On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 13:30:08 -0700 (PDT), Oppressed Subject
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>On 13 Mar, 19:57, abelard  wrote:
>> On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 12:48:49 -0700 (PDT), Oppressed Subject
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>> >On 13 Mar, 19:27, abelard  wrote:
>> >> On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 16:19:15 +0000, Cynic 
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>> >> >On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:36:05 +0100, abelard 
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>> >> >>both these youths who take out their resentments, and modern armies,
>> >> >>   learn both to over-ride their inhibitions to kill....and to improve
>> >> >>    their marksmanship, with modern realistic shoot-'em-up
>> >> >>    computer games....
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>> >> >A shoot-em-up computer game will *not* improve your marksmanship in
>> >> >real life any more than playing "Monopoly" will improve your business
>> >> >skills.
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>> >> as another poster has told you the army has a different view
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>> >>http://www.killology.com/book_stop_summary.htm
>> >> "In Paducah, Kentucky, Michael Carneal, a fourteen-year-old boy who
>> >> stole a gun from a neighbor's house, brought it to school and fired
>> >> eight shots at a student prayer group as they were breaking up. Prior
>> >> to stealing this weapon, he had never shot an actual handgun before.
>> >> Of the eight shots he fired, he had eight hits on eight different
>> >> kids. Five were head shots, the other three upper torso. The result
>> >> was three dead, one paralyzed for life. The FBI says that the average,
>> >> experienced, qualified law enforcement officer, in the average
>> >> shoot-out, at an average range of seven yards, hits with less than one
>> >> bullet in five. How does a child acquire such killing ability. What
>> >> would lead him to go out and commit such a horrific act?"
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>> >> you may find more at that site
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>> >> other background here and linkshttp://www.abelard.org/tv/tv.htm
>> >Interesting anecdote but I would like to see how the victims reacted
>> >to an armed kid in their presence before coming to the conclusion that
>> >video games helps one aim guns. In all likelihood I wager the victims
>> >didn't fight back, let the killer get close,  just stood still, didn't
>> >seek cover and ran in straight lines.
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>> >Probably if the killer approached them innocently and waited for them
>> >to pray with their eyes closed, he could have shot a few of them in
>> >the head before they could have reacted.
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>> go to the link and perhaps get the book

>If you're going to make an assertion the onus is on you to back it up.
>I'm asking you to explain the circumstances under which the victims
>were shot, and how they reacted. If you (or your reference) can't back
>it up then don't make unqualified statements.
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>Anyone can quote any reference by Googling off the 'net to find
>something that supports their view. Would you like me to give you some
>references that Elvis lives or that MI5 have mindcontrol devices?

don't be ridiculous...
if you want evidence you have a reasonably authoritative source

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