   Jules

Re: HEALTHY HORSES AND PONIES SLAUGHTERED FOR MEAT EXPORTS   
well with a hunting ban in force who else is going to want a 5 year old 
racehorse of no particular merit.

Its probably where the food you feed your pet cats or dogs comes from 
anyway.
date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 15:33:45 +0100   author:   The Natural Philosopher a@b.c

Re: HEALTHY HORSES AND PONIES SLAUGHTERED FOR MEAT EXPORTS   
teddysnips@hotmail.com wrote:
> On 27 Sep, 09:37, Old Codger  wrote:
>> http://www.animalaid.org.uk/h/f/CAMPAIGNS/blog//4//?be_id=94
>>
> [OT stuff snipped]
> 
> What about the healthy cows, sheep, pigs, chickens and turkeys
> slaughtered for home consumption?
> 
Not to mention all the healthy vegetables and fungi and bacteria?
date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 15:34:26 +0100   author:   The Natural Philosopher a@b.c

Re: HEALTHY HORSES AND PONIES SLAUGHTERED FOR MEAT EXPORTS   
Jim S wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 03:59:25 -0700, manatbandq@hotmail.com wrote:
> 
>> On Sep 27, 9:37 am, Old Codger  wrote:
>>> Animal Aid today (Thursday, September 20) releases footage secretly
>>> filmed in an English abattoir. It shows discarded children's riding
>>> ponies and unprofitable race horses being shot in the head with a
>>> rifle and then butchered for human consumption.
>> Anything that uses otherwise wasted resources and helps the balance of
>> trade.
>>
>> It's better than burying them, or burning them.
>>
>> MBQ
> 
> We would be better off slaughtering younger healthy horses as their meat
> will be tenderer. The French can have the old ones.
> Same goes for people.

Do the French eat old people? Id have thought that would have needed a 
LOT of garlic.

And a very slow cook..

MM. maybe we know what they were eating while 'Madeleine' was 
'dissapearing' huh? ;-)
date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 15:36:00 +0100   author:   The Natural Philosopher a@b.c

Re: HEALTHY HORSES AND PONIES SLAUGHTERED FOR MEAT EXPORTS   
On 2007-09-27, Jules  wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 09:10:50 +0000, Huge wrote:
>
>> On 2007-09-27, Old Codger  wrote:
>>> http://www.animalaid.org.uk/h/f/CAMPAIGNS/blog//4//?be_id=94
>>>
>>> aa Watch video secretly filmed in an English abattoir... HEALTHY
>>> HORSES AND PONIES BUTCHERED FOR MEAT EXPORTS
>> 
>> Yum. Any idea where I can get some horsemeat?
>
> McDonalds. 

I doubt it. Horse is more expnsive than beef.



-- 
                 "Religion poisons everything."
            [email me at huge {at} huge (dot) org <dot> uk]
date: 27 Sep 2007 14:37:16 GMT   author:   Huge lid

Re: HEALTHY HORSES AND PONIES SLAUGHTERED FOR MEAT EXPORTS   
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> well with a hunting ban in force who else is going to want a 5 year old 
> racehorse of no particular merit.


There is no ban on hunting.
There is a ban on hunting foxes with dog packs, but that doesn't bother the 
horses much.

A race-horse of any age is little use for hunting.  It would probably break its 
legs at the first attempt.


> Its probably where the food you feed your pet cats or dogs comes from 
> anyway.


Only if you think coley and chicken are made out of horse, which seems a tad 
unlikely.


-- 
Blue Sow
date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 17:08:38 +0100   author:   Blue Sow

Re: HEALTHY HORSES AND PONIES SLAUGHTERED FOR MEAT EXPORTS   
Old Codger  wrote:

> Watch video secretly filmed in an English abattoir... HEALTHY
> HORSES AND PONIES BUTCHERED FOR MEAT EXPORTS

Would you want to eat meat from sick animals? I like horse and Bresaola
in particular is much better made with horse meat as indeed is steak
tartare. It's a very good quality meat although possibly a bit too low
in fat for some uses.

I take it from your email address that you're one of the "little
Englander" fuckwits.
date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 17:18:16 +0100   author:   %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth)

Re: HEALTHY HORSES AND PONIES SLAUGHTERED FOR MEAT EXPORTS   
> Why is eating horses any different to eating cows, pigs, chickens etc.?
>
>
> -- 
> Grunff

Dog's supposed to be tasty too, according to P J O'Rourke
date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 21:48:00 +0100   author:   Newshound

Re: HEALTHY HORSES AND PONIES SLAUGHTERED FOR MEAT EXPORTS   
>
> Do the French eat old people? Id have thought that would have needed a LOT 
> of garlic.
>
> And a very slow cook..

Like Jamie Oliver you mean?
date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 08:50:35 +0100   author:   wattie

Re: HEALTHY HORSES AND PONIES SLAUGHTERED FOR MEAT EXPORTS   
wattie wrote:
>> Do the French eat old people? Id have thought that would have needed a LOT 
>> of garlic.
>>
>> And a very slow cook..
> 
> Like Jamie Oliver you mean? 
> 
> 
I was thinking more along the lines of Clarissa Ballast Features.
date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 12:20:06 +0100   author:   The Natural Philosopher a@b.c

Re: HEALTHY HORSES AND PONIES SLAUGHTERED FOR MEAT EXPORTS   
"The Natural Philosopher" <a@b.c> wrote in message 
news:1191324013.96232.4@despina.uk.clara.net...
> wattie wrote:
>>> Do the French eat old people? Id have thought that would have needed a 
>>> LOT of garlic.
>>>


why would anybody want to eat an unhealthy horse or pony ?
date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 18:38:08 +0100   author:   Rick Hughes

Re: HEALTHY HORSES AND PONIES SLAUGHTERED FOR MEAT EXPORTS   
Rick Hughes  wrote:

> "The Natural Philosopher" <a@b.c> wrote in message 
> news:1191324013.96232.4@despina.uk.clara.net...
> > wattie wrote:
> >>> Do the French eat old people? Id have thought that would have needed a 
> >>> LOT of garlic.
> >>>


> why would anybody want to eat an unhealthy horse or pony ? 

I'm not sure how this subject is exactly on topic for any of the
newsgroups. But IIRC there's an EU directive about only using healthy
animals to produce meat for human consumption. To get things a little
back on track there's probably some websites which cover applicable
rules and regulations for meat production.

-- 
Mark Evans
St. Peter's CofE Aided School
Phone: +44 1392 204764 X109
Fax: +44 1392 204763
date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 09:24:36 +0100   author:   Mark Evans

Re: HEALTHY HORSES AND PONIES SLAUGHTERED FOR MEAT EXPORTS   
> > why would anybody want to eat an unhealthy horse or pony ? 
> 

Some days I could eat a scabby donkey with piles.

-- 
Skipweasel.
Never knowingly understood.
date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 10:53:08 GMT   author:   Skipweasel

Re: HEALTHY HORSES AND PONIES SLAUGHTERED FOR MEAT EXPORTS   
Skipweasel wrote:
>>> why would anybody want to eat an unhealthy horse or pony ? 
> 
> Some days I could eat a scabby donkey with piles.
> 
I ate a rabbit with myxmatosis. Very tasty.
date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 12:43:21 +0100   author:   The Natural Philosopher a@b.c

Re: HEALTHY HORSES AND PONIES SLAUGHTERED FOR MEAT EXPORTS   
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> Skipweasel wrote:
>>>> why would anybody want to eat an unhealthy horse or pony ? 
>>
>> Some days I could eat a scabby donkey with piles.
>>
> I ate a rabbit with myxmatosis. Very tasty.


As it would be.  The fact that you had myxomatosis at the time would not affect 
the flavour of your food.  It might change your perception of it of course.


-- 
Blue Sow
date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 14:04:57 +0100   author:   Blue Sow

Re: HEALTHY HORSES AND PONIES SLAUGHTERED FOR MEAT EXPORTS   
Blue Sow wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> I ate a rabbit with myxmatosis. Very tasty.
> 
> As it would be.  The fact that you had myxomatosis at the time would not 
> affect the flavour of your food.  It might change your perception of it 
> of course.
> 

I wonder what the matosis was myxed with?
date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 15:40:06 +0100   author:   sprocket

Re: HEALTHY HORSES AND PONIES SLAUGHTERED FOR MEAT EXPORTS   
In message , The Natural 
Philosopher <a@b.c> writes
>Skipweasel wrote:
>>>> why would anybody want to eat an unhealthy horse or pony ?
>>  Some days I could eat a scabby donkey with piles.
>>
>I ate a rabbit with myxmatosis. Very tasty.

Were your eyes larger than your stomach ?

-- 
geoff
date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 19:42:50 GMT   author:   geoff

Re: HEALTHY HORSES AND PONIES SLAUGHTERED FOR MEAT EXPORTS   
"Skipweasel"  wrote in message 
news:MPG.21756ddf5f783b789896bf@news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>
>> > why would anybody want to eat an unhealthy horse or pony ?
>>
>
> Some days I could eat a scabby donkey with piles.


piles of what ?
date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 00:00:21 +0100   author:   Rick Hughes

Re: HEALTHY HORSES AND PONIES SLAUGHTERED FOR MEAT EXPORTS   
On 2007-10-10, Rick Hughes  wrote:
>
> "Skipweasel"  wrote in message 
> news:MPG.21756ddf5f783b789896bf@news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>>
>>> > why would anybody want to eat an unhealthy horse or pony ?
>>>
>>
>> Some days I could eat a scabby donkey with piles.
>
>
> piles of what ? 
>

Chips.


-- 
                 "Religion poisons everything."
            [email me at huge {at} huge (dot) org <dot> uk]
date: 11 Oct 2007 07:54:10 GMT   author:   Huge lid

Re: HEALTHY HORSES AND PONIES SLAUGHTERED FOR MEAT EXPORTS   
geoff wrote:
> In message , The Natural 
> Philosopher <a@b.c> writes
>> Skipweasel wrote:
>>>>> why would anybody want to eat an unhealthy horse or pony ?
>>>  Some days I could eat a scabby donkey with piles.
>>>
>> I ate a rabbit with myxmatosis. Very tasty.
> 
> Were your eyes larger than your stomach ?
> 
No, the dog caught it and killed it and so I skinned it, and checked up 
the transimissability, and then we made a game terrine out of it. Really 
good.

The terrier got the legs. Can't be arsed with rabbit legs.
date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 04:03:47 +0100   author:   The Natural Philosopher a@b.c

Re: HEALTHY HORSES AND PONIES SLAUGHTERED FOR MEAT EXPORTS   
In article , 
rick_hughes@btconnect.com says...
> > Some days I could eat a scabby donkey with piles.
> 
> 
> piles of what ? 
> 
What's on offer?
-- 
Skipweasel.
Never knowingly understood.
date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 11:10:46 GMT   author:   Skipweasel

Re: HEALTHY HORSES AND PONIES SLAUGHTERED FOR MEAT EXPORTS   
Rick Hughes wrote:
> 
> "Skipweasel"  wrote in message 
> news:MPG.21756ddf5f783b789896bf@news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>>
>>> > why would anybody want to eat an unhealthy horse or pony ?
>>>
>>
>> Some days I could eat a scabby donkey with piles.
> 
> 
> piles of what ?
fries
date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 01:34:02 +0100   author:   The Natural Philosopher a@b.c

Re: HEALTHY HORSES AND PONIES SLAUGHTERED FOR MEAT EXPORTS   
In message , The Natural 
Philosopher <a@b.c> writes
>geoff wrote:
>> In message , The Natural 
>>Philosopher <a@b.c> writes
>>> Skipweasel wrote:
>>>>>> why would anybody want to eat an unhealthy horse or pony ?
>>>>  Some days I could eat a scabby donkey with piles.
>>>>
>>> I ate a rabbit with myxmatosis. Very tasty.
>>  Were your eyes larger than your stomach ?
>>
>No, the dog caught it and killed it and so I skinned it, and checked up 
>the transimissability, and then we made a game terrine out of it. 
>Really good.
>
(err, myxomatosis - bulging eyes, etc ...)

-- 
geoff
date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 18:19:46 GMT   author:   geoff

Re: HEALTHY HORSES AND PONIES SLAUGHTERED FOR MEAT EXPORTS   
On 2007-09-27 15:37:16 +0100, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> said:

> On 2007-09-27, Jules  wrote:
>> On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 09:10:50 +0000, Huge wrote:
>> 
>>> On 2007-09-27, Old Codger  wrote:
>>>> http://www.animalaid.org.uk/h/f/CAMPAIGNS/blog//4//?be_id=94
>>>> 
>>>> aa Watch video secretly filmed in an English abattoir... HEALTHY
>>>> HORSES AND PONIES BUTCHERED FOR MEAT EXPORTS
>>> 
>>> Yum. Any idea where I can get some horsemeat?
>> 
>> McDonalds.
> 
> I doubt it. Horse is more expnsive than beef.

... and actually rather good....
date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 21:05:52 +0100   author:   Andy Hall am

Re: HEALTHY HORSES AND PONIES SLAUGHTERED FOR MEAT EXPORTS   
geoff wrote:
> In message , The Natural 
> Philosopher <a@b.c> writes
>> geoff wrote:
>>> In message , The Natural 
>>> Philosopher <a@b.c> writes
>>>> Skipweasel wrote:
>>>>>>> why would anybody want to eat an unhealthy horse or pony ?
>>>>>  Some days I could eat a scabby donkey with piles.
>>>>>
>>>> I ate a rabbit with myxmatosis. Very tasty.
>>>  Were your eyes larger than your stomach ?
>>>
>> No, the dog caught it and killed it and so I skinned it, and checked 
>> up the transimissability, and then we made a game terrine out of it. 
>> Really good.
>>
> (err, myxomatosis - bulging eyes, etc ...)
> 
No eyes usually.
date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 23:30:24 +0100   author:   The Natural Philosopher a@b.c

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