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Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 6:59 PM
Subject: "The" Wigmore Hall


>> Can someone explain a particular matter of English usage to me? American
>> reviews and comments generally speak of Wigmore Hall, but in England it's
>> inevitably "The Wigmore Hall", although not always capitalized. What's 
>> the
>> basis of the usage.

> I don't think it's a Brit/American thing.  Here in Los Angeles (THE
> Angels) we say "The Hollywood Bowl"  "The Greek Theatre"  "The Dorothy
> Chandler Pavillion".  Even in New York they go to "The Met", but not
> to "The Madison Square Garden" or "The Central Park".
>
> Interesting thread.  Who knows why we say things certain ways.

It just 'takes on'; people hear it, accept it, and so it goes, whether
it's necessarily 'more correct' or not.

On Jun 12, 7:44 am, "mg"  wrote:
> Newsgroups: rec.music.opera
> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 6:59 PM
> Subject: "The" Wigmore Hall
>
> >> Can someone explain a particular matter of English usage to me? American
> >> reviews and comments generally speak of Wigmore Hall, but in England it's
> >> inevitably "The Wigmore Hall", although not always capitalized. What's
> >> the
> >> basis of the usage.
> > I don't think it's a Brit/American thing.  Here in Los Angeles (THE
> > Angels) we say "The Hollywood Bowl"  "The Greek Theatre"  "The Dorothy
> > Chandler Pavillion".  Even in New York they go to "The Met", but not
> > to "The Madison Square Garden" or "The Central Park".
>
> > Interesting thread.  Who knows why we say things certain ways.
>
> It just 'takes on'; people hear it, accept it, and so it goes, whether
> it's necessarily 'more correct' or not.

It doesn't at all. Plenty of people go to Royal
Ascot, Wimbledon and The Grand National. Rather
more turned up to see the opening stages of The
Tour de France.

None of the usages you cite as quintessentially
"British" are so. From whom were they received?

Or possibly from whence were they received?

G DAEB

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On Jul 9, 4:53 am, FCS  wrote:
> On Jun 12, 7:44 am, "mg"  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Newsgroups: rec.music.opera
> > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 6:59 PM
> > Subject: "The" Wigmore Hall
>
> > >> Can someone explain a particular matter of English usage to me? American
> > >> reviews and comments generally speak of Wigmore Hall, but in England it's
> > >> inevitably "The Wigmore Hall", although not always capitalized. What's
> > >> the
> > >> basis of the usage.
> > > I don't think it's a Brit/American thing.  Here in Los Angeles (THE
> > > Angels) we say "The Hollywood Bowl"  "The Greek Theatre"  "The Dorothy
> > > Chandler Pavillion".  Even in New York they go to "The Met", but not
> > > to "The Madison Square Garden" or "The Central Park".
>
> > > Interesting thread.  Who knows why we say things certain ways.
>
> > It just 'takes on'; people hear it, accept it, and so it goes, whether
> > it's necessarily 'more correct' or not.
>
> It doesn't at all. Plenty of people go to Royal
> Ascot, Wimbledon and The Grand National. Rather
> more turned up to see the opening stages of The
> Tour de France.
>
> None of the usages you cite as quintessentially
> "British" are so. From whom were they received?
>
> Or possibly from whence were they received?
>
> G DAEB
>
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Yeah, my guess is that the original poster,
albeit perhaps inhabiting a den beneath one
of the bridges mountain livestock use as to
cross rivers, is referring to a quite olden
range of texts and assuming we still (ever)
spoke like that.

A bit like reading Victorian-era works on a
dialect then leaving all knowledgable about
how racially superior Whites are.

So having established there are indeed very
very wrong answers in The Social Sciences I
shall move quickly on to jeer at the Yankee
branches of the same for still having texts
published post-Kennedy that say as much...

....alebit no kind of genocides were implied
during the composition of this post.

G DAEB

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