Just got back from a week up the Caldon - wel, I have, boat's at Red Bul
having a leak sorted... but apart from that, what I've got is  a lot of
vibration at slow revs (Lister SR2, aircooled).  It's fine on tickover
and fine at about 3 mph but anywhere in the middle and the whole boat
vibrates which I suspect is not doing anything much cop.

I know the fuel filter needs changing, but I can't see that would
explain it, so any other possibilities leap to mind?  It's got a
flexible coupling and a new propshaft.

After about 3mph, it doesn't speed up much however far forward you whack
the control lever, just adds more black smoke to the exhaust.  If it was
a car I'd suspect the clutch as slipping - could this be it? And if so
what do I do about it?

The whole engine got a major overhaul about ten years ago so I should
have thought it should be OK for a few years yet. Oil gets changed twice
a year...

-- 

                    Arthur Marshall           
              nb Lord Byron's Maggot
            arthur@barndancer.co.uk
                www.ktblarney.co.uk
              www.barndancer.co.uk

On Oct 29, 9:21 pm, Arthur Marshall  wrote:
> Just got back from a week up the Caldon - wel, I have, boat's at Red Bul
> having a leak sorted... but apart from that, what I've got is  a lot of
> vibration at slow revs (Lister SR2, aircooled).  It's fine on tickover
> and fine at about 3 mph but anywhere in the middle and the whole boat
> vibrates which I suspect is not doing anything much cop.
>
> I know the fuel filter needs changing, but I can't see that would
> explain it, so any other possibilities leap to mind?  It's got a
> flexible coupling and a new propshaft.
>
> After about 3mph, it doesn't speed up much however far forward you whack
> the control lever, just adds more black smoke to the exhaust.  If it was
> a car I'd suspect the clutch as slipping - could this be it? And if so
> what do I do about it?
>
> The whole engine got a major overhaul about ten years ago so I should
> have thought it should be OK for a few years yet. Oil gets changed twice
> a year...
>

An obvious one, Arthur, but are the engine mountings OK? Sometimes a
broken bolt is not obvious when the engine is stationary.

Tone

Arthur Marshall wrote:
> Just got back from a week up the Caldon - wel, I have, boat's at Red Bul
> having a leak sorted... but apart from that, what I've got is  a lot of
> vibration at slow revs (Lister SR2, aircooled).  It's fine on tickover
> and fine at about 3 mph but anywhere in the middle and the whole boat
> vibrates which I suspect is not doing anything much cop.
> 
> I know the fuel filter needs changing, but I can't see that would
> explain it, so any other possibilities leap to mind?  It's got a
> flexible coupling and a new propshaft.
> 
> After about 3mph, it doesn't speed up much however far forward you whack
> the control lever, just adds more black smoke to the exhaust.  If it was
> a car I'd suspect the clutch as slipping - could this be it? And if so
> what do I do about it?
> 
> The whole engine got a major overhaul about ten years ago so I should
> have thought it should be OK for a few years yet. Oil gets changed twice
> a year...
> 
whats wrapped arround the prop sounds like mine when i got a load of 
plastic sheet in the prop

The message

from Tony Haynes  contains these words:

> > The whole engine got a major overhaul about ten years ago so I should
> > have thought it should be OK for a few years yet. Oil gets changed twice
> > a year...
> >

> An obvious one, Arthur, but are the engine mountings OK? Sometimes a
> broken bolt is not obvious when the engine is stationary.

Bolts are OK but the vibration is taking its toll! I broke three last
year. Mind you, i suspect they had ben there for about forty years, so
it's reasonable they should all go at about the same time. New ones are
fine.

Nothing round the prop.

Mind you, the leak I've got is at the point where the propshaft comes
through the hull. I have no real idea what goes on round that bit of the
boat, so I suppose if whatever it's stuck to is coming loose the prop
could be flailing round a bit.

-- 

                    Arthur Marshall           
              nb Lord Byron's Maggot
            arthur@barndancer.co.uk
                www.ktblarney.co.uk
              www.barndancer.co.uk
       www.myspace.com/arthurhimself

On Oct 30, 2:04 pm, Arthur Marshall  wrote:
> The message
> 
> from Tony Haynes  contains these words:
>
> > > The whole engine got a major overhaul about ten years ago so I should
> > > have thought it should be OK for a few years yet. Oil gets changed twice
> > > a year...
>
> > An obvious one, Arthur, but are the engine mountings OK? Sometimes a
> > broken bolt is not obvious when the engine is stationary.
>
> Bolts are OK but the vibration is taking its toll! I broke three last
> year. Mind you, i suspect they had ben there for about forty years, so
> it's reasonable they should all go at about the same time. New ones are
> fine.
>
> Nothing round the prop.
>
> Mind you, the leak I've got is at the point where the propshaft comes
> through the hull. I have no real idea what goes on round that bit of the
> boat, so I suppose if whatever it's stuck to is coming loose the prop
> could be flailing round a bit.
>
> --

Can you check the prop for security, or a broken or bent blade, or
even a slightly bent shaft just in front of the prop? Any of these
would make leakage through the rear gland seal worse.

I once had a motorcycle head gasket firmly wedged around one of my
blades. How it got there I have no idea, but that caused considerable
vibration and rear gland leakage, very noisy cavitation too.

Tone

Tony Haynes wrote:
> On Oct 30, 2:04 pm, Arthur Marshall  wrote:

>
> I once had a motorcycle head gasket firmly wedged around one of my
> blades. How it got there I have no idea, but that caused considerable
> vibration and rear gland leakage, very noisy cavitation too.

More than likely ventilation Tony - but let's not start that one up :->

Mike
-- 

Mike & Krystyna Wooding
nb Draco:  http://www.draco.me.uk
Blog:  http://dracostravels.blogspot.com
Draco Crafts: http://www.dracocrafts.co,uk

On Oct 31, 4:57 pm, "Mike & Krystyna Wooding" <mikeand
kryst...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Tony Haynes wrote:
> > On Oct 30, 2:04 pm, Arthur Marshall  wrote:
>
> > I once had a motorcycle head gasket firmly wedged around one of my
> > blades. How it got there I have no idea, but that caused considerable
> > vibration and rear gland leakage, very noisy cavitation too.
>
> More than likely ventilation Tony - but let's not start that one up :->
>
> Mike
> --
>
> Mike & Krystyna Wooding
> nb Draco:  http://www.draco.me.uk
> Blog:  http://dracostravels.blogspot.com
> Draco Crafts:http://www.dracocrafts.co,uk

Will you settle for bubbles?

Tone

The message

from Tony Haynes  contains these words:

> Can you check the prop for security, or a broken or bent blade, or
> even a slightly bent shaft just in front of the prop? 

This weeks prize appears to go to Tony - according to boat doctor who
was stuffing weld down the rust holes in the back of the boat, the prop
was a bit loose.  He said it was something to do with the
forward/reverse gizmo - does this make sense to anyone out there? 
Anyway, he's tightened it all up and reckons it should be better... I've
had the thing blacked while it was out of the water so I'll know
tomorrow.

Glad I'm not picking it up today - weather's horrible. 

-- 

                    Arthur Marshall           
              nb Lord Byron's Maggot
            arthur@barndancer.co.uk
                www.ktblarney.co.uk
              www.barndancer.co.uk
       www.myspace.com/arthurhimself

Tony Haynes wrote:
> On Oct 31, 4:57 pm, "Mike & Krystyna Wooding" <mikeand
> kryst...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> Tony Haynes wrote:
>> > On Oct 30, 2:04 pm, Arthur Marshall  wrote:
>>
>> > I once had a motorcycle head gasket firmly wedged around one of my
>> > blades. How it got there I have no idea, but that caused
>> > considerable vibration and rear gland leakage, very noisy
>> > cavitation too.
>>
>> More than likely ventilation Tony - but let's not start that one up
>> :->
>>
>> Mike
>> --
>>
>> Mike & Krystyna Wooding
>> nb Draco: http://www.draco.me.uk
>> Blog: http://dracostravels.blogspot.com
>> Draco Crafts:http://www.dracocrafts.co,uk
>
> Will you settle for bubbles?

Done!

Mike

-- 

Mike & Krystyna Wooding
nb Draco:  http://www.draco.me.uk
Blog:  http://dracostravels.blogspot.com
Draco Crafts: http://www.dracocrafts.co,uk

On Nov 1, 11:07 am, Arthur Marshall  wrote:
> The message
> 
> from Tony Haynes  contains these words:
>
> > Can you check the prop for security, or a broken or bent blade, or
> > even a slightly bent shaft just in front of the prop?
>
> This weeks prize appears to go to Tony - according to boat doctor who
> was stuffing weld down the rust holes in the back of the boat, the prop
> was a bit loose.  He said it was something to do with the
> forward/reverse gizmo - does this make sense to anyone out there?
> Anyway, he's tightened it all up and reckons it should be better... I've
> had the thing blacked while it was out of the water so I'll know
> tomorrow.
>
> Glad I'm not picking it up today - weather's horrible.
>
> --
>
>                     Arthur Marshall          
>               nb Lord Byron's Maggot
>             art...@barndancer.co.uk
>                www.ktblarney.co.uk
>              www.barndancer.co.uk
>        www.myspace.com/arthurhimself

Hope it's OK. Is it still PC to say 'blacking'?

Tone

The message

from Tony Haynes  contains these words:

> Hope it's OK. Is it still PC to say 'blacking'?

It's still floating and no drops, apart from the steerer.

Not sure about blacking, though.  Colouring would be worse.

PC has it's points, but until they make pink bitumen...

-- 

                    Arthur Marshall           
              nb Lord Byron's Maggot
            arthur@barndancer.co.uk
                www.ktblarney.co.uk
              www.barndancer.co.uk
       www.myspace.com/arthurhimself

Arthur Marshall wrote:
> The message
> 
> from Tony Haynes  contains these
> words:
>
>> Hope it's OK. Is it still PC to say 'blacking'?
>
> It's still floating and no drops, apart from the steerer.
>
> Not sure about blacking, though.  Colouring would be worse.
>
> PC has it's points, but until they make pink bitumen...

I'm sure Brian Holmes would be interested when they do :-)

-- 
Neil Arlidge
NB Earnest
TNC http://www.tuesdaynightclub.co.uk/tour.html

On Nov 3, 8:34 pm, "Neil Arlidge" 
wrote:
> Arthur Marshall wrote:
> > The message
> > 
> > from Tony Haynes  contains these
> > words:
>
> >> Hope it's OK. Is it still PC to say 'blacking'?
>
> > It's still floating and no drops, apart from the steerer.
>
> > Not sure about blacking, though.  Colouring would be worse.
>
> > PC has it's points, but until they make pink bitumen...
>
> I'm sure Brian Holmes would be interested when they do :-)
>
> --
> Neil Arlidge
> NB Earnest
> TNChttp://www.tuesdaynightclub.co.uk/tour.html

That would be an interesting pole. If there was an alternative colour
to black for blacking the hull, what would we prefer?

Tone

The message 
from Tony Haynes  contains these words:


> That would be an interesting poll. If there was an alternative colour
> to black for blacking the hull, what would we prefer?

Don't be silly, you can't black the hull with anything except black
because then you wouldn't be blacking it.  Purpling it would be
ridiculous.  

Anyway, black's a REAL man's colour, even if it isn't really a colour anyway.

-- 

                    Arthur Marshall           
              nb Lord Byron's Maggot
            arthur@barndancer.co.uk
                www.ktblarney.co.uk
              www.barndancer.co.uk
       www.myspace.com/arthurhimself

"Arthur Marshall"  wrote in message 
news:31303030323539354AF1AD0553@zetnet.co.uk...
> The message 
> 
> from Tony Haynes  contains these words:
>
>
>> That would be an interesting poll. If there was an alternative colour
>> to black for blacking the hull, what would we prefer?
>
> Don't be silly, you can't black the hull with anything except black
> because then you wouldn't be blacking it.  Purpling it would be
> ridiculous.
>
> Anyway, black's a REAL man's colour, even if it isn't really a colour 
> anyway.
>
> -- 
>
>                    Arthur Marshall
>              nb Lord Byron's Maggot
>            arthur@barndancer.co.uk
>                www.ktblarney.co.uk
>              www.barndancer.co.uk
>       www.myspace.com/arthurhimself

Black *is* a colour - so are pink, blue, brown, green and yellow.
Red is not a colour.

-- 

JOhn

NB Watchingtoomuchsnooker
My indecision is final.

John Gwalter wrote:
> "Arthur Marshall"  wrote in message
> news:31303030323539354AF1AD0553@zetnet.co.uk...
>> The message
>> 
>> from Tony Haynes  contains these
>> words:
>>
>>> That would be an interesting poll. If there was an alternative
>>> colour to black for blacking the hull, what would we prefer?
>>
>> Don't be silly, you can't black the hull with anything except black
>> because then you wouldn't be blacking it.  Purpling it would be
>> ridiculous.
>>
>> Anyway, black's a REAL man's colour, even if it isn't really a colour
>> anyway.
>>
>> --
>>
>>                    Arthur Marshall
>>              nb Lord Byron's Maggot
>>            arthur@barndancer.co.uk
>>                www.ktblarney.co.uk
>>              www.barndancer.co.uk
>>       www.myspace.com/arthurhimself
>
> Black *is* a colour - so are pink, blue, brown, green and yellow.
> Red is not a colour.

Disagree here John, Black is the absence of colour. Black can be referred to 
as an achromatic 'colour', but is essentially the 'colour' of objects than 
do neither emit, nor reflect light in the visible spectrum, but absorb all 
visible light frequencies.

As for red, if it is at a wavelength that is visible to the eye, then  it is 
a colour.

Mike :->

-- 

Mike & Krystyna Wooding
nb Draco:  http://www.draco.me.uk
Blog:  http://dracostravels.blogspot.com
Draco Crafts: http://www.dracocrafts.co,uk

"Mike & Krystyna Wooding" <mikeand krystyna@googlemail.com> wrote in message 
news:7le3i6F3ctfmjU1@mid.individual.net...
> John Gwalter wrote:
>> "Arthur Marshall"  wrote in message
>> news:31303030323539354AF1AD0553@zetnet.co.uk...
>>> The message
>>> 
>>> from Tony Haynes  contains these
>>> words:
>>>
>>>> That would be an interesting poll. If there was an alternative
>>>> colour to black for blacking the hull, what would we prefer?
>>>
>>> Don't be silly, you can't black the hull with anything except black
>>> because then you wouldn't be blacking it.  Purpling it would be
>>> ridiculous.
>>>
>>> Anyway, black's a REAL man's colour, even if it isn't really a colour
>>> anyway.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>                    Arthur Marshall
>>>              nb Lord Byron's Maggot
>>>            arthur@barndancer.co.uk
>>>                www.ktblarney.co.uk
>>>              www.barndancer.co.uk
>>>       www.myspace.com/arthurhimself
>>
>> Black *is* a colour - so are pink, blue, brown, green and yellow.
>> Red is not a colour.
>
> Disagree here John, Black is the absence of colour. Black can be referred 
> to as an achromatic 'colour', but is essentially the 'colour' of objects 
> than do neither emit, nor reflect light in the visible spectrum, but 
> absorb all visible light frequencies.
>
> As for red, if it is at a wavelength that is visible to the eye, then  it 
> is a colour.
>
> Mike :->
>
> -- 
>
> Mike & Krystyna Wooding
> nb Draco:  http://www.draco.me.uk
> Blog:  http://dracostravels.blogspot.com
> Draco Crafts: http://www.dracocrafts.co,uk
>
You missed my sig, Mike.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Gwalter" 
Newsgroups: uk.rec.waterways
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: Lister vibration


> "Arthur Marshall"  wrote in message 
> news:31303030323539354AF1AD0553@zetnet.co.uk...
>> The message 
>> 
>> from Tony Haynes  contains these words:
>>
>>
>>> That would be an interesting poll. If there was an alternative colour
>>> to black for blacking the hull, what would we prefer?
>>
>> Don't be silly, you can't black the hull with anything except black
>> because then you wouldn't be blacking it.  Purpling it would be
>> ridiculous.
>>
>> Anyway, black's a REAL man's colour, even if it isn't really a colour 
>> anyway.
>>
>> -- 
>>
>>                    Arthur Marshall
>>              nb Lord Byron's Maggot
>>            arthur@barndancer.co.uk
>>                www.ktblarney.co.uk
>>              www.barndancer.co.uk
>>       www.myspace.com/arthurhimself
>
> Black *is* a colour - so are pink, blue, brown, green and yellow.
> Red is not a colour.
>

I was about to point out that black is "no colour as in no reflected light"
when I read your comment again John.   I'm now forced to agree with you that
black is a colour  :-)}

 However white is all colours!

Cheers

Guy

BTW sorry I sent this to you not the group at the first attempt
-- 
Guy Morgan
First Light Services
nb Virgo, WFB, Stockton, GU

News wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Gwalter" 
> Newsgroups: uk.rec.waterways
> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 4:45 PM
> Subject: Re: Lister vibration
>
>
>> "Arthur Marshall"  wrote in message
>> news:31303030323539354AF1AD0553@zetnet.co.uk...
>>> The message
>>> 
>>> from Tony Haynes  contains these
>>> words:
>>>
>>>> That would be an interesting poll. If there was an alternative
>>>> colour to black for blacking the hull, what would we prefer?
>>>
>>> Don't be silly, you can't black the hull with anything except black
>>> because then you wouldn't be blacking it.  Purpling it would be
>>> ridiculous.
>>>
>>> Anyway, black's a REAL man's colour, even if it isn't really a
>>> colour anyway.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>                    Arthur Marshall
>>>              nb Lord Byron's Maggot
>>>            arthur@barndancer.co.uk
>>>                www.ktblarney.co.uk
>>>              www.barndancer.co.uk
>>>       www.myspace.com/arthurhimself
>>
>> Black *is* a colour - so are pink, blue, brown, green and yellow.
>> Red is not a colour.
>>
>
> I was about to point out that black is "no colour as in no reflected
> light" when I read your comment again John.   I'm now forced to agree
> with you that black is a colour  :-)}
>
> However white is all colours!

The essence indeed :->

Mike

-- 

Mike & Krystyna Wooding
nb Draco:  http://www.draco.me.uk
Blog:  http://dracostravels.blogspot.com
Draco Crafts: http://www.dracocrafts.co.uk

"Mike & Krystyna Wooding" <mikeand krystyna@googlemail.com> wrote in message 
news:7lgn76F3bo3g5U1@mid.individual.net...
> News wrote:
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "John Gwalter" 
>> Newsgroups: uk.rec.waterways
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 4:45 PM
>> Subject: Re: Lister vibration
>>
>>
>>> "Arthur Marshall"  wrote in message
>>> news:31303030323539354AF1AD0553@zetnet.co.uk...
>>>> The message
>>>> 
>>>> from Tony Haynes  contains these
>>>> words:
>>>>
>>>>> That would be an interesting poll. If there was an alternative
>>>>> colour to black for blacking the hull, what would we prefer?
>>>>
>>>> Don't be silly, you can't black the hull with anything except black
>>>> because then you wouldn't be blacking it.  Purpling it would be
>>>> ridiculous.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, black's a REAL man's colour, even if it isn't really a
>>>> colour anyway.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>>                    Arthur Marshall
>>>>              nb Lord Byron's Maggot
>>>>            arthur@barndancer.co.uk
>>>>                www.ktblarney.co.uk
>>>>              www.barndancer.co.uk
>>>>       www.myspace.com/arthurhimself
>>>
>>> Black *is* a colour - so are pink, blue, brown, green and yellow.
>>> Red is not a colour.
>>>
>>
>> I was about to point out that black is "no colour as in no reflected
>> light" when I read your comment again John.   I'm now forced to agree
>> with you that black is a colour  :-)}
>>
>> However white is all colours!
>
> The essence indeed :->
>
> Mike
>
> -- 
>
> Mike & Krystyna Wooding
> nb Draco:  http://www.draco.me.uk
> Blog:  http://dracostravels.blogspot.com
> Draco Crafts: http://www.dracocrafts.co.uk
>
So we are now all back on cue.  ;-)
-- 

JOhn

NB Watchingtoomuchsnooker

My indecision is final.

On Nov 5, 8:36 pm, "John Gwalter"  wrote:
> "Mike & Krystyna Wooding" <mikeand kryst...@googlemail.com> wrote in messagenews:7lgn76F3bo3g5U1@mid.individual.net...
>
>
>
> > News wrote:
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "John Gwalter" 
> >> Newsgroups: uk.rec.waterways
> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 4:45 PM
> >> Subject: Re: Lister vibration
>
> >>> "Arthur Marshall"  wrote in message
> >>>news:31303030323539354AF1AD0553@zetnet.co.uk...
> >>>> The message
> >>>> 
> >>>> from Tony Haynes  contains these
> >>>> words:
>
> >>>>> That would be an interesting poll. If there was an alternative
> >>>>> colour to black for blacking the hull, what would we prefer?
>
> >>>> Don't be silly, you can't black the hull with anything except black
> >>>> because then you wouldn't be blacking it.  Purpling it would be
> >>>> ridiculous.
>
> >>>> Anyway, black's a REAL man's colour, even if it isn't really a
> >>>> colour anyway.
>
> >>>> --
>
> >>>>                    Arthur Marshall
> >>>>              nb Lord Byron's Maggot
> >>>>            art...@barndancer.co.uk
> >>>>                www.ktblarney.co.uk
> >>>>              www.barndancer.co.uk
> >>>>      www.myspace.com/arthurhimself
>
> >>> Black *is* a colour - so are pink, blue, brown, green and yellow.
> >>> Red is not a colour.
>
> >> I was about to point out that black is "no colour as in no reflected
> >> light" when I read your comment again John.   I'm now forced to agree
> >> with you that black is a colour  :-)}
>
> >> However white is all colours!
>
> > The essence indeed :->
>
> > Mike
>
> > --
>
> > Mike & Krystyna Wooding
> > nb Draco:  http://www.draco.me.uk
> > Blog:  http://dracostravels.blogspot.com
> > Draco Crafts:http://www.dracocrafts.co.uk
>
> So we are now all back on cue.  ;-)
> --
>
> JOhn
>
> NB Watchingtoomuchsnooker
>
> My indecision is final.

Should that be 'on hue'?

Tone

John Gwalter wrote:
> "Mike & Krystyna Wooding" <mikeand krystyna@googlemail.com> wrote in
> message news:7lgn76F3bo3g5U1@mid.individual.net...
>> News wrote:
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "John Gwalter" 
>>> Newsgroups: uk.rec.waterways
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 4:45 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Lister vibration
>>>
>>>
>>>> "Arthur Marshall"  wrote in message
>>>> news:31303030323539354AF1AD0553@zetnet.co.uk...
>>>>> The message
>>>>> 
>>>>> from Tony Haynes  contains these
>>>>> words:
>>>>>
>>>>>> That would be an interesting poll. If there was an alternative
>>>>>> colour to black for blacking the hull, what would we prefer?
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't be silly, you can't black the hull with anything except
>>>>> black because then you wouldn't be blacking it.  Purpling it
>>>>> would be ridiculous.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, black's a REAL man's colour, even if it isn't really a
>>>>> colour anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>>                    Arthur Marshall
>>>>>              nb Lord Byron's Maggot
>>>>>            arthur@barndancer.co.uk
>>>>>                www.ktblarney.co.uk
>>>>>              www.barndancer.co.uk
>>>>>       www.myspace.com/arthurhimself
>>>>
>>>> Black *is* a colour - so are pink, blue, brown, green and yellow.
>>>> Red is not a colour.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I was about to point out that black is "no colour as in no reflected
>>> light" when I read your comment again John.   I'm now forced to
>>> agree with you that black is a colour  :-)}
>>>
>>> However white is all colours!
>>
>> The essence indeed :->
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> --
>>
>> Mike & Krystyna Wooding
>> nb Draco:  http://www.draco.me.uk
>> Blog:  http://dracostravels.blogspot.com
>> Draco Crafts: http://www.dracocrafts.co.uk
>>
> So we are now all back on cue.  ;-)

I'll get back to my bottle of red

Mike

-- 

Mike & Krystyna Wooding
nb Draco:  http://www.draco.me.uk
Blog:  http://dracostravels.blogspot.com
Draco Crafts: http://www.dracocrafts.co.uk