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date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 10:15:15 -0700,    group: uk.community.policing        back       
Reason 22 to despise the police?   
This report also shews how utterly useless the IPCC can be and how
they seek to excuse almost any wrong-doing by the plods.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/7076367.stm

(http://tinyurl.com/28yfmp)

[quote]
 Last Updated: Saturday, 3 November 2007, 10:40 GMT

 E-mail this to a friend   Printable version

Officer 'failed' over fall death
A senior police officer failed to act properly before a suicidal woman
fell to her death from a block of flats, a report from the police
watchdog says.
Rachel Nadin, 36, was drinking on the windowsill of her sixth-floor
flat in Manchester, threatening to jump.

As officers tried to speak to her, she fell from the window and died.

An inspector who cancelled patrols an hour earlier after a previous
threat "failed in his duty", the Independent Police Complaints
Commission found.

Officers had prevented Ms Nadin from jumping from the flats eight days
earlier and the day before her death when she had slashed her wrists.

On 2 September 2005, she called police threatening to throw herself
from the 12th floor.

An inspector attended and persuaded Ms Nadin, an alcoholic, to leave
the 12th floor balcony and return to her flat.

He then told the control room that Ms Nadin was back in her flat and
the other patrols should be cancelled, before leaving.

But an hour later she was on her balcony threatening to jump.

While one officer was attempting to speak to Ms Nadin, she fell from
the window.

The independent commission (IPCC) found the officers who attended when
Ms Nadin fell had acted properly and could not have prevented her
death.

But it found the inspector "clearly failed in the performance of his
duties in not carrying out basic checks which would have helped him
assess the situation fully".

His conduct, however, did not cause Ms Nadin's death, the report says,
and recognised he had worked a 17-hour shift.

Accidental death

The report recommended that the officer receives a superintendent's
warning.

Naseem Malik, IPCC Commissioner for the North West, said: "The
investigation was very thorough and determined that Greater Manchester
Police had acted effectively and compassionately in most of its
dealings with Ms Nadin during this difficult period.

"However it is clear that one officer, whether due to inexperience,
lack of training or the fact he had worked long hours, failed to
assess the situation fully.

"The fact that he spent a total of six minutes and 16 seconds with a
vulnerable woman who was threatening suicide is not acceptable."

An inquest into Ms Nadin's death returned a verdict of accidental
death contributed to by neglect.

[unquote]

To claim that the inspector acted as he did because of "inexperience,
lack of training or the fact he had worked long hours" is simply
making excuses for his having cancelled patrols that might have saved
the life of that unfortunate woman.

Isn't it the job of the so-called "Independent" Police Complaints
Commission to investigate and report on complaints made against the
police?  Don't the Police Federation normally seek to provide
excuses?  Or have the two been merged?

--
 x    If you have been, was it helpful?
/|\
date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 10:15:15 -0700   author:   unknown

Re: Reason 22 to despise the police?   
wrote in message 
news:1194110115.541791.281270@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
> This report also shews how utterly useless the IPCC can be and how
> they seek to excuse almost any wrong-doing by the plods.
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/7076367.stm
>
> (http://tinyurl.com/28yfmp)
>
> [quote]
> Last Updated: Saturday, 3 November 2007, 10:40 GMT
>
> E-mail this to a friend   Printable version
>
> Officer 'failed' over fall death
> A senior police officer failed to act properly before a suicidal woman
> fell to her death from a block of flats, a report from the police
> watchdog says.
> Rachel Nadin, 36, was drinking on the windowsill of her sixth-floor
> flat in Manchester, threatening to jump.
>
> As officers tried to speak to her, she fell from the window and died.
>
> An inspector who cancelled patrols an hour earlier after a previous
> threat "failed in his duty", the Independent Police Complaints
> Commission found.
>
> Officers had prevented Ms Nadin from jumping from the flats eight days
> earlier and the day before her death when she had slashed her wrists.
>
> On 2 September 2005, she called police threatening to throw herself
> from the 12th floor.
>
> An inspector attended and persuaded Ms Nadin, an alcoholic, to leave
> the 12th floor balcony and return to her flat.
>
> He then told the control room that Ms Nadin was back in her flat and
> the other patrols should be cancelled, before leaving.
>
> But an hour later she was on her balcony threatening to jump.
>
> While one officer was attempting to speak to Ms Nadin, she fell from
> the window.
>
> The independent commission (IPCC) found the officers who attended when
> Ms Nadin fell had acted properly and could not have prevented her
> death.
>
> But it found the inspector "clearly failed in the performance of his
> duties in not carrying out basic checks which would have helped him
> assess the situation fully".
>
> His conduct, however, did not cause Ms Nadin's death, the report says,
> and recognised he had worked a 17-hour shift.
>
> Accidental death
>
> The report recommended that the officer receives a superintendent's
> warning.
>
> Naseem Malik, IPCC Commissioner for the North West, said: "The
> investigation was very thorough and determined that Greater Manchester
> Police had acted effectively and compassionately in most of its
> dealings with Ms Nadin during this difficult period.
>
> "However it is clear that one officer, whether due to inexperience,
> lack of training or the fact he had worked long hours, failed to
> assess the situation fully.
>
> "The fact that he spent a total of six minutes and 16 seconds with a
> vulnerable woman who was threatening suicide is not acceptable."
>
> An inquest into Ms Nadin's death returned a verdict of accidental
> death contributed to by neglect.
>
> [unquote]
>
> To claim that the inspector acted as he did because of "inexperience,
> lack of training or the fact he had worked long hours" is simply
> making excuses for his having cancelled patrols that might have saved
> the life of that unfortunate woman.
>
> Isn't it the job of the so-called "Independent" Police Complaints
> Commission to investigate and report on complaints made against the
> police?  Don't the Police Federation normally seek to provide
> excuses?  Or have the two been merged?
>
> --
> x    If you have been, was it helpful?
> /|\
>

Is it the job of the Police to stop suicidal alcoholics offing themselves? 
One less attention-seeking loser to divert resources away from real need.

One more reason to hate alcoholics, I say.
date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 17:29:23 GMT   author:   mentalguy2004

Re: Reason 22 to despise the police?   
On 3 Nov, 17:29, "mentalguy2004"  wrote:
>  wrote in message
>
> news:1194110115.541791.281270@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > This report also shews how utterly useless the IPCC can be and how
> > they seek to excuse almost any wrong-doing by the plods.
>
> >http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/7076367.stm
>
> > (http://tinyurl.com/28yfmp)
>
> > [quote]
> > Last Updated: Saturday, 3 November 2007, 10:40 GMT
>
> > E-mail this to a friend   Printable version
>
> > Officer 'failed' over fall death
> > A senior police officer failed to act properly before a suicidal woman
> > fell to her death from a block of flats, a report from the police
> > watchdog says.
> > Rachel Nadin, 36, was drinking on the windowsill of her sixth-floor
> > flat in Manchester, threatening to jump.
>
> > As officers tried to speak to her, she fell from the window and died.
>
> > An inspector who cancelled patrols an hour earlier after a previous
> > threat "failed in his duty", the Independent Police Complaints
> > Commission found.
>
> > Officers had prevented Ms Nadin from jumping from the flats eight days
> > earlier and the day before her death when she had slashed her wrists.
>
> > On 2 September 2005, she called police threatening to throw herself
> > from the 12th floor.
>
> > An inspector attended and persuaded Ms Nadin, an alcoholic, to leave
> > the 12th floor balcony and return to her flat.
>
> > He then told the control room that Ms Nadin was back in her flat and
> > the other patrols should be cancelled, before leaving.
>
> > But an hour later she was on her balcony threatening to jump.
>
> > While one officer was attempting to speak to Ms Nadin, she fell from
> > the window.
>
> > The independent commission (IPCC) found the officers who attended when
> > Ms Nadin fell had acted properly and could not have prevented her
> > death.
>
> > But it found the inspector "clearly failed in the performance of his
> > duties in not carrying out basic checks which would have helped him
> > assess the situation fully".
>
> > His conduct, however, did not cause Ms Nadin's death, the report says,
> > and recognised he had worked a 17-hour shift.
>
> > Accidental death
>
> > The report recommended that the officer receives a superintendent's
> > warning.
>
> > Naseem Malik, IPCC Commissioner for the North West, said: "The
> > investigation was very thorough and determined that Greater Manchester
> > Police had acted effectively and compassionately in most of its
> > dealings with Ms Nadin during this difficult period.
>
> > "However it is clear that one officer, whether due to inexperience,
> > lack of training or the fact he had worked long hours, failed to
> > assess the situation fully.
>
> > "The fact that he spent a total of six minutes and 16 seconds with a
> > vulnerable woman who was threatening suicide is not acceptable."
>
> > An inquest into Ms Nadin's death returned a verdict of accidental
> > death contributed to by neglect.
>
> > [unquote]
>
> > To claim that the inspector acted as he did because of "inexperience,
> > lack of training or the fact he had worked long hours" is simply
> > making excuses for his having cancelled patrols that might have saved
> > the life of that unfortunate woman.
>
> > Isn't it the job of the so-called "Independent" Police Complaints
> > Commission to investigate and report on complaints made against the
> > police?  Don't the Police Federation normally seek to provide
> > excuses?  Or have the two been merged?
>
> Is it the job of the Police to stop suicidal alcoholics offing themselves?

What part of  "clearly failed in the performance of his duties in not
carrying out basic checks which would have helped him  assess the
situation fully" were you unable to comprehend?

> One less attention-seeking loser to divert resources away from real need.

The woman should have been taken into custody and transferred as soon
as possible to a secure psychiatric facility, rather than being left
to leap to her death.

> One more reason to hate alcoholics, I say.

Or to despise you?

--
 x     If you have been, why are you out?
/|\
date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 11:01:16 -0700   author:   unknown

Re: Reason 22 to despise the police?   
On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 10:15:15 -0700, "Theo_Delight@yahoo.co.uk"
 wrote:

>This report also shews how utterly useless the IPCC can be and how
>they seek to excuse almost any wrong-doing by the plods.
>
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/7076367.stm
>
>(http://tinyurl.com/28yfmp)
>
>[quote]
> Last Updated: Saturday, 3 November 2007, 10:40 GMT

He didn't shoot her
He didn't beat her to a pulp then arrest her for resisting arrest
He didn't do anything except show not enough concern for her welfare.

Incompetent rather than bad I'd say. 
>
> E-mail this to a friend   Printable version
>
>Officer 'failed' over fall death
>A senior police officer failed to act properly before a suicidal woman
>fell to her death from a block of flats, a report from the police
>watchdog says.
>Rachel Nadin, 36, was drinking on the windowsill of her sixth-floor
>flat in Manchester, threatening to jump.
>
>As officers tried to speak to her, she fell from the window and died.
>
>An inspector who cancelled patrols an hour earlier after a previous
>threat "failed in his duty", the Independent Police Complaints
>Commission found.
>
>Officers had prevented Ms Nadin from jumping from the flats eight days
>earlier and the day before her death when she had slashed her wrists.
>
>On 2 September 2005, she called police threatening to throw herself
>from the 12th floor.
>
>An inspector attended and persuaded Ms Nadin, an alcoholic, to leave
>the 12th floor balcony and return to her flat.
>
>He then told the control room that Ms Nadin was back in her flat and
>the other patrols should be cancelled, before leaving.
>
>But an hour later she was on her balcony threatening to jump.
>
>While one officer was attempting to speak to Ms Nadin, she fell from
>the window.
>
>The independent commission (IPCC) found the officers who attended when
>Ms Nadin fell had acted properly and could not have prevented her
>death.
>
>But it found the inspector "clearly failed in the performance of his
>duties in not carrying out basic checks which would have helped him
>assess the situation fully".
>
>His conduct, however, did not cause Ms Nadin's death, the report says,
>and recognised he had worked a 17-hour shift.
>
>Accidental death
>
>The report recommended that the officer receives a superintendent's
>warning.
>
>Naseem Malik, IPCC Commissioner for the North West, said: "The
>investigation was very thorough and determined that Greater Manchester
>Police had acted effectively and compassionately in most of its
>dealings with Ms Nadin during this difficult period.
>
>"However it is clear that one officer, whether due to inexperience,
>lack of training or the fact he had worked long hours, failed to
>assess the situation fully.
>
>"The fact that he spent a total of six minutes and 16 seconds with a
>vulnerable woman who was threatening suicide is not acceptable."
>
>An inquest into Ms Nadin's death returned a verdict of accidental
>death contributed to by neglect.
>
>[unquote]
>
>To claim that the inspector acted as he did because of "inexperience,
>lack of training or the fact he had worked long hours" is simply
>making excuses for his having cancelled patrols that might have saved
>the life of that unfortunate woman.
>
>Isn't it the job of the so-called "Independent" Police Complaints
>Commission to investigate and report on complaints made against the
>police?  Don't the Police Federation normally seek to provide
>excuses?  Or have the two been merged?
date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 18:24:48 +0000   author:   Alang

Re: Reason 22 to despise the police?   
On 3 Nov, 18:24, Alang  wrote:
> On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 10:15:15 -0700, "Theo_Deli...@yahoo.co.uk"
>
>  wrote:
> >This report also shews how utterly useless the IPCC can be and how
> >they seek to excuse almost any wrong-doing by the plods.
>
> >http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/7076367.stm
>
> >(http://tinyurl.com/28yfmp)
>
> >[quote]
> > Last Updated: Saturday, 3 November 2007, 10:40 GMT
>
> He didn't shoot her
> He didn't beat her to a pulp then arrest her for resisting arrest
> He didn't do anything except show not enough concern for her welfare.
>
> Incompetent rather than bad I'd say.

But he was an inspector so, if what Kev wrote were true, he'd have to
have not only passed a "difficult" promotion exam which included
practical tests, he'd also have needed to satisfy the promotions board
that he was suitable for that post or rank.

So how the buggery can he now be said to have a lack of training or
experience?

--
 x   If you have been, did it stink?
/|\
date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 12:01:54 -0700   author:   unknown

Re: Reason 22 to despise the police?   
Theo_Delight@yahoo.co.uk  posted
>On 3 Nov, 17:29, "mentalguy2004"  wrote:
>>  wrote in message
>>
>> > To claim that the inspector acted as he did because of "inexperience,
>> > lack of training or the fact he had worked long hours" is simply
>> > making excuses for his having cancelled patrols that might have saved
>> > the life of that unfortunate woman.
>>
>> > Isn't it the job of the so-called "Independent" Police Complaints
>> > Commission to investigate and report on complaints made against the
>> > police?  Don't the Police Federation normally seek to provide
>> > excuses?  Or have the two been merged?
>>
>> Is it the job of the Police to stop suicidal alcoholics offing themselves?
>
>What part of  "clearly failed in the performance of his duties in not
>carrying out basic checks which would have helped him  assess the
>situation fully" were you unable to comprehend?
>

I don't think he was unable to comprehend it, I just think he disagrees
with it. And so do I. 

I don't want the police to spend my taxes on trying to be social workers
or psychiatrists, I want them to catch criminals. As far as I am
concerned this woman got what she wanted. Others may disagree. 


-- 
PeteM

-- 
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date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 19:35:03 +0000   author:   PeteM

Re: Reason 22 to despise the police?   
On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 12:01:54 -0700, "Theo_Delight@yahoo.co.uk"
 wrote:

>On 3 Nov, 18:24, Alang  wrote:
>> On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 10:15:15 -0700, "Theo_Deli...@yahoo.co.uk"
>>
>>  wrote:
>> >This report also shews how utterly useless the IPCC can be and how
>> >they seek to excuse almost any wrong-doing by the plods.
>>
>> >http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/7076367.stm
>>
>> >(http://tinyurl.com/28yfmp)
>>
>> >[quote]
>> > Last Updated: Saturday, 3 November 2007, 10:40 GMT
>>
>> He didn't shoot her
>> He didn't beat her to a pulp then arrest her for resisting arrest
>> He didn't do anything except show not enough concern for her welfare.
>>
>> Incompetent rather than bad I'd say.
>
>But he was an inspector so, if what Kev wrote were true, he'd have to
>have not only passed a "difficult" promotion exam which included
>practical tests, he'd also have needed to satisfy the promotions board
>that he was suitable for that post or rank.
>
>So how the buggery can he now be said to have a lack of training or
>experience?

What training do you need to be  a muppet?
date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 19:46:56 +0000   author:   Alang

Re: Reason 22 to despise the police?   
"Theo_Delight@yahoo.co.uk"  wrote in 
news:1194110115.541791.281270@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com:

> This report also shews how utterly useless the IPCC can be and
> how they seek to excuse almost any wrong-doing by the plods.

That's the IPCC's job:  to excuse, conceal and support wrong doing by the 
rich and influential, and their subordinates in the British National 
Police.

No one supports the British National Police and the British tradition of 
whitewash more than the IPCC.

-- 
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date: 04 Nov 2007 01:56:01 GMT   author:   J nswex@nalid;non

Re: Reason 22 to despise the police?   
PeteM wrote:

> > What part of  "clearly failed in the performance of his duties in
> > not carrying out basic checks which would have helped him  assess
> > the situation fully" were you unable to comprehend?
> > 
> 
> I don't think he was unable to comprehend it, I just think he
> disagrees with it. And so do I. 
> 
> I don't want the police to spend my taxes on trying to be social
> workers or psychiatrists, I want them to catch criminals. As far as I
> am concerned this woman got what she wanted. Others may disagree. 

On ukl? No chance.

--
date: 4 Nov 2007 09:29:33 GMT   author:   joe

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