Our council estate is so old it's falling to bits. They've decided it's 
cheaper to pull it down and rebuild rather than repair. This means that they 
will be building over twice as many flats in the same area and selling off 
the extras to pay for the new council places.
The big question is, how they will allocate the various flats. I think they 
should be evenly distributed throughout the estate because this will get rid 
of the 'ghetto' effect. But the suspicion is that all the properties with 
nice views around the edge) will be sold and the council tenants will be 
concentrated in the middle.
Any ideas on how to get them to use 'mixed tenure'?

Bob

bob wrote:
> Our council estate is so old it's falling to bits. They've decided it's
> cheaper to pull it down and rebuild rather than repair. This means that they
> will be building over twice as many flats in the same area and selling off
> the extras to pay for the new council places.
> The big question is, how they will allocate the various flats. I think they
> should be evenly distributed throughout the estate because this will get rid
> of the 'ghetto' effect. But the suspicion is that all the properties with
> nice views around the edge) will be sold and the council tenants will be
> concentrated in the middle.
> Any ideas on how to get them to use 'mixed tenure'?


Firstly, I'd be surprised if the council was building new places - has
a stock transfer taken place in your area, or an ALMO been set up?

You are quite right to be concerned about the possibility of
segregation of tenure within the revamped area, though.  The usual term
for what you are seeking is 'pepperpotting' - distributing the
council/RSL properties amongst the other properties.

I'd suggest that your strongest argument is one of social cohesion, and
the avoidance of stigma.

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news:1142465844.859107.62810@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
> bob wrote:
>> Our council estate is so old it's falling to bits. They've decided it's
>> cheaper to pull it down and rebuild rather than repair. This means that 
>> they
>> will be building over twice as many flats in the same area and selling 
>> off
>> the extras to pay for the new council places.
>> The big question is, how they will allocate the various flats. I think 
>> they
>> should be evenly distributed throughout the estate because this will get 
>> rid
>> of the 'ghetto' effect. But the suspicion is that all the properties with
>> nice views around the edge) will be sold and the council tenants will be
>> concentrated in the middle.
>> Any ideas on how to get them to use 'mixed tenure'?
>
>
> Firstly, I'd be surprised if the council was building new places - has
> a stock transfer taken place in your area, or an ALMO been set up?
>
> You are quite right to be concerned about the possibility of
> segregation of tenure within the revamped area, though.  The usual term
> for what you are seeking is 'pepperpotting' - distributing the
> council/RSL properties amongst the other properties.
>
> I'd suggest that your strongest argument is one of social cohesion, and
> the avoidance of stigma.
>


There's been no transfer. We've not voted. Our properties are managed by 
Pathmeads, but I don't think this is an ALMO relationship.
There is a special development plan for our estate, The Woodberry Down 
Estate in Hackney. 'Circle Anglia' will be involved.
It's a very large estate, the largest in the world when built. The entire 
estate will be flattened and rebuilt in phases.
The outer edge of the estate has good views and some is very near Manor 
House tube station, so I suspect the sharks will be out to snap these up 
unless a way can be found to ensure 'pepperpotting'.
Does this affect the situation?
Are their any people in positions of power who take this issue seriously and 
could influence the outcome?

bob wrote:
>  wrote in message 
> news:1142465844.859107.62810@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
> 
>>bob wrote:
>>
>>>Our council estate is so old it's falling to bits. They've decided it's
>>>cheaper to pull it down and rebuild rather than repair. This means that 
>>>they
>>>will be building over twice as many flats in the same area and selling 
>>>off
>>>the extras to pay for the new council places.
>>>The big question is, how they will allocate the various flats. I think 
>>>they
>>>should be evenly distributed throughout the estate because this will get 
>>>rid
>>>of the 'ghetto' effect. But the suspicion is that all the properties with
>>>nice views around the edge) will be sold and the council tenants will be
>>>concentrated in the middle.
>>>Any ideas on how to get them to use 'mixed tenure'?
>>
>>
>>Firstly, I'd be surprised if the council was building new places - has
>>a stock transfer taken place in your area, or an ALMO been set up?
>>
>>You are quite right to be concerned about the possibility of
>>segregation of tenure within the revamped area, though.  The usual term
>>for what you are seeking is 'pepperpotting' - distributing the
>>council/RSL properties amongst the other properties.
>>
>>I'd suggest that your strongest argument is one of social cohesion, and
>>the avoidance of stigma.
>>
> 
> 
> 
> There's been no transfer. We've not voted. Our properties are managed by 
> Pathmeads, but I don't think this is an ALMO relationship.
> There is a special development plan for our estate, The Woodberry Down 
> Estate in Hackney. 'Circle Anglia' will be involved.
> It's a very large estate, the largest in the world when built. The entire 
> estate will be flattened and rebuilt in phases.
> The outer edge of the estate has good views and some is very near Manor 
> House tube station, so I suspect the sharks will be out to snap these up 
> unless a way can be found to ensure 'pepperpotting'.
> Does this affect the situation?
> Are their any people in positions of power who take this issue seriously and 
> could influence the outcome? 
> 
> 

It seems this site:

http://www.casa.ucl.ac.uk/woodberry/

was set up to give some answers. I love it how they say it's:
"a wonderful example of how digital technologies can enable a 
disenfranchised community to realise its own future"

with latest updates in 2002 ;-)

I've sent a few emails to the academics responsible. I'm afraid, and as 
usual, you'll have to ask the council member for housing and the local 
councillor.

Please let us know how you get on - and I'll report back if I get anywhere.

Rob

Rob wrote:

> It seems this site:
>
> http://www.casa.ucl.ac.uk/woodberry/
>
> was set up to give some answers.

And it says that:

"The Council will start a competition to appoint a lead registered
social landlord hopefully in Spring 2002. The RSL will be able to apply
for funds to the Housing Corporation and will work with the EDC on the
future management of the estate."

So an RSL (housing association) is obtaining the funding for new buid.

Circle Anglia's website at:

http://www.circleanglia.org/site/index.asp?CATID=326

says that:

"Circle Anglia was formed in July 2005 from the merger of two
well-established housing groups - Circle 33 and Anglia. It manages just
under 33,000 properties, making it one of the largest housing groups in
the UK."

So, presumably, tenacies will be assured (or, for former council
tenants) enhanced assured, rather than secure - just like a stock
transfer.

These regeneration partnerships can go badly wrong - take a look at:

http://www.mysiteboard.com/boards/viewforum.php?f=1&user=braunstonevoice

chippy@minimoke.net wrote:
> Rob wrote:
> 
> 
>>It seems this site:
>>
>>http://www.casa.ucl.ac.uk/woodberry/
>>
>>was set up to give some answers.
> 
> 
> And it says that:
> 
> "The Council will start a competition to appoint a lead registered
> social landlord hopefully in Spring 2002. The RSL will be able to apply
> for funds to the Housing Corporation and will work with the EDC on the
> future management of the estate."
> 
> So an RSL (housing association) is obtaining the funding for new buid.
> 
> Circle Anglia's website at:
> 
> http://www.circleanglia.org/site/index.asp?CATID=326
> 
> says that:
> 
> "Circle Anglia was formed in July 2005 from the merger of two
> well-established housing groups - Circle 33 and Anglia. It manages just
> under 33,000 properties, making it one of the largest housing groups in
> the UK."
> 
> So, presumably, tenacies will be assured (or, for former council
> tenants) enhanced assured, rather than secure - just like a stock
> transfer.
>

Yes, thanks for that. When I worked in Hackney (in education) I gave up 
trying to liaise with the local authority. Incredibly frustrating. 
Similarly, finding the whole story of the transfer is not easy, but 
within the archive of the site:

http://www.circleanglia.org/site/index.asp?CID=5546&CATID=408&ttype=full

I'm never sure of the motives behind these 'clearance' regen iniatives. 
As an example, I think I'm right in saying less than 10% of the original 
Holly Street residents remain - the other 90% were variously 'dispersed' 
- whether by choice or circumstance, I just don't know.

> These regeneration partnerships can go badly wrong - take a look at:
> 
> http://www.mysiteboard.com/boards/viewforum.php?f=1&user=braunstonevoice
>

Thoroughly depressing reading through some of those posts - thanks for 
the link though, appreciated.

Rob