Long story but please bear with me. I'm very stressed out as I'm  not
used to all this intimidation and stress.

Recently I took on a lodger who was on housing benefits and jobseekers
allowance. To make ends meet, I needed to supplement my income with
the £4250 annual tax free rental allowance under the "Rent a room"
scheme. I made it quite clear to him and the Council from the start
that he was a lodger so there is no issue about him being a tenant.

Soon after he moved in, it was clear that I should have followed my
gut instinct on him. He was being pursued by various solicitor firms
for copyright infringement as he copied the material of various
authors and publishers, and resold it on at greatly reduced rates. He
spent some whole days at home on international phone calls to
relatives in India using my landline. The flat became a mess and he
didn't lift a finger to help keep the place clean. In fact some items
in the flat such as furniture and bathroom fixtures were damaged by
him.

I then asked him to leave. He said he wouldn't leave until he received
back his full deposit plus rent outstanding for the remainder days of
the month - fair enough except there was already damage to the place
attributable to him. He also refused to pay half of the bills as
agreed.

When I offered him a cheque, he refused to accept it and said he only
wanted cash. When I told him again forcefully to accept the cheque and
leave, he said he wouldn't, and that he would invite extra friends
over to squat at my place and I was welcome to try to evict them too.
He refused to hand over my keys when I asked for them.

When I tried to start moving his things out, he pushed me out of his
(my!) room, saying I've "messed with the wrong person". He then said
he could have made copies of my keys and could come back later to
trash the place even if I did get rid of him, so I better do things on
his terms. He also said he would contact my work and social networks
to spread rumours. He had gone through my post and checked the "Return
addresses" while I was away at work while he was at home, so he knows
where I work and who my networks are.

In the end I got rid of him by paying him what he demanded by
(remaining rent  deposit, excluding bills).

As I understand it, he's committed a litany of crimes and civil
wrongs. The criminal acts are assault & battery, intimidation and
(perhaps?) robbery. I had no choice but to comply with giving him
whatever money he wanted. The civil wrongs were trespass and
contractual issues.

Now that he's left, would the police be interested in the matter?

I'm an academic with a career in front of me and I don't want to get
into any unnecessary problems if I can avoid it. I do have audio
recordings of most of the above as it became clear things were
escalating (not all of the threats though) so I can back my words up
if need be.

What about the Councils he's on housing benefits and jobseekers
allowance on? Should I report the incident to them? I have told them
that they would be notified of his departure, and I could just
elaborate on the circumstances he left under.

If I do report the matter to the authorities, how will they deal with
him and can I expect him to be in a position to carry out any of his
threats of retaliation?

Any advice would be gratefully received.

C. Walker expressed precisely :
> Long story but please bear with me. I'm very stressed out as I'm  not
> used to all this intimidation and stress.
>
> Recently I took on a lodger who was on housing benefits and jobseekers
> allowance. To make ends meet, I needed to supplement my income with
> the £4250 annual tax free rental allowance under the "Rent a room"
> scheme. I made it quite clear to him and the Council from the start
> that he was a lodger so there is no issue about him being a tenant.
>
> Soon after he moved in, it was clear that I should have followed my
> gut instinct on him. He was being pursued by various solicitor firms
> for copyright infringement as he copied the material of various
> authors and publishers, and resold it on at greatly reduced rates. He
> spent some whole days at home on international phone calls to
> relatives in India using my landline. The flat became a mess and he
> didn't lift a finger to help keep the place clean. In fact some items
> in the flat such as furniture and bathroom fixtures were damaged by
> him.
>
> I then asked him to leave. He said he wouldn't leave until he received
> back his full deposit plus rent outstanding for the remainder days of
> the month - fair enough except there was already damage to the place
> attributable to him. He also refused to pay half of the bills as
> agreed.
>
> When I offered him a cheque, he refused to accept it and said he only
> wanted cash. When I told him again forcefully to accept the cheque and
> leave, he said he wouldn't, and that he would invite extra friends
> over to squat at my place and I was welcome to try to evict them too.
> He refused to hand over my keys when I asked for them.
>
> When I tried to start moving his things out, he pushed me out of his
> (my!) room, saying I've "messed with the wrong person". He then said
> he could have made copies of my keys and could come back later to
> trash the place even if I did get rid of him, so I better do things on
> his terms. He also said he would contact my work and social networks
> to spread rumours. He had gone through my post and checked the "Return
> addresses" while I was away at work while he was at home, so he knows
> where I work and who my networks are.
>
> In the end I got rid of him by paying him what he demanded by
> (remaining rent + deposit, excluding bills).
>
> As I understand it, he's committed a litany of crimes and civil
> wrongs. The criminal acts are assault & battery, intimidation and
> (perhaps?) robbery. I had no choice but to comply with giving him
> whatever money he wanted. The civil wrongs were trespass and
> contractual issues.
>
> Now that he's left, would the police be interested in the matter?
>
> I'm an academic with a career in front of me and I don't want to get
> into any unnecessary problems if I can avoid it. I do have audio
> recordings of most of the above as it became clear things were
> escalating (not all of the threats though) so I can back my words up
> if need be.
>
> What about the Councils he's on housing benefits and jobseekers
> allowance on? Should I report the incident to them? I have told them
> that they would be notified of his departure, and I could just
> elaborate on the circumstances he left under.
>
> If I do report the matter to the authorities, how will they deal with
> him and can I expect him to be in a position to carry out any of his
> threats of retaliation?
>
> Any advice would be gratefully received.

I would not worry about it.  The Police will not be interested.  Say 
nothing to nobody and put it to bed.

If the cunt had tried that shit with me though I would have had the 
Indian cowsun beaten to within an inch of his life.

No fucker seems able to behave themselves these days.

-- 
Count Baldoni

"Baldoni"  wrote in message 
news:mn.6c087d7a031080a9.81063@gmail.com...
> C. Walker expressed precisely :
>> Long story but please bear with me. I'm very stressed out as I'm  not
>> used to all this intimidation and stress.
>>
>> Recently I took on a lodger who was on housing benefits and jobseekers
>> allowance. To make ends meet, I needed to supplement my income with
>> the £4250 annual tax free rental allowance under the "Rent a room"
>> scheme. I made it quite clear to him and the Council from the start
>> that he was a lodger so there is no issue about him being a tenant.
>>
>> Soon after he moved in, it was clear that I should have followed my
>> gut instinct on him. He was being pursued by various solicitor firms
>> for copyright infringement as he copied the material of various
>> authors and publishers, and resold it on at greatly reduced rates. He
>> spent some whole days at home on international phone calls to
>> relatives in India using my landline. The flat became a mess and he
>> didn't lift a finger to help keep the place clean. In fact some items
>> in the flat such as furniture and bathroom fixtures were damaged by
>> him.
>>
>> I then asked him to leave. He said he wouldn't leave until he received
>> back his full deposit plus rent outstanding for the remainder days of
>> the month - fair enough except there was already damage to the place
>> attributable to him. He also refused to pay half of the bills as
>> agreed.
>>
>> When I offered him a cheque, he refused to accept it and said he only
>> wanted cash. When I told him again forcefully to accept the cheque and
>> leave, he said he wouldn't, and that he would invite extra friends
>> over to squat at my place and I was welcome to try to evict them too.
>> He refused to hand over my keys when I asked for them.
>>
>> When I tried to start moving his things out, he pushed me out of his
>> (my!) room, saying I've "messed with the wrong person". He then said
>> he could have made copies of my keys and could come back later to
>> trash the place even if I did get rid of him, so I better do things on
>> his terms. He also said he would contact my work and social networks
>> to spread rumours. He had gone through my post and checked the "Return
>> addresses" while I was away at work while he was at home, so he knows
>> where I work and who my networks are.
>>
>> In the end I got rid of him by paying him what he demanded by
>> (remaining rent + deposit, excluding bills).
>>
>> As I understand it, he's committed a litany of crimes and civil
>> wrongs. The criminal acts are assault & battery, intimidation and
>> (perhaps?) robbery. I had no choice but to comply with giving him
>> whatever money he wanted. The civil wrongs were trespass and
>> contractual issues.
>>
>> Now that he's left, would the police be interested in the matter?
>>
>> I'm an academic with a career in front of me and I don't want to get
>> into any unnecessary problems if I can avoid it. I do have audio
>> recordings of most of the above as it became clear things were
>> escalating (not all of the threats though) so I can back my words up
>> if need be.
>>
>> What about the Councils he's on housing benefits and jobseekers
>> allowance on? Should I report the incident to them? I have told them
>> that they would be notified of his departure, and I could just
>> elaborate on the circumstances he left under.
>>
>> If I do report the matter to the authorities, how will they deal with
>> him and can I expect him to be in a position to carry out any of his
>> threats of retaliation?
>>
>> Any advice would be gratefully received.
>
> I would not worry about it.  The Police will not be interested.  Say 
> nothing to nobody and put it to bed.
>
> If the cunt had tried that shit with me though I would have had the Indian 
> cowsun beaten to within an inch of his life.
>
> No fucker seems able to behave themselves these days.


Sounds like a case where you needed to assemble a group of large friends, to 
chuck this dickhead and his junk onto the street, and make it clear to him 
that coming back wouldn't be good for his health. Not strictly legal, but a 
damn sight more effective and cheaper, I know from experience.

The Council won't care about his behaviour or reason for "eviction", they'll 
only care about overpaying you his rent after he left. Similarly, the 
jobseekers won't care either, unless you have evidence that he was working. 
I can't speak for possible legal remedies or possible Police help, but I 
wouldn't hold your breath there either.

Put it down to experience, and make sure you use a responsible agency for 
finding lodgers next time. If you felt really mischievous, you could phone 
all the strange numbers on your phone bill and tell them you are a policeman 
investigating Mr ***** for child-molestation.

"C. Walker"  wrote in message 
news:1192291090.560477.76740@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
Long story but please bear with me. I'm very stressed out as I'm  not
used to all this intimidation and stress.

Recently I took on a lodger who was on housing benefits and jobseekers
allowance. To make ends meet, I needed to supplement my income with
the £4250 annual tax free rental allowance under the "Rent a room"
scheme. I made it quite clear to him and the Council from the start
that he was a lodger so there is no issue about him being a tenant.

Soon after he moved in, it was clear that I should have followed my
gut instinct on him. He was being pursued by various solicitor firms
for copyright infringement as he copied the material of various
authors and publishers, and resold it on at greatly reduced rates. He
spent some whole days at home on international phone calls to
relatives in India using my landline. The flat became a mess and he
didn't lift a finger to help keep the place clean. In fact some items
in the flat such as furniture and bathroom fixtures were damaged by
him.

I then asked him to leave. He said he wouldn't leave until he received
back his full deposit plus rent outstanding for the remainder days of
the month - fair enough except there was already damage to the place
attributable to him. He also refused to pay half of the bills as
agreed.

When I offered him a cheque, he refused to accept it and said he only
wanted cash. When I told him again forcefully to accept the cheque and
leave, he said he wouldn't, and that he would invite extra friends
over to squat at my place and I was welcome to try to evict them too.
He refused to hand over my keys when I asked for them.

When I tried to start moving his things out, he pushed me out of his
(my!) room, saying I've "messed with the wrong person". He then said
he could have made copies of my keys and could come back later to
trash the place even if I did get rid of him, so I better do things on
his terms. He also said he would contact my work and social networks
to spread rumours. He had gone through my post and checked the "Return
addresses" while I was away at work while he was at home, so he knows
where I work and who my networks are.

In the end I got rid of him by paying him what he demanded by
(remaining rent + deposit, excluding bills).

As I understand it, he's committed a litany of crimes and civil
wrongs. The criminal acts are assault & battery, intimidation and
(perhaps?) robbery. I had no choice but to comply with giving him
whatever money he wanted. The civil wrongs were trespass and
contractual issues.

Now that he's left, would the police be interested in the matter?

I'm an academic with a career in front of me and I don't want to get
into any unnecessary problems if I can avoid it. I do have audio
recordings of most of the above as it became clear things were
escalating (not all of the threats though) so I can back my words up
if need be.

What about the Councils he's on housing benefits and jobseekers
allowance on? Should I report the incident to them? I have told them
that they would be notified of his departure, and I could just
elaborate on the circumstances he left under.

If I do report the matter to the authorities, how will they deal with
him and can I expect him to be in a position to carry out any of his
threats of retaliation?

Any advice would be gratefully received.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
If he still has your keys the first thing to do is change all your locks & 
install an intruder alarm.
Police will not be interested since it will be mostly a civil matter and his 
word against yours, despite the tapes.
I'd suggest suing him for the return of your money, damage to your property 
and his phone calls, but if he's on JSA & HB you will never see this money.
Council will stop his HB as far as your premises are concerned.
Other than that, learn & move on.
If you take on a lodger again, insist on two references, one from a previous 
landlord.
Hopefully your gut instinct will have been strengthened by the experience.

On 13 Oct, 16:12, Baldoni  wrote:
> C. Walker expressed precisely :
>
>
>
>
>
> > Long story but please bear with me. I'm very stressed out as I'm  not
> > used to all this intimidation and stress.
>
> > Recently I took on a lodger who was on housing benefits and jobseekers
> > allowance. To make ends meet, I needed to supplement my income with
> > the £4250 annual tax free rental allowance under the "Rent a room"
> > scheme. I made it quite clear to him and the Council from the start
> > that he was a lodger so there is no issue about him being a tenant.
>
> > Soon after he moved in, it was clear that I should have followed my
> > gut instinct on him. He was being pursued by various solicitor firms
> > for copyright infringement as he copied the material of various
> > authors and publishers, and resold it on at greatly reduced rates. He
> > spent some whole days at home on international phone calls to
> > relatives in India using my landline. The flat became a mess and he
> > didn't lift a finger to help keep the place clean. In fact some items
> > in the flat such as furniture and bathroom fixtures were damaged by
> > him.
>
> > I then asked him to leave. He said he wouldn't leave until he received
> > back his full deposit plus rent outstanding for the remainder days of
> > the month - fair enough except there was already damage to the place
> > attributable to him. He also refused to pay half of the bills as
> > agreed.
>
> > When I offered him a cheque, he refused to accept it and said he only
> > wanted cash. When I told him again forcefully to accept the cheque and
> > leave, he said he wouldn't, and that he would invite extra friends
> > over to squat at my place and I was welcome to try to evict them too.
> > He refused to hand over my keys when I asked for them.
>
> > When I tried to start moving his things out, he pushed me out of his
> > (my!) room, saying I've "messed with the wrong person". He then said
> > he could have made copies of my keys and could come back later to
> > trash the place even if I did get rid of him, so I better do things on
> > his terms. He also said he would contact my work and social networks
> > to spread rumours. He had gone through my post and checked the "Return
> > addresses" while I was away at work while he was at home, so he knows
> > where I work and who my networks are.
>
> > In the end I got rid of him by paying him what he demanded by
> > (remaining rent  deposit, excluding bills).
>
> > As I understand it, he's committed a litany of crimes and civil
> > wrongs. The criminal acts are assault & battery, intimidation and
> > (perhaps?) robbery. I had no choice but to comply with giving him
> > whatever money he wanted. The civil wrongs were trespass and
> > contractual issues.
>
> > Now that he's left, would the police be interested in the matter?
>
> > I'm an academic with a career in front of me and I don't want to get
> > into any unnecessary problems if I can avoid it. I do have audio
> > recordings of most of the above as it became clear things were
> > escalating (not all of the threats though) so I can back my words up
> > if need be.
>
> > What about the Councils he's on housing benefits and jobseekers
> > allowance on? Should I report the incident to them? I have told them
> > that they would be notified of his departure, and I could just
> > elaborate on the circumstances he left under.
>
> > If I do report the matter to the authorities, how will they deal with
> > him and can I expect him to be in a position to carry out any of his
> > threats of retaliation?
>
> > Any advice would be gratefully received.
>
> I would not worry about it.  The Police will not be interested.  Say
> nothing to nobody and put it to bed.

Alright thanks for the advice. I wasn't sure I wanted the extra stress
of the police on top of all this, for what might amount to nought.

> If the cunt had tried that shit with me though I would have had the
> Indian cowsun beaten to within an inch of his life.

The way I saw it, if I did physically retaliate, it would escalate
from shoving to blows, at which point the police would definitely be
involved, and I'd definitely get DNA swabbed at the very least, apart
from what the neighbours would say. Basically, I have more of a
reputation to lose than he does.

> No fucker seems able to behave themselves these days.

Agreed, people like that will one day rile up the wrong sort.

On 13 Oct, 16:19, "mentalguy2004"  wrote:

> Sounds like a case where you needed to assemble a group of large friends, to
> chuck this dickhead and his junk onto the street, and make it clear to him
> that coming back wouldn't be good for his health. Not strictly legal, but a
> damn sight more effective and cheaper, I know from experience.

Your post brings a happy smile to my grim day. Where can I get friends
such as these?

> The Council won't care about his behaviour or reason for "eviction", they'll
> only care about overpaying you his rent after he left. Similarly, the
> jobseekers won't care either, unless you have evidence that he was working.
> I can't speak for possible legal remedies or possible Police help, but I
> wouldn't hold your breath there either.

Alright.

> Put it down to experience, and make sure you use a responsible agency for
> finding lodgers next time.

After this experience, I'm done with lodgers. I'd rather try to make
ends meet without the extra rent income.

When I first asked him to leave, he wanted two weeks notice before
going. I waited for two weeks and felt uncomfortable living in my own
home. When today came, he wanted one more week, and I could see this
going on indefinitely.

> If you felt really mischievous, you could phone
> all the strange numbers on your phone bill and tell them you are a policeman
> investigating Mr ***** for child-molestation.

Nice idea but I think I'll just put this all behind me. People of his
sort would get what they deserve one day.

On 13 Oct, 16:27, "Janitor of Lunacy"  wrote:

> If he still has your keys the first thing to do is change all your locks &
> install an intruder alarm.

He did return the keys but he first made the copy-key threat when I
first gave him notice two weeks ago. I'll work on installing an
intruder alarm though.

> Police will not be interested since it will be mostly a civil matter and his
> word against yours, despite the tapes.

If we go back to the bit where he was refusing to leave and physically
shoved me out of my own house's bedroom, should I have called the
police there and then?

What action could I have expected to ensue?

> I'd suggest suing him for the return of your money, damage to your property
> and his phone calls, but if he's on JSA & HB you will never see this money.

Agreed, blood from a stone. And frankly the *possibility* of
reclaiming the £200 or so he owes me is not worth living in constant
worry about a brick through my window or glue in my locks.

> Council will stop his HB as far as your premises are concerned.
> Other than that, learn & move on.
> If you take on a lodger again, insist on two references, one from a previous
> landlord.
> Hopefully your gut instinct will have been strengthened by the experience.

What I am so angry & wound up about was not only all the shoving,
intimidation and threats, but also that I decided to trust him on a
misguided idea that I should help out the less fortunate such as those
on JSA & HB. He told me a whole sob story before he moved in that no
one wanted anything to do with him after hearing he was on JSA & HB,
and I thought I would be the one to make a difference to him and trust
him. So much for gratitude.

I don't know whether I can trust any needy person ever again. Perhaps
they are needy because they're not nice people to start with, or being
needy embitters them and turns them into horrible people.

"C. Walker"  wrote in message 
news:1192295078.566499.240000@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On 13 Oct, 16:27, "Janitor of Lunacy"  wrote:

> If he still has your keys the first thing to do is change all your locks &
> install an intruder alarm.

He did return the keys but he first made the copy-key threat when I
first gave him notice two weeks ago. I'll work on installing an
intruder alarm though.

> Police will not be interested since it will be mostly a civil matter and 
> his
> word against yours, despite the tapes.

If we go back to the bit where he was refusing to leave and physically
shoved me out of my own house's bedroom, should I have called the
police there and then?

What action could I have expected to ensue?

> I'd suggest suing him for the return of your money, damage to your 
> property
> and his phone calls, but if he's on JSA & HB you will never see this 
> money.

Agreed, blood from a stone. And frankly the *possibility* of
reclaiming the £200 or so he owes me is not worth living in constant
worry about a brick through my window or glue in my locks.

> Council will stop his HB as far as your premises are concerned.
> Other than that, learn & move on.
> If you take on a lodger again, insist on two references, one from a 
> previous
> landlord.
> Hopefully your gut instinct will have been strengthened by the experience.

What I am so angry & wound up about was not only all the shoving,
intimidation and threats, but also that I decided to trust him on a
misguided idea that I should help out the less fortunate such as those
on JSA & HB. He told me a whole sob story before he moved in that no
one wanted anything to do with him after hearing he was on JSA & HB,
and I thought I would be the one to make a difference to him and trust
him. So much for gratitude.

I don't know whether I can trust any needy person ever again. Perhaps
they are needy because they're not nice people to start with, or being
needy embitters them and turns them into horrible people.
----------------------------------------------------
You could have called the police but as it was an incident on private 
property they would probably have considered it on a par with a "domestic" 
and not want to get involved. Since this was a "one-on-one" incident the CPS 
wouldn't have touched it with a bargepole unless you had been visibly, and 
more than trivially, injured.

My own policy may be considered racist but at least it's based on years of 
experience:
Never trust (a) Nigerians (b) Russians or (c) Asians, in roughly that order.

On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 17:33:44 GMT, "Janitor of Lunacy"
 wrote:

snipped 
>----------------------------------------------------
>You could have called the police but as it was an incident on private 
>property they would probably have considered it on a par with a "domestic" 
>and not want to get involved. Since this was a "one-on-one" incident the CPS 
>wouldn't have touched it with a bargepole unless you had been visibly, and 
>more than trivially, injured.
>
>
" A domestic" .

I thought that shit had been kicked in to touch years ago . ?..

as in "Man smacks his wife" .Oh it's just a domestic !!!

"Stuart B"  wrote in message 
news:ta12h3dvpsib04omum6fbjfcd133tnsiol@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 17:33:44 GMT, "Janitor of Lunacy"
>  wrote:
>
> snipped
>>----------------------------------------------------
>>You could have called the police but as it was an incident on private
>>property they would probably have considered it on a par with a "domestic"
>>and not want to get involved. Since this was a "one-on-one" incident the 
>>CPS
>>wouldn't have touched it with a bargepole unless you had been visibly, and
>>more than trivially, injured.
>>
>>
> " A domestic" .
>
> I thought that shit had been kicked in to touch years ago . ?..
>
> as in "Man smacks his wife" .Oh it's just a domestic !!!

No. It's obviously  a question of degree, but I still hear police officers 
referring to "domestics".

Janitor of Lunacy wrote:

> You could have called the police but as it was an incident on private
> property they would probably have considered it on a par with a "domestic"
> and not want to get involved. Since this was a "one-on-one" incident the CPS
> wouldn't have touched it with a bargepole unless you had been visibly, and
> more than trivially, injured.

So supposing I physically retaliated against his shoving and things
came to blows. In general, do the CPS and jurors see the more
grievously injured person as the victim? I say this because our
relative sizes (I'm lean while he was muscular + obese) meant that me
subduing him wouldn't be through an arm lock or somesuch, it would be
through more direct force to his joints and other organs.

Of course, even if I did kick him out with his tail between his legs,
he knows where I live while I don't.

> My own policy may be considered racist but at least it's based on years of
> experience:
> Never trust (a) Nigerians (b) Russians or (c) Asians, in roughly that order.

I suppressed my misgivings to trust him in this instance, despite
having my own "list" and him coming from it. Obviously a mistake on my
part, one that I will never, ever repeat - there is always at least a
grain of truth in a stereotype that endures.

What I am so angry & wound up about was not only all the shoving,
intimidation and threats, but also that I decided to trust him on a
misguided idea that I should help out the less fortunate such as those
on JSA & HB. He told me a whole sob story before he moved in that no
one wanted anything to do with him after hearing he was on JSA & HB,
and I thought I would be the one to make a difference to him and trust
him. So much for gratitude.

I don't know whether I can trust any needy person ever again. Perhaps
they are needy because they're not nice people to start with, or being
needy embitters them and turns them into horrible people.

Maybe you were interested for a different reason and he wasn't in to the 
same sort of thing.
You should get out more if you want a relationship.
It sounds like you have a story to tell but do not want to give the real 
facts.  Is that why you think the neighbours would turn against you?

On Oct 13, 6:33 pm, "Janitor of Lunacy"  wrote:
> Never trust (a) Nigerians (b) Russians or (c) Asians, in roughly that order.
======================================================

Russians are Asians, east of the Ural mountains...... however, the PC
loonies imposed a new and misleading and confusing "meaning" to the
word Asian, apparently referring only to non-white former residents of
Pakistan, India and Bangladesh.
"South Asian" would have been less confusing, but still too vague.

So you trust the Irish, do you?
-------------------------------------------------------------

On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 18:08:11 GMT, "Janitor of Lunacy"
 wrote:

>
>"Stuart B"  wrote in message 
>news:ta12h3dvpsib04omum6fbjfcd133tnsiol@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 17:33:44 GMT, "Janitor of Lunacy"
>>  wrote:
>>
>> snipped
>>>----------------------------------------------------
>>>You could have called the police but as it was an incident on private
>>>property they would probably have considered it on a par with a "domestic"
>>>and not want to get involved. Since this was a "one-on-one" incident the 
>>>CPS
>>>wouldn't have touched it with a bargepole unless you had been visibly, and
>>>more than trivially, injured.
>>>
>>>
>> " A domestic" .
>>
>> I thought that shit had been kicked in to touch years ago . ?..
>>
>> as in "Man smacks his wife" .Oh it's just a domestic !!!
>
>No. It's obviously  a question of degree, but I still hear police officers 
>referring to "domestics".
>

Oh well if cops are using the expression it must be all right then
.....!!!

"Stuart B"  wrote in message 
news:q8d2h3dlaiua90147ruk6k2ck12280m3j3@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 18:08:11 GMT, "Janitor of Lunacy"
>  wrote:
>
>>
>>"Stuart B"  wrote in message
>>news:ta12h3dvpsib04omum6fbjfcd133tnsiol@4ax.com...
>>> On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 17:33:44 GMT, "Janitor of Lunacy"
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> snipped
>>>>----------------------------------------------------
>>>>You could have called the police but as it was an incident on private
>>>>property they would probably have considered it on a par with a 
>>>>"domestic"
>>>>and not want to get involved. Since this was a "one-on-one" incident the
>>>>CPS
>>>>wouldn't have touched it with a bargepole unless you had been visibly, 
>>>>and
>>>>more than trivially, injured.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> " A domestic" .
>>>
>>> I thought that shit had been kicked in to touch years ago . ?..
>>>
>>> as in "Man smacks his wife" .Oh it's just a domestic !!!
>>
>>No. It's obviously  a question of degree, but I still hear police officers
>>referring to "domestics".
>>
>
> Oh well if cops are using the expression it must be all right then

Not my words, I hasten to add.

wrote in message 
news:1192303244.559287.21670@k35g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 13, 6:33 pm, "Janitor of Lunacy"  wrote:
>> Never trust (a) Nigerians (b) Russians or (c) Asians, in roughly that 
>> order.
> ======================================================
>
> Russians are Asians, east of the Ural mountains...... however, the PC
> loonies imposed a new and misleading and confusing "meaning" to the
> word Asian, apparently referring only to non-white former residents of
> Pakistan, India and Bangladesh.
> "South Asian" would have been less confusing, but still too vague.
>
> So you trust the Irish, do you?
> -------------------------------------------------------------
>
And why shouldn't he? The Irish, English, Scots and Welsh are basically the 
same people with the same views, morals, attitudes and ways of life. If you 
were dropped into any one of those countries with no ear for accents you 
wouldn't know where the hell you were. The seperate peoples of these 
countries may not like to believe it but it is true.

By the way, I am not suggesting they are better then anyone else, just that 
the percieved differences between those above mentioned countries simply do 
not exist.

On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 21:27:56 GMT, "Janitor of Lunacy"
 wrote:

>
>"Stuart B"  wrote in message 
>news:q8d2h3dlaiua90147ruk6k2ck12280m3j3@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 18:08:11 GMT, "Janitor of Lunacy"
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Stuart B"  wrote in message
>>>news:ta12h3dvpsib04omum6fbjfcd133tnsiol@4ax.com...
>>>> On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 17:33:44 GMT, "Janitor of Lunacy"
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> snipped
>>>>>----------------------------------------------------
>>>>>You could have called the police but as it was an incident on private
>>>>>property they would probably have considered it on a par with a 
>>>>>"domestic"
>>>>>and not want to get involved. Since this was a "one-on-one" incident the
>>>>>CPS
>>>>>wouldn't have touched it with a bargepole unless you had been visibly, 
>>>>>and
>>>>>more than trivially, injured.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> " A domestic" .
>>>>
>>>> I thought that shit had been kicked in to touch years ago . ?..
>>>>
>>>> as in "Man smacks his wife" .Oh it's just a domestic !!!
>>>
>>>No. It's obviously  a question of degree, but I still hear police officers
>>>referring to "domestics".
>>>
>>
>> Oh well if cops are using the expression it must be all right then
>
>Not my words, I hasten to add. 
>

No...I understand .:-)

Bob the builder wrote:
>  wrote in message 
> news:1192303244.559287.21670@k35g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>> On Oct 13, 6:33 pm, "Janitor of Lunacy"  wrote:
>>> Never trust (a) Nigerians (b) Russians or (c) Asians, in roughly that 
>>> order.
>> ======================================================
>>
>> Russians are Asians, east of the Ural mountains...... however, the PC
>> loonies imposed a new and misleading and confusing "meaning" to the
>> word Asian, apparently referring only to non-white former residents of
>> Pakistan, India and Bangladesh.
>> "South Asian" would have been less confusing, but still too vague.
>>
>> So you trust the Irish, do you?
>> -------------------------------------------------------------
>>
> And why shouldn't he? The Irish, English, Scots and Welsh are basically the 
> same people with the same views, morals, attitudes and ways of life. If you 
> were dropped into any one of those countries with no ear for accents you 
> wouldn't know where the hell you were. The seperate peoples of these 
> countries may not like to believe it but it is true.
> 
> By the way, I am not suggesting they are better then anyone else, just that 
> the percieved differences between those above mentioned countries simply do 
> not exist. 
> 
> 
Except when it comes to buying the next round.

Cheers Paddy, it's always been fun drinking with you, more so than with 
some of the others mentioned.

-- 
Moving things in still pictures!

On 13 Oct, 19:14, "C. Walker"  wrote:
> Janitor of Lunacy wrote:
> > You could have called the police but as it was an incident on private
> > property they would probably have considered it on a par with a "domestic"
> > and not want to get involved. Since this was a "one-on-one" incident the CPS
> > wouldn't have touched it with a bargepole unless you had been visibly, and
> > more than trivially, injured.
>
> So supposing I physically retaliated against his shoving and things
> came to blows. In general, do the CPS and jurors see the more
> grievously injured person as the victim? I say this because our
> relative sizes (I'm lean while he was muscular + obese) meant that me
> subduing him wouldn't be through an arm lock or somesuch, it would be
> through more direct force to his joints and other organs.
>
> Of course, even if I did kick him out with his tail between his legs,
> he knows where I live while I don't.

You don't know where you live?

So how do you do your shopping?