What Atheists Can't Answer
By Michael Gerson Friday, July 13, 2007;
Page A17 Washington Post

   " Human nature, in other circumstances, is also
   clearly constructed for cruel exploitation,
   uncontrollable rage, icy selfishness and a range of
   other less desirable traits.

   So the dilemma is this: How do we choose between
   good and bad instincts? Theism, for several
   millennia, has given one answer: We should
   cultivate the better angels of our nature because
   the God we love and respect requires it. While many
   of us fall tragically short, the ideal remains.

   Atheism provides no answer to this dilemma. It
   cannot reply: "Obey your evolutionary instincts"
   because those instincts are conflicted. "Respect
   your brain chemistry" or "follow your mental
   wiring" don't seem very compelling either. It would
   be perfectly rational for someone to respond: "To
   hell with my wiring and your socialization, I'm
   going to do whatever I please."  "

Consider, Mr. Gerson:

If it were the case that religion is our instructor,
then there would be no prisons. There are, and
consider, further, that the most religious (at least
professing to be) group in this country is the two
million criminals in our prisons. 'Nouf said.

But if you still think that morality/ethics is in any
way/shape/form associated with religious belief, then
but think about the depravity of priests and preachers
--who have been caught. Shouldn't that, at least, be
enough to remove any convictions you might have had
about religious instruction "bettering" our "naturally
evil nature."

Further: People who think they should be good BECAUSE
their God requires it are only setting themselves up
for the most evil preacher's definition of The Good.
Time and time again we have seen preachers "inform"
their congregations that God wants them to fight this
or that war (Confederate preachers urged their
congregations to kill as many Yankees as possible), or
to butcher and plunder this or that people (in the
best of Islamic traditions, Turkish preachers told
their congregations that murdering Armenians for their
possessions (and raping their women and children
before slaughtering them) was what God expected of
them... and because acknowledging this monstrous truth
about Islam before the whole world is so impossible,
the Turks to this day refuse to acknowledge that the
Armenian/Muslim genocide even ever took place).

But I don't have to prove to any parent that we are
ALL born with unfettered instincts--to be "bettered"
by the (sometimes even the most casual & offhand)
instructions of our parents and societies: Every child
KNOWS the difference between good and evil (deeds) by
the time he/she is four or five. And if they don't,
then that is a certain sign that such children live in
a warped and perverted society or family.

The four-year-old who does "evil" may not yet know how
to "get away with it," but he certainly knows he had
better not get caught doing it.

Therefore, if there be man or woman on this earth who
still does not know the difference between Good and
Evil... let them inquire of any (as-yet religiously-
uninstructed) four-year-old: for he will surely know,
and tell them.

S D Rodrian
http://poems.sdrodrian.com
http://physics.sdrodrian.com
http://mp3s.sdrodrian.com

All religions are local.
Only science is universal.

In News 1184463200.693358.151820@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com,, sdr at 
sdrodrian@sdrodrian.com, typed this:

> What Atheists Can't Answer
> By Michael Gerson Friday, July 13, 2007;
> Page A17 Washington Post
>
>   " Human nature, in other circumstances, is also
>   clearly constructed for cruel exploitation,
>   uncontrollable rage, icy selfishness and a range of
>   other less desirable traits.
>
>   So the dilemma is this: How do we choose between
>   good and bad instincts? Theism,

Only children chose between good and bad out of fear of a boogeyman, or all 
powerful, nonexistent sky pixie.  True human adults chose what is right 
because they know it is right.   Child like theists will never understand 
that explanation.

"Andrealphus"  wrote in message 
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> In News 1184463200.693358.151820@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com,, sdr at 
> sdrodrian@sdrodrian.com, typed this:
>
>> What Atheists Can't Answer
>> By Michael Gerson Friday, July 13, 2007;
>> Page A17 Washington Post
>>
>>   " Human nature, in other circumstances, is also
>>   clearly constructed for cruel exploitation,
>>   uncontrollable rage, icy selfishness and a range of
>>   other less desirable traits.
>>
>>   So the dilemma is this: How do we choose between
>>   good and bad instincts? Theism,
>
> Only children chose between good and bad out of fear of a boogeyman, or 
> all powerful, nonexistent sky pixie.  True human adults chose what is 
> right because they know it is right.   Child like theists will never 
> understand that explanation.

Interesting.  How do YOU choose what is right?  Education?  Instinct?  Are 
you superior to all people that have a different belief system?

In News Tlfmi.27841$C96.17756@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net,, Tom Gardner at 
tom(nospam)@ohiobrush.com, typed this:

> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
> news:uWemi.7563$tj6.1262@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>> In News 1184463200.693358.151820@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com,, sdr
>> at sdrodrian@sdrodrian.com, typed this:
>>
>>> What Atheists Can't Answer
>>> By Michael Gerson Friday, July 13, 2007;
>>> Page A17 Washington Post
>>>
>>>   " Human nature, in other circumstances, is also
>>>   clearly constructed for cruel exploitation,
>>>   uncontrollable rage, icy selfishness and a range of
>>>   other less desirable traits.
>>>
>>>   So the dilemma is this: How do we choose between
>>>   good and bad instincts? Theism,
>>
>> Only children chose between good and bad out of fear of a boogeyman,
>> or all powerful, nonexistent sky pixie.  True human adults chose
>> what is right because they know it is right.   Child like theists
>> will never understand that explanation.
>
> Interesting.  How do YOU choose what is right?

By knowing what is right.   It's not a very hard concept.

>  Education?  Instinct?
> Are you superior to all people that have a different belief system?

I'm not a child, caught in a fear based religion, if that's what you mean.

On Jul 14, 9:40 pm, "Andrealphus"  wrote:
> In News 1184463200.693358.151...@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com,, sdr at
> sdrodr...@sdrodrian.com, typed this:
>
> > What Atheists Can't Answer
> > By Michael Gerson Friday, July 13, 2007;
> > Page A17 Washington Post
>
> >   " Human nature, in other circumstances, is also
> >   clearly constructed for cruel exploitation,
> >   uncontrollable rage, icy selfishness and a range of
> >   other less desirable traits.
>
> >   So the dilemma is this: How do we choose between
> >   good and bad instincts? Theism,
>
> Only children chose between good and bad out of fear of a boogeyman, or all
> powerful, nonexistent sky pixie.  True human adults chose what is right
> because they know it is right.   Child like theists will never understand
> that explanation.

And where does the basics come from?  Is there a foundation, or will
you ignore this like all dopey Darwin athiests?

On Jul 14, 10:16 pm, "Andrealphus"  wrote:
> In News Tlfmi.27841$C96.17...@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net,, Tom Gardner at
> tom(nospam)@ohiobrush.com, typed this:
>
>
>
> > "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
> >news:uWemi.7563$tj6.1262@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> >> In News 1184463200.693358.151...@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com,, sdr
> >> at sdrodr...@sdrodrian.com, typed this:
>
> >>> What Atheists Can't Answer
> >>> By Michael Gerson Friday, July 13, 2007;
> >>> Page A17 Washington Post
>
> >>>   " Human nature, in other circumstances, is also
> >>>   clearly constructed for cruel exploitation,
> >>>   uncontrollable rage, icy selfishness and a range of
> >>>   other less desirable traits.
>
> >>>   So the dilemma is this: How do we choose between
> >>>   good and bad instincts? Theism,
>
> >> Only children chose between good and bad out of fear of a boogeyman,
> >> or all powerful, nonexistent sky pixie.  True human adults chose
> >> what is right because they know it is right.   Child like theists
> >> will never understand that explanation.
>
> > Interesting.  How do YOU choose what is right?
>
> By knowing what is right.   It's not a very hard concept.
>
> >  Education?  Instinct?
> > Are you superior to all people that have a different belief system?
>
> I'm not a child, caught in a fear based religion, if that's what you mean.

Maybe you should try and explain the murderous behavior of Islamists,
and the severe hatred of Jews over all other "infidels", and why they
use suicide bombs.  They believe in "something" evil, and nothingness
isn't any better......

Study your books.  You book people are sooooo smart, just like the
book people in the global warming field.  Soooo pinched in the books
to see the reality.

Pitiful college education gets yer head stuck in a folder mentality.

In News 1184469277.374463.112020@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com,, Truth-monger 
at truthmonger9@gmail.com, typed this:

> On Jul 14, 9:40 pm, "Andrealphus"  wrote:
>> In News 1184463200.693358.151...@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com,, sdr
>> at sdrodr...@sdrodrian.com, typed this:
>>
>>> What Atheists Can't Answer
>>> By Michael Gerson Friday, July 13, 2007;
>>> Page A17 Washington Post
>>
>>>   " Human nature, in other circumstances, is also
>>>   clearly constructed for cruel exploitation,
>>>   uncontrollable rage, icy selfishness and a range of
>>>   other less desirable traits.
>>
>>>   So the dilemma is this: How do we choose between
>>>   good and bad instincts? Theism,
>>
>> Only children chose between good and bad out of fear of a boogeyman,
>> or all powerful, nonexistent sky pixie.  True human adults chose
>> what is right because they know it is right.   Child like theists
>> will never understand that explanation.
>
> And where does the basics come from?

Do you need "basics" to know that it is wrong to murder someone?   I suppose 
that if it was somehow, as unlikely as it is, proven t00% that God does not 
exist, all Christians will go on a murdering rampage?  I mean, again, right?

>  Is there a foundation,

Common sense and empathy, which are both sorely lacking in Theists.

In News 1184469539.401467.192030@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com,, Truth-monger 
at truthmonger9@gmail.com, typed this:

> On Jul 14, 10:16 pm, "Andrealphus"  wrote:
>> In News Tlfmi.27841$C96.17...@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net,, Tom
>> Gardner at tom(nospam)@ohiobrush.com, typed this:
>>
>>
>>
>>> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
>>> news:uWemi.7563$tj6.1262@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>>> In News 1184463200.693358.151...@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com,, sdr
>>>> at sdrodr...@sdrodrian.com, typed this:
>>
>>>>> What Atheists Can't Answer
>>>>> By Michael Gerson Friday, July 13, 2007;
>>>>> Page A17 Washington Post
>>
>>>>>   " Human nature, in other circumstances, is also
>>>>>   clearly constructed for cruel exploitation,
>>>>>   uncontrollable rage, icy selfishness and a range of
>>>>>   other less desirable traits.
>>
>>>>>   So the dilemma is this: How do we choose between
>>>>>   good and bad instincts? Theism,
>>
>>>> Only children chose between good and bad out of fear of a
>>>> boogeyman, or all powerful, nonexistent sky pixie.  True human
>>>> adults chose what is right because they know it is right.   Child
>>>> like theists will never understand that explanation.
>>
>>> Interesting.  How do YOU choose what is right?
>>
>> By knowing what is right.   It's not a very hard concept.
>>
>>>  Education?  Instinct?
>>> Are you superior to all people that have a different belief system?
>>
>> I'm not a child, caught in a fear based religion, if that's what you
>> mean.
>
> Maybe you should try and explain the murderous behavior of Islamists,

Theists are well known to have murderous behaviors.  The various Christian 
sects spent their first 1,500 years or so murdering and forcing people to 
convert all over Europe, Later the Americas, and Austrialia.  Fortunately, 
most Western Governments have extricated them from state power, at least for 
now.   Otherwise, they'd still be up to their old tricks.


> and the severe hatred of Jews over all other "infidels", and why they
> use suicide bombs.  They believe in "something" evil, and nothingness
> isn't any better......

They're Theists.  Theist have long used their make believe Gods to justify 
all manner of horror.  It's certainly nothing new.

>
> Study your books.

I have. I've also studied your one book.


> You book people are sooooo smart, just like the
> book people in the global warming field.  Soooo pinched in the books
> to see the reality.

And the reality is?  Well, now we're back to not needing a celestial 
sky-pixie to teach me right from wrong.  Why don't you explain to all the 
world why you have such a need?

>
> Pitiful college education gets yer head stuck in a folder mentality.

Professed ignorance gets your head stuck in your own ass.

In article <Tlfmi.27841$C96.17756@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net>,
 "Tom Gardner" <tom(nospam)@ohiobrush.com> wrote:

> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message 
> news:uWemi.7563$tj6.1262@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> > In News 1184463200.693358.151820@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com,, sdr at 
> > sdrodrian@sdrodrian.com, typed this:
> >
> >> What Atheists Can't Answer
> >> By Michael Gerson Friday, July 13, 2007;
> >> Page A17 Washington Post
> >>
> >>   " Human nature, in other circumstances, is also
> >>   clearly constructed for cruel exploitation,
> >>   uncontrollable rage, icy selfishness and a range of
> >>   other less desirable traits.
> >>
> >>   So the dilemma is this: How do we choose between
> >>   good and bad instincts? Theism,
> >
> > Only children chose between good and bad out of fear of a boogeyman, or 
> > all powerful, nonexistent sky pixie.  True human adults chose what is 
> > right because they know it is right.   Child like theists will never 
> > understand that explanation.
> 
> Interesting.  How do YOU choose what is right?  Education?  Instinct?  Are 
> you superior to all people that have a different belief system? 

Both instinct and education play their parts in determining all kinds of 
human behavior.

"Andrealphus"  wrote in message 
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> In News 1184469277.374463.112020@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com,, 
> Truth-monger at truthmonger9@gmail.com, typed this:
>
>> On Jul 14, 9:40 pm, "Andrealphus"  wrote:
>>> In News 1184463200.693358.151...@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com,, sdr
>>> at sdrodr...@sdrodrian.com, typed this:
>>>
>>>> What Atheists Can't Answer
>>>> By Michael Gerson Friday, July 13, 2007;
>>>> Page A17 Washington Post
>>>
>>>>   " Human nature, in other circumstances, is also
>>>>   clearly constructed for cruel exploitation,
>>>>   uncontrollable rage, icy selfishness and a range of
>>>>   other less desirable traits.
>>>
>>>>   So the dilemma is this: How do we choose between
>>>>   good and bad instincts? Theism,
>>>
>>> Only children chose between good and bad out of fear of a boogeyman,
>>> or all powerful, nonexistent sky pixie.  True human adults chose
>>> what is right because they know it is right.   Child like theists
>>> will never understand that explanation.
>>
>> And where does the basics come from?
>
> Do you need "basics" to know that it is wrong to murder someone?   I 
> suppose that if it was somehow, as unlikely as it is, proven t00% that God 
> does not exist, all Christians will go on a murdering rampage?  I mean, 
> again, right?
>
>>  Is there a foundation,
>
> Common sense and empathy, which are both sorely lacking in Theists.
>
>

Theists don't want to acjnowledge it, but all secies have a basic sense of 
"morals" built into their genes.

Look at the coopperation emperor penguins employ to raise thir young. Do 
they have a theology telling them to share body heat?

This sense of cooperation can be highly developed, as in the higher apes, or 
little more than maternal instinct, as in crocodiles. But it is indisputably 
there.

Larry

>

In News f7cftc$ial$1@news04.infoave.net,, Larry Hewitt at 
larryhewi@comporium.net, typed this:

> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
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>> In News 1184469277.374463.112020@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com,,
>> Truth-monger at truthmonger9@gmail.com, typed this:
>>
>>> On Jul 14, 9:40 pm, "Andrealphus"  wrote:
>>>> In News 1184463200.693358.151...@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com,, sdr
>>>> at sdrodr...@sdrodrian.com, typed this:
>>>>
>>>>> What Atheists Can't Answer
>>>>> By Michael Gerson Friday, July 13, 2007;
>>>>> Page A17 Washington Post
>>>>
>>>>>   " Human nature, in other circumstances, is also
>>>>>   clearly constructed for cruel exploitation,
>>>>>   uncontrollable rage, icy selfishness and a range of
>>>>>   other less desirable traits.
>>>>
>>>>>   So the dilemma is this: How do we choose between
>>>>>   good and bad instincts? Theism,
>>>>
>>>> Only children chose between good and bad out of fear of a
>>>> boogeyman, or all powerful, nonexistent sky pixie.  True human
>>>> adults chose what is right because they know it is right.   Child
>>>> like theists will never understand that explanation.
>>>
>>> And where does the basics come from?
>>
>> Do you need "basics" to know that it is wrong to murder someone?   I
>> suppose that if it was somehow, as unlikely as it is, proven t00%
>> that God does not exist, all Christians will go on a murdering
>> rampage?  I mean, again, right?
>>
>>>  Is there a foundation,
>>
>> Common sense and empathy, which are both sorely lacking in Theists.
>>
>>
>
> Theists don't want to acjnowledge it, but all secies have a basic
> sense of "morals" built into their genes.
>
> Look at the coopperation emperor penguins employ to raise thir young.
> Do they have a theology telling them to share body heat?
>
> This sense of cooperation can be highly developed, as in the higher
> apes, or little more than maternal instinct, as in crocodiles. But it
> is indisputably there.
>
> Larry

I agree.

"sdr"  wrote in message 
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> What Atheists Can't Answer
> By Michael Gerson Friday, July 13, 2007;
> Page A17 Washington Post
>
>   " Human nature, in other circumstances, is also
>   clearly constructed for cruel exploitation,
>   uncontrollable rage, icy selfishness and a range of
>   other less desirable traits.
>
>   So the dilemma is this: How do we choose between
>   good and bad instincts?

A good instinct of mine is not to put my hand on a hot stove or step in 
front of a moving train.  Yet for the life of me I don't remember Jesus ever 
telling me not to.  Of course if I had not LEARNED that instinct I would 
either have a fried hand or not be writing this right now.

Man-made religion had nothing to do with it.

"Andrealphus"  wrote in message 
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> In News 1184469539.401467.192030@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com,, 
> Truth-monger at truthmonger9@gmail.com, typed this:
>
>> On Jul 14, 10:16 pm, "Andrealphus"  wrote:
>>> In News Tlfmi.27841$C96.17...@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net,, Tom
>>> Gardner at tom(nospam)@ohiobrush.com, typed this:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
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>>>>> In News 1184463200.693358.151...@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com,, sdr
>>>>> at sdrodr...@sdrodrian.com, typed this:
>>>
>>>>>> What Atheists Can't Answer
>>>>>> By Michael Gerson Friday, July 13, 2007;
>>>>>> Page A17 Washington Post
>>>
>>>>>>   " Human nature, in other circumstances, is also
>>>>>>   clearly constructed for cruel exploitation,
>>>>>>   uncontrollable rage, icy selfishness and a range of
>>>>>>   other less desirable traits.
>>>
>>>>>>   So the dilemma is this: How do we choose between
>>>>>>   good and bad instincts? Theism,
>>>
>>>>> Only children chose between good and bad out of fear of a
>>>>> boogeyman, or all powerful, nonexistent sky pixie.  True human
>>>>> adults chose what is right because they know it is right.   Child
>>>>> like theists will never understand that explanation.
>>>
>>>> Interesting.  How do YOU choose what is right?
>>>
>>> By knowing what is right.   It's not a very hard concept.
>>>
>>>>  Education?  Instinct?
>>>> Are you superior to all people that have a different belief system?
>>>
>>> I'm not a child, caught in a fear based religion, if that's what you
>>> mean.
>>
>> Maybe you should try and explain the murderous behavior of Islamists,
>
> Theists are well known to have murderous behaviors.

I have found that  "generally" the more religious a person is the prone to 
hate.

If God sees evil and injustice but cannot do anything about it, he/she is 
not omipotent.

If God sees evil and injustice but choses not do to anything about it, 
he/she is manevolent.

If god does not see evil and injustice he/she is not omiscient.

In News 2Bsmi.7907$Od7.5422@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net,, grinder at 
seagle@earthlink.invalid, typed this:

> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
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>> In News 1184469539.401467.192030@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com,,
>> Truth-monger at truthmonger9@gmail.com, typed this:
>>
>>> On Jul 14, 10:16 pm, "Andrealphus"  wrote:
>>>> In News Tlfmi.27841$C96.17...@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net,, Tom
>>>> Gardner at tom(nospam)@ohiobrush.com, typed this:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:uWemi.7563$tj6.1262@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>>>>> In News 1184463200.693358.151...@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com,,
>>>>>> sdr at sdrodr...@sdrodrian.com, typed this:
>>>>
>>>>>>> What Atheists Can't Answer
>>>>>>> By Michael Gerson Friday, July 13, 2007;
>>>>>>> Page A17 Washington Post
>>>>
>>>>>>>   " Human nature, in other circumstances, is also
>>>>>>>   clearly constructed for cruel exploitation,
>>>>>>>   uncontrollable rage, icy selfishness and a range of
>>>>>>>   other less desirable traits.
>>>>
>>>>>>>   So the dilemma is this: How do we choose between
>>>>>>>   good and bad instincts? Theism,
>>>>
>>>>>> Only children chose between good and bad out of fear of a
>>>>>> boogeyman, or all powerful, nonexistent sky pixie.  True human
>>>>>> adults chose what is right because they know it is right.   Child
>>>>>> like theists will never understand that explanation.
>>>>
>>>>> Interesting.  How do YOU choose what is right?
>>>>
>>>> By knowing what is right.   It's not a very hard concept.
>>>>
>>>>>  Education?  Instinct?
>>>>> Are you superior to all people that have a different belief
>>>>> system?
>>>>
>>>> I'm not a child, caught in a fear based religion, if that's what
>>>> you mean.
>>>
>>> Maybe you should try and explain the murderous behavior of
>>> Islamists,
>>
>> Theists are well known to have murderous behaviors.
>
> I have found that  "generally" the more religious a person is the
> prone to hate.

Agreed, that has also been my observation.

On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:13:34 GMT, "grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid>
wrote:


>I have found that  "generally" the more religious a person is the prone to 
>hate. 
>

Then quit finding these people. There is the vast majority of persons
who live by religious principles who don't hate.

DCI

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> In News 2Bsmi.7907$Od7.5422@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net,, grinder at 
> seagle@earthlink.invalid, typed this:
>
>> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
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>>> In News 1184469539.401467.192030@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com,,
>>> Truth-monger at truthmonger9@gmail.com, typed this:
>>>
>>>> On Jul 14, 10:16 pm, "Andrealphus"  wrote:
>>>>> In News Tlfmi.27841$C96.17...@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net,, Tom
>>>>> Gardner at tom(nospam)@ohiobrush.com, typed this:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
>>>>>> news:uWemi.7563$tj6.1262@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>>>>>> In News 1184463200.693358.151...@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com,,
>>>>>>> sdr at sdrodr...@sdrodrian.com, typed this:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What Atheists Can't Answer
>>>>>>>> By Michael Gerson Friday, July 13, 2007;
>>>>>>>> Page A17 Washington Post
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   " Human nature, in other circumstances, is also
>>>>>>>>   clearly constructed for cruel exploitation,
>>>>>>>>   uncontrollable rage, icy selfishness and a range of
>>>>>>>>   other less desirable traits.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   So the dilemma is this: How do we choose between
>>>>>>>>   good and bad instincts? Theism,
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Only children chose between good and bad out of fear of a
>>>>>>> boogeyman, or all powerful, nonexistent sky pixie.  True human
>>>>>>> adults chose what is right because they know it is right.   Child
>>>>>>> like theists will never understand that explanation.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Interesting.  How do YOU choose what is right?
>>>>>
>>>>> By knowing what is right.   It's not a very hard concept.
>>>>>
>>>>>>  Education?  Instinct?
>>>>>> Are you superior to all people that have a different belief
>>>>>> system?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not a child, caught in a fear based religion, if that's what
>>>>> you mean.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe you should try and explain the murderous behavior of
>>>> Islamists,
>>>
>>> Theists are well known to have murderous behaviors.
>>
>> I have found that  "generally" the more religious a person is the
>> prone to hate.
>
> Agreed, that has also been my observation.
>

What I have observed 'is'...the more Liberals try to deny  Truth, Justice 
and accountability the more they justify acts of Evil which leads to mental 
instability. The more unstable, the more need for restraint by laws and 
Psychotropic drugs.

Psychotropic drugs are the result of quack doctors trying to suppress 
Humanitarian conscience and guilt from moral depravity like Homosexuality
-- 
CB
http://www.biblegateway.com/resources/commentaries/?action=getCommentaryText&cid=37&source=2&seq=i.24.13.24
Spare the rod, spoil the child
(listen to the end 2:26).

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never@million, typed this:

> On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:13:34 GMT, "grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>
>> I have found that  "generally" the more religious a person is the
>> prone to hate.
>>
>
> Then quit finding these people. There is the vast majority of persons
> who live by religious principles who don't hate.
>
> DCI

So tell us, why do the 'vast majority" of those you say live by religious 
principles that don't hate, support the people that live by religious 
principles that do hate?

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typed this:

> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
> news:6ftmi.7919$Od7.7562@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>> In News 2Bsmi.7907$Od7.5422@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net,,
>> grinder at seagle@earthlink.invalid, typed this:
>>
>>> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
>>> news:4tgmi.7593$tj6.6665@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>>> In News 1184469539.401467.192030@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com,,
>>>> Truth-monger at truthmonger9@gmail.com, typed this:
>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 14, 10:16 pm, "Andrealphus" 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> In News Tlfmi.27841$C96.17...@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net,, Tom
>>>>>> Gardner at tom(nospam)@ohiobrush.com, typed this:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:uWemi.7563$tj6.1262@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>>>>>>> In News 1184463200.693358.151...@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com,,
>>>>>>>> sdr at sdrodr...@sdrodrian.com, typed this:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What Atheists Can't Answer
>>>>>>>>> By Michael Gerson Friday, July 13, 2007;
>>>>>>>>> Page A17 Washington Post
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   " Human nature, in other circumstances, is also
>>>>>>>>>   clearly constructed for cruel exploitation,
>>>>>>>>>   uncontrollable rage, icy selfishness and a range of
>>>>>>>>>   other less desirable traits.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   So the dilemma is this: How do we choose between
>>>>>>>>>   good and bad instincts? Theism,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Only children chose between good and bad out of fear of a
>>>>>>>> boogeyman, or all powerful, nonexistent sky pixie.  True human
>>>>>>>> adults chose what is right because they know it is right.  Child 
>>>>>>>> like theists will never understand that explanation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Interesting.  How do YOU choose what is right?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> By knowing what is right.   It's not a very hard concept.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Education?  Instinct?
>>>>>>> Are you superior to all people that have a different belief
>>>>>>> system?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not a child, caught in a fear based religion, if that's what
>>>>>> you mean.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe you should try and explain the murderous behavior of
>>>>> Islamists,
>>>>
>>>> Theists are well known to have murderous behaviors.
>>>
>>> I have found that  "generally" the more religious a person is the
>>> prone to hate.
>>
>> Agreed, that has also been my observation.
>>
>
> What I have observed 'is'...the more Liberals try to deny  Truth,
> Justice and accountability

LOL!  A conservative that spouts lines like this has no credibility. 
Truth?  Justice?  Accountability?   These terms have been foriegn to the 
current lot and brand of religious conservative for a long time now.    What 
you really want to say is that the Liberals should be held to these 
standards, but not the Conservatives.

"grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message 
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>
> "sdr"  wrote in message 
> news:1184463200.693358.151820@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>> What Atheists Can't Answer
>> By Michael Gerson Friday, July 13, 2007;
>> Page A17 Washington Post
>>
>>   " Human nature, in other circumstances, is also
>>   clearly constructed for cruel exploitation,
>>   uncontrollable rage, icy selfishness and a range of
>>   other less desirable traits.
>>
>>   So the dilemma is this: How do we choose between
>>   good and bad instincts?
>
> A good instinct of mine is not to put my hand on a hot stove or step in 
> front of a moving train.  Yet for the life of me I don't remember Jesus 
> ever telling me not to.  Of course if I had not LEARNED that instinct I 
> would either have a fried hand or not be writing this right now.
>
> Man-made religion had nothing to do with it.

How do homosexual men justify a lifestyle that reeks of feces?

Common sence would tell ya its nasty butt it doesn't stop them.

Does lust blind the morally weak to the point of indangering their health?

"The Band Played On" - The story of how HIV/AIDS spread through the Homo 
community and Politically Correct politicians like former Mayor Diane 
Feinstein let it happen.
-- 
CB
America needs Michael Savage to be her Media General
http://www.homestead.com/prosites-prs/index.html

"grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message 
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> If God sees evil and injustice but cannot do anything about it, he/she is 
> not omipotent.
>
> If God sees evil and injustice but choses not do to anything about it, 
> he/she is manevolent.
>
> If god does not see evil and injustice he/she is not omiscient.
>

There goes the freedom of free choice

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> In News bepk9354i77p17l16itpnrrsciv9elghc9@4ax.com,, never@million at 
> never@million, typed this:
>
>> On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:13:34 GMT, "grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I have found that  "generally" the more religious a person is the
>>> prone to hate.
>>>
>>
>> Then quit finding these people. There is the vast majority of persons
>> who live by religious principles who don't hate.
>>
>> DCI
>
> So tell us, why do the 'vast majority" of those you say live by religious 
> principles that don't hate, support the people that live by religious 
> principles that do hate?

Why do you beat your wife you 'loud peacock?'

>
>

In News 469a72fb$0$31212$4c368faf@roadrunner.com,, CB at CB@PrayForMe.com, 
typed this:

> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
> news:UJtmi.7717$tj6.3664@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>> In News bepk9354i77p17l16itpnrrsciv9elghc9@4ax.com,, never@million at
>> never@million, typed this:
>>
>>> On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:13:34 GMT, "grinder"
>>> <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I have found that  "generally" the more religious a person is the
>>>> prone to hate.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Then quit finding these people. There is the vast majority of
>>> persons who live by religious principles who don't hate.
>>>
>>> DCI
>>
>> So tell us, why do the 'vast majority" of those you say live by
>> religious principles that don't hate, support the people that live
>> by religious principles that do hate?
>
> Why do you beat your wife you 'loud peacock?'

No, I beat your wife.  She bet that I couldn't make her any uglier, so far 
she's won the bet.  Why is it that you Christofascists can never just answer 
a question with an honest answer?

"Andrealphus"  wrote in message 
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> In News 469a72fb$0$31212$4c368faf@roadrunner.com,, CB at CB@PrayForMe.com, 
> typed this:
>
>> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
>> news:UJtmi.7717$tj6.3664@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>> In News bepk9354i77p17l16itpnrrsciv9elghc9@4ax.com,, never@million at
>>> never@million, typed this:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:13:34 GMT, "grinder"
>>>> <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I have found that  "generally" the more religious a person is the
>>>>> prone to hate.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Then quit finding these people. There is the vast majority of
>>>> persons who live by religious principles who don't hate.
>>>>
>>>> DCI
>>>
>>> So tell us, why do the 'vast majority" of those you say live by
>>> religious principles that don't hate, support the people that live
>>> by religious principles that do hate?
>>
>> Why do you beat your wife you 'loud peacock?'
>
> No, I beat your wife.  She bet that I couldn't make her any uglier, so far 
> she's won the bet.  Why is it that you Christofascists can never just 
> answer a question with an honest answer?

Why is it that your legion smell like rotting fish?

In News 469a8248$0$12229$4c368faf@roadrunner.com,, CB at CB@PrayForMe.com, 
typed this:

> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
> news:duumi.7731$tj6.5742@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>> In News 469a72fb$0$31212$4c368faf@roadrunner.com,, CB at
>> CB@PrayForMe.com, typed this:
>>
>>> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
>>> news:UJtmi.7717$tj6.3664@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>>> In News bepk9354i77p17l16itpnrrsciv9elghc9@4ax.com,, never@million
>>>> at never@million, typed this:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:13:34 GMT, "grinder"
>>>>> <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have found that  "generally" the more religious a person is the
>>>>>> prone to hate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Then quit finding these people. There is the vast majority of
>>>>> persons who live by religious principles who don't hate.
>>>>>
>>>>> DCI
>>>>
>>>> So tell us, why do the 'vast majority" of those you say live by
>>>> religious principles that don't hate, support the people that live
>>>> by religious principles that do hate?
>>>
>>> Why do you beat your wife you 'loud peacock?'
>>
>> No, I beat your wife.  She bet that I couldn't make her any uglier,
>> so far she's won the bet.  Why is it that you Christofascists can
>> never just answer a question with an honest answer?
>
> Why is it that your legion smell like rotting fish?

That would be your upper lip, CB.   LOL!  Again, no honest answers coming 
from the Christofascists.  No suprise.

"Andrealphus"  wrote in message 
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> In News 469a8248$0$12229$4c368faf@roadrunner.com,, CB at CB@PrayForMe.com, 
> typed this:
>
>> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
>> news:duumi.7731$tj6.5742@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>> In News 469a72fb$0$31212$4c368faf@roadrunner.com,, CB at
>>> CB@PrayForMe.com, typed this:
>>>
>>>> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
>>>> news:UJtmi.7717$tj6.3664@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>>>> In News bepk9354i77p17l16itpnrrsciv9elghc9@4ax.com,, never@million
>>>>> at never@million, typed this:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:13:34 GMT, "grinder"
>>>>>> <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have found that  "generally" the more religious a person is the
>>>>>>> prone to hate.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then quit finding these people. There is the vast majority of
>>>>>> persons who live by religious principles who don't hate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DCI
>>>>>
>>>>> So tell us, why do the 'vast majority" of those you say live by
>>>>> religious principles that don't hate, support the people that live
>>>>> by religious principles that do hate?
>>>>
>>>> Why do you beat your wife you 'loud peacock?'
>>>
>>> No, I beat your wife.  She bet that I couldn't make her any uglier,
>>> so far she's won the bet.  Why is it that you Christofascists can
>>> never just answer a question with an honest answer?
>>
>> Why is it that your legion smell like rotting fish?
>
> That would be your upper lip, CB.   LOL!  Again, no honest answers coming 
> from the Christofascists.  No suprise.

I don't debate emissaries of Evil, Andrealphus. What would be the point?

You know your place in the bigger picture, so have your fun today.

Information about the demon Andrealphus
http://www.occultopedia.com/a/andrealphus.htm

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typed this:

> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
> news:Ttvmi.7745$tj6.4896@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>> In News 469a8248$0$12229$4c368faf@roadrunner.com,, CB at
>> CB@PrayForMe.com, typed this:
>>
>>> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
>>> news:duumi.7731$tj6.5742@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>>> In News 469a72fb$0$31212$4c368faf@roadrunner.com,, CB at
>>>> CB@PrayForMe.com, typed this:
>>>>
>>>>> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:UJtmi.7717$tj6.3664@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>>>>> In News bepk9354i77p17l16itpnrrsciv9elghc9@4ax.com,,
>>>>>> never@million at never@million, typed this:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:13:34 GMT, "grinder"
>>>>>>> <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have found that  "generally" the more religious a person is
>>>>>>>> the prone to hate.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then quit finding these people. There is the vast majority of
>>>>>>> persons who live by religious principles who don't hate.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> DCI
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So tell us, why do the 'vast majority" of those you say live by
>>>>>> religious principles that don't hate, support the people that
>>>>>> live by religious principles that do hate?
>>>>>
>>>>> Why do you beat your wife you 'loud peacock?'
>>>>
>>>> No, I beat your wife.  She bet that I couldn't make her any uglier,
>>>> so far she's won the bet.  Why is it that you Christofascists can
>>>> never just answer a question with an honest answer?
>>>
>>> Why is it that your legion smell like rotting fish?
>>
>> That would be your upper lip, CB.   LOL!  Again, no honest answers
>> coming from the Christofascists.  No suprise.
>
> I don't debate

You can't debate.  Christofascists are often stupid that way.

"CB"  wrote in message 
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>
> "grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message 
> news:wzsmi.7906$Od7.5807@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>
>> "sdr"  wrote in message 
>> news:1184463200.693358.151820@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>> What Atheists Can't Answer
>>> By Michael Gerson Friday, July 13, 2007;
>>> Page A17 Washington Post
>>>
>>>   " Human nature, in other circumstances, is also
>>>   clearly constructed for cruel exploitation,
>>>   uncontrollable rage, icy selfishness and a range of
>>>   other less desirable traits.
>>>
>>>   So the dilemma is this: How do we choose between
>>>   good and bad instincts?
>>
>> A good instinct of mine is not to put my hand on a hot stove or step in 
>> front of a moving train.  Yet for the life of me I don't remember Jesus 
>> ever telling me not to.  Of course if I had not LEARNED that instinct I 
>> would either have a fried hand or not be writing this right now.
>>
>> Man-made religion had nothing to do with it.
>
> How do homosexual men justify a lifestyle that reeks of feces?
>

Why do you spend so much time thinking about it?  And just how do you  know 
it reeks of feces?  BTW, it is not limited to homosexual men.

> Common sence would tell ya its nasty butt it doesn't stop them.
>

I wonder how many women say that about performing oral sex.

> Does lust blind the morally weak to the point of indangering their health?
>

Who said it is morally wrong?  You?  And who are you to say it is morally 
wrong?  And if you bring up the bible include other offenses that are 
considered morally wrong to the point of deserving exercution including:

cursing your  parents,
committing adultary, and
working on the sabath among others.

At least you proved one point of mine i.e. there is a positive correlation 
between degree of religiosity and the tendency to hate.

"grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message 
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>
> "CB"  wrote in message 
> news:469a6a6d$0$30618$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>
>> "grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message 
>> news:wzsmi.7906$Od7.5807@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>>
>>> "sdr"  wrote in message 
>>> news:1184463200.693358.151820@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>>> What Atheists Can't Answer
>>>> By Michael Gerson Friday, July 13, 2007;
>>>> Page A17 Washington Post
>>>>
>>>>   " Human nature, in other circumstances, is also
>>>>   clearly constructed for cruel exploitation,
>>>>   uncontrollable rage, icy selfishness and a range of
>>>>   other less desirable traits.
>>>>
>>>>   So the dilemma is this: How do we choose between
>>>>   good and bad instincts?
>>>
>>> A good instinct of mine is not to put my hand on a hot stove or step in 
>>> front of a moving train.  Yet for the life of me I don't remember Jesus 
>>> ever telling me not to.  Of course if I had not LEARNED that instinct I 
>>> would either have a fried hand or not be writing this right now.
>>>
>>> Man-made religion had nothing to do with it.
>>
>> How do homosexual men justify a lifestyle that reeks of feces?
>>
>
> Why do you spend so much time thinking about it?  And just how do you 
> know it reeks of feces?  BTW, it is not limited to homosexual men.
>
>> Common sence would tell ya its nasty butt it doesn't stop them.
>>
>
> I wonder how many women say that about performing oral sex.
>
>> Does lust blind the morally weak to the point of indangering their 
>> health?
>>
>
> Who said it is morally wrong?  You?  And who are you to say it is morally 
> wrong?  And if you bring up the bible include other offenses that are 
> considered morally wrong to the point of deserving exercution including:
>
> cursing your  parents,
> committing adultary, and
> working on the sabath among others.
>
> At least you proved one point of mine i.e. there is a positive correlation 
> between degree of religiosity and the tendency to hate.

The act of Homosexuality is the sin. I'm not here to moralize the virtues of 
the act, that's up to whom ever it applies to. That person will have to 
answer to The 'Power' that be.

For my self I know the moral implications of sin.

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>
> "grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message 
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>>
>> "CB"  wrote in message 
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>>>
>>> "grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message 
>>> news:wzsmi.7906$Od7.5807@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>>>
>>>> "sdr"  wrote in message 
>>>> news:1184463200.693358.151820@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> What Atheists Can't Answer
>>>>> By Michael Gerson Friday, July 13, 2007;
>>>>> Page A17 Washington Post
>>>>>
>>>>>   " Human nature, in other circumstances, is also
>>>>>   clearly constructed for cruel exploitation,
>>>>>   uncontrollable rage, icy selfishness and a range of
>>>>>   other less desirable traits.
>>>>>
>>>>>   So the dilemma is this: How do we choose between
>>>>>   good and bad instincts?
>>>>
>>>> A good instinct of mine is not to put my hand on a hot stove or step in 
>>>> front of a moving train.  Yet for the life of me I don't remember Jesus 
>>>> ever telling me not to.  Of course if I had not LEARNED that instinct I 
>>>> would either have a fried hand or not be writing this right now.
>>>>
>>>> Man-made religion had nothing to do with it.
>>>
>>> How do homosexual men justify a lifestyle that reeks of feces?
>>>
>>
>> Why do you spend so much time thinking about it?  And just how do you 
>> know it reeks of feces?  BTW, it is not limited to homosexual men.
>>
>>> Common sence would tell ya its nasty butt it doesn't stop them.
>>>
>>
>> I wonder how many women say that about performing oral sex.
>>
>>> Does lust blind the morally weak to the point of indangering their 
>>> health?
>>>
>>
>> Who said it is morally wrong?  You?  And who are you to say it is morally 
>> wrong?  And if you bring up the bible include other offenses that are 
>> considered morally wrong to the point of deserving exercution including:
>>
>> cursing your  parents,
>> committing adultary, and
>> working on the sabath among others.
>>
>> At least you proved one point of mine i.e. there is a positive 
>> correlation between degree of religiosity and the tendency to hate.
>
> The act of Homosexuality is the sin. I'm not here to moralize the virtues 
> of the act, that's up to whom ever it applies to. That person will have to 
> answer to The 'Power' that be.
>
> For my self I know the moral implications of sin.
>

Yet you say you are not here to moralize.  I don't even know if there is a 
cure against moralizing which is a sickeness common to the American Taliban.

And rest assured, neither you or me will be surprised the second after 
death.

"CB"  wrote in message 
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>
> "grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message 
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>> If God sees evil and injustice but cannot do anything about it, he/she is 
>> not omipotent.
>>
>> If God sees evil and injustice but choses not do to anything about it, 
>> he/she is manevolent.
>>
>> If god does not see evil and injustice he/she is not omiscient.
>>
>
> There goes the freedom of free choice
>

Only if you believe misery and pain is a result of free choice.

In article <i1Lmi.7524$rR.3929@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
grinder <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote:
> 
> "CB"  wrote in message 
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> >
> > "grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message 
> > news:HJsmi.7914$Od7.5408@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> >> If God sees evil and injustice but cannot do anything about it, he/she is 
> >> not omipotent.
> >>
> >> If God sees evil and injustice but choses not do to anything about it, 
> >> he/she is manevolent.
> >>
> >> If god does not see evil and injustice he/she is not omiscient.
> >>
> >
> > There goes the freedom of free choice
> >
> 
> Only if you believe misery and pain is a result of free choice. 

Most of it is - just not necessarily that of the victim.

Cheers
Tony
-- 
Tony Mountifield
Work: tony@softins.co.uk - http://www.softins.co.uk
Play: tony@mountifield.org - http://tony.mountifield.org

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>> "grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message 
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>>>
>>> "CB"  wrote in message 
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>>>>
>>>> "grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message 
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>>>>>
>>>>> "sdr"  wrote in message 
>>>>> news:1184463200.693358.151820@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>> What Atheists Can't Answer
>>>>>> By Michael Gerson Friday, July 13, 2007;
>>>>>> Page A17 Washington Post
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   " Human nature, in other circumstances, is also
>>>>>>   clearly constructed for cruel exploitation,
>>>>>>   uncontrollable rage, icy selfishness and a range of
>>>>>>   other less desirable traits.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   So the dilemma is this: How do we choose between
>>>>>>   good and bad instincts?
>>>>>
>>>>> A good instinct of mine is not to put my hand on a hot stove or step 
>>>>> in front of a moving train.  Yet for the life of me I don't remember 
>>>>> Jesus ever telling me not to.  Of course if I had not LEARNED that 
>>>>> instinct I would either have a fried hand or not be writing this right 
>>>>> now.
>>>>>
>>>>> Man-made religion had nothing to do with it.
>>>>
>>>> How do homosexual men justify a lifestyle that reeks of feces?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Why do you spend so much time thinking about it?  And just how do you 
>>> know it reeks of feces?  BTW, it is not limited to homosexual men.
>>>
>>>> Common sence would tell ya its nasty butt it doesn't stop them.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I wonder how many women say that about performing oral sex.
>>>
>>>> Does lust blind the morally weak to the point of indangering their 
>>>> health?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Who said it is morally wrong?  You?  And who are you to say it is 
>>> morally wrong?  And if you bring up the bible include other offenses 
>>> that are considered morally wrong to the point of deserving exercution 
>>> including:
>>>
>>> cursing your  parents,
>>> committing adultary, and
>>> working on the sabath among others.
>>>
>>> At least you proved one point of mine i.e. there is a positive 
>>> correlation between degree of religiosity and the tendency to hate.
>>
>> The act of Homosexuality is the sin. I'm not here to moralize the virtues 
>> of the act, that's up to whom ever it applies to. That person will have 
>> to answer to The 'Power' that be.
>>
>> For my self I know the moral implications of sin.
>>
>
> Yet you say you are not here to moralize.  I don't even know if there is a 
> cure against moralizing which is a sickeness common to the American 
> Taliban.

John Walker Lindh?

>
> And rest assured, neither you or me will be surprised the second after 
> death.

I heard dat

"grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message 
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>
> "CB"  wrote in message 
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>>
>> "grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message 
>> news:HJsmi.7914$Od7.5408@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>> If God sees evil and injustice but cannot do anything about it, he/she 
>>> is not omipotent.
>>>
>>> If God sees evil and injustice but choses not do to anything about it, 
>>> he/she is manevolent.
>>>
>>> If god does not see evil and injustice he/she is not omiscient.
>>>
>>
>> There goes the freedom of free choice
>>
>
> Only if you believe misery and pain is a result of free choice.

Blame Adam and Eve for choosing to eat from the Tree of Life which opened 
their eyes of the choice to sin or not to sin. Before that 'choice' was made 
Enlightenment (choice) was only the Deceiver's wet dream for mankind.

Adam and Eve had everything. It was all perfect, there was no wrong. Man was 
perfect so the choice to sin wasn't there to tempt. Only through 
Liberalization or God's word came the Enlightenment of a choice to sin.

"CB"  wrote in message 
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>
> "grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message 
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>>
>> "CB"  wrote in message 
>> news:469a6aaa$0$4852$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>
>>> "grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message 
>>> news:HJsmi.7914$Od7.5408@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>>> If God sees evil and injustice but cannot do anything about it, he/she 
>>>> is not omipotent.
>>>>
>>>> If God sees evil and injustice but choses not do to anything about it, 
>>>> he/she is manevolent.
>>>>
>>>> If god does not see evil and injustice he/she is not omiscient.
>>>>
>>>
>>> There goes the freedom of free choice
>>>
>>
>> Only if you believe misery and pain is a result of free choice.
>
> Blame Adam and Eve for choosing to eat from the Tree of Life which opened 
> their eyes of the choice to sin or not to sin. Before that 'choice' was 
> made Enlightenment (choice) was only the Deceiver's wet dream for mankind.
>
> Adam and Eve had everything. It was all perfect, there was no wrong. Man 
> was perfect so the choice to sin wasn't there to tempt. Only through 
> Liberalization or God's word came the Enlightenment of a choice to sin.

We all know what the wages of sin have brought, pain, misery and death.

>
>

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> "grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message 
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>>
>> "CB"  wrote in message 
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>>>
>>> "grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message 
>>> news:Qrwmi.7990$Od7.7060@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>>>
>>>> "CB"  wrote in message 
>>>> news:469a6a6d$0$30618$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>>>
>>>>> "grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message 
>>>>> news:wzsmi.7906$Od7.5807@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "sdr"  wrote in message 
>>>>>> news:1184463200.693358.151820@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>> What Atheists Can't Answer
>>>>>>> By Michael Gerson Friday, July 13, 2007;
>>>>>>> Page A17 Washington Post
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   " Human nature, in other circumstances, is also
>>>>>>>   clearly constructed for cruel exploitation,
>>>>>>>   uncontrollable rage, icy selfishness and a range of
>>>>>>>   other less desirable traits.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   So the dilemma is this: How do we choose between
>>>>>>>   good and bad instincts?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A good instinct of mine is not to put my hand on a hot stove or step 
>>>>>> in front of a moving train.  Yet for the life of me I don't remember 
>>>>>> Jesus ever telling me not to.  Of course if I had not LEARNED that 
>>>>>> instinct I would either have a fried hand or not be writing this 
>>>>>> right now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Man-made religion had nothing to do with it.
>>>>>
>>>>> How do homosexual men justify a lifestyle that reeks of feces?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why do you spend so much time thinking about it?  And just how do you 
>>>> know it reeks of feces?  BTW, it is not limited to homosexual men.
>>>>
>>>>> Common sence would tell ya its nasty butt it doesn't stop them.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I wonder how many women say that about performing oral sex.
>>>>
>>>>> Does lust blind the morally weak to the point of indangering their 
>>>>> health?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Who said it is morally wrong?  You?  And who are you to say it is 
>>>> morally wrong?  And if you bring up the bible include other offenses 
>>>> that are considered morally wrong to the point of deserving exercution 
>>>> including:
>>>>
>>>> cursing your  parents,
>>>> committing adultary, and
>>>> working on the sabath among others.
>>>>
>>>> At least you proved one point of mine i.e. there is a positive 
>>>> correlation between degree of religiosity and the tendency to hate.
>>>
>>> The act of Homosexuality is the sin. I'm not here to moralize the 
>>> virtues of the act, that's up to whom ever it applies to. That person 
>>> will have to answer to The 'Power' that be.
>>>
>>> For my self I know the moral implications of sin.
>>>
>>
>> Yet you say you are not here to moralize.  I don't even know if there is 
>> a cure against moralizing which is a sickeness common to the American 
>> Taliban.
>
> John Walker Lindh?
>
>>

Falwell, Robertson and their ilk.

"CB"  wrote in message 
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>
> "CB"  wrote in message 
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>>
>> "grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message 
>> news:i1Lmi.7524$rR.3929@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>>
>>> "CB"  wrote in message 
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>>>>
>>>> "grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message 
>>>> news:HJsmi.7914$Od7.5408@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>>>> If God sees evil and injustice but cannot do anything about it, he/she 
>>>>> is not omipotent.
>>>>>
>>>>> If God sees evil and injustice but choses not do to anything about it, 
>>>>> he/she is manevolent.
>>>>>
>>>>> If god does not see evil and injustice he/she is not omiscient.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There goes the freedom of free choice
>>>>
>>>
>>> Only if you believe misery and pain is a result of free choice.
>>
>> Blame Adam and Eve for choosing to eat from the Tree of Life which opened 
>> their eyes of the choice to sin or not to sin. Before that 'choice' was 
>> made Enlightenment (choice) was only the Deceiver's wet dream for 
>> mankind.
>>
>> Adam and Eve had everything. It was all perfect, there was no wrong. Man 
>> was perfect so the choice to sin wasn't there to tempt. Only through 
>> Liberalization or God's word came the Enlightenment of a choice to sin.
>
> We all know what the wages of sin have brought, pain, misery and death.
>
>>
>>

Tell it to the kid with Cancer.

"CB"  wrote in message 
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>
> "grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message 
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>>
>> "CB"  wrote in message 
>> news:469a6aaa$0$4852$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>
>>> "grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message 
>>> news:HJsmi.7914$Od7.5408@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>>> If God sees evil and injustice but cannot do anything about it, he/she 
>>>> is not omipotent.
>>>>
>>>> If God sees evil and injustice but choses not do to anything about it, 
>>>> he/she is manevolent.
>>>>
>>>> If god does not see evil and injustice he/she is not omiscient.
>>>>
>>>
>>> There goes the freedom of free choice
>>>
>>
>> Only if you believe misery and pain is a result of free choice.
>
> Blame Adam and Eve for choosing to eat from the Tree of Life which opened 
> their eyes of the choice to sin or not to sin.

LOL.  I don't take fairy tales seriously.

grinder wrote:
> 
> "CB"  wrote in message
> news:469b8d95$0$9000$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> >
> > "grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
> > news:i1Lmi.7524$rR.3929@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> >>
> >> "CB"  wrote in message
> >> news:469a6aaa$0$4852$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> >>>
> >>> "grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
> >>> news:HJsmi.7914$Od7.5408@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> >>>> If God sees evil and injustice but cannot do anything about it, he/she
> >>>> is not omipotent.
> >>>>
> >>>> If God sees evil and injustice but choses not do to anything about it,
> >>>> he/she is manevolent.
> >>>>
> >>>> If god does not see evil and injustice he/she is not omiscient.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> There goes the freedom of free choice
> >>>
> >>
> >> Only if you believe misery and pain is a result of free choice.
> >
> > Blame Adam and Eve for choosing to eat from the Tree of Life which opened
> > their eyes of the choice to sin or not to sin.
> 
> LOL.  I don't take fairy tales seriously.

CB als says Satan controls the weather. He really did.

RT

In article , never@million 
wrote:

> On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:13:34 GMT, "grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid>
> wrote:
> 
> >I have found that  "generally" the more religious a person is the prone to 
> >hate. 
> 
> Then quit finding these people. There is the vast majority of persons
> who live by religious principles who don't hate.

Maybe.  Got stats that have been subjected to peer review?

In article <469a8248$0$12229$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
 "CB"  wrote:

> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message 
> news:duumi.7731$tj6.5742@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> > In News 469a72fb$0$31212$4c368faf@roadrunner.com,, CB at CB@PrayForMe.com, 
> > typed this:
> >
> >> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
> >> news:UJtmi.7717$tj6.3664@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> >>> In News bepk9354i77p17l16itpnrrsciv9elghc9@4ax.com,, never@million at
> >>> never@million, typed this:
> >>>
> >>>> On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:13:34 GMT, "grinder"
> >>>> <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> I have found that  "generally" the more religious a person is the
> >>>>> prone to hate.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Then quit finding these people. There is the vast majority of
> >>>> persons who live by religious principles who don't hate.
> >>>>
> >>>> DCI
> >>>
> >>> So tell us, why do the 'vast majority" of those you say live by
> >>> religious principles that don't hate, support the people that live
> >>> by religious principles that do hate?
> >>
> >> Why do you beat your wife you 'loud peacock?'
> >
> > No, I beat your wife.  She bet that I couldn't make her any uglier, so far 
> > she's won the bet.  Why is it that you Christofascists can never just 
> > answer a question with an honest answer?
> 
> Why is it that your legion smell like rotting fish? 

I guess CB doesn't mean to include himself in the vast majority who
do not hate.

In article <469a67bc$0$16561$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
 "CB"  wrote:

> Psychotropic drugs are the result of quack doctors trying to suppress 
> Humanitarian conscience and guilt from moral depravity like Homosexuality

Your ignorance is impressive.

In article <f7cftc$ial$1@news04.infoave.net>,
 "Larry Hewitt"  wrote:

> 
> Theists don't want to acjnowledge it, but all secies have a basic sense of 
> "morals" built into their genes.
> 
> Look at the coopperation emperor penguins employ to raise thir young. Do 
> they have a theology telling them to share body heat?
> 
> This sense of cooperation can be highly developed, as in the higher apes, or 
> little more than maternal instinct, as in crocodiles. But it is indisputably 
> there.

I don't think we can be sure that a cooperative instinct is the same
thing as morality, though it might be.  Certainly, humans display quite
a lot of culturally-induced variation in what they think of as moral.

"Rich Travsky"  wrote in message 
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> grinder wrote:
>>
>> "CB"  wrote in message
>> news:469b8d95$0$9000$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> >
>> > "grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
>> > news:i1Lmi.7524$rR.3929@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>> >>
>> >> "CB"  wrote in message
>> >> news:469a6aaa$0$4852$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> >>>
>> >>> "grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
>> >>> news:HJsmi.7914$Od7.5408@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>> >>>> If God sees evil and injustice but cannot do anything about it, 
>> >>>> he/she
>> >>>> is not omipotent.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> If God sees evil and injustice but choses not do to anything about 
>> >>>> it,
>> >>>> he/she is manevolent.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> If god does not see evil and injustice he/she is not omiscient.
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> There goes the freedom of free choice
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> Only if you believe misery and pain is a result of free choice.
>> >
>> > Blame Adam and Eve for choosing to eat from the Tree of Life which 
>> > opened
>> > their eyes of the choice to sin or not to sin.
>>
>> LOL.  I don't take fairy tales seriously.
>
> CB als says Satan controls the weather. He really did.

He wi'wwy wi'wwy dee'id?

>
> RT

In News hugh_gibbons-45E012.15583116072007@newsgroups.comcast.net,, Hugh 
Gibbons at hugh_gibbons@dontsendmeemail.net, typed this:

> In article <469a8248$0$12229$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
> "CB"  wrote:
>
>> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
>> news:duumi.7731$tj6.5742@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>> In News 469a72fb$0$31212$4c368faf@roadrunner.com,, CB at
>>> CB@PrayForMe.com, typed this:
>>>
>>>> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
>>>> news:UJtmi.7717$tj6.3664@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>>>> In News bepk9354i77p17l16itpnrrsciv9elghc9@4ax.com,,
>>>>> never@million at never@million, typed this:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:13:34 GMT, "grinder"
>>>>>> <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have found that  "generally" the more religious a person is
>>>>>>> the prone to hate.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then quit finding these people. There is the vast majority of
>>>>>> persons who live by religious principles who don't hate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DCI
>>>>>
>>>>> So tell us, why do the 'vast majority" of those you say live by
>>>>> religious principles that don't hate, support the people that live
>>>>> by religious principles that do hate?
>>>>
>>>> Why do you beat your wife you 'loud peacock?'
>>>
>>> No, I beat your wife.  She bet that I couldn't make her any uglier,
>>> so far she's won the bet.  Why is it that you Christofascists can
>>> never just answer a question with an honest answer?
>>
>> Why is it that your legion smell like rotting fish?
>
> I guess CB doesn't mean to include himself in the vast majority who
> do not hate.

CB is one of the biggest idiots on usenet.  It's fun to mess with his mind 
once in a while.

"Hugh Gibbons"  wrote in message 
news:hugh_gibbons-1BA8CF.16075916072007@newsgroups.comcast.net...
> In article <f7cftc$ial$1@news04.infoave.net>,
> "Larry Hewitt"  wrote:
>
>>
>> Theists don't want to acjnowledge it, but all secies have a basic sense 
>> of
>> "morals" built into their genes.
>>
>> Look at the coopperation emperor penguins employ to raise thir young. Do
>> they have a theology telling them to share body heat?
>>
>> This sense of cooperation can be highly developed, as in the higher apes, 
>> or
>> little more than maternal instinct, as in crocodiles. But it is 
>> indisputably
>> there.
>
> I don't think we can be sure that a cooperative instinct is the same
> thing as morality, though it might be.  Certainly, humans display quite
> a lot of culturally-induced variation in what they think of as moral.

Zeitgeist.  And you are correct.  At one time slavery was considered moral. 
Now it is not and it  is not because god sent word - in fact the bible (if 
it is the word of god) mentions how to treat, buy and sell slaves.

<never@million> wrote in message 
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> On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:13:34 GMT, "grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>
>>I have found that  "generally" the more religious a person is the prone to
>>hate.
>>
>
> Then quit finding these people. There is the vast majority of persons
> who live by religious principles who don't hate.
>
> DCI
>

I don't have to find them.  They are right here.  They hate gays because 
homosexuality is a sin.

BTW, can you name a war or conflict where two athesists went after each 
other because they were atheists?

"Hugh Gibbons"  wrote in message 
news:hugh_gibbons-45E012.15583116072007@newsgroups.comcast.net...
> In article <469a8248$0$12229$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
> "CB"  wrote:
>
>> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
>> news:duumi.7731$tj6.5742@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>> > In News 469a72fb$0$31212$4c368faf@roadrunner.com,, CB at 
>> > CB@PrayForMe.com,
>> > typed this:
>> >
>> >> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
>> >> news:UJtmi.7717$tj6.3664@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>> >>> In News bepk9354i77p17l16itpnrrsciv9elghc9@4ax.com,, never@million at
>> >>> never@million, typed this:
>> >>>
>> >>>> On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:13:34 GMT, "grinder"
>> >>>> <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> I have found that  "generally" the more religious a person is the
>> >>>>> prone to hate.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Then quit finding these people. There is the vast majority of
>> >>>> persons who live by religious principles who don't hate.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> DCI
>> >>>
>> >>> So tell us, why do the 'vast majority" of those you say live by
>> >>> religious principles that don't hate, support the people that live
>> >>> by religious principles that do hate?
>> >>
>> >> Why do you beat your wife you 'loud peacock?'
>> >
>> > No, I beat your wife.  She bet that I couldn't make her any uglier, so 
>> > far
>> > she's won the bet.  Why is it that you Christofascists can never just
>> > answer a question with an honest answer?
>>
>> Why is it that your legion smell like rotting fish?
>
> I guess CB doesn't mean to include himself in the vast majority who
> do not hate.

He also said he does not moralize and then proceeds to do so.  That "good 
time religion" has really screwed up his mind.

"Rich Travsky"  wrote in message 
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> grinder wrote:
>>
>> "CB"  wrote in message
>> news:469b8d95$0$9000$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> >
>> > "grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
>> > news:i1Lmi.7524$rR.3929@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>> >>
>> >> "CB"  wrote in message
>> >> news:469a6aaa$0$4852$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> >>>
>> >>> "grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
>> >>> news:HJsmi.7914$Od7.5408@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>> >>>> If God sees evil and injustice but cannot do anything about it, 
>> >>>> he/she
>> >>>> is not omipotent.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> If God sees evil and injustice but choses not do to anything about 
>> >>>> it,
>> >>>> he/she is manevolent.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> If god does not see evil and injustice he/she is not omiscient.
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> There goes the freedom of free choice
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> Only if you believe misery and pain is a result of free choice.
>> >
>> > Blame Adam and Eve for choosing to eat from the Tree of Life which 
>> > opened
>> > their eyes of the choice to sin or not to sin.
>>
>> LOL.  I don't take fairy tales seriously.
>
> CB als says Satan controls the weather. He really did.
>
> RT

Wouldn't it be interesting when he dies he finds out the satan he hates is 
really the god he worships?

"Hugh Gibbons"  wrote in message 
news:hugh_gibbons-1BA8CF.16075916072007@newsgroups.comcast.net...
> In article <f7cftc$ial$1@news04.infoave.net>,
> "Larry Hewitt"  wrote:
>
>>
>> Theists don't want to acjnowledge it, but all secies have a basic sense 
>> of
>> "morals" built into their genes.
>>
>> Look at the coopperation emperor penguins employ to raise thir young. Do
>> they have a theology telling them to share body heat?
>>
>> This sense of cooperation can be highly developed, as in the higher apes, 
>> or
>> little more than maternal instinct, as in crocodiles. But it is 
>> indisputably
>> there.
>
> I don't think we can be sure that a cooperative instinct is the same
> thing as morality, though it might be.  Certainly, humans display quite
> a lot of culturally-induced variation in what they think of as moral.

It 'is' man's nature to be bad. One only has to observe children who have no 
authority figure to guide them.

Bootz hinted at that fact on his show by illustrating how college graduates 
who've never worked before expect their employers to cater to them rather 
than to serve their employer. Boortz's point was that after high school kids 
should work for a few years so they understand how hard life will be without 
higher Education. Without that 'enlightenment' kids will think life will be 
handed to them and whine "no fair" when it's not. It's the me generation 
that's grown up without much discipline.

It's like Hillary and Obama avoiding FoxNews. How the Hell can we expect a 
Dim/Lib President to take of Islamo-fascism  when they can't even handle 
tough questions from Rush, Hannity or O'Rielly?
-- 
CB
America needs Michael Savage to be her Media General
http://www.homestead.com/prosites-prs/index.html

"Andrealphus"  wrote in message 
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> In News hugh_gibbons-45E012.15583116072007@newsgroups.comcast.net,, Hugh 
> Gibbons at hugh_gibbons@dontsendmeemail.net, typed this:
>
>> In article <469a8248$0$12229$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
>> "CB"  wrote:
>>
>>> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
>>> news:duumi.7731$tj6.5742@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>>> In News 469a72fb$0$31212$4c368faf@roadrunner.com,, CB at
>>>> CB@PrayForMe.com, typed this:
>>>>
>>>>> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:UJtmi.7717$tj6.3664@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>>>>> In News bepk9354i77p17l16itpnrrsciv9elghc9@4ax.com,,
>>>>>> never@million at never@million, typed this:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:13:34 GMT, "grinder"
>>>>>>> <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have found that  "generally" the more religious a person is
>>>>>>>> the prone to hate.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then quit finding these people. There is the vast majority of
>>>>>>> persons who live by religious principles who don't hate.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> DCI
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So tell us, why do the 'vast majority" of those you say live by
>>>>>> religious principles that don't hate, support the people that live
>>>>>> by religious principles that do hate?
>>>>>
>>>>> Why do you beat your wife you 'loud peacock?'
>>>>
>>>> No, I beat your wife.  She bet that I couldn't make her any uglier,
>>>> so far she's won the bet.  Why is it that you Christofascists can
>>>> never just answer a question with an honest answer?
>>>
>>> Why is it that your legion smell like rotting fish?
>>
>> I guess CB doesn't mean to include himself in the vast majority who
>> do not hate.
>
> CB is one of the biggest idiots on usenet.  It's fun to mess with his mind 
> once in a while.

Goo goo?
-- 
CB
Psalm 12:8 The wicked freely strut about when what is vile is honored among 
men.

Larry Flynt, Hugh Hefner and Bill Clinton come to mind

"grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message 
news:P34ni.8529$Od7.6656@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>
> "Hugh Gibbons"  wrote in message 
> news:hugh_gibbons-45E012.15583116072007@newsgroups.comcast.net...
>> In article <469a8248$0$12229$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
>> "CB"  wrote:
>>
>>> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
>>> news:duumi.7731$tj6.5742@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>> > In News 469a72fb$0$31212$4c368faf@roadrunner.com,, CB at 
>>> > CB@PrayForMe.com,
>>> > typed this:
>>> >
>>> >> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
>>> >> news:UJtmi.7717$tj6.3664@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>> >>> In News bepk9354i77p17l16itpnrrsciv9elghc9@4ax.com,, never@million 
>>> >>> at
>>> >>> never@million, typed this:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:13:34 GMT, "grinder"
>>> >>>> <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> I have found that  "generally" the more religious a person is the
>>> >>>>> prone to hate.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Then quit finding these people. There is the vast majority of
>>> >>>> persons who live by religious principles who don't hate.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> DCI
>>> >>>
>>> >>> So tell us, why do the 'vast majority" of those you say live by
>>> >>> religious principles that don't hate, support the people that live
>>> >>> by religious principles that do hate?
>>> >>
>>> >> Why do you beat your wife you 'loud peacock?'
>>> >
>>> > No, I beat your wife.  She bet that I couldn't make her any uglier, so 
>>> > far
>>> > she's won the bet.  Why is it that you Christofascists can never just
>>> > answer a question with an honest answer?
>>>
>>> Why is it that your legion smell like rotting fish?
>>
>> I guess CB doesn't mean to include himself in the vast majority who
>> do not hate.
>
> He also said he does not moralize and then proceeds to do so.  That "good 
> time religion" has really screwed up his mind.

Have you got an example of me moralizing?

>
>

"grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message 
news:A74ni.8532$Od7.6619@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>
> "Rich Travsky"  wrote in message 
> news:469BF53F.562639E3@hotmMOVEail.com...
>> grinder wrote:
>>>
>>> "CB"  wrote in message
>>> news:469b8d95$0$9000$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>> >
>>> > "grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
>>> > news:i1Lmi.7524$rR.3929@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>> >>
>>> >> "CB"  wrote in message
>>> >> news:469a6aaa$0$4852$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>> >>>
>>> >>> "grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
>>> >>> news:HJsmi.7914$Od7.5408@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>> >>>> If God sees evil and injustice but cannot do anything about it, 
>>> >>>> he/she
>>> >>>> is not omipotent.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> If God sees evil and injustice but choses not do to anything about 
>>> >>>> it,
>>> >>>> he/she is manevolent.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> If god does not see evil and injustice he/she is not omiscient.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> There goes the freedom of free choice
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >> Only if you believe misery and pain is a result of free choice.
>>> >
>>> > Blame Adam and Eve for choosing to eat from the Tree of Life which 
>>> > opened
>>> > their eyes of the choice to sin or not to sin.
>>>
>>> LOL.  I don't take fairy tales seriously.
>>
>> CB als says Satan controls the weather. He really did.
>>
>> RT
>
> Wouldn't it be interesting when he dies he finds out the satan he hates is 
> really the god he worships?

Let's hope for the best for CB

>
>

In article <469cd12a$0$4720$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
 "CB"  wrote:

> "Hugh Gibbons"  wrote in message 
> news:hugh_gibbons-1BA8CF.16075916072007@newsgroups.comcast.net...
> > In article <f7cftc$ial$1@news04.infoave.net>,
> > "Larry Hewitt"  wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Theists don't want to acjnowledge it, but all secies have a basic sense 
> >> of
> >> "morals" built into their genes.
> >>
> >> Look at the coopperation emperor penguins employ to raise thir young. Do
> >> they have a theology telling them to share body heat?
> >>
> >> This sense of cooperation can be highly developed, as in the higher apes, 
> >> or
> >> little more than maternal instinct, as in crocodiles. But it is 
> >> indisputably
> >> there.
> >
> > I don't think we can be sure that a cooperative instinct is the same
> > thing as morality, though it might be.  Certainly, humans display quite
> > a lot of culturally-induced variation in what they think of as moral.
> 
> It 'is' man's nature to be bad. One only has to observe children who have no 
> authority figure to guide them.

It is children's nature to lack moral training.  That is not the same
as being bad, which implies defiance of morality.

> Bootz hinted at that fact on his show by illustrating how college graduates 
> who've never worked before expect their employers to cater to them rather 
> than to serve their employer. 

That is not bad, merely ignorant.

> It's like Hillary and Obama avoiding FoxNews. How the Hell can we expect a 
> Dim/Lib President to take of Islamo-fascism  when they can't even handle 
> tough questions from Rush, Hannity or O'Rielly?

Not the same thing.  Rush, Hannity and O'Really have long track records
of misrepresenting facts, and falsely characterizing the statements and
opinions of ... everybody.  Real journalists don't do that.

In article <P34ni.8529$Od7.6656@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
 "grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote:

> "Hugh Gibbons"  wrote in message 
> news:hugh_gibbons-45E012.15583116072007@newsgroups.comcast.net...
> > In article <469a8248$0$12229$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
> > "CB"  wrote:
> >> Why is it that your legion smell like rotting fish?
> >
> > I guess CB doesn't mean to include himself in the vast majority who
> > do not hate.
> 
> He also said he does not moralize and then proceeds to do so.  That "good 
> time religion" has really screwed up his mind. 

I think he needs Prolixin.

In article <c24ni.8528$Od7.3104@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
 "grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote:

> BTW, can you name a war or conflict where two athesists went after each 
> other because they were atheists? 

I guess they could fight over which god was more nonexistent.

CB wrote:
> "Rich Travsky"  wrote in message
> > CB wrote:
> >> "Rich Travsky"  wrote in message
> >> > CB wrote:
> >> >> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
> >> >> > grinder
> >> >> > at
> >> >> > seagle@earthlink.invalid, typed this:
> >> >> >> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
> >> >> >>> Truth-monger at truthmonger9@gmail.com, typed this:
> >> >> >>>> On Jul 14, 10:16 pm, "Andrealphus" 
> >> >> >>>> wrote:
> >> >> >>>>> In News Tlfmi.27841$C96.17...@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net,, Tom
> >> >> >>>>> Gardner at tom(nospam)@ohiobrush.com, typed this:
> >> >> >>>>>> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
> >> >> >>>>>>> sdr at sdrodr...@sdrodrian.com, typed this:
> >> >> >>>>>>>> What Atheists Can't Answer
> >> >> >>>>>>>> By Michael Gerson Friday, July 13, 2007;
> >> >> >>>>>>>> Page A17 Washington Post
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>   " Human nature, in other circumstances, is also
> >> >> >>>>>>>>   clearly constructed for cruel exploitation,
> >> >> >>>>>>>>   uncontrollable rage, icy selfishness and a range of
> >> >> >>>>>>>>   other less desirable traits.
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>   So the dilemma is this: How do we choose between
> >> >> >>>>>>>>   good and bad instincts? Theism,
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>> Only children chose between good and bad out of fear of a
> >> >> >>>>>>> boogeyman, or all powerful, nonexistent sky pixie.  True human
> >> >> >>>>>>> adults chose what is right because they know it is right.
> >> >> >>>>>>> Child
> >> >> >>>>>>> like theists will never understand that explanation.
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>> Interesting.  How do YOU choose what is right?
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>> By knowing what is right.   It's not a very hard concept.
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>  Education?  Instinct?
> >> >> >>>>>> Are you superior to all people that have a different belief
> >> >> >>>>>> system?
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>> I'm not a child, caught in a fear based religion, if that's what
> >> >> >>>>> you mean.
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> Maybe you should try and explain the murderous behavior of
> >> >> >>>> Islamists,
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Theists are well known to have murderous behaviors.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I have found that  "generally" the more religious a person is the
> >> >> >> prone to hate.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Agreed, that has also been my observation.
> >> >>
> >> >> What I have observed 'is'...the more Liberals try to deny  Truth,
> >> >> Justice
> >> >> and accountability the more they justify acts of Evil which leads to
> >> >> mental
> >> >
> >> > Says the guy who calls people "nigger" and lies about what the word
> >> > means...
> >> >
> >> >> instability. The more unstable, the more need for restraint by laws
> >> >> and
> >> >> Psychotropic drugs.
> >> >>
> >> >> Psychotropic drugs are the result of quack doctors trying to suppress
> >> >> Humanitarian conscience and guilt from moral depravity like
> >> >> Homosexuality
> >> >
> >> > HAHHAAHHA - You can, of course, cite something in support of such a
> >> > wild
> >> > claim?
> >>
> >> Of course
> >
> > Well then ->
> >
> > (silence)
> 
> That's the sound of a girl answering your call

It's the sound of you not able to back up your mouth.

RT

CB wrote:
> 
> "Hugh Gibbons"  wrote in message
> news:hugh_gibbons-05FFCC.21022528072007@newsgroups.comcast.net...
> > In article ,
> > Rich Travsky  wrote:
> >
> >> CB wrote:
> >> > "Hugh Gibbons"  wrote in message
> >> > > "CB"  wrote:
> >> > My world, the one God created has no end. The one you're living 'is' a
> >> > dead
> >> > end
> >>
> >> The sun will go nova in a few billion years. Bye bye world.
> >>
> > I'm pretty certain this will not affect me or any other human being
> > in any way.
> 
> Richey 'is' thinking immediate gratification, even though he pretends to
> look beyond what Heaven's light may penetrate within his shallow thinking

CB doesn't know what a nova is...

RT

CB wrote:
> "Rich Travsky"  wrote in message
> > CB wrote:
> >> "Rich Travsky"  wrote in message
> >> > CB wrote:
> >> >> "Hugh Gibbons"  wrote in message
> >> >> > "CB"  wrote:
> >> >> >> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
> >> >> >> > In News 1185199841.164004.55370@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com,,
> >> >> >> > RamRod
> >> >> >> > Sword
> >> >> >> >> On Jul 17, 5:58?am, "Andrealphus" 
> >> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>> In News
> >> >> >> >>> hugh_gibbons-45E012.15583116072...@newsgroups.comcast.net,,
> >> >> >> >>> Hugh Gibbons at hugh_gibb...@dontsendmeemail.net, typed this:
> >> >> >> >>>> "CB"  wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>>> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
> >> >> >> >>>>>> In News 469a72fb$0$31212$4c368...@roadrunner.com,, CB at
> >> >> >> >>>>>> C...@PrayForMe.com, typed this:
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> In News bepk9354i77p17l16itpnrrsciv9elg...@4ax.com,,
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> never@million at never@million, typed this:
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:13:34 GMT, "grinder"
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> <sea...@earthlink.invalid> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> I have found that  "generally" the more religious a
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> person
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> is
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> the prone to hate.
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Then quit finding these people. There is the vast
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> majority
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> of
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> persons who live by religious principles who don't hate.
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> So tell us, why do the 'vast majority" of those you say
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> live
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> by
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> religious principles that don't hate, support the people
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> that
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> live by religious principles that do hate?
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> Why do you beat your wife you 'loud peacock?'
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>> No, I beat your wife.  She bet that I couldn't make her any
> >> >> >> >>>>>> uglier, so far she's won the bet.  Why is it that you
> >> >> >> >>>>>> Christofascists can never just answer a question with an
> >> >> >> >>>>>> honest
> >> >> >> >>>>>> answer?
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>>> Why is it that your legion smell like rotting fish?
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>> I guess CB doesn't mean to include himself in the vast
> >> >> >> >>>> majority
> >> >> >> >>>> who
> >> >> >> >>>> do not hate.
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> CB is one of the biggest idiots on usenet.  It's fun to mess
> >> >> >> >>> with
> >> >> >> >>> his mind once in a while.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> I have much respect for CB.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Then you're as big an idiot as he is.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Andrealphus appears as the 54th demon in Johann Weyer's tome on
> >> >> >> demonology
> >> >> >> Pseudomonarchia Daemonum and is described as a great Marquis with
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> appearance of a Peacock who raises great noises and teaches cunning
> >> >> >> in
> >> >> >> astronomy,...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Andrealphus, demon. You know how God plans to end Evil?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Do you think you'll be chained up for a thousand years or thrown
> >> >> >> into
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> lake of fire?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Live it up fool, while you can.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> The end is coming for you
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The end is coming for all of us.
> >> >>
> >> >> My world, the one God created has no end. The one you're living 'is' a
> >> >> dead
> >> >> end
> >> >
> >> > The sun will go nova in a few billion years. Bye bye world.
> >>
> >> 2 Corinthians 12:2  I know a man in Christ who fourteen years
> >> ago---whether
> >> in the body I do not know, or out of the body I do not know, God
> >> knows---such a man was caught up to the third heaven.
> >>
> >> Bye bye for you, I 'plan' on being a long way from here
> >
> > Bye bye for everyone. The planet will be destroyed.
> 
> The world 'is' without end, tootie-fruity
> 
> Ephesians 3:21

Science and reality trump mythology. Other stars die, go nova and ours
will too taking the inner planets with it.

RT

Hugh Gibbons wrote:
> 
> In article ,
>  Rich Travsky  wrote:
> 
> > Bye bye for everyone. The planet will be destroyed.
> >
> > RT
> 
> I see no reason to think the planet would be destroyed.

The will become a red gas giant whose diameter could expand as far as Earth's
orbit. Plus, some stars in this class can go nova.

Stellar evolution.

RT

In article ,
 Rich Travsky  wrote:

> Hugh Gibbons wrote:
> > 
> > In article ,
> >  Rich Travsky  wrote:
> > 
> > > Bye bye for everyone. The planet will be destroyed.
> > >
> > > RT
> > 
> > I see no reason to think the planet would be destroyed.
> 
> The will become a red gas giant whose diameter could expand as far as Earth's
> orbit. Plus, some stars in this class can go nova.

I realize that.  Let's think a little bit about what the density of a 
solar mass expanded to 100 million miles in diameter would be.

Ms = 2x10^30 kg.

1 AU = R = 1.5*10^11 meters.

V = 4/3 *pi* R^3 = 1.4x10^34 m^3

That makes the AVERAGE density of the expanded sun about 0.14 g per 
cubic meter.  The much thinner part out where the Earth is will be
just a fraction of that.  

The Earth will be running into that very thin medium very fast, though, 
about 15000 m/sec.  Each second, therefore, each square meter of the 
Earth's cross section (approximately) will be decelerating 0.00014 kg of 
mass by 15000 m/sec, which delivers a 2kg-m/sec impulse to the Earth.  
You'd feel that wind, for sure, and it would be damn hot.

Multiply that by the cross section of the Earth (1.3x10^14) and you get
an impulse of 2.6x10^14 kg-m/sec of impulse each second.  So each 
second, this would slow the earth down by 

2.6x10^14 kg-m/sec / 2x10^30 kg = 1.3x10^-16 m/sec.  

In a whole year, it would slow down by 4x10^-9 m/sec.  In a billion 
years, that'd slow us down by 4 meters per second.

When the sun shrinks into a white dwarf at the end of its stellar 
lifetime, the Earth will still be orbiting it, with a mass and velocity 
not much different than they are now.

Unless I made a huge math error, which is possible.

"Rich Travsky"  wrote in message 
news:46B15A3D.AA21E9C6@hotmMOVEail.com...
> CB wrote:
>> "Rich Travsky"  wrote in message
>> > CB wrote:
>> >> "Rich Travsky"  wrote in message
>> >> > CB wrote:
>> >> >> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
>> >> >> > grinder
>> >> >> > at
>> >> >> > seagle@earthlink.invalid, typed this:
>> >> >> >> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
>> >> >> >>> Truth-monger at truthmonger9@gmail.com, typed this:
>> >> >> >>>> On Jul 14, 10:16 pm, "Andrealphus" 
>> >> >> >>>> wrote:
>> >> >> >>>>> In News Tlfmi.27841$C96.17...@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net,, 
>> >> >> >>>>> Tom
>> >> >> >>>>> Gardner at tom(nospam)@ohiobrush.com, typed this:
>> >> >> >>>>>> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
>> >> >> >>>>>>> sdr at sdrodr...@sdrodrian.com, typed this:
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> What Atheists Can't Answer
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> By Michael Gerson Friday, July 13, 2007;
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> Page A17 Washington Post
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>   " Human nature, in other circumstances, is also
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>   clearly constructed for cruel exploitation,
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>   uncontrollable rage, icy selfishness and a range of
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>   other less desirable traits.
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>   So the dilemma is this: How do we choose between
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>   good and bad instincts? Theism,
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>> Only children chose between good and bad out of fear of a
>> >> >> >>>>>>> boogeyman, or all powerful, nonexistent sky pixie.  True 
>> >> >> >>>>>>> human
>> >> >> >>>>>>> adults chose what is right because they know it is right.
>> >> >> >>>>>>> Child
>> >> >> >>>>>>> like theists will never understand that explanation.
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>> Interesting.  How do YOU choose what is right?
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>> By knowing what is right.   It's not a very hard concept.
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>  Education?  Instinct?
>> >> >> >>>>>> Are you superior to all people that have a different belief
>> >> >> >>>>>> system?
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>> I'm not a child, caught in a fear based religion, if that's 
>> >> >> >>>>> what
>> >> >> >>>>> you mean.
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>> Maybe you should try and explain the murderous behavior of
>> >> >> >>>> Islamists,
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> Theists are well known to have murderous behaviors.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I have found that  "generally" the more religious a person is 
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> prone to hate.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Agreed, that has also been my observation.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> What I have observed 'is'...the more Liberals try to deny  Truth,
>> >> >> Justice
>> >> >> and accountability the more they justify acts of Evil which leads 
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> mental
>> >> >
>> >> > Says the guy who calls people "nigger" and lies about what the word
>> >> > means...
>> >> >
>> >> >> instability. The more unstable, the more need for restraint by laws
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> Psychotropic drugs.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Psychotropic drugs are the result of quack doctors trying to 
>> >> >> suppress
>> >> >> Humanitarian conscience and guilt from moral depravity like
>> >> >> Homosexuality
>> >> >
>> >> > HAHHAAHHA - You can, of course, cite something in support of such a
>> >> > wild
>> >> > claim?
>> >>
>> >> Of course
>> >
>> > Well then ->
>> >
>> > (silence)
>>
>> That's the sound of a girl answering your call
>
> It's the sound of you not able to back up your mouth.

You axed for it.

Pre-Introduction: A Warning Concerning the Use of Psychiatric Drugs
            What Suffering Tells Us

....
Emotional suffering is inevitable in life. But is has a meaning - a purpose. 
Suffering is a signal that life matters. Specifically, it is usually a 
signal that something in our lives that matters a great deal needs to be 
addressed. Depression, guilt, anxiety, shame, chronic anger, emotional 
numbing - all of these reactions signal that something is amiss and requires 
special attention. The depth of suffering is a sign of the soul's desire for 
a better, more creative, more principled life.

For example, when faced with a patient in deep depression, should we 
immediately focus on relief of the pain? On the contrary, we should respond 
by saying that the pain is a signal of the intensity of the person's spirit: 
"The strength and intensity of your suffering indicates the strength and 
intensity of your spirit. Your discomfort shows how alive you are. Now 
imagine if you could learn to turn all that self-destructive energy into 
creative energy and a love of life."

The degree to which we suffer indicates the degree to which we are alive. 
When we take drugs to ease our suffering, we stifle our psychological and 
spiritual life...

http://www.michaeljournal.org/juvdm/your.drug.may.be.your.problem/page.01.html

Psychotropic drugs suppress life and the soul

In article ,
 Hugh Gibbons  wrote:

> In article ,
>  Rich Travsky  wrote:
> 
> > Hugh Gibbons wrote:
> > > 
> > > In article ,
> > >  Rich Travsky  wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Bye bye for everyone. The planet will be destroyed.
> > > >
> > > > RT
> > > 
> > > I see no reason to think the planet would be destroyed.
> > 
> > The will become a red gas giant whose diameter could expand as far as 
> > Earth's
> > orbit. Plus, some stars in this class can go nova.
> 
> I realize that.  Let's think a little bit about what the density of a 
> solar mass expanded to 100 million miles in diameter would be.
> 
> Ms = 2x10^30 kg.
> 
> 1 AU = R = 1.5*10^11 meters.
> 
> V = 4/3 *pi* R^3 = 1.4x10^34 m^3
> 
> That makes the AVERAGE density of the expanded sun about 0.14 g per 
> cubic meter.  The much thinner part out where the Earth is will be
> just a fraction of that.  
> 
> The Earth will be running into that very thin medium very fast, though, 
> about 15000 m/sec.  Each second, therefore, each square meter of the 
> Earth's cross section (approximately) will be decelerating 0.00014 kg of 
> mass by 15000 m/sec, which delivers a 2kg-m/sec impulse to the Earth.  
> You'd feel that wind, for sure, and it would be damn hot.
> 
> Multiply that by the cross section of the Earth (1.3x10^14) and you get
> an impulse of 2.6x10^14 kg-m/sec of impulse each second.  So each 
> second, this would slow the earth down by 
> 
> 2.6x10^14 kg-m/sec / 2x10^30 kg = 1.3x10^-16 m/sec.  
> 
> In a whole year, it would slow down by 4x10^-9 m/sec.  In a billion 
> years, that'd slow us down by 4 meters per second.
> 
> When the sun shrinks into a white dwarf at the end of its stellar 
> lifetime, the Earth will still be orbiting it, with a mass and velocity 
> not much different than they are now.
> 
> Unless I made a huge math error, which is possible.

Well, it looks like I DID make a huge math error.  Each second,
a square meter of Earth's cross-section will be decelerating 15000
times as much mass as I originally computed.  That brings the 
deceleration of the earth to 4x10^-9 x 15000 = 0.00006 m/sec each year.

The expected duration of the sun's red-giant phase is on the order of 
100 million years.  The earth will lose several thousand meters per 
second of speed due to passage through the sun.
years.

Hugh Gibbons wrote:
> 
> In article ,
>  Rich Travsky  wrote:
> 
> > Hugh Gibbons wrote:
> > >
> > > In article ,
> > >  Rich Travsky  wrote:
> > >
> > > > Bye bye for everyone. The planet will be destroyed.
> > > >
> > > > RT
> > >
> > > I see no reason to think the planet would be destroyed.
> >
> > The will become a red gas giant whose diameter could expand as far as Earth's
> > orbit. Plus, some stars in this class can go nova.
> 
> I realize that.  Let's think a little bit about what the density of a
> solar mass expanded to 100 million miles in diameter would be.
> 
> Ms = 2x10^30 kg.
> 
> 1 AU = R = 1.5*10^11 meters.
> 
> V = 4/3 *pi* R^3 = 1.4x10^34 m^3
> 
> That makes the AVERAGE density of the expanded sun about 0.14 g per
> cubic meter.  The much thinner part out where the Earth is will be
> just a fraction of that.
> 
> The Earth will be running into that very thin medium very fast, though,
> about 15000 m/sec.  Each second, therefore, each square meter of the
> Earth's cross section (approximately) will be decelerating 0.00014 kg of
> mass by 15000 m/sec, which delivers a 2kg-m/sec impulse to the Earth.
> You'd feel that wind, for sure, and it would be damn hot.
> 
> Multiply that by the cross section of the Earth (1.3x10^14) and you get
> an impulse of 2.6x10^14 kg-m/sec of impulse each second.  So each
> second, this would slow the earth down by
> 
> 2.6x10^14 kg-m/sec / 2x10^30 kg = 1.3x10^-16 m/sec.
> 
> In a whole year, it would slow down by 4x10^-9 m/sec.  In a billion
> years, that'd slow us down by 4 meters per second.
> 
> When the sun shrinks into a white dwarf at the end of its stellar
> lifetime, the Earth will still be orbiting it, with a mass and velocity
> not much different than they are now.
> 
> Unless I made a huge math error, which is possible.

Surface temp of a red giant is in the 300 to 3500K range, or below, depends
on the source. Plenty hot to fry and the proximity of the envelope means
a kingsize dose of radiation. And solar wind. Or any other kind of emission.

In article ,
 Rich Travsky  wrote:

> Hugh Gibbons wrote:
> > 
> > In article ,
> >  Rich Travsky  wrote:
> > 
> > > Hugh Gibbons wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In article ,
> > > >  Rich Travsky  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Bye bye for everyone. The planet will be destroyed.
> > > > >
> > > > > RT
> > > >
> > > > I see no reason to think the planet would be destroyed.
> > >
> > > The will become a red gas giant whose diameter could expand as far as 
> > > Earth's
> > > orbit. Plus, some stars in this class can go nova.
> > 
> > I realize that.  Let's think a little bit about what the density of a
> > solar mass expanded to 100 million miles in diameter would be.
> > 
> > Ms = 2x10^30 kg.
> > 
> > 1 AU = R = 1.5*10^11 meters.
> > 
> > V = 4/3 *pi* R^3 = 1.4x10^34 m^3
> > 
> > That makes the AVERAGE density of the expanded sun about 0.14 g per
> > cubic meter.  The much thinner part out where the Earth is will be
> > just a fraction of that.
> > 
> > The Earth will be running into that very thin medium very fast, though,
> > about 15000 m/sec.  Each second, therefore, each square meter of the
> > Earth's cross section (approximately) will be decelerating 0.00014 kg of
> > mass by 15000 m/sec, which delivers a 2kg-m/sec impulse to the Earth.
> > You'd feel that wind, for sure, and it would be damn hot.
> > 
> > Multiply that by the cross section of the Earth (1.3x10^14) and you get
> > an impulse of 2.6x10^14 kg-m/sec of impulse each second.  So each
> > second, this would slow the earth down by
> > 
> > 2.6x10^14 kg-m/sec / 2x10^30 kg = 1.3x10^-16 m/sec.
> > 
> > In a whole year, it would slow down by 4x10^-9 m/sec.  In a billion
> > years, that'd slow us down by 4 meters per second.
> > 
> > When the sun shrinks into a white dwarf at the end of its stellar
> > lifetime, the Earth will still be orbiting it, with a mass and velocity
> > not much different than they are now.
> > 
> > Unless I made a huge math error, which is possible.
> 
> Surface temp of a red giant is in the 300 to 3500K range, or below, depends
> on the source. Plenty hot to fry and the proximity of the envelope means
> a kingsize dose of radiation. And solar wind. Or any other kind of emission.

My post concerned whether the Earth can survive.  It can.  Whether 
people can survive on it is a different story.  People, if there were 
any left, which is extremely unlikely, would have to move to the outer 
planets if not the Kuiper belt.

CB wrote:
> "Rich Travsky"  wrote in message
> > CB wrote:
> >> "Rich Travsky"  wrote in message
> >> > CB wrote:
> >> >> "Rich Travsky"  wrote in message
> >> >> > CB wrote:
> >> >> >> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
> >> >> >> > grinder
> >> >> >> > at
> >> >> >> > seagle@earthlink.invalid, typed this:
> >> >> >> >> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
> >> >> >> >>> Truth-monger at truthmonger9@gmail.com, typed this:
> >> >> >> >>>> On Jul 14, 10:16 pm, "Andrealphus" 
> >> >> >> >>>> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>>> In News Tlfmi.27841$C96.17...@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net,,
> >> >> >> >>>>> Tom
> >> >> >> >>>>> Gardner at tom(nospam)@ohiobrush.com, typed this:
> >> >> >> >>>>>> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> sdr at sdrodr...@sdrodrian.com, typed this:
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> What Atheists Can't Answer
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> By Michael Gerson Friday, July 13, 2007;
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Page A17 Washington Post
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>   " Human nature, in other circumstances, is also
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>   clearly constructed for cruel exploitation,
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>   uncontrollable rage, icy selfishness and a range of
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>   other less desirable traits.
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>   So the dilemma is this: How do we choose between
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>   good and bad instincts? Theism,
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> Only children chose between good and bad out of fear of a
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> boogeyman, or all powerful, nonexistent sky pixie.  True
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> human
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> adults chose what is right because they know it is right.
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> Child
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> like theists will never understand that explanation.
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>> Interesting.  How do YOU choose what is right?
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>> By knowing what is right.   It's not a very hard concept.
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>  Education?  Instinct?
> >> >> >> >>>>>> Are you superior to all people that have a different belief
> >> >> >> >>>>>> system?
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>> I'm not a child, caught in a fear based religion, if that's
> >> >> >> >>>>> what
> >> >> >> >>>>> you mean.
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>> Maybe you should try and explain the murderous behavior of
> >> >> >> >>>> Islamists,
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> Theists are well known to have murderous behaviors.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> I have found that  "generally" the more religious a person is
> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> prone to hate.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Agreed, that has also been my observation.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> What I have observed 'is'...the more Liberals try to deny  Truth,
> >> >> >> Justice
> >> >> >> and accountability the more they justify acts of Evil which leads
> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> mental
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Says the guy who calls people "nigger" and lies about what the word
> >> >> > means...
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> instability. The more unstable, the more need for restraint by laws
> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> Psychotropic drugs.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Psychotropic drugs are the result of quack doctors trying to
> >> >> >> suppress
> >> >> >> Humanitarian conscience and guilt from moral depravity like
> >> >> >> Homosexuality
> >> >> >
> >> >> > HAHHAAHHA - You can, of course, cite something in support of such a
> >> >> > wild
> >> >> > claim?
> >> >>
> >> >> Of course
> >> >
> >> > Well then ->
> >> >
> >> > (silence)
> >>
> >> That's the sound of a girl answering your call
> >
> > It's the sound of you not able to back up your mouth.
> 
> You axed for it.
> 
> Pre-Introduction: A Warning Concerning the Use of Psychiatric Drugs
>             What Suffering Tells Us
> 
> ...
> Emotional suffering is inevitable in life. But is has a meaning - a purpose.
> Suffering is a signal that life matters. Specifically, it is usually a
> signal that something in our lives that matters a great deal needs to be
> addressed. Depression, guilt, anxiety, shame, chronic anger, emotional
> numbing - all of these reactions signal that something is amiss and requires
> special attention. The depth of suffering is a sign of the soul's desire for
> a better, more creative, more principled life.
> 
> For example, when faced with a patient in deep depression, should we
> immediately focus on relief of the pain? On the contrary, we should respond
> by saying that the pain is a signal of the intensity of the person's spirit:
> "The strength and intensity of your suffering indicates the strength and
> intensity of your spirit. Your discomfort shows how alive you are. Now
> imagine if you could learn to turn all that self-destructive energy into
> creative energy and a love of life."
> 
> The degree to which we suffer indicates the degree to which we are alive.
> When we take drugs to ease our suffering, we stifle our psychological and
> spiritual life...
> 
> http://www.michaeljournal.org/juvdm/your.drug.may.be.your.problem/page.01.html
> 
> Psychotropic drugs suppress life and the soul

This is not medical evidence.

Hugh Gibbons wrote:
> 
> In article ,
>  Rich Travsky  wrote:
> 
> > Hugh Gibbons wrote:
> > >
> > > In article ,
> > >  Rich Travsky  wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hugh Gibbons wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > In article ,
> > > > >  Rich Travsky  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Bye bye for everyone. The planet will be destroyed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > RT
> > > > >
> > > > > I see no reason to think the planet would be destroyed.
> > > >
> > > > The will become a red gas giant whose diameter could expand as far as
> > > > Earth's
> > > > orbit. Plus, some stars in this class can go nova.
> > >
> > > I realize that.  Let's think a little bit about what the density of a
> > > solar mass expanded to 100 million miles in diameter would be.
> > >
> > > Ms = 2x10^30 kg.
> > >
> > > 1 AU = R = 1.5*10^11 meters.
> > >
> > > V = 4/3 *pi* R^3 = 1.4x10^34 m^3
> > >
> > > That makes the AVERAGE density of the expanded sun about 0.14 g per
> > > cubic meter.  The much thinner part out where the Earth is will be
> > > just a fraction of that.
> > >
> > > The Earth will be running into that very thin medium very fast, though,
> > > about 15000 m/sec.  Each second, therefore, each square meter of the
> > > Earth's cross section (approximately) will be decelerating 0.00014 kg of
> > > mass by 15000 m/sec, which delivers a 2kg-m/sec impulse to the Earth.
> > > You'd feel that wind, for sure, and it would be damn hot.
> > >
> > > Multiply that by the cross section of the Earth (1.3x10^14) and you get
> > > an impulse of 2.6x10^14 kg-m/sec of impulse each second.  So each
> > > second, this would slow the earth down by
> > >
> > > 2.6x10^14 kg-m/sec / 2x10^30 kg = 1.3x10^-16 m/sec.
> > >
> > > In a whole year, it would slow down by 4x10^-9 m/sec.  In a billion
> > > years, that'd slow us down by 4 meters per second.
> > >
> > > When the sun shrinks into a white dwarf at the end of its stellar
> > > lifetime, the Earth will still be orbiting it, with a mass and velocity
> > > not much different than they are now.
> > >
> > > Unless I made a huge math error, which is possible.
> >
> > Surface temp of a red giant is in the 300 to 3500K range, or below, depends
> > on the source. Plenty hot to fry and the proximity of the envelope means
> > a kingsize dose of radiation. And solar wind. Or any other kind of emission.
> 
> My post concerned whether the Earth can survive.  It can.  Whether
> people can survive on it is a different story.  People, if there were
> any left, which is extremely unlikely, would have to move to the outer
> planets if not the Kuiper belt.

Deceleration of an orbiting body as per your earlier post would result in
a spiral inwards. That means increasing heat, radiation, and gravitational
forces. Not pretty.

RT

"Rich Travsky"  wrote in message 
news:46B5574A.7B3118A7@hotmMOVEail.com...
> CB wrote:
>> "Rich Travsky"  wrote in message
>> > CB wrote:
>> >> "Rich Travsky"  wrote in message
>> >> > CB wrote:
>> >> >> "Rich Travsky"  wrote in message
>> >> >> > CB wrote:
>> >> >> >> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
>> >> >> >> > grinder
>> >> >> >> > at
>> >> >> >> > seagle@earthlink.invalid, typed this:
>> >> >> >> >> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
>> >> >> >> >>> Truth-monger at truthmonger9@gmail.com, typed this:
>> >> >> >> >>>> On Jul 14, 10:16 pm, "Andrealphus" 
>> >> >> >> >>>> 
>> >> >> >> >>>> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>>>> In News Tlfmi.27841$C96.17...@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net,,
>> >> >> >> >>>>> Tom
>> >> >> >> >>>>> Gardner at tom(nospam)@ohiobrush.com, typed this:
>> >> >> >> >>>>>> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> sdr at sdrodr...@sdrodrian.com, typed this:
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> What Atheists Can't Answer
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> By Michael Gerson Friday, July 13, 2007;
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Page A17 Washington Post
>> >> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>   " Human nature, in other circumstances, is also
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>   clearly constructed for cruel exploitation,
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>   uncontrollable rage, icy selfishness and a range of
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>   other less desirable traits.
>> >> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>   So the dilemma is this: How do we choose between
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>   good and bad instincts? Theism,
>> >> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> Only children chose between good and bad out of fear of 
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> a
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> boogeyman, or all powerful, nonexistent sky pixie.  True
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> human
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> adults chose what is right because they know it is 
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> right.
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> Child
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> like theists will never understand that explanation.
>> >> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>> Interesting.  How do YOU choose what is right?
>> >> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>> By knowing what is right.   It's not a very hard concept.
>> >> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>  Education?  Instinct?
>> >> >> >> >>>>>> Are you superior to all people that have a different 
>> >> >> >> >>>>>> belief
>> >> >> >> >>>>>> system?
>> >> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>> I'm not a child, caught in a fear based religion, if 
>> >> >> >> >>>>> that's
>> >> >> >> >>>>> what
>> >> >> >> >>>>> you mean.
>> >> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>> Maybe you should try and explain the murderous behavior of
>> >> >> >> >>>> Islamists,
>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >>> Theists are well known to have murderous behaviors.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> I have found that  "generally" the more religious a person is
>> >> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> prone to hate.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Agreed, that has also been my observation.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> What I have observed 'is'...the more Liberals try to deny 
>> >> >> >> Truth,
>> >> >> >> Justice
>> >> >> >> and accountability the more they justify acts of Evil which 
>> >> >> >> leads
>> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> mental
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Says the guy who calls people "nigger" and lies about what the 
>> >> >> > word
>> >> >> > means...
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> instability. The more unstable, the more need for restraint by 
>> >> >> >> laws
>> >> >> >> and
>> >> >> >> Psychotropic drugs.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Psychotropic drugs are the result of quack doctors trying to
>> >> >> >> suppress
>> >> >> >> Humanitarian conscience and guilt from moral depravity like
>> >> >> >> Homosexuality
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > HAHHAAHHA - You can, of course, cite something in support of such 
>> >> >> > a
>> >> >> > wild
>> >> >> > claim?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Of course
>> >> >
>> >> > Well then ->
>> >> >
>> >> > (silence)
>> >>
>> >> That's the sound of a girl answering your call
>> >
>> > It's the sound of you not able to back up your mouth.
>>
>> You axed for it.
>>
>> Pre-Introduction: A Warning Concerning the Use of Psychiatric Drugs
>>             What Suffering Tells Us
>>
>> ...
>> Emotional suffering is inevitable in life. But is has a meaning - a 
>> purpose.
>> Suffering is a signal that life matters. Specifically, it is usually a
>> signal that something in our lives that matters a great deal needs to be
>> addressed. Depression, guilt, anxiety, shame, chronic anger, emotional
>> numbing - all of these reactions signal that something is amiss and 
>> requires
>> special attention. The depth of suffering is a sign of the soul's desire 
>> for
>> a better, more creative, more principled life.
>>
>> For example, when faced with a patient in deep depression, should we
>> immediately focus on relief of the pain? On the contrary, we should 
>> respond
>> by saying that the pain is a signal of the intensity of the person's 
>> spirit:
>> "The strength and intensity of your suffering indicates the strength and
>> intensity of your spirit. Your discomfort shows how alive you are. Now
>> imagine if you could learn to turn all that self-destructive energy into
>> creative energy and a love of life."
>>
>> The degree to which we suffer indicates the degree to which we are alive.
>> When we take drugs to ease our suffering, we stifle our psychological and
>> spiritual life...
>>
>> http://www.michaeljournal.org/juvdm/your.drug.may.be.your.problem/page.01.html
>>
>> Psychotropic drugs suppress life and the soul
>
> This is not medical evidence.

You have no soul so there wouldn't ever be

"Rich Travsky"  wrote in message 
news:46B2ADE2.5D116757@hotmMOVEail.com...
> Hugh Gibbons wrote:
>>
>> In article ,
>>  Rich Travsky  wrote:
>>
>> > Hugh Gibbons wrote:
>> > >
>> > > In article ,
>> > >  Rich Travsky  wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Bye bye for everyone. The planet will be destroyed.
>> > > >
>> > > > RT
>> > >
>> > > I see no reason to think the planet would be destroyed.
>> >
>> > The will become a red gas giant whose diameter could expand as far as 
>> > Earth's
>> > orbit. Plus, some stars in this class can go nova.
>>
>> I realize that.  Let's think a little bit about what the density of a
>> solar mass expanded to 100 million miles in diameter would be.
>>
>> Ms = 2x10^30 kg.
>>
>> 1 AU = R = 1.5*10^11 meters.
>>
>> V = 4/3 *pi* R^3 = 1.4x10^34 m^3
>>
>> That makes the AVERAGE density of the expanded sun about 0.14 g per
>> cubic meter.  The much thinner part out where the Earth is will be
>> just a fraction of that.
>>
>> The Earth will be running into that very thin medium very fast, though,
>> about 15000 m/sec.  Each second, therefore, each square meter of the
>> Earth's cross section (approximately) will be decelerating 0.00014 kg of
>> mass by 15000 m/sec, which delivers a 2kg-m/sec impulse to the Earth.
>> You'd feel that wind, for sure, and it would be damn hot.
>>
>> Multiply that by the cross section of the Earth (1.3x10^14) and you get
>> an impulse of 2.6x10^14 kg-m/sec of impulse each second.  So each
>> second, this would slow the earth down by
>>
>> 2.6x10^14 kg-m/sec / 2x10^30 kg = 1.3x10^-16 m/sec.
>>
>> In a whole year, it would slow down by 4x10^-9 m/sec.  In a billion
>> years, that'd slow us down by 4 meters per second.
>>
>> When the sun shrinks into a white dwarf at the end of its stellar
>> lifetime, the Earth will still be orbiting it, with a mass and velocity
>> not much different than they are now.
>>
>> Unless I made a huge math error, which is possible.
>
> Surface temp of a red giant is in the 300 to 3500K range, or below, 
> depends
> on the source. Plenty hot to fry and the proximity of the envelope means
> a kingsize dose of radiation. And solar wind. Or any other kind of 
> emission.

Yet Dimi-godz like AlGore think Earth climate is changing because of 
capitalism, chiefly America and her combustion engine.

CB wrote:
> "Rich Travsky"  wrote in message
> > CB wrote:
> >> "Rich Travsky"  wrote in message
> >> > CB wrote:
> >> >> "Rich Travsky"  wrote in message
> >> >> > CB wrote:
> >> >> >> "Rich Travsky"  wrote in message
> >> >> >> > CB wrote:
> >> >> >> >> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
> >> >> >> >> > grinder
> >> >> >> >> > at
> >> >> >> >> > seagle@earthlink.invalid, typed this:
> >> >> >> >> >> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
> >> >> >> >> >>> Truth-monger at truthmonger9@gmail.com, typed this:
> >> >> >> >> >>>> On Jul 14, 10:16 pm, "Andrealphus"
> >> >> >> >> >>>> 
> >> >> >> >> >>>> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >>>>> In News Tlfmi.27841$C96.17...@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net,,
> >> >> >> >> >>>>> Tom
> >> >> >> >> >>>>> Gardner at tom(nospam)@ohiobrush.com, typed this:
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> sdr at sdrodr...@sdrodrian.com, typed this:
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> What Atheists Can't Answer
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> By Michael Gerson Friday, July 13, 2007;
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Page A17 Washington Post
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>   " Human nature, in other circumstances, is also
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>   clearly constructed for cruel exploitation,
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>   uncontrollable rage, icy selfishness and a range of
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>   other less desirable traits.
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>   So the dilemma is this: How do we choose between
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>   good and bad instincts? Theism,
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> Only children chose between good and bad out of fear of
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> a
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> boogeyman, or all powerful, nonexistent sky pixie.  True
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> human
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> adults chose what is right because they know it is
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> right.
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> Child
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> like theists will never understand that explanation.
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> Interesting.  How do YOU choose what is right?
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >> >>>>> By knowing what is right.   It's not a very hard concept.
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>  Education?  Instinct?
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> Are you superior to all people that have a different
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> belief
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> system?
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >> >>>>> I'm not a child, caught in a fear based religion, if
> >> >> >> >> >>>>> that's
> >> >> >> >> >>>>> what
> >> >> >> >> >>>>> you mean.
> >> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >> >>>> Maybe you should try and explain the murderous behavior of
> >> >> >> >> >>>> Islamists,
> >> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >> >>> Theists are well known to have murderous behaviors.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> I have found that  "generally" the more religious a person is
> >> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> >> prone to hate.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Agreed, that has also been my observation.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> What I have observed 'is'...the more Liberals try to deny
> >> >> >> >> Truth,
> >> >> >> >> Justice
> >> >> >> >> and accountability the more they justify acts of Evil which
> >> >> >> >> leads
> >> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> >> mental
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Says the guy who calls people "nigger" and lies about what the
> >> >> >> > word
> >> >> >> > means...
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> instability. The more unstable, the more need for restraint by
> >> >> >> >> laws
> >> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> >> Psychotropic drugs.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Psychotropic drugs are the result of quack doctors trying to
> >> >> >> >> suppress
> >> >> >> >> Humanitarian conscience and guilt from moral depravity like
> >> >> >> >> Homosexuality
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > HAHHAAHHA - You can, of course, cite something in support of such
> >> >> >> > a
> >> >> >> > wild
> >> >> >> > claim?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Of course
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Well then ->
> >> >> >
> >> >> > (silence)
> >> >>
> >> >> That's the sound of a girl answering your call
> >> >
> >> > It's the sound of you not able to back up your mouth.
> >>
> >> You axed for it.
> >>
> >> Pre-Introduction: A Warning Concerning the Use of Psychiatric Drugs
> >>             What Suffering Tells Us
> >> ...
> >> Emotional suffering is inevitable in life. But is has a meaning - a
> >> purpose.
> >> Suffering is a signal that life matters. Specifically, it is usually a
> >> signal that something in our lives that matters a great deal needs to be
> >> addressed. Depression, guilt, anxiety, shame, chronic anger, emotional
> >> numbing - all of these reactions signal that something is amiss and
> >> requires
> >> special attention. The depth of suffering is a sign of the soul's desire
> >> for
> >> a better, more creative, more principled life.
> >>
> >> For example, when faced with a patient in deep depression, should we
> >> immediately focus on relief of the pain? On the contrary, we should
> >> respond
> >> by saying that the pain is a signal of the intensity of the person's
> >> spirit:
> >> "The strength and intensity of your suffering indicates the strength and
> >> intensity of your spirit. Your discomfort shows how alive you are. Now
> >> imagine if you could learn to turn all that self-destructive energy into
> >> creative energy and a love of life."
> >>
> >> The degree to which we suffer indicates the degree to which we are alive.
> >> When we take drugs to ease our suffering, we stifle our psychological and
> >> spiritual life...
> >>
> >> http://www.michaeljournal.org/juvdm/your.drug.may.be.your.problem/page.01.html
> >>
> >> Psychotropic drugs suppress life and the soul
> >
> > This is not medical evidence.
> 
> You have no soul so there wouldn't ever be

Medicine does not recognize superstition.  Cite actual medical evidence...

RT

CB wrote:
> "Rich Travsky"  wrote in message
> > Hugh Gibbons wrote:
> >>  Rich Travsky  wrote:
> >> > Hugh Gibbons wrote:
> >> > >  Rich Travsky  wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > Bye bye for everyone. The planet will be destroyed.
> >> > >
> >> > > I see no reason to think the planet would be destroyed.
> >> >
> >> > The will become a red gas giant whose diameter could expand as far as
> >> > Earth's
> >> > orbit. Plus, some stars in this class can go nova.
> >>
> >> I realize that.  Let's think a little bit about what the density of a
> >> solar mass expanded to 100 million miles in diameter would be.
> >>
> >> Ms = 2x10^30 kg.
> >>
> >> 1 AU = R = 1.5*10^11 meters.
> >>
> >> V = 4/3 *pi* R^3 = 1.4x10^34 m^3
> >>
> >> That makes the AVERAGE density of the expanded sun about 0.14 g per
> >> cubic meter.  The much thinner part out where the Earth is will be
> >> just a fraction of that.
> >>
> >> The Earth will be running into that very thin medium very fast, though,
> >> about 15000 m/sec.  Each second, therefore, each square meter of the
> >> Earth's cross section (approximately) will be decelerating 0.00014 kg of
> >> mass by 15000 m/sec, which delivers a 2kg-m/sec impulse to the Earth.
> >> You'd feel that wind, for sure, and it would be damn hot.
> >>
> >> Multiply that by the cross section of the Earth (1.3x10^14) and you get
> >> an impulse of 2.6x10^14 kg-m/sec of impulse each second.  So each
> >> second, this would slow the earth down by
> >>
> >> 2.6x10^14 kg-m/sec / 2x10^30 kg = 1.3x10^-16 m/sec.
> >>
> >> In a whole year, it would slow down by 4x10^-9 m/sec.  In a billion
> >> years, that'd slow us down by 4 meters per second.
> >>
> >> When the sun shrinks into a white dwarf at the end of its stellar
> >> lifetime, the Earth will still be orbiting it, with a mass and velocity
> >> not much different than they are now.
> >>
> >> Unless I made a huge math error, which is possible.
> >
> > Surface temp of a red giant is in the 300 to 3500K range, or below,
> > depends
> > on the source. Plenty hot to fry and the proximity of the envelope means
> > a kingsize dose of radiation. And solar wind. Or any other kind of
> > emission.
> 
> Yet Dimi-godz like AlGore think Earth climate is changing because of
> capitalism, chiefly America and her combustion engine.

Oh look, CB has no concept of something happening billions of years into the
future. Fits in with his belief that Satan controls the weather.

RT

In article ,
 Rich Travsky  wrote:

> CB wrote:
> > You have no soul so there wouldn't ever be
> 
> Medicine does not recognize superstition.  Cite actual medical evidence...
> 
He just stated that there can't be.  Since you have no soul and are
a human being, this means that a soul is not a universal property of
human beings.  I suppose it's possible that CB might have one even if 
you don't.  But he can't prove it, or even demonstrate it to a level
that would withstand cursory examination.

Hugh Gibbons wrote:
> 
> In article ,
>  Rich Travsky  wrote:
> 
> > CB wrote:
> > > You have no soul so there wouldn't ever be
> >
> > Medicine does not recognize superstition.  Cite actual medical evidence...
> >
> He just stated that there can't be.  Since you have no soul and are

can't be? How convenient... ;)

> a human being, this means that a soul is not a universal property of
> human beings.  I suppose it's possible that CB might have one even if
> you don't.  But he can't prove it, or even demonstrate it to a level
> that would withstand cursory examination.

In News 1184463200.693358.151820@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com,, sdr at 
sdrodrian@sdrodrian.com, typed this:

> What Atheists Can't Answer
> By Michael Gerson Friday, July 13, 2007;
> Page A17 Washington Post
>
>   " Human nature, in other circumstances, is also
>   clearly constructed for cruel exploitation,
>   uncontrollable rage, icy selfishness and a range of
>   other less desirable traits.
>
>   So the dilemma is this: How do we choose between
>   good and bad instincts? Theism,

Only children chose between good and bad out of fear of a boogeyman, or all 
powerful, nonexistent sky pixie.  True human adults chose what is right 
because they know it is right.   Child like theists will never understand 
that explanation.

"Andrealphus"  wrote in message 
news:uWemi.7563$tj6.1262@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> In News 1184463200.693358.151820@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com,, sdr at 
> sdrodrian@sdrodrian.com, typed this:
>
>> What Atheists Can't Answer
>> By Michael Gerson Friday, July 13, 2007;
>> Page A17 Washington Post
>>
>>   " Human nature, in other circumstances, is also
>>   clearly constructed for cruel exploitation,
>>   uncontrollable rage, icy selfishness and a range of
>>   other less desirable traits.
>>
>>   So the dilemma is this: How do we choose between
>>   good and bad instincts? Theism,
>
> Only children chose between good and bad out of fear of a boogeyman, or 
> all powerful, nonexistent sky pixie.  True human adults chose what is 
> right because they know it is right.   Child like theists will never 
> understand that explanation.

Interesting.  How do YOU choose what is right?  Education?  Instinct?  Are 
you superior to all people that have a different belief system?

In News Tlfmi.27841$C96.17756@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net,, Tom Gardner at 
tom(nospam)@ohiobrush.com, typed this:

> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
> news:uWemi.7563$tj6.1262@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>> In News 1184463200.693358.151820@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com,, sdr
>> at sdrodrian@sdrodrian.com, typed this:
>>
>>> What Atheists Can't Answer
>>> By Michael Gerson Friday, July 13, 2007;
>>> Page A17 Washington Post
>>>
>>>   " Human nature, in other circumstances, is also
>>>   clearly constructed for cruel exploitation,
>>>   uncontrollable rage, icy selfishness and a range of
>>>   other less desirable traits.
>>>
>>>   So the dilemma is this: How do we choose between
>>>   good and bad instincts? Theism,
>>
>> Only children chose between good and bad out of fear of a boogeyman,
>> or all powerful, nonexistent sky pixie.  True human adults chose
>> what is right because they know it is right.   Child like theists
>> will never understand that explanation.
>
> Interesting.  How do YOU choose what is right?

By knowing what is right.   It's not a very hard concept.

>  Education?  Instinct?
> Are you superior to all people that have a different belief system?

I'm not a child, caught in a fear based religion, if that's what you mean.

On Jul 14, 9:40 pm, "Andrealphus"  wrote:
> In News 1184463200.693358.151...@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com,, sdr at
> sdrodr...@sdrodrian.com, typed this:
>
> > What Atheists Can't Answer
> > By Michael Gerson Friday, July 13, 2007;
> > Page A17 Washington Post
>
> >   " Human nature, in other circumstances, is also
> >   clearly constructed for cruel exploitation,
> >   uncontrollable rage, icy selfishness and a range of
> >   other less desirable traits.
>
> >   So the dilemma is this: How do we choose between
> >   good and bad instincts? Theism,
>
> Only children chose between good and bad out of fear of a boogeyman, or all
> powerful, nonexistent sky pixie.  True human adults chose what is right
> because they know it is right.   Child like theists will never understand
> that explanation.

And where does the basics come from?  Is there a foundation, or will
you ignore this like all dopey Darwin athiests?

On Jul 14, 10:16 pm, "Andrealphus"  wrote:
> In News Tlfmi.27841$C96.17...@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net,, Tom Gardner at
> tom(nospam)@ohiobrush.com, typed this:
>
>
>
> > "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
> >news:uWemi.7563$tj6.1262@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> >> In News 1184463200.693358.151...@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com,, sdr
> >> at sdrodr...@sdrodrian.com, typed this:
>
> >>> What Atheists Can't Answer
> >>> By Michael Gerson Friday, July 13, 2007;
> >>> Page A17 Washington Post
>
> >>>   " Human nature, in other circumstances, is also
> >>>   clearly constructed for cruel exploitation,
> >>>   uncontrollable rage, icy selfishness and a range of
> >>>   other less desirable traits.
>
> >>>   So the dilemma is this: How do we choose between
> >>>   good and bad instincts? Theism,
>
> >> Only children chose between good and bad out of fear of a boogeyman,
> >> or all powerful, nonexistent sky pixie.  True human adults chose
> >> what is right because they know it is right.   Child like theists
> >> will never understand that explanation.
>
> > Interesting.  How do YOU choose what is right?
>
> By knowing what is right.   It's not a very hard concept.
>
> >  Education?  Instinct?
> > Are you superior to all people that have a different belief system?
>
> I'm not a child, caught in a fear based religion, if that's what you mean.

Maybe you should try and explain the murderous behavior of Islamists,
and the severe hatred of Jews over all other "infidels", and why they
use suicide bombs.  They believe in "something" evil, and nothingness
isn't any better......

Study your books.  You book people are sooooo smart, just like the
book people in the global warming field.  Soooo pinched in the books
to see the reality.

Pitiful college education gets yer head stuck in a folder mentality.

In News 1184469277.374463.112020@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com,, Truth-monger 
at truthmonger9@gmail.com, typed this:

> On Jul 14, 9:40 pm, "Andrealphus"  wrote:
>> In News 1184463200.693358.151...@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com,, sdr
>> at sdrodr...@sdrodrian.com, typed this:
>>
>>> What Atheists Can't Answer
>>> By Michael Gerson Friday, July 13, 2007;
>>> Page A17 Washington Post
>>
>>>   " Human nature, in other circumstances, is also
>>>   clearly constructed for cruel exploitation,
>>>   uncontrollable rage, icy selfishness and a range of
>>>   other less desirable traits.
>>
>>>   So the dilemma is this: How do we choose between
>>>   good and bad instincts? Theism,
>>
>> Only children chose between good and bad out of fear of a boogeyman,
>> or all powerful, nonexistent sky pixie.  True human adults chose
>> what is right because they know it is right.   Child like theists
>> will never understand that explanation.
>
> And where does the basics come from?

Do you need "basics" to know that it is wrong to murder someone?   I suppose 
that if it was somehow, as unlikely as it is, proven t00% that God does not 
exist, all Christians will go on a murdering rampage?  I mean, again, right?

>  Is there a foundation,

Common sense and empathy, which are both sorely lacking in Theists.

In News 1184469539.401467.192030@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com,, Truth-monger 
at truthmonger9@gmail.com, typed this:

> On Jul 14, 10:16 pm, "Andrealphus"  wrote:
>> In News Tlfmi.27841$C96.17...@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net,, Tom
>> Gardner at tom(nospam)@ohiobrush.com, typed this:
>>
>>
>>
>>> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
>>> news:uWemi.7563$tj6.1262@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>>> In News 1184463200.693358.151...@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com,, sdr
>>>> at sdrodr...@sdrodrian.com, typed this:
>>
>>>>> What Atheists Can't Answer
>>>>> By Michael Gerson Friday, July 13, 2007;
>>>>> Page A17 Washington Post
>>
>>>>>   " Human nature, in other circumstances, is also
>>>>>   clearly constructed for cruel exploitation,
>>>>>   uncontrollable rage, icy selfishness and a range of
>>>>>   other less desirable traits.
>>
>>>>>   So the dilemma is this: How do we choose between
>>>>>   good and bad instincts? Theism,
>>
>>>> Only children chose between good and bad out of fear of a
>>>> boogeyman, or all powerful, nonexistent sky pixie.  True human
>>>> adults chose what is right because they know it is right.   Child
>>>> like theists will never understand that explanation.
>>
>>> Interesting.  How do YOU choose what is right?
>>
>> By knowing what is right.   It's not a very hard concept.
>>
>>>  Education?  Instinct?
>>> Are you superior to all people that have a different belief system?
>>
>> I'm not a child, caught in a fear based religion, if that's what you
>> mean.
>
> Maybe you should try and explain the murderous behavior of Islamists,

Theists are well known to have murderous behaviors.  The various Christian 
sects spent their first 1,500 years or so murdering and forcing people to 
convert all over Europe, Later the Americas, and Austrialia.  Fortunately, 
most Western Governments have extricated them from state power, at least for 
now.   Otherwise, they'd still be up to their old tricks.


> and the severe hatred of Jews over all other "infidels", and why they
> use suicide bombs.  They believe in "something" evil, and nothingness
> isn't any better......

They're Theists.  Theist have long used their make believe Gods to justify 
all manner of horror.  It's certainly nothing new.

>
> Study your books.

I have. I've also studied your one book.


> You book people are sooooo smart, just like the
> book people in the global warming field.  Soooo pinched in the books
> to see the reality.

And the reality is?  Well, now we're back to not needing a celestial 
sky-pixie to teach me right from wrong.  Why don't you explain to all the 
world why you have such a need?

>
> Pitiful college education gets yer head stuck in a folder mentality.

Professed ignorance gets your head stuck in your own ass.

In article <Tlfmi.27841$C96.17756@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net>,
 "Tom Gardner" <tom(nospam)@ohiobrush.com> wrote:

> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message 
> news:uWemi.7563$tj6.1262@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> > In News 1184463200.693358.151820@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com,, sdr at 
> > sdrodrian@sdrodrian.com, typed this:
> >
> >> What Atheists Can't Answer
> >> By Michael Gerson Friday, July 13, 2007;
> >> Page A17 Washington Post
> >>
> >>   " Human nature, in other circumstances, is also
> >>   clearly constructed for cruel exploitation,
> >>   uncontrollable rage, icy selfishness and a range of
> >>   other less desirable traits.
> >>
> >>   So the dilemma is this: How do we choose between
> >>   good and bad instincts? Theism,
> >
> > Only children chose between good and bad out of fear of a boogeyman, or 
> > all powerful, nonexistent sky pixie.  True human adults chose what is 
> > right because they know it is right.   Child like theists will never 
> > understand that explanation.
> 
> Interesting.  How do YOU choose what is right?  Education?  Instinct?  Are 
> you superior to all people that have a different belief system? 

Both instinct and education play their parts in determining all kinds of 
human behavior.

"Andrealphus"  wrote in message 
news:Vngmi.7591$tj6.1546@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> In News 1184469277.374463.112020@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com,, 
> Truth-monger at truthmonger9@gmail.com, typed this:
>
>> On Jul 14, 9:40 pm, "Andrealphus"  wrote:
>>> In News 1184463200.693358.151...@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com,, sdr
>>> at sdrodr...@sdrodrian.com, typed this:
>>>
>>>> What Atheists Can't Answer
>>>> By Michael Gerson Friday, July 13, 2007;
>>>> Page A17 Washington Post
>>>
>>>>   " Human nature, in other circumstances, is also
>>>>   clearly constructed for cruel exploitation,
>>>>   uncontrollable rage, icy selfishness and a range of
>>>>   other less desirable traits.
>>>
>>>>   So the dilemma is this: How do we choose between
>>>>   good and bad instincts? Theism,
>>>
>>> Only children chose between good and bad out of fear of a boogeyman,
>>> or all powerful, nonexistent sky pixie.  True human adults chose
>>> what is right because they know it is right.   Child like theists
>>> will never understand that explanation.
>>
>> And where does the basics come from?
>
> Do you need "basics" to know that it is wrong to murder someone?   I 
> suppose that if it was somehow, as unlikely as it is, proven t00% that God 
> does not exist, all Christians will go on a murdering rampage?  I mean, 
> again, right?
>
>>  Is there a foundation,
>
> Common sense and empathy, which are both sorely lacking in Theists.
>
>

Theists don't want to acjnowledge it, but all secies have a basic sense of 
"morals" built into their genes.

Look at the coopperation emperor penguins employ to raise thir young. Do 
they have a theology telling them to share body heat?

This sense of cooperation can be highly developed, as in the higher apes, or 
little more than maternal instinct, as in crocodiles. But it is indisputably 
there.

Larry

>

In News f7cftc$ial$1@news04.infoave.net,, Larry Hewitt at 
larryhewi@comporium.net, typed this:

> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
> news:Vngmi.7591$tj6.1546@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>> In News 1184469277.374463.112020@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com,,
>> Truth-monger at truthmonger9@gmail.com, typed this:
>>
>>> On Jul 14, 9:40 pm, "Andrealphus"  wrote:
>>>> In News 1184463200.693358.151...@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com,, sdr
>>>> at sdrodr...@sdrodrian.com, typed this:
>>>>
>>>>> What Atheists Can't Answer
>>>>> By Michael Gerson Friday, July 13, 2007;
>>>>> Page A17 Washington Post
>>>>
>>>>>   " Human nature, in other circumstances, is also
>>>>>   clearly constructed for cruel exploitation,
>>>>>   uncontrollable rage, icy selfishness and a range of
>>>>>   other less desirable traits.
>>>>
>>>>>   So the dilemma is this: How do we choose between
>>>>>   good and bad instincts? Theism,
>>>>
>>>> Only children chose between good and bad out of fear of a
>>>> boogeyman, or all powerful, nonexistent sky pixie.  True human
>>>> adults chose what is right because they know it is right.   Child
>>>> like theists will never understand that explanation.
>>>
>>> And where does the basics come from?
>>
>> Do you need "basics" to know that it is wrong to murder someone?   I
>> suppose that if it was somehow, as unlikely as it is, proven t00%
>> that God does not exist, all Christians will go on a murdering
>> rampage?  I mean, again, right?
>>
>>>  Is there a foundation,
>>
>> Common sense and empathy, which are both sorely lacking in Theists.
>>
>>
>
> Theists don't want to acjnowledge it, but all secies have a basic
> sense of "morals" built into their genes.
>
> Look at the coopperation emperor penguins employ to raise thir young.
> Do they have a theology telling them to share body heat?
>
> This sense of cooperation can be highly developed, as in the higher
> apes, or little more than maternal instinct, as in crocodiles. But it
> is indisputably there.
>
> Larry

I agree.

"sdr"  wrote in message 
news:1184463200.693358.151820@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> What Atheists Can't Answer
> By Michael Gerson Friday, July 13, 2007;
> Page A17 Washington Post
>
>   " Human nature, in other circumstances, is also
>   clearly constructed for cruel exploitation,
>   uncontrollable rage, icy selfishness and a range of
>   other less desirable traits.
>
>   So the dilemma is this: How do we choose between
>   good and bad instincts?

A good instinct of mine is not to put my hand on a hot stove or step in 
front of a moving train.  Yet for the life of me I don't remember Jesus ever 
telling me not to.  Of course if I had not LEARNED that instinct I would 
either have a fried hand or not be writing this right now.

Man-made religion had nothing to do with it.

"Andrealphus"  wrote in message 
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> In News 1184469539.401467.192030@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com,, 
> Truth-monger at truthmonger9@gmail.com, typed this:
>
>> On Jul 14, 10:16 pm, "Andrealphus"  wrote:
>>> In News Tlfmi.27841$C96.17...@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net,, Tom
>>> Gardner at tom(nospam)@ohiobrush.com, typed this:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
>>>> news:uWemi.7563$tj6.1262@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>>>> In News 1184463200.693358.151...@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com,, sdr
>>>>> at sdrodr...@sdrodrian.com, typed this:
>>>
>>>>>> What Atheists Can't Answer
>>>>>> By Michael Gerson Friday, July 13, 2007;
>>>>>> Page A17 Washington Post
>>>
>>>>>>   " Human nature, in other circumstances, is also
>>>>>>   clearly constructed for cruel exploitation,
>>>>>>   uncontrollable rage, icy selfishness and a range of
>>>>>>   other less desirable traits.
>>>
>>>>>>   So the dilemma is this: How do we choose between
>>>>>>   good and bad instincts? Theism,
>>>
>>>>> Only children chose between good and bad out of fear of a
>>>>> boogeyman, or all powerful, nonexistent sky pixie.  True human
>>>>> adults chose what is right because they know it is right.   Child
>>>>> like theists will never understand that explanation.
>>>
>>>> Interesting.  How do YOU choose what is right?
>>>
>>> By knowing what is right.   It's not a very hard concept.
>>>
>>>>  Education?  Instinct?
>>>> Are you superior to all people that have a different belief system?
>>>
>>> I'm not a child, caught in a fear based religion, if that's what you
>>> mean.
>>
>> Maybe you should try and explain the murderous behavior of Islamists,
>
> Theists are well known to have murderous behaviors.

I have found that  "generally" the more religious a person is the prone to 
hate.

If God sees evil and injustice but cannot do anything about it, he/she is 
not omipotent.

If God sees evil and injustice but choses not do to anything about it, 
he/she is manevolent.

If god does not see evil and injustice he/she is not omiscient.

In News 2Bsmi.7907$Od7.5422@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net,, grinder at 
seagle@earthlink.invalid, typed this:

> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
> news:4tgmi.7593$tj6.6665@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>> In News 1184469539.401467.192030@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com,,
>> Truth-monger at truthmonger9@gmail.com, typed this:
>>
>>> On Jul 14, 10:16 pm, "Andrealphus"  wrote:
>>>> In News Tlfmi.27841$C96.17...@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net,, Tom
>>>> Gardner at tom(nospam)@ohiobrush.com, typed this:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:uWemi.7563$tj6.1262@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>>>>> In News 1184463200.693358.151...@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com,,
>>>>>> sdr at sdrodr...@sdrodrian.com, typed this:
>>>>
>>>>>>> What Atheists Can't Answer
>>>>>>> By Michael Gerson Friday, July 13, 2007;
>>>>>>> Page A17 Washington Post
>>>>
>>>>>>>   " Human nature, in other circumstances, is also
>>>>>>>   clearly constructed for cruel exploitation,
>>>>>>>   uncontrollable rage, icy selfishness and a range of
>>>>>>>   other less desirable traits.
>>>>
>>>>>>>   So the dilemma is this: How do we choose between
>>>>>>>   good and bad instincts? Theism,
>>>>
>>>>>> Only children chose between good and bad out of fear of a
>>>>>> boogeyman, or all powerful, nonexistent sky pixie.  True human
>>>>>> adults chose what is right because they know it is right.   Child
>>>>>> like theists will never understand that explanation.
>>>>
>>>>> Interesting.  How do YOU choose what is right?
>>>>
>>>> By knowing what is right.   It's not a very hard concept.
>>>>
>>>>>  Education?  Instinct?
>>>>> Are you superior to all people that have a different belief
>>>>> system?
>>>>
>>>> I'm not a child, caught in a fear based religion, if that's what
>>>> you mean.
>>>
>>> Maybe you should try and explain the murderous behavior of
>>> Islamists,
>>
>> Theists are well known to have murderous behaviors.
>
> I have found that  "generally" the more religious a person is the
> prone to hate.

Agreed, that has also been my observation.

On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:13:34 GMT, "grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid>
wrote:


>I have found that  "generally" the more religious a person is the prone to 
>hate. 
>

Then quit finding these people. There is the vast majority of persons
who live by religious principles who don't hate.

DCI

"Andrealphus"  wrote in message 
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> In News 2Bsmi.7907$Od7.5422@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net,, grinder at 
> seagle@earthlink.invalid, typed this:
>
>> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
>> news:4tgmi.7593$tj6.6665@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>> In News 1184469539.401467.192030@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com,,
>>> Truth-monger at truthmonger9@gmail.com, typed this:
>>>
>>>> On Jul 14, 10:16 pm, "Andrealphus"  wrote:
>>>>> In News Tlfmi.27841$C96.17...@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net,, Tom
>>>>> Gardner at tom(nospam)@ohiobrush.com, typed this:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
>>>>>> news:uWemi.7563$tj6.1262@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>>>>>> In News 1184463200.693358.151...@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com,,
>>>>>>> sdr at sdrodr...@sdrodrian.com, typed this:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What Atheists Can't Answer
>>>>>>>> By Michael Gerson Friday, July 13, 2007;
>>>>>>>> Page A17 Washington Post
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   " Human nature, in other circumstances, is also
>>>>>>>>   clearly constructed for cruel exploitation,
>>>>>>>>   uncontrollable rage, icy selfishness and a range of
>>>>>>>>   other less desirable traits.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   So the dilemma is this: How do we choose between
>>>>>>>>   good and bad instincts? Theism,
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Only children chose between good and bad out of fear of a
>>>>>>> boogeyman, or all powerful, nonexistent sky pixie.  True human
>>>>>>> adults chose what is right because they know it is right.   Child
>>>>>>> like theists will never understand that explanation.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Interesting.  How do YOU choose what is right?
>>>>>
>>>>> By knowing what is right.   It's not a very hard concept.
>>>>>
>>>>>>  Education?  Instinct?
>>>>>> Are you superior to all people that have a different belief
>>>>>> system?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not a child, caught in a fear based religion, if that's what
>>>>> you mean.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe you should try and explain the murderous behavior of
>>>> Islamists,
>>>
>>> Theists are well known to have murderous behaviors.
>>
>> I have found that  "generally" the more religious a person is the
>> prone to hate.
>
> Agreed, that has also been my observation.
>

What I have observed 'is'...the more Liberals try to deny  Truth, Justice 
and accountability the more they justify acts of Evil which leads to mental 
instability. The more unstable, the more need for restraint by laws and 
Psychotropic drugs.

Psychotropic drugs are the result of quack doctors trying to suppress 
Humanitarian conscience and guilt from moral depravity like Homosexuality
-- 
CB
http://www.biblegateway.com/resources/commentaries/?action=getCommentaryText&cid=37&source=2&seq=i.24.13.24
Spare the rod, spoil the child
(listen to the end 2:26).

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never@million, typed this:

> On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:13:34 GMT, "grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>
>> I have found that  "generally" the more religious a person is the
>> prone to hate.
>>
>
> Then quit finding these people. There is the vast majority of persons
> who live by religious principles who don't hate.
>
> DCI

So tell us, why do the 'vast majority" of those you say live by religious 
principles that don't hate, support the people that live by religious 
principles that do hate?

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typed this:

> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
> news:6ftmi.7919$Od7.7562@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>> In News 2Bsmi.7907$Od7.5422@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net,,
>> grinder at seagle@earthlink.invalid, typed this:
>>
>>> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
>>> news:4tgmi.7593$tj6.6665@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>>> In News 1184469539.401467.192030@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com,,
>>>> Truth-monger at truthmonger9@gmail.com, typed this:
>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 14, 10:16 pm, "Andrealphus" 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> In News Tlfmi.27841$C96.17...@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net,, Tom
>>>>>> Gardner at tom(nospam)@ohiobrush.com, typed this:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:uWemi.7563$tj6.1262@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>>>>>>> In News 1184463200.693358.151...@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com,,
>>>>>>>> sdr at sdrodr...@sdrodrian.com, typed this:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What Atheists Can't Answer
>>>>>>>>> By Michael Gerson Friday, July 13, 2007;
>>>>>>>>> Page A17 Washington Post
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   " Human nature, in other circumstances, is also
>>>>>>>>>   clearly constructed for cruel exploitation,
>>>>>>>>>   uncontrollable rage, icy selfishness and a range of
>>>>>>>>>   other less desirable traits.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   So the dilemma is this: How do we choose between
>>>>>>>>>   good and bad instincts? Theism,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Only children chose between good and bad out of fear of a
>>>>>>>> boogeyman, or all powerful, nonexistent sky pixie.  True human
>>>>>>>> adults chose what is right because they know it is right.  Child 
>>>>>>>> like theists will never understand that explanation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Interesting.  How do YOU choose what is right?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> By knowing what is right.   It's not a very hard concept.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Education?  Instinct?
>>>>>>> Are you superior to all people that have a different belief
>>>>>>> system?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not a child, caught in a fear based religion, if that's what
>>>>>> you mean.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe you should try and explain the murderous behavior of
>>>>> Islamists,
>>>>
>>>> Theists are well known to have murderous behaviors.
>>>
>>> I have found that  "generally" the more religious a person is the
>>> prone to hate.
>>
>> Agreed, that has also been my observation.
>>
>
> What I have observed 'is'...the more Liberals try to deny  Truth,
> Justice and accountability

LOL!  A conservative that spouts lines like this has no credibility. 
Truth?  Justice?  Accountability?   These terms have been foriegn to the 
current lot and brand of religious conservative for a long time now.    What 
you really want to say is that the Liberals should be held to these 
standards, but not the Conservatives.

"grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message 
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>
> "sdr"  wrote in message 
> news:1184463200.693358.151820@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>> What Atheists Can't Answer
>> By Michael Gerson Friday, July 13, 2007;
>> Page A17 Washington Post
>>
>>   " Human nature, in other circumstances, is also
>>   clearly constructed for cruel exploitation,
>>   uncontrollable rage, icy selfishness and a range of
>>   other less desirable traits.
>>
>>   So the dilemma is this: How do we choose between
>>   good and bad instincts?
>
> A good instinct of mine is not to put my hand on a hot stove or step in 
> front of a moving train.  Yet for the life of me I don't remember Jesus 
> ever telling me not to.  Of course if I had not LEARNED that instinct I 
> would either have a fried hand or not be writing this right now.
>
> Man-made religion had nothing to do with it.

How do homosexual men justify a lifestyle that reeks of feces?

Common sence would tell ya its nasty butt it doesn't stop them.

Does lust blind the morally weak to the point of indangering their health?

"The Band Played On" - The story of how HIV/AIDS spread through the Homo 
community and Politically Correct politicians like former Mayor Diane 
Feinstein let it happen.
-- 
CB
America needs Michael Savage to be her Media General
http://www.homestead.com/prosites-prs/index.html

"grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message 
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> If God sees evil and injustice but cannot do anything about it, he/she is 
> not omipotent.
>
> If God sees evil and injustice but choses not do to anything about it, 
> he/she is manevolent.
>
> If god does not see evil and injustice he/she is not omiscient.
>

There goes the freedom of free choice

"Andrealphus"  wrote in message 
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> In News bepk9354i77p17l16itpnrrsciv9elghc9@4ax.com,, never@million at 
> never@million, typed this:
>
>> On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:13:34 GMT, "grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I have found that  "generally" the more religious a person is the
>>> prone to hate.
>>>
>>
>> Then quit finding these people. There is the vast majority of persons
>> who live by religious principles who don't hate.
>>
>> DCI
>
> So tell us, why do the 'vast majority" of those you say live by religious 
> principles that don't hate, support the people that live by religious 
> principles that do hate?

Why do you beat your wife you 'loud peacock?'

>
>

In News 469a72fb$0$31212$4c368faf@roadrunner.com,, CB at CB@PrayForMe.com, 
typed this:

> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
> news:UJtmi.7717$tj6.3664@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>> In News bepk9354i77p17l16itpnrrsciv9elghc9@4ax.com,, never@million at
>> never@million, typed this:
>>
>>> On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:13:34 GMT, "grinder"
>>> <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I have found that  "generally" the more religious a person is the
>>>> prone to hate.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Then quit finding these people. There is the vast majority of
>>> persons who live by religious principles who don't hate.
>>>
>>> DCI
>>
>> So tell us, why do the 'vast majority" of those you say live by
>> religious principles that don't hate, support the people that live
>> by religious principles that do hate?
>
> Why do you beat your wife you 'loud peacock?'

No, I beat your wife.  She bet that I couldn't make her any uglier, so far 
she's won the bet.  Why is it that you Christofascists can never just answer 
a question with an honest answer?

"Andrealphus"  wrote in message 
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> In News 469a72fb$0$31212$4c368faf@roadrunner.com,, CB at CB@PrayForMe.com, 
> typed this:
>
>> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
>> news:UJtmi.7717$tj6.3664@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>> In News bepk9354i77p17l16itpnrrsciv9elghc9@4ax.com,, never@million at
>>> never@million, typed this:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:13:34 GMT, "grinder"
>>>> <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I have found that  "generally" the more religious a person is the
>>>>> prone to hate.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Then quit finding these people. There is the vast majority of
>>>> persons who live by religious principles who don't hate.
>>>>
>>>> DCI
>>>
>>> So tell us, why do the 'vast majority" of those you say live by
>>> religious principles that don't hate, support the people that live
>>> by religious principles that do hate?
>>
>> Why do you beat your wife you 'loud peacock?'
>
> No, I beat your wife.  She bet that I couldn't make her any uglier, so far 
> she's won the bet.  Why is it that you Christofascists can never just 
> answer a question with an honest answer?

Why is it that your legion smell like rotting fish?

In News 469a8248$0$12229$4c368faf@roadrunner.com,, CB at CB@PrayForMe.com, 
typed this:

> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
> news:duumi.7731$tj6.5742@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>> In News 469a72fb$0$31212$4c368faf@roadrunner.com,, CB at
>> CB@PrayForMe.com, typed this:
>>
>>> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
>>> news:UJtmi.7717$tj6.3664@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>>> In News bepk9354i77p17l16itpnrrsciv9elghc9@4ax.com,, never@million
>>>> at never@million, typed this:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:13:34 GMT, "grinder"
>>>>> <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have found that  "generally" the more religious a person is the
>>>>>> prone to hate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Then quit finding these people. There is the vast majority of
>>>>> persons who live by religious principles who don't hate.
>>>>>
>>>>> DCI
>>>>
>>>> So tell us, why do the 'vast majority" of those you say live by
>>>> religious principles that don't hate, support the people that live
>>>> by religious principles that do hate?
>>>
>>> Why do you beat your wife you 'loud peacock?'
>>
>> No, I beat your wife.  She bet that I couldn't make her any uglier,
>> so far she's won the bet.  Why is it that you Christofascists can
>> never just answer a question with an honest answer?
>
> Why is it that your legion smell like rotting fish?

That would be your upper lip, CB.   LOL!  Again, no honest answers coming 
from the Christofascists.  No suprise.

"Andrealphus"  wrote in message 
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> In News 469a8248$0$12229$4c368faf@roadrunner.com,, CB at CB@PrayForMe.com, 
> typed this:
>
>> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
>> news:duumi.7731$tj6.5742@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>> In News 469a72fb$0$31212$4c368faf@roadrunner.com,, CB at
>>> CB@PrayForMe.com, typed this:
>>>
>>>> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
>>>> news:UJtmi.7717$tj6.3664@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>>>> In News bepk9354i77p17l16itpnrrsciv9elghc9@4ax.com,, never@million
>>>>> at never@million, typed this:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:13:34 GMT, "grinder"
>>>>>> <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have found that  "generally" the more religious a person is the
>>>>>>> prone to hate.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then quit finding these people. There is the vast majority of
>>>>>> persons who live by religious principles who don't hate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DCI
>>>>>
>>>>> So tell us, why do the 'vast majority" of those you say live by
>>>>> religious principles that don't hate, support the people that live
>>>>> by religious principles that do hate?
>>>>
>>>> Why do you beat your wife you 'loud peacock?'
>>>
>>> No, I beat your wife.  She bet that I couldn't make her any uglier,
>>> so far she's won the bet.  Why is it that you Christofascists can
>>> never just answer a question with an honest answer?
>>
>> Why is it that your legion smell like rotting fish?
>
> That would be your upper lip, CB.   LOL!  Again, no honest answers coming 
> from the Christofascists.  No suprise.

I don't debate emissaries of Evil, Andrealphus. What would be the point?

You know your place in the bigger picture, so have your fun today.

Information about the demon Andrealphus
http://www.occultopedia.com/a/andrealphus.htm

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typed this:

> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
> news:Ttvmi.7745$tj6.4896@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>> In News 469a8248$0$12229$4c368faf@roadrunner.com,, CB at
>> CB@PrayForMe.com, typed this:
>>
>>> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
>>> news:duumi.7731$tj6.5742@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>>> In News 469a72fb$0$31212$4c368faf@roadrunner.com,, CB at
>>>> CB@PrayForMe.com, typed this:
>>>>
>>>>> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:UJtmi.7717$tj6.3664@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>>>>> In News bepk9354i77p17l16itpnrrsciv9elghc9@4ax.com,,
>>>>>> never@million at never@million, typed this:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:13:34 GMT, "grinder"
>>>>>>> <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have found that  "generally" the more religious a person is
>>>>>>>> the prone to hate.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then quit finding these people. There is the vast majority of
>>>>>>> persons who live by religious principles who don't hate.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> DCI
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So tell us, why do the 'vast majority" of those you say live by
>>>>>> religious principles that don't hate, support the people that
>>>>>> live by religious principles that do hate?
>>>>>
>>>>> Why do you beat your wife you 'loud peacock?'
>>>>
>>>> No, I beat your wife.  She bet that I couldn't make her any uglier,
>>>> so far she's won the bet.  Why is it that you Christofascists can
>>>> never just answer a question with an honest answer?
>>>
>>> Why is it that your legion smell like rotting fish?
>>
>> That would be your upper lip, CB.   LOL!  Again, no honest answers
>> coming from the Christofascists.  No suprise.
>
> I don't debate

You can't debate.  Christofascists are often stupid that way.

"CB"  wrote in message 
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>
> "grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message 
> news:wzsmi.7906$Od7.5807@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>
>> "sdr"  wrote in message 
>> news:1184463200.693358.151820@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>> What Atheists Can't Answer
>>> By Michael Gerson Friday, July 13, 2007;
>>> Page A17 Washington Post
>>>
>>>   " Human nature, in other circumstances, is also
>>>   clearly constructed for cruel exploitation,
>>>   uncontrollable rage, icy selfishness and a range of
>>>   other less desirable traits.
>>>
>>>   So the dilemma is this: How do we choose between
>>>   good and bad instincts?
>>
>> A good instinct of mine is not to put my hand on a hot stove or step in 
>> front of a moving train.  Yet for the life of me I don't remember Jesus 
>> ever telling me not to.  Of course if I had not LEARNED that instinct I 
>> would either have a fried hand or not be writing this right now.
>>
>> Man-made religion had nothing to do with it.
>
> How do homosexual men justify a lifestyle that reeks of feces?
>

Why do you spend so much time thinking about it?  And just how do you  know 
it reeks of feces?  BTW, it is not limited to homosexual men.

> Common sence would tell ya its nasty butt it doesn't stop them.
>

I wonder how many women say that about performing oral sex.

> Does lust blind the morally weak to the point of indangering their health?
>

Who said it is morally wrong?  You?  And who are you to say it is morally 
wrong?  And if you bring up the bible include other offenses that are 
considered morally wrong to the point of deserving exercution including:

cursing your  parents,
committing adultary, and
working on the sabath among others.

At least you proved one point of mine i.e. there is a positive correlation 
between degree of religiosity and the tendency to hate.

"grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message 
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>
> "CB"  wrote in message 
> news:469a6a6d$0$30618$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>
>> "grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message 
>> news:wzsmi.7906$Od7.5807@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>>
>>> "sdr"  wrote in message 
>>> news:1184463200.693358.151820@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>>> What Atheists Can't Answer
>>>> By Michael Gerson Friday, July 13, 2007;
>>>> Page A17 Washington Post
>>>>
>>>>   " Human nature, in other circumstances, is also
>>>>   clearly constructed for cruel exploitation,
>>>>   uncontrollable rage, icy selfishness and a range of
>>>>   other less desirable traits.
>>>>
>>>>   So the dilemma is this: How do we choose between
>>>>   good and bad instincts?
>>>
>>> A good instinct of mine is not to put my hand on a hot stove or step in 
>>> front of a moving train.  Yet for the life of me I don't remember Jesus 
>>> ever telling me not to.  Of course if I had not LEARNED that instinct I 
>>> would either have a fried hand or not be writing this right now.
>>>
>>> Man-made religion had nothing to do with it.
>>
>> How do homosexual men justify a lifestyle that reeks of feces?
>>
>
> Why do you spend so much time thinking about it?  And just how do you 
> know it reeks of feces?  BTW, it is not limited to homosexual men.
>
>> Common sence would tell ya its nasty butt it doesn't stop them.
>>
>
> I wonder how many women say that about performing oral sex.
>
>> Does lust blind the morally weak to the point of indangering their 
>> health?
>>
>
> Who said it is morally wrong?  You?  And who are you to say it is morally 
> wrong?  And if you bring up the bible include other offenses that are 
> considered morally wrong to the point of deserving exercution including:
>
> cursing your  parents,
> committing adultary, and
> working on the sabath among others.
>
> At least you proved one point of mine i.e. there is a positive correlation 
> between degree of religiosity and the tendency to hate.

The act of Homosexuality is the sin. I'm not here to moralize the virtues of 
the act, that's up to whom ever it applies to. That person will have to 
answer to The 'Power' that be.

For my self I know the moral implications of sin.

"CB"  wrote in message 
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>
> "grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message 
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>>
>> "CB"  wrote in message 
>> news:469a6a6d$0$30618$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>
>>> "grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message 
>>> news:wzsmi.7906$Od7.5807@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>>>
>>>> "sdr"  wrote in message 
>>>> news:1184463200.693358.151820@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> What Atheists Can't Answer
>>>>> By Michael Gerson Friday, July 13, 2007;
>>>>> Page A17 Washington Post
>>>>>
>>>>>   " Human nature, in other circumstances, is also
>>>>>   clearly constructed for cruel exploitation,
>>>>>   uncontrollable rage, icy selfishness and a range of
>>>>>   other less desirable traits.
>>>>>
>>>>>   So the dilemma is this: How do we choose between
>>>>>   good and bad instincts?
>>>>
>>>> A good instinct of mine is not to put my hand on a hot stove or step in 
>>>> front of a moving train.  Yet for the life of me I don't remember Jesus 
>>>> ever telling me not to.  Of course if I had not LEARNED that instinct I 
>>>> would either have a fried hand or not be writing this right now.
>>>>
>>>> Man-made religion had nothing to do with it.
>>>
>>> How do homosexual men justify a lifestyle that reeks of feces?
>>>
>>
>> Why do you spend so much time thinking about it?  And just how do you 
>> know it reeks of feces?  BTW, it is not limited to homosexual men.
>>
>>> Common sence would tell ya its nasty butt it doesn't stop them.
>>>
>>
>> I wonder how many women say that about performing oral sex.
>>
>>> Does lust blind the morally weak to the point of indangering their 
>>> health?
>>>
>>
>> Who said it is morally wrong?  You?  And who are you to say it is morally 
>> wrong?  And if you bring up the bible include other offenses that are 
>> considered morally wrong to the point of deserving exercution including:
>>
>> cursing your  parents,
>> committing adultary, and
>> working on the sabath among others.
>>
>> At least you proved one point of mine i.e. there is a positive 
>> correlation between degree of religiosity and the tendency to hate.
>
> The act of Homosexuality is the sin. I'm not here to moralize the virtues 
> of the act, that's up to whom ever it applies to. That person will have to 
> answer to The 'Power' that be.
>
> For my self I know the moral implications of sin.
>

Yet you say you are not here to moralize.  I don't even know if there is a 
cure against moralizing which is a sickeness common to the American Taliban.

And rest assured, neither you or me will be surprised the second after 
death.

"CB"  wrote in message 
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>
> "grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message 
> news:HJsmi.7914$Od7.5408@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>> If God sees evil and injustice but cannot do anything about it, he/she is 
>> not omipotent.
>>
>> If God sees evil and injustice but choses not do to anything about it, 
>> he/she is manevolent.
>>
>> If god does not see evil and injustice he/she is not omiscient.
>>
>
> There goes the freedom of free choice
>

Only if you believe misery and pain is a result of free choice.

In article <i1Lmi.7524$rR.3929@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
grinder <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote:
> 
> "CB"  wrote in message 
> news:469a6aaa$0$4852$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> >
> > "grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message 
> > news:HJsmi.7914$Od7.5408@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> >> If God sees evil and injustice but cannot do anything about it, he/she is 
> >> not omipotent.
> >>
> >> If God sees evil and injustice but choses not do to anything about it, 
> >> he/she is manevolent.
> >>
> >> If god does not see evil and injustice he/she is not omiscient.
> >>
> >
> > There goes the freedom of free choice
> >
> 
> Only if you believe misery and pain is a result of free choice. 

Most of it is - just not necessarily that of the victim.

Cheers
Tony
-- 
Tony Mountifield
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"grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message 
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>>>>> "sdr"  wrote in message 
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>>>>>> What Atheists Can't Answer
>>>>>> By Michael Gerson Friday, July 13, 2007;
>>>>>> Page A17 Washington Post
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   " Human nature, in other circumstances, is also
>>>>>>   clearly constructed for cruel exploitation,
>>>>>>   uncontrollable rage, icy selfishness and a range of
>>>>>>   other less desirable traits.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   So the dilemma is this: How do we choose between
>>>>>>   good and bad instincts?
>>>>>
>>>>> A good instinct of mine is not to put my hand on a hot stove or step 
>>>>> in front of a moving train.  Yet for the life of me I don't remember 
>>>>> Jesus ever telling me not to.  Of course if I had not LEARNED that 
>>>>> instinct I would either have a fried hand or not be writing this right 
>>>>> now.
>>>>>
>>>>> Man-made religion had nothing to do with it.
>>>>
>>>> How do homosexual men justify a lifestyle that reeks of feces?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Why do you spend so much time thinking about it?  And just how do you 
>>> know it reeks of feces?  BTW, it is not limited to homosexual men.
>>>
>>>> Common sence would tell ya its nasty butt it doesn't stop them.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I wonder how many women say that about performing oral sex.
>>>
>>>> Does lust blind the morally weak to the point of indangering their 
>>>> health?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Who said it is morally wrong?  You?  And who are you to say it is 
>>> morally wrong?  And if you bring up the bible include other offenses 
>>> that are considered morally wrong to the point of deserving exercution 
>>> including:
>>>
>>> cursing your  parents,
>>> committing adultary, and
>>> working on the sabath among others.
>>>
>>> At least you proved one point of mine i.e. there is a positive 
>>> correlation between degree of religiosity and the tendency to hate.
>>
>> The act of Homosexuality is the sin. I'm not here to moralize the virtues 
>> of the act, that's up to whom ever it applies to. That person will have 
>> to answer to The 'Power' that be.
>>
>> For my self I know the moral implications of sin.
>>
>
> Yet you say you are not here to moralize.  I don't even know if there is a 
> cure against moralizing which is a sickeness common to the American 
> Taliban.

John Walker Lindh?

>
> And rest assured, neither you or me will be surprised the second after 
> death.

I heard dat

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>> "grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message 
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>>> If God sees evil and injustice but cannot do anything about it, he/she 
>>> is not omipotent.
>>>
>>> If God sees evil and injustice but choses not do to anything about it, 
>>> he/she is manevolent.
>>>
>>> If god does not see evil and injustice he/she is not omiscient.
>>>
>>
>> There goes the freedom of free choice
>>
>
> Only if you believe misery and pain is a result of free choice.

Blame Adam and Eve for choosing to eat from the Tree of Life which opened 
their eyes of the choice to sin or not to sin. Before that 'choice' was made 
Enlightenment (choice) was only the Deceiver's wet dream for mankind.

Adam and Eve had everything. It was all perfect, there was no wrong. Man was 
perfect so the choice to sin wasn't there to tempt. Only through 
Liberalization or God's word came the Enlightenment of a choice to sin.

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>>>> If God sees evil and injustice but cannot do anything about it, he/she 
>>>> is not omipotent.
>>>>
>>>> If God sees evil and injustice but choses not do to anything about it, 
>>>> he/she is manevolent.
>>>>
>>>> If god does not see evil and injustice he/she is not omiscient.
>>>>
>>>
>>> There goes the freedom of free choice
>>>
>>
>> Only if you believe misery and pain is a result of free choice.
>
> Blame Adam and Eve for choosing to eat from the Tree of Life which opened 
> their eyes of the choice to sin or not to sin. Before that 'choice' was 
> made Enlightenment (choice) was only the Deceiver's wet dream for mankind.
>
> Adam and Eve had everything. It was all perfect, there was no wrong. Man 
> was perfect so the choice to sin wasn't there to tempt. Only through 
> Liberalization or God's word came the Enlightenment of a choice to sin.

We all know what the wages of sin have brought, pain, misery and death.

>
>

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>>>>>>
>>>>>> "sdr"  wrote in message 
>>>>>> news:1184463200.693358.151820@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>> What Atheists Can't Answer
>>>>>>> By Michael Gerson Friday, July 13, 2007;
>>>>>>> Page A17 Washington Post
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   " Human nature, in other circumstances, is also
>>>>>>>   clearly constructed for cruel exploitation,
>>>>>>>   uncontrollable rage, icy selfishness and a range of
>>>>>>>   other less desirable traits.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   So the dilemma is this: How do we choose between
>>>>>>>   good and bad instincts?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A good instinct of mine is not to put my hand on a hot stove or step 
>>>>>> in front of a moving train.  Yet for the life of me I don't remember 
>>>>>> Jesus ever telling me not to.  Of course if I had not LEARNED that 
>>>>>> instinct I would either have a fried hand or not be writing this 
>>>>>> right now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Man-made religion had nothing to do with it.
>>>>>
>>>>> How do homosexual men justify a lifestyle that reeks of feces?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why do you spend so much time thinking about it?  And just how do you 
>>>> know it reeks of feces?  BTW, it is not limited to homosexual men.
>>>>
>>>>> Common sence would tell ya its nasty butt it doesn't stop them.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I wonder how many women say that about performing oral sex.
>>>>
>>>>> Does lust blind the morally weak to the point of indangering their 
>>>>> health?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Who said it is morally wrong?  You?  And who are you to say it is 
>>>> morally wrong?  And if you bring up the bible include other offenses 
>>>> that are considered morally wrong to the point of deserving exercution 
>>>> including:
>>>>
>>>> cursing your  parents,
>>>> committing adultary, and
>>>> working on the sabath among others.
>>>>
>>>> At least you proved one point of mine i.e. there is a positive 
>>>> correlation between degree of religiosity and the tendency to hate.
>>>
>>> The act of Homosexuality is the sin. I'm not here to moralize the 
>>> virtues of the act, that's up to whom ever it applies to. That person 
>>> will have to answer to The 'Power' that be.
>>>
>>> For my self I know the moral implications of sin.
>>>
>>
>> Yet you say you are not here to moralize.  I don't even know if there is 
>> a cure against moralizing which is a sickeness common to the American 
>> Taliban.
>
> John Walker Lindh?
>
>>

Falwell, Robertson and their ilk.

"CB"  wrote in message 
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>> "grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message 
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>>>> "grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message 
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>>>>> If God sees evil and injustice but cannot do anything about it, he/she 
>>>>> is not omipotent.
>>>>>
>>>>> If God sees evil and injustice but choses not do to anything about it, 
>>>>> he/she is manevolent.
>>>>>
>>>>> If god does not see evil and injustice he/she is not omiscient.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There goes the freedom of free choice
>>>>
>>>
>>> Only if you believe misery and pain is a result of free choice.
>>
>> Blame Adam and Eve for choosing to eat from the Tree of Life which opened 
>> their eyes of the choice to sin or not to sin. Before that 'choice' was 
>> made Enlightenment (choice) was only the Deceiver's wet dream for 
>> mankind.
>>
>> Adam and Eve had everything. It was all perfect, there was no wrong. Man 
>> was perfect so the choice to sin wasn't there to tempt. Only through 
>> Liberalization or God's word came the Enlightenment of a choice to sin.
>
> We all know what the wages of sin have brought, pain, misery and death.
>
>>
>>

Tell it to the kid with Cancer.

"CB"  wrote in message 
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> "grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message 
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>> "CB"  wrote in message 
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>>> "grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message 
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>>>> If God sees evil and injustice but cannot do anything about it, he/she 
>>>> is not omipotent.
>>>>
>>>> If God sees evil and injustice but choses not do to anything about it, 
>>>> he/she is manevolent.
>>>>
>>>> If god does not see evil and injustice he/she is not omiscient.
>>>>
>>>
>>> There goes the freedom of free choice
>>>
>>
>> Only if you believe misery and pain is a result of free choice.
>
> Blame Adam and Eve for choosing to eat from the Tree of Life which opened 
> their eyes of the choice to sin or not to sin.

LOL.  I don't take fairy tales seriously.

grinder wrote:
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> "CB"  wrote in message
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> >
> > "grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
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> >>
> >> "CB"  wrote in message
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> >>>
> >>> "grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
> >>> news:HJsmi.7914$Od7.5408@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> >>>> If God sees evil and injustice but cannot do anything about it, he/she
> >>>> is not omipotent.
> >>>>
> >>>> If God sees evil and injustice but choses not do to anything about it,
> >>>> he/she is manevolent.
> >>>>
> >>>> If god does not see evil and injustice he/she is not omiscient.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> There goes the freedom of free choice
> >>>
> >>
> >> Only if you believe misery and pain is a result of free choice.
> >
> > Blame Adam and Eve for choosing to eat from the Tree of Life which opened
> > their eyes of the choice to sin or not to sin.
> 
> LOL.  I don't take fairy tales seriously.

CB als says Satan controls the weather. He really did.

RT

In article , never@million 
wrote:

> On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:13:34 GMT, "grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid>
> wrote:
> 
> >I have found that  "generally" the more religious a person is the prone to 
> >hate. 
> 
> Then quit finding these people. There is the vast majority of persons
> who live by religious principles who don't hate.

Maybe.  Got stats that have been subjected to peer review?

In article <469a8248$0$12229$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
 "CB"  wrote:

> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message 
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> > In News 469a72fb$0$31212$4c368faf@roadrunner.com,, CB at CB@PrayForMe.com, 
> > typed this:
> >
> >> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
> >> news:UJtmi.7717$tj6.3664@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> >>> In News bepk9354i77p17l16itpnrrsciv9elghc9@4ax.com,, never@million at
> >>> never@million, typed this:
> >>>
> >>>> On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:13:34 GMT, "grinder"
> >>>> <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> I have found that  "generally" the more religious a person is the
> >>>>> prone to hate.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Then quit finding these people. There is the vast majority of
> >>>> persons who live by religious principles who don't hate.
> >>>>
> >>>> DCI
> >>>
> >>> So tell us, why do the 'vast majority" of those you say live by
> >>> religious principles that don't hate, support the people that live
> >>> by religious principles that do hate?
> >>
> >> Why do you beat your wife you 'loud peacock?'
> >
> > No, I beat your wife.  She bet that I couldn't make her any uglier, so far 
> > she's won the bet.  Why is it that you Christofascists can never just 
> > answer a question with an honest answer?
> 
> Why is it that your legion smell like rotting fish? 

I guess CB doesn't mean to include himself in the vast majority who
do not hate.

In article <469a67bc$0$16561$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
 "CB"  wrote:

> Psychotropic drugs are the result of quack doctors trying to suppress 
> Humanitarian conscience and guilt from moral depravity like Homosexuality

Your ignorance is impressive.

In article <f7cftc$ial$1@news04.infoave.net>,
 "Larry Hewitt"  wrote:

> 
> Theists don't want to acjnowledge it, but all secies have a basic sense of 
> "morals" built into their genes.
> 
> Look at the coopperation emperor penguins employ to raise thir young. Do 
> they have a theology telling them to share body heat?
> 
> This sense of cooperation can be highly developed, as in the higher apes, or 
> little more than maternal instinct, as in crocodiles. But it is indisputably 
> there.

I don't think we can be sure that a cooperative instinct is the same
thing as morality, though it might be.  Certainly, humans display quite
a lot of culturally-induced variation in what they think of as moral.

"Rich Travsky"  wrote in message 
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> grinder wrote:
>>
>> "CB"  wrote in message
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>> >
>> > "grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
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>> >>
>> >> "CB"  wrote in message
>> >> news:469a6aaa$0$4852$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> >>>
>> >>> "grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
>> >>> news:HJsmi.7914$Od7.5408@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>> >>>> If God sees evil and injustice but cannot do anything about it, 
>> >>>> he/she
>> >>>> is not omipotent.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> If God sees evil and injustice but choses not do to anything about 
>> >>>> it,
>> >>>> he/she is manevolent.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> If god does not see evil and injustice he/she is not omiscient.
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> There goes the freedom of free choice
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> Only if you believe misery and pain is a result of free choice.
>> >
>> > Blame Adam and Eve for choosing to eat from the Tree of Life which 
>> > opened
>> > their eyes of the choice to sin or not to sin.
>>
>> LOL.  I don't take fairy tales seriously.
>
> CB als says Satan controls the weather. He really did.

He wi'wwy wi'wwy dee'id?

>
> RT

In News hugh_gibbons-45E012.15583116072007@newsgroups.comcast.net,, Hugh 
Gibbons at hugh_gibbons@dontsendmeemail.net, typed this:

> In article <469a8248$0$12229$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
> "CB"  wrote:
>
>> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
>> news:duumi.7731$tj6.5742@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>> In News 469a72fb$0$31212$4c368faf@roadrunner.com,, CB at
>>> CB@PrayForMe.com, typed this:
>>>
>>>> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
>>>> news:UJtmi.7717$tj6.3664@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>>>> In News bepk9354i77p17l16itpnrrsciv9elghc9@4ax.com,,
>>>>> never@million at never@million, typed this:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:13:34 GMT, "grinder"
>>>>>> <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have found that  "generally" the more religious a person is
>>>>>>> the prone to hate.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then quit finding these people. There is the vast majority of
>>>>>> persons who live by religious principles who don't hate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DCI
>>>>>
>>>>> So tell us, why do the 'vast majority" of those you say live by
>>>>> religious principles that don't hate, support the people that live
>>>>> by religious principles that do hate?
>>>>
>>>> Why do you beat your wife you 'loud peacock?'
>>>
>>> No, I beat your wife.  She bet that I couldn't make her any uglier,
>>> so far she's won the bet.  Why is it that you Christofascists can
>>> never just answer a question with an honest answer?
>>
>> Why is it that your legion smell like rotting fish?
>
> I guess CB doesn't mean to include himself in the vast majority who
> do not hate.

CB is one of the biggest idiots on usenet.  It's fun to mess with his mind 
once in a while.

"Hugh Gibbons"  wrote in message 
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> In article <f7cftc$ial$1@news04.infoave.net>,
> "Larry Hewitt"  wrote:
>
>>
>> Theists don't want to acjnowledge it, but all secies have a basic sense 
>> of
>> "morals" built into their genes.
>>
>> Look at the coopperation emperor penguins employ to raise thir young. Do
>> they have a theology telling them to share body heat?
>>
>> This sense of cooperation can be highly developed, as in the higher apes, 
>> or
>> little more than maternal instinct, as in crocodiles. But it is 
>> indisputably
>> there.
>
> I don't think we can be sure that a cooperative instinct is the same
> thing as morality, though it might be.  Certainly, humans display quite
> a lot of culturally-induced variation in what they think of as moral.

Zeitgeist.  And you are correct.  At one time slavery was considered moral. 
Now it is not and it  is not because god sent word - in fact the bible (if 
it is the word of god) mentions how to treat, buy and sell slaves.

<never@million> wrote in message 
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> On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:13:34 GMT, "grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>
>>I have found that  "generally" the more religious a person is the prone to
>>hate.
>>
>
> Then quit finding these people. There is the vast majority of persons
> who live by religious principles who don't hate.
>
> DCI
>

I don't have to find them.  They are right here.  They hate gays because 
homosexuality is a sin.

BTW, can you name a war or conflict where two athesists went after each 
other because they were atheists?

"Hugh Gibbons"  wrote in message 
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> In article <469a8248$0$12229$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
> "CB"  wrote:
>
>> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
>> news:duumi.7731$tj6.5742@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>> > In News 469a72fb$0$31212$4c368faf@roadrunner.com,, CB at 
>> > CB@PrayForMe.com,
>> > typed this:
>> >
>> >> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
>> >> news:UJtmi.7717$tj6.3664@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>> >>> In News bepk9354i77p17l16itpnrrsciv9elghc9@4ax.com,, never@million at
>> >>> never@million, typed this:
>> >>>
>> >>>> On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:13:34 GMT, "grinder"
>> >>>> <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> I have found that  "generally" the more religious a person is the
>> >>>>> prone to hate.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Then quit finding these people. There is the vast majority of
>> >>>> persons who live by religious principles who don't hate.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> DCI
>> >>>
>> >>> So tell us, why do the 'vast majority" of those you say live by
>> >>> religious principles that don't hate, support the people that live
>> >>> by religious principles that do hate?
>> >>
>> >> Why do you beat your wife you 'loud peacock?'
>> >
>> > No, I beat your wife.  She bet that I couldn't make her any uglier, so 
>> > far
>> > she's won the bet.  Why is it that you Christofascists can never just
>> > answer a question with an honest answer?
>>
>> Why is it that your legion smell like rotting fish?
>
> I guess CB doesn't mean to include himself in the vast majority who
> do not hate.

He also said he does not moralize and then proceeds to do so.  That "good 
time religion" has really screwed up his mind.

"Rich Travsky"  wrote in message 
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> grinder wrote:
>>
>> "CB"  wrote in message
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>> >
>> > "grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
>> > news:i1Lmi.7524$rR.3929@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>> >>
>> >> "CB"  wrote in message
>> >> news:469a6aaa$0$4852$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> >>>
>> >>> "grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
>> >>> news:HJsmi.7914$Od7.5408@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>> >>>> If God sees evil and injustice but cannot do anything about it, 
>> >>>> he/she
>> >>>> is not omipotent.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> If God sees evil and injustice but choses not do to anything about 
>> >>>> it,
>> >>>> he/she is manevolent.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> If god does not see evil and injustice he/she is not omiscient.
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> There goes the freedom of free choice
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> Only if you believe misery and pain is a result of free choice.
>> >
>> > Blame Adam and Eve for choosing to eat from the Tree of Life which 
>> > opened
>> > their eyes of the choice to sin or not to sin.
>>
>> LOL.  I don't take fairy tales seriously.
>
> CB als says Satan controls the weather. He really did.
>
> RT

Wouldn't it be interesting when he dies he finds out the satan he hates is 
really the god he worships?

"Hugh Gibbons"  wrote in message 
news:hugh_gibbons-1BA8CF.16075916072007@newsgroups.comcast.net...
> In article <f7cftc$ial$1@news04.infoave.net>,
> "Larry Hewitt"  wrote:
>
>>
>> Theists don't want to acjnowledge it, but all secies have a basic sense 
>> of
>> "morals" built into their genes.
>>
>> Look at the coopperation emperor penguins employ to raise thir young. Do
>> they have a theology telling them to share body heat?
>>
>> This sense of cooperation can be highly developed, as in the higher apes, 
>> or
>> little more than maternal instinct, as in crocodiles. But it is 
>> indisputably
>> there.
>
> I don't think we can be sure that a cooperative instinct is the same
> thing as morality, though it might be.  Certainly, humans display quite
> a lot of culturally-induced variation in what they think of as moral.

It 'is' man's nature to be bad. One only has to observe children who have no 
authority figure to guide them.

Bootz hinted at that fact on his show by illustrating how college graduates 
who've never worked before expect their employers to cater to them rather 
than to serve their employer. Boortz's point was that after high school kids 
should work for a few years so they understand how hard life will be without 
higher Education. Without that 'enlightenment' kids will think life will be 
handed to them and whine "no fair" when it's not. It's the me generation 
that's grown up without much discipline.

It's like Hillary and Obama avoiding FoxNews. How the Hell can we expect a 
Dim/Lib President to take of Islamo-fascism  when they can't even handle 
tough questions from Rush, Hannity or O'Rielly?
-- 
CB
America needs Michael Savage to be her Media General
http://www.homestead.com/prosites-prs/index.html

"Andrealphus"  wrote in message 
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> In News hugh_gibbons-45E012.15583116072007@newsgroups.comcast.net,, Hugh 
> Gibbons at hugh_gibbons@dontsendmeemail.net, typed this:
>
>> In article <469a8248$0$12229$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
>> "CB"  wrote:
>>
>>> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
>>> news:duumi.7731$tj6.5742@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>>> In News 469a72fb$0$31212$4c368faf@roadrunner.com,, CB at
>>>> CB@PrayForMe.com, typed this:
>>>>
>>>>> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:UJtmi.7717$tj6.3664@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>>>>> In News bepk9354i77p17l16itpnrrsciv9elghc9@4ax.com,,
>>>>>> never@million at never@million, typed this:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:13:34 GMT, "grinder"
>>>>>>> <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have found that  "generally" the more religious a person is
>>>>>>>> the prone to hate.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then quit finding these people. There is the vast majority of
>>>>>>> persons who live by religious principles who don't hate.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> DCI
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So tell us, why do the 'vast majority" of those you say live by
>>>>>> religious principles that don't hate, support the people that live
>>>>>> by religious principles that do hate?
>>>>>
>>>>> Why do you beat your wife you 'loud peacock?'
>>>>
>>>> No, I beat your wife.  She bet that I couldn't make her any uglier,
>>>> so far she's won the bet.  Why is it that you Christofascists can
>>>> never just answer a question with an honest answer?
>>>
>>> Why is it that your legion smell like rotting fish?
>>
>> I guess CB doesn't mean to include himself in the vast majority who
>> do not hate.
>
> CB is one of the biggest idiots on usenet.  It's fun to mess with his mind 
> once in a while.

Goo goo?
-- 
CB
Psalm 12:8 The wicked freely strut about when what is vile is honored among 
men.

Larry Flynt, Hugh Hefner and Bill Clinton come to mind

"grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message 
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>
> "Hugh Gibbons"  wrote in message 
> news:hugh_gibbons-45E012.15583116072007@newsgroups.comcast.net...
>> In article <469a8248$0$12229$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
>> "CB"  wrote:
>>
>>> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
>>> news:duumi.7731$tj6.5742@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>> > In News 469a72fb$0$31212$4c368faf@roadrunner.com,, CB at 
>>> > CB@PrayForMe.com,
>>> > typed this:
>>> >
>>> >> "Andrealphus"  wrote in message
>>> >> news:UJtmi.7717$tj6.3664@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>> >>> In News bepk9354i77p17l16itpnrrsciv9elghc9@4ax.com,, never@million 
>>> >>> at
>>> >>> never@million, typed this:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:13:34 GMT, "grinder"
>>> >>>> <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> I have found that  "generally" the more religious a person is the
>>> >>>>> prone to hate.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Then quit finding these people. There is the vast majority of
>>> >>>> persons who live by religious principles who don't hate.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> DCI
>>> >>>
>>> >>> So tell us, why do the 'vast majority" of those you say live by
>>> >>> religious principles that don't hate, support the people that live
>>> >>> by religious principles that do hate?
>>> >>
>>> >> Why do you beat your wife you 'loud peacock?'
>>> >
>>> > No, I beat your wife.  She bet that I couldn't make her any uglier, so 
>>> > far
>>> > she's won the bet.  Why is it that you Christofascists can never just
>>> > answer a question with an honest answer?
>>>
>>> Why is it that your legion smell like rotting fish?
>>
>> I guess CB doesn't mean to include himself in the vast majority who
>> do not hate.
>
> He also said he does not moralize and then proceeds to do so.  That "good 
> time religion" has really screwed up his mind.

Have you got an example of me moralizing?

>
>

"grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message 
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>
> "Rich Travsky"  wrote in message 
> news:469BF53F.562639E3@hotmMOVEail.com...
>> grinder wrote:
>>>
>>> "CB"  wrote in message
>>> news:469b8d95$0$9000$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>> >
>>> > "grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
>>> > news:i1Lmi.7524$rR.3929@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>> >>
>>> >> "CB"  wrote in message
>>> >> news:469a6aaa$0$4852$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>> >>>
>>> >>> "grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
>>> >>> news:HJsmi.7914$Od7.5408@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>> >>>> If God sees evil and injustice but cannot do anything about it, 
>>> >>>> he/she
>>> >>>> is not omipotent.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> If God sees evil and injustice but choses not do to anything about 
>>> >>>> it,
>>> >>>> he/she is manevolent.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> If god does not see evil and injustice he/she is not omiscient.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> There goes the freedom of free choice
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >> Only if you believe misery and pain is a result of free choice.
>>> >
>>> > Blame Adam and Eve for choosing to eat from the Tree of Life which 
>>> > opened
>>> > their eyes of the choice to sin or not to sin.
>>>
>>> LOL.  I don't take fairy tales seriously.
>>
>> CB als says Satan controls the weather. He really did.
>>
>> RT
>
> Wouldn't it be interesting when he dies he finds out the satan he hates is 
> really the god he worships?

Let's hope for the best for CB

>
>

In article <469cd12a$0$4720$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
 "CB"  wrote:

> "Hugh Gibbons"  wrote in message 
> news:hugh_gibbons-1BA8CF.16075916072007@newsgroups.comcast.net...
> > In article <f7cftc$ial$1@news04.infoave.net>,
> > "Larry Hewitt"  wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Theists don't want to acjnowledge it, but all secies have a basic sense 
> >> of
> >> "morals" built into their genes.
> >>
> >> Look at the coopperation emperor penguins employ to raise thir young. Do
> >> they have a theology telling them to share body heat?
> >>
> >> This sense of cooperation can be highly developed, as in the higher apes, 
> >> or
> >> little more than maternal instinct, as in crocodiles. But it is 
> >> indisputably
> >> there.
> >
> > I don't think we can be sure that a cooperative instinct is the same
> > thing as morality, though it might be.  Certainly, humans display quite
> > a lot of culturally-induced variation in what they think of as moral.
> 
> It 'is' man's nature to be bad. One only has to observe children who have no 
> authority figure to guide them.

It is children's nature to lack moral training.  That is not the same
as being bad, which implies defiance of morality.

> Bootz hinted at that fact on his show by illustrating how college graduates 
> who've never worked before expect their employers to cater to them rather 
> than to serve their employer. 

That is not bad, merely ignorant.

> It's like Hillary and Obama avoiding FoxNews. How the Hell can we expect a 
> Dim/Lib President to take of Islamo-fascism  when they can't even handle 
> tough questions from Rush, Hannity or O'Rielly?

Not the same thing.  Rush, Hannity and O'Really have long track records
of misrepresenting facts, and falsely characterizing the statements and
opinions of ... everybody.  Real journalists don't do that.

In article <P34ni.8529$Od7.6656@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
 "grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote:

> "Hugh Gibbons"  wrote in message 
> news:hugh_gibbons-45E012.15583116072007@newsgroups.comcast.net...
> > In article <469a8248$0$12229$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
> > "CB"  wrote:
> >> Why is it that your legion smell like rotting fish?
> >
> > I guess CB doesn't mean to include himself in the vast majority who
> > do not hate.
> 
> He also said he does not moralize and then proceeds to do so.  That "good 
> time religion" has really screwed up his mind. 

I think he needs Prolixin.

In article <c24ni.8528$Od7.3104@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
 "grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote:

> BTW, can you name a war or conflict where two athesists went after each 
> other because they were atheists? 

I guess they could fight over which god was more nonexistent.