I love new technology, but the talk of this coming new Sony SHV (Super
High Vision) system is making me sick, having only recently spent
several hundred pounds on a new HD ready TV. Apparently this new super
high vision format makes HD look pale. Here I am, twisting my
handkerchief waiting anxiously for HD transmissions to start so I can
at last enjoy what this new TV can do, and now it's already got a
schedule for the scrap heap. I haven't even seen a HD picture on it
yet! aaaarrrrrgggghhhhh! I can't take any more of this.
It's the same with DVD. It's not been out that long, I've finally
found my feet with recording editing and burning SD movies on the
computer and such and now it's all going to be replaced by either Blue
Ray or that other Toshiba one to accomodate the increased capacity
required by HD. This means all the software I've mastered is 
redundant. The capture hardware I have will be obsolete by the time I 
blink, and it was expensive. My 4:3 screens belong in a skip. There's 
a whole new learning curve ahead of me with HD and Blue ray and such. 
And have you seen the price of HD capture hardware for computers?
Nurse!

"tg"  wrote in message 
news:466b3c8d$0$5864$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk...
>I love new technology, but the talk of this coming new Sony SHV (Super
> High Vision) system is making me sick, having only recently spent
> several hundred pounds on a new HD ready TV. Apparently this new super
> high vision format makes HD look pale. Here I am, twisting my
> handkerchief waiting anxiously for HD transmissions to start so I can
> at last enjoy what this new TV can do, and now it's already got a
> schedule for the scrap heap. I haven't even seen a HD picture on it
> yet! aaaarrrrrgggghhhhh! I can't take any more of this.
> It's the same with DVD. It's not been out that long, I've finally
> found my feet with recording editing and burning SD movies on the
> computer and such and now it's all going to be replaced by either Blue
> Ray or that other Toshiba one to accomodate the increased capacity
> required by HD. This means all the software I've mastered is redundant. 
> The capture hardware I have will be obsolete by the time I blink, and it 
> was expensive. My 4:3 screens belong in a skip. There's a whole new 
> learning curve ahead of me with HD and Blue ray and such. And have you 
> seen the price of HD capture hardware for computers?
> Nurse!
>
BUT, how would you like it if you lived when I was a boy. NO electricity, 
only gas or candlelight. The fastest you could get from A to B was 35mph 
(fast horse) etc. etc. Nothing changed for hundreds of years - how very 
boring!

-- 
John the West Ham fan
housetrained@hotmail.com
<><

On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 06:57:24 GMT, "housetrained"
 wrote:

>BUT, how would you like it if you lived when I was a boy. NO electricity, 
>only gas or candlelight. The fastest you could get from A to B was 35mph 
>(fast horse) etc. etc. Nothing changed for hundreds of years - how very 
>boring!

Blimey!  You must be well over 150 years old!

"Laurence Payne" <lpayne1NOSPAM@dslDOTpipexDOTcom> wrote in message 
news:8qrn63tgp1htormsod8qon662b0smnvmfg@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 06:57:24 GMT, "housetrained"
>  wrote:
>
>>BUT, how would you like it if you lived when I was a boy. NO electricity,
>>only gas or candlelight. The fastest you could get from A to B was 35mph
>>(fast horse) etc. etc. Nothing changed for hundreds of years - how very
>>boring!
>
> Blimey!  You must be well over 150 years old!


149 11/12ths to be exact. My birthday is next month.

-- 
John the West Ham fan
housetrained@hotmail.com
<><

"tg"  wrote in message 
news:466b3c8d$0$5864$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk...
>I love new technology, but the talk of this coming new Sony SHV 
>(Super
> High Vision) system is making me sick, having only recently spent
> several hundred pounds on a new HD ready TV. Apparently this new 
> super
> high vision format makes HD look pale. Here I am, twisting my
> handkerchief waiting anxiously for HD transmissions to start so I 
> can
> at last enjoy what this new TV can do, and now it's already got a
> schedule for the scrap heap. I haven't even seen a HD picture on it
> yet! aaaarrrrrgggghhhhh! I can't take any more of this.

Well if you weren't so ready to be taken in by all the marketing 
hype...

Have you noticed that the CRT has disappeared from the 'sheds' whilst 
they have all but disappeared from the High Street, at the same time 
the Flat Panel TV set has seen the cost of buying a TV (with a worse 
picture quality) double or treble - and we're not even talking about 
the cost of HD yet, nor the fact that the only broadcaster who is 
(really) transmitting HD programmes is BSkyB and that it's going to be 
some years before HD becomes mainstream, indeed I suspect that some 
'HD Ready' sets will *never* receive a true HD signal!

housetrained wrote:
> 
> BUT, how would you like it if you lived when I was a boy. NO 
> electricity, only gas or candlelight. The fastest you could get from A 
> to B was 35mph (fast horse) etc. etc. Nothing changed for hundreds of 
> years - how very boring!
> 
You had gas and candlelight? You were lucky................

"housetrained"  wrote in message 
news:ohNai.1493$HD2.522@newsfe7-win.ntli.net...
> "tg"  wrote in message 
> news:466b3c8d$0$5864$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk...
>>I love new technology, but the talk of this coming new Sony SHV (Super
>> High Vision) system is making me sick, having only recently spent
>> several hundred pounds on a new HD ready TV. Apparently this new super
>> high vision format makes HD look pale. Here I am, twisting my
>> handkerchief waiting anxiously for HD transmissions to start so I can
>> at last enjoy what this new TV can do, and now it's already got a
>> schedule for the scrap heap. I haven't even seen a HD picture on it
>> yet! aaaarrrrrgggghhhhh! I can't take any more of this.
>> It's the same with DVD. It's not been out that long, I've finally
>> found my feet with recording editing and burning SD movies on the
>> computer and such and now it's all going to be replaced by either Blue
>> Ray or that other Toshiba one to accomodate the increased capacity
>> required by HD. This means all the software I've mastered is redundant. 
>> The capture hardware I have will be obsolete by the time I blink, and it 
>> was expensive. My 4:3 screens belong in a skip. There's a whole new 
>> learning curve ahead of me with HD and Blue ray and such. And have you 
>> seen the price of HD capture hardware for computers?
>> Nurse!
>>
> BUT, how would you like it if you lived when I was a boy. NO electricity, 
> only gas or candlelight. The fastest you could get from A to B was 35mph 
> (fast horse) etc. etc. Nothing changed for hundreds of years - how very 
> boring!

Very few people had electricity when I was a lad, street lights were all 
gas, a man used to come round with a hook on a pole to turn the things on, I 
never acheived 35 mph on anything, had a bike for my eighth birday, but 
never rode more than 2 miles!

The only person who had a motor vehicle was the baker, and he used to start 
it with a handle, and there was a small ring sticking out of the radiator, 
which he used to pull on whilst turning the handle, I thought that ring was 
vital and if I ever got a motor vehicle, it would have to have one of those 
rings!

The milkman came with a horse and cart, he milkman would collect the bottles 
from the back of the cart and put them by the door, in the meantime the 
horse would walk up to the next house ready for the milkman to take the milk 
out of the cart for that house, very intellegent horses they had in those 
days.

And, there was the 'stop me and buy one', I miss all that!

Those were the days.

Alan Holmes wrote:
> "housetrained"  wrote in message 
> news:ohNai.1493$HD2.522@newsfe7-win.ntli.net...
>> "tg"  wrote in message 
>> news:466b3c8d$0$5864$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk...
>>> I love new technology, but the talk of this coming new Sony SHV (Super
>>> High Vision) system is making me sick, having only recently spent
>>> several hundred pounds on a new HD ready TV. Apparently this new super
>>> high vision format makes HD look pale. Here I am, twisting my
>>> handkerchief waiting anxiously for HD transmissions to start so I can
>>> at last enjoy what this new TV can do, and now it's already got a
>>> schedule for the scrap heap. I haven't even seen a HD picture on it
>>> yet! aaaarrrrrgggghhhhh! I can't take any more of this.
>>> It's the same with DVD. It's not been out that long, I've finally
>>> found my feet with recording editing and burning SD movies on the
>>> computer and such and now it's all going to be replaced by either Blue
>>> Ray or that other Toshiba one to accomodate the increased capacity
>>> required by HD. This means all the software I've mastered is redundant. 
>>> The capture hardware I have will be obsolete by the time I blink, and it 
>>> was expensive. My 4:3 screens belong in a skip. There's a whole new 
>>> learning curve ahead of me with HD and Blue ray and such. And have you 
>>> seen the price of HD capture hardware for computers?
>>> Nurse!
>>>
>> BUT, how would you like it if you lived when I was a boy. NO electricity, 
>> only gas or candlelight. The fastest you could get from A to B was 35mph 
>> (fast horse) etc. etc. Nothing changed for hundreds of years - how very 
>> boring!
> 
> Very few people had electricity when I was a lad, street lights were all 
> gas, a man used to come round with a hook on a pole to turn the things on, I 
> never acheived 35 mph on anything, had a bike for my eighth birday, but 
> never rode more than 2 miles!
> 
> The only person who had a motor vehicle was the baker, and he used to start 
> it with a handle, and there was a small ring sticking out of the radiator, 
> which he used to pull on whilst turning the handle, I thought that ring was 
> vital and if I ever got a motor vehicle, it would have to have one of those 
> rings!
> 
> The milkman came with a horse and cart, he milkman would collect the bottles 
> from the back of the cart and put them by the door, in the meantime the 
> horse would walk up to the next house ready for the milkman to take the milk 
> out of the cart for that house, very intellegent horses they had in those 
> days.
> 
> And, there was the 'stop me and buy one', I miss all that!
> 
> Those were the days.
> 
> 
I remember a bloke who came round with a handcart selling shellfish. My 
Mum used to send me our with a jar to get a pint of cockles!. Whatever 
happened to them!

> I remember a bloke who came round with a handcart selling shellfish. My 
> Mum used to send me our with a jar to get a pint of cockles!. Whatever 
> happened to them!

Look in the back of the fridge. :¬))

On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 08:11:37 +0100, Mike O'Sullivan 
wrote:

>I remember a bloke who came round with a handcart selling shellfish. My 
>Mum used to send me our with a jar to get a pint of cockles!. Whatever 
>happened to them!

Sitting in a hut outside a pub. Or, still, coming round the bars with
a basket.

In article ,
 Mike O'Sullivan  wrote:

> Alan Holmes wrote:

[snip]

> > Those were the days.
> > 
> > 
> I remember a bloke who came round with a handcart selling shellfish. My 
> Mum used to send me our with a jar to get a pint of cockles!. Whatever 
> happened to them!

I imagine she ate them.

":Jerry:" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote in message
news:46724385$0$97276$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...
>
> Have you noticed that the CRT has disappeared from the 'sheds'
> whilst they have all but disappeared from the High Street, at the
> same time the Flat Panel TV set has seen the cost of buying a TV
> (with a worse picture quality) double or treble - and we're not even
> talking about the cost of HD yet, nor the fact that the only
> broadcaster who is (really) transmitting HD programmes is BSkyB and
> that it's going to be some years before HD becomes mainstream,
> indeed I suspect that some 'HD Ready' sets will *never* receive a
> true HD signal!

yes I've been thinking that myself. It seems to be taking forever for
a HD signal to appear and I'd swear that slimeball Murdoch is behind 
it all. I disagree with flat panels having a worse picture quality 
though. Our new flat panel TV has an image vastly superior to the 
previous CRT telly.
But all is not lost. I've bought a HD camcorder which should arrive
next week, and I'm gonna plug it into the TV and then I'll see a HD
image. How ironic that the only way for me to see a HD image on my own
TV is to create one myself. And the BluRay/HD DVD players are insanely
expensive too - prices outta my league at the moment.

"tg"  wrote in message 
news:46756231$0$27847$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk...
>
> ":Jerry:" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote in message
> news:46724385$0$97276$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...
>>
>> Have you noticed that the CRT has disappeared from the 'sheds'
>> whilst they have all but disappeared from the High Street, at the
>> same time the Flat Panel TV set has seen the cost of buying a TV
>> (with a worse picture quality) double or treble - and we're not 
>> even
>> talking about the cost of HD yet, nor the fact that the only
>> broadcaster who is (really) transmitting HD programmes is BSkyB and
>> that it's going to be some years before HD becomes mainstream,
>> indeed I suspect that some 'HD Ready' sets will *never* receive a
>> true HD signal!
>
> yes I've been thinking that myself. It seems to be taking forever 
> for
> a HD signal to appear and I'd swear that slimeball Murdoch is behind

Not really, he just has more freedom to do what needs to be done, the 
problem, is with HMG / Ofcom - we might *never* see HD terrestrial if 
HMG is intent on selling off 'spare and redundant' terrestrial 
spectrum once analogue switch off is complete. Of course, Murdoch 
could be pulling the strings within HMG I suppose...

> it all. I disagree with flat panels having a worse picture quality 
> though. Our new flat panel TV has an image vastly superior to the 
> previous CRT telly.

All I can say is that your old CRT set must have been especially badly 
set up then!

> But all is not lost. I've bought a HD camcorder which should arrive
> next week, and I'm gonna plug it into the TV and then I'll see a HD
> image. How ironic that the only way for me to see a HD image on my 
> own
> TV is to create one myself. And the BluRay/HD DVD players are 
> insanely
> expensive too - prices outta my league at the moment.
>

The problem with HD is that there are just to many flavours, and the 
fact that in PAL land we don't really need it - unlike those who live 
in NTSC land.

In article <46756ce4$0$97227$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net>,
 ":Jerry:" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote:

> "tg"  wrote in message 
> news:46756231$0$27847$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk...
> >
> > ":Jerry:" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote in message
> > news:46724385$0$97276$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...
> >>
> >> Have you noticed that the CRT has disappeared from the 'sheds'
> >> whilst they have all but disappeared from the High Street, at the
> >> same time the Flat Panel TV set has seen the cost of buying a TV
> >> (with a worse picture quality) double or treble - and we're not 
> >> even
> >> talking about the cost of HD yet, nor the fact that the only
> >> broadcaster who is (really) transmitting HD programmes is BSkyB and
> >> that it's going to be some years before HD becomes mainstream,
> >> indeed I suspect that some 'HD Ready' sets will *never* receive a
> >> true HD signal!
> >
> > yes I've been thinking that myself. It seems to be taking forever 
> > for
> > a HD signal to appear and I'd swear that slimeball Murdoch is behind
> 
> Not really, he just has more freedom to do what needs to be done, the 
> problem, is with HMG / Ofcom - we might *never* see HD terrestrial if 
> HMG is intent on selling off 'spare and redundant' terrestrial 
> spectrum once analogue switch off is complete. Of course, Murdoch 
> could be pulling the strings within HMG I suppose...
> 
> > it all. I disagree with flat panels having a worse picture quality 
> > though. Our new flat panel TV has an image vastly superior to the 
> > previous CRT telly.
> 
> All I can say is that your old CRT set must have been especially badly 
> set up then!

Many people put up with crap CRT telly without realising their telly is 
crap. You should get teletext up on the screen and then:

1) Check the layout of the text is rectangular on the screen so you have 
no pin cushion / barrel distortion.

2) More importantly, for text which is not red, blue, or green (e.g., 
yellow), get close to the screen and check that the colour registration 
is good. Do this in the shop before buying the telly - with the unit you 
intend to purchase.


I did (2) 15 years ago and still have a brilliant picture especially now 
on freeview.

":Jerry:" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote in message
news:46756ce4$0$97227$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...

>> it all. I disagree with flat panels having a worse picture quality
>> though. Our new flat panel TV has an image vastly superior to the
>> previous CRT telly.
>
> All I can say is that your old CRT set must have been especially
> badly set up then!

you're kidding surely. I've never seen any CRT TV new or old that
matches our new flat panel for sharpness and quality. CRT is dead.

"tg"  wrote in message
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>
> ":Jerry:" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote in message
> news:46756ce4$0$97227$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...
>
>>> it all. I disagree with flat panels having a worse picture quality
>>> though. Our new flat panel TV has an image vastly superior to the
>>> previous CRT telly.
>>
>> All I can say is that your old CRT set must have been especially
>> badly set up then!
>
> you're kidding surely. I've never seen any CRT TV new or old that
> matches our new flat panel for sharpness and quality. CRT is dead.
>

Then I'm seriously suggesting that you have NEVER seen a correctly set 
up CRT (which, as 'Tim' pointed out, is quite possible)! CRT monitors 
are still the favoured means of grading (colour matching) in post 
production.

On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:52:11 +0100, "tg" 
wrote:

>you're kidding surely. I've never seen any CRT TV new or old that
>matches our new flat panel for sharpness and quality. CRT is dead.

CRT still rules where colour accuracy is important.

Mike O'Sullivan wrote:
> Alan Holmes wrote:
>> "housetrained"  wrote in message 
>> news:ohNai.1493$HD2.522@newsfe7-win.ntli.net...
>>> "tg"  wrote in message 
>>> news:466b3c8d$0$5864$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk...
>>>> I love new technology, but the talk of this coming new Sony SHV (Super
>>>> High Vision) system is making me sick, having only recently spent
>>>> several hundred pounds on a new HD ready TV. Apparently this new super
>>>> high vision format makes HD look pale. Here I am, twisting my
>>>> handkerchief waiting anxiously for HD transmissions to start so I can
>>>> at last enjoy what this new TV can do, and now it's already got a
>>>> schedule for the scrap heap. I haven't even seen a HD picture on it
>>>> yet! aaaarrrrrgggghhhhh! I can't take any more of this.
>>>> It's the same with DVD. It's not been out that long, I've finally
>>>> found my feet with recording editing and burning SD movies on the
>>>> computer and such and now it's all going to be replaced by either Blue
>>>> Ray or that other Toshiba one to accomodate the increased capacity
>>>> required by HD. This means all the software I've mastered is 
>>>> redundant. The capture hardware I have will be obsolete by the time 
>>>> I blink, and it was expensive. My 4:3 screens belong in a skip. 
>>>> There's a whole new learning curve ahead of me with HD and Blue ray 
>>>> and such. And have you seen the price of HD capture hardware for 
>>>> computers?
>>>> Nurse!
>>>>
>>> BUT, how would you like it if you lived when I was a boy. NO 
>>> electricity, only gas or candlelight. The fastest you could get from 
>>> A to B was 35mph (fast horse) etc. etc. Nothing changed for hundreds 
>>> of years - how very boring!
>>
>> Very few people had electricity when I was a lad, street lights were 
>> all gas, a man used to come round with a hook on a pole to turn the 
>> things on, I never acheived 35 mph on anything, had a bike for my 
>> eighth birday, but never rode more than 2 miles!
>>
>> The only person who had a motor vehicle was the baker, and he used to 
>> start it with a handle, and there was a small ring sticking out of the 
>> radiator, which he used to pull on whilst turning the handle, I 
>> thought that ring was vital and if I ever got a motor vehicle, it 
>> would have to have one of those rings!
>>
>> The milkman came with a horse and cart, he milkman would collect the 
>> bottles from the back of the cart and put them by the door, in the 
>> meantime the horse would walk up to the next house ready for the 
>> milkman to take the milk out of the cart for that house, very 
>> intellegent horses they had in those days.
>>
>> And, there was the 'stop me and buy one', I miss all that!
>>
>> Those were the days.
>>
>>
> I remember a bloke who came round with a handcart selling shellfish. My 
> Mum used to send me our with a jar to get a pint of cockles!. Whatever 
> happened to them!

Health and Safety!

"tg"  wrote in message 
news:466b3c8d$0$5864$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk...
>I love new technology, but the talk of this coming new Sony SHV (Super
> High Vision) system is making me sick, having only recently spent
> several hundred pounds on a new HD ready TV. Apparently this new super
> high vision format makes HD look pale. Here I am, twisting my
> handkerchief waiting anxiously for HD transmissions to start so I can
> at last enjoy what this new TV can do, and now it's already got a
> schedule for the scrap heap. I haven't even seen a HD picture on it
> yet! aaaarrrrrgggghhhhh! I can't take any more of this.
> It's the same with DVD. It's not been out that long, I've finally
> found my feet with recording editing and burning SD movies on the
> computer and such and now it's all going to be replaced by either Blue
> Ray or that other Toshiba one to accomodate the increased capacity
> required by HD. This means all the software I've mastered is redundant. 
> The capture hardware I have will be obsolete by the time I blink, and it 
> was expensive. My 4:3 screens belong in a skip. There's a whole new 
> learning curve ahead of me with HD and Blue ray and such. And have you 
> seen the price of HD capture hardware for computers?
> Nurse!
>
BUT, how would you like it if you lived when I was a boy. NO electricity, 
only gas or candlelight. The fastest you could get from A to B was 35mph 
(fast horse) etc. etc. Nothing changed for hundreds of years - how very 
boring!

-- 
John the West Ham fan
housetrained@hotmail.com
<><

On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 06:57:24 GMT, "housetrained"
 wrote:

>BUT, how would you like it if you lived when I was a boy. NO electricity, 
>only gas or candlelight. The fastest you could get from A to B was 35mph 
>(fast horse) etc. etc. Nothing changed for hundreds of years - how very 
>boring!

Blimey!  You must be well over 150 years old!

"Laurence Payne" <lpayne1NOSPAM@dslDOTpipexDOTcom> wrote in message 
news:8qrn63tgp1htormsod8qon662b0smnvmfg@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 06:57:24 GMT, "housetrained"
>  wrote:
>
>>BUT, how would you like it if you lived when I was a boy. NO electricity,
>>only gas or candlelight. The fastest you could get from A to B was 35mph
>>(fast horse) etc. etc. Nothing changed for hundreds of years - how very
>>boring!
>
> Blimey!  You must be well over 150 years old!


149 11/12ths to be exact. My birthday is next month.

-- 
John the West Ham fan
housetrained@hotmail.com
<><

"tg"  wrote in message 
news:466b3c8d$0$5864$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk...
>I love new technology, but the talk of this coming new Sony SHV 
>(Super
> High Vision) system is making me sick, having only recently spent
> several hundred pounds on a new HD ready TV. Apparently this new 
> super
> high vision format makes HD look pale. Here I am, twisting my
> handkerchief waiting anxiously for HD transmissions to start so I 
> can
> at last enjoy what this new TV can do, and now it's already got a
> schedule for the scrap heap. I haven't even seen a HD picture on it
> yet! aaaarrrrrgggghhhhh! I can't take any more of this.

Well if you weren't so ready to be taken in by all the marketing 
hype...

Have you noticed that the CRT has disappeared from the 'sheds' whilst 
they have all but disappeared from the High Street, at the same time 
the Flat Panel TV set has seen the cost of buying a TV (with a worse 
picture quality) double or treble - and we're not even talking about 
the cost of HD yet, nor the fact that the only broadcaster who is 
(really) transmitting HD programmes is BSkyB and that it's going to be 
some years before HD becomes mainstream, indeed I suspect that some 
'HD Ready' sets will *never* receive a true HD signal!

housetrained wrote:
> 
> BUT, how would you like it if you lived when I was a boy. NO 
> electricity, only gas or candlelight. The fastest you could get from A 
> to B was 35mph (fast horse) etc. etc. Nothing changed for hundreds of 
> years - how very boring!
> 
You had gas and candlelight? You were lucky................

"housetrained"  wrote in message 
news:ohNai.1493$HD2.522@newsfe7-win.ntli.net...
> "tg"  wrote in message 
> news:466b3c8d$0$5864$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk...
>>I love new technology, but the talk of this coming new Sony SHV (Super
>> High Vision) system is making me sick, having only recently spent
>> several hundred pounds on a new HD ready TV. Apparently this new super
>> high vision format makes HD look pale. Here I am, twisting my
>> handkerchief waiting anxiously for HD transmissions to start so I can
>> at last enjoy what this new TV can do, and now it's already got a
>> schedule for the scrap heap. I haven't even seen a HD picture on it
>> yet! aaaarrrrrgggghhhhh! I can't take any more of this.
>> It's the same with DVD. It's not been out that long, I've finally
>> found my feet with recording editing and burning SD movies on the
>> computer and such and now it's all going to be replaced by either Blue
>> Ray or that other Toshiba one to accomodate the increased capacity
>> required by HD. This means all the software I've mastered is redundant. 
>> The capture hardware I have will be obsolete by the time I blink, and it 
>> was expensive. My 4:3 screens belong in a skip. There's a whole new 
>> learning curve ahead of me with HD and Blue ray and such. And have you 
>> seen the price of HD capture hardware for computers?
>> Nurse!
>>
> BUT, how would you like it if you lived when I was a boy. NO electricity, 
> only gas or candlelight. The fastest you could get from A to B was 35mph 
> (fast horse) etc. etc. Nothing changed for hundreds of years - how very 
> boring!

Very few people had electricity when I was a lad, street lights were all 
gas, a man used to come round with a hook on a pole to turn the things on, I 
never acheived 35 mph on anything, had a bike for my eighth birday, but 
never rode more than 2 miles!

The only person who had a motor vehicle was the baker, and he used to start 
it with a handle, and there was a small ring sticking out of the radiator, 
which he used to pull on whilst turning the handle, I thought that ring was 
vital and if I ever got a motor vehicle, it would have to have one of those 
rings!

The milkman came with a horse and cart, he milkman would collect the bottles 
from the back of the cart and put them by the door, in the meantime the 
horse would walk up to the next house ready for the milkman to take the milk 
out of the cart for that house, very intellegent horses they had in those 
days.

And, there was the 'stop me and buy one', I miss all that!

Those were the days.

Alan Holmes wrote:
> "housetrained"  wrote in message 
> news:ohNai.1493$HD2.522@newsfe7-win.ntli.net...
>> "tg"  wrote in message 
>> news:466b3c8d$0$5864$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk...
>>> I love new technology, but the talk of this coming new Sony SHV (Super
>>> High Vision) system is making me sick, having only recently spent
>>> several hundred pounds on a new HD ready TV. Apparently this new super
>>> high vision format makes HD look pale. Here I am, twisting my
>>> handkerchief waiting anxiously for HD transmissions to start so I can
>>> at last enjoy what this new TV can do, and now it's already got a
>>> schedule for the scrap heap. I haven't even seen a HD picture on it
>>> yet! aaaarrrrrgggghhhhh! I can't take any more of this.
>>> It's the same with DVD. It's not been out that long, I've finally
>>> found my feet with recording editing and burning SD movies on the
>>> computer and such and now it's all going to be replaced by either Blue
>>> Ray or that other Toshiba one to accomodate the increased capacity
>>> required by HD. This means all the software I've mastered is redundant. 
>>> The capture hardware I have will be obsolete by the time I blink, and it 
>>> was expensive. My 4:3 screens belong in a skip. There's a whole new 
>>> learning curve ahead of me with HD and Blue ray and such. And have you 
>>> seen the price of HD capture hardware for computers?
>>> Nurse!
>>>
>> BUT, how would you like it if you lived when I was a boy. NO electricity, 
>> only gas or candlelight. The fastest you could get from A to B was 35mph 
>> (fast horse) etc. etc. Nothing changed for hundreds of years - how very 
>> boring!
> 
> Very few people had electricity when I was a lad, street lights were all 
> gas, a man used to come round with a hook on a pole to turn the things on, I 
> never acheived 35 mph on anything, had a bike for my eighth birday, but 
> never rode more than 2 miles!
> 
> The only person who had a motor vehicle was the baker, and he used to start 
> it with a handle, and there was a small ring sticking out of the radiator, 
> which he used to pull on whilst turning the handle, I thought that ring was 
> vital and if I ever got a motor vehicle, it would have to have one of those 
> rings!
> 
> The milkman came with a horse and cart, he milkman would collect the bottles 
> from the back of the cart and put them by the door, in the meantime the 
> horse would walk up to the next house ready for the milkman to take the milk 
> out of the cart for that house, very intellegent horses they had in those 
> days.
> 
> And, there was the 'stop me and buy one', I miss all that!
> 
> Those were the days.
> 
> 
I remember a bloke who came round with a handcart selling shellfish. My 
Mum used to send me our with a jar to get a pint of cockles!. Whatever 
happened to them!

> I remember a bloke who came round with a handcart selling shellfish. My 
> Mum used to send me our with a jar to get a pint of cockles!. Whatever 
> happened to them!

Look in the back of the fridge. :¬))

On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 08:11:37 +0100, Mike O'Sullivan 
wrote:

>I remember a bloke who came round with a handcart selling shellfish. My 
>Mum used to send me our with a jar to get a pint of cockles!. Whatever 
>happened to them!

Sitting in a hut outside a pub. Or, still, coming round the bars with
a basket.

In article ,
 Mike O'Sullivan  wrote:

> Alan Holmes wrote:

[snip]

> > Those were the days.
> > 
> > 
> I remember a bloke who came round with a handcart selling shellfish. My 
> Mum used to send me our with a jar to get a pint of cockles!. Whatever 
> happened to them!

I imagine she ate them.

":Jerry:" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote in message
news:46724385$0$97276$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...
>
> Have you noticed that the CRT has disappeared from the 'sheds'
> whilst they have all but disappeared from the High Street, at the
> same time the Flat Panel TV set has seen the cost of buying a TV
> (with a worse picture quality) double or treble - and we're not even
> talking about the cost of HD yet, nor the fact that the only
> broadcaster who is (really) transmitting HD programmes is BSkyB and
> that it's going to be some years before HD becomes mainstream,
> indeed I suspect that some 'HD Ready' sets will *never* receive a
> true HD signal!

yes I've been thinking that myself. It seems to be taking forever for
a HD signal to appear and I'd swear that slimeball Murdoch is behind 
it all. I disagree with flat panels having a worse picture quality 
though. Our new flat panel TV has an image vastly superior to the 
previous CRT telly.
But all is not lost. I've bought a HD camcorder which should arrive
next week, and I'm gonna plug it into the TV and then I'll see a HD
image. How ironic that the only way for me to see a HD image on my own
TV is to create one myself. And the BluRay/HD DVD players are insanely
expensive too - prices outta my league at the moment.

"tg"  wrote in message 
news:46756231$0$27847$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk...
>
> ":Jerry:" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote in message
> news:46724385$0$97276$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...
>>
>> Have you noticed that the CRT has disappeared from the 'sheds'
>> whilst they have all but disappeared from the High Street, at the
>> same time the Flat Panel TV set has seen the cost of buying a TV
>> (with a worse picture quality) double or treble - and we're not 
>> even
>> talking about the cost of HD yet, nor the fact that the only
>> broadcaster who is (really) transmitting HD programmes is BSkyB and
>> that it's going to be some years before HD becomes mainstream,
>> indeed I suspect that some 'HD Ready' sets will *never* receive a
>> true HD signal!
>
> yes I've been thinking that myself. It seems to be taking forever 
> for
> a HD signal to appear and I'd swear that slimeball Murdoch is behind

Not really, he just has more freedom to do what needs to be done, the 
problem, is with HMG / Ofcom - we might *never* see HD terrestrial if 
HMG is intent on selling off 'spare and redundant' terrestrial 
spectrum once analogue switch off is complete. Of course, Murdoch 
could be pulling the strings within HMG I suppose...

> it all. I disagree with flat panels having a worse picture quality 
> though. Our new flat panel TV has an image vastly superior to the 
> previous CRT telly.

All I can say is that your old CRT set must have been especially badly 
set up then!

> But all is not lost. I've bought a HD camcorder which should arrive
> next week, and I'm gonna plug it into the TV and then I'll see a HD
> image. How ironic that the only way for me to see a HD image on my 
> own
> TV is to create one myself. And the BluRay/HD DVD players are 
> insanely
> expensive too - prices outta my league at the moment.
>

The problem with HD is that there are just to many flavours, and the 
fact that in PAL land we don't really need it - unlike those who live 
in NTSC land.

In article <46756ce4$0$97227$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net>,
 ":Jerry:" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote:

> "tg"  wrote in message 
> news:46756231$0$27847$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk...
> >
> > ":Jerry:" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote in message
> > news:46724385$0$97276$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...
> >>
> >> Have you noticed that the CRT has disappeared from the 'sheds'
> >> whilst they have all but disappeared from the High Street, at the
> >> same time the Flat Panel TV set has seen the cost of buying a TV
> >> (with a worse picture quality) double or treble - and we're not 
> >> even
> >> talking about the cost of HD yet, nor the fact that the only
> >> broadcaster who is (really) transmitting HD programmes is BSkyB and
> >> that it's going to be some years before HD becomes mainstream,
> >> indeed I suspect that some 'HD Ready' sets will *never* receive a
> >> true HD signal!
> >
> > yes I've been thinking that myself. It seems to be taking forever 
> > for
> > a HD signal to appear and I'd swear that slimeball Murdoch is behind
> 
> Not really, he just has more freedom to do what needs to be done, the 
> problem, is with HMG / Ofcom - we might *never* see HD terrestrial if 
> HMG is intent on selling off 'spare and redundant' terrestrial 
> spectrum once analogue switch off is complete. Of course, Murdoch 
> could be pulling the strings within HMG I suppose...
> 
> > it all. I disagree with flat panels having a worse picture quality 
> > though. Our new flat panel TV has an image vastly superior to the 
> > previous CRT telly.
> 
> All I can say is that your old CRT set must have been especially badly 
> set up then!

Many people put up with crap CRT telly without realising their telly is 
crap. You should get teletext up on the screen and then:

1) Check the layout of the text is rectangular on the screen so you have 
no pin cushion / barrel distortion.

2) More importantly, for text which is not red, blue, or green (e.g., 
yellow), get close to the screen and check that the colour registration 
is good. Do this in the shop before buying the telly - with the unit you 
intend to purchase.


I did (2) 15 years ago and still have a brilliant picture especially now 
on freeview.

":Jerry:" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote in message
news:46756ce4$0$97227$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...

>> it all. I disagree with flat panels having a worse picture quality
>> though. Our new flat panel TV has an image vastly superior to the
>> previous CRT telly.
>
> All I can say is that your old CRT set must have been especially
> badly set up then!

you're kidding surely. I've never seen any CRT TV new or old that
matches our new flat panel for sharpness and quality. CRT is dead.

"tg"  wrote in message
news:4676f080$0$30328$fa0fcedb@news.zen.co.uk...
>
> ":Jerry:" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote in message
> news:46756ce4$0$97227$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...
>
>>> it all. I disagree with flat panels having a worse picture quality
>>> though. Our new flat panel TV has an image vastly superior to the
>>> previous CRT telly.
>>
>> All I can say is that your old CRT set must have been especially
>> badly set up then!
>
> you're kidding surely. I've never seen any CRT TV new or old that
> matches our new flat panel for sharpness and quality. CRT is dead.
>

Then I'm seriously suggesting that you have NEVER seen a correctly set 
up CRT (which, as 'Tim' pointed out, is quite possible)! CRT monitors 
are still the favoured means of grading (colour matching) in post 
production.

On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:52:11 +0100, "tg" 
wrote:

>you're kidding surely. I've never seen any CRT TV new or old that
>matches our new flat panel for sharpness and quality. CRT is dead.

CRT still rules where colour accuracy is important.

Mike O'Sullivan wrote:
> Alan Holmes wrote:
>> "housetrained"  wrote in message 
>> news:ohNai.1493$HD2.522@newsfe7-win.ntli.net...
>>> "tg"  wrote in message 
>>> news:466b3c8d$0$5864$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk...
>>>> I love new technology, but the talk of this coming new Sony SHV (Super
>>>> High Vision) system is making me sick, having only recently spent
>>>> several hundred pounds on a new HD ready TV. Apparently this new super
>>>> high vision format makes HD look pale. Here I am, twisting my
>>>> handkerchief waiting anxiously for HD transmissions to start so I can
>>>> at last enjoy what this new TV can do, and now it's already got a
>>>> schedule for the scrap heap. I haven't even seen a HD picture on it
>>>> yet! aaaarrrrrgggghhhhh! I can't take any more of this.
>>>> It's the same with DVD. It's not been out that long, I've finally
>>>> found my feet with recording editing and burning SD movies on the
>>>> computer and such and now it's all going to be replaced by either Blue
>>>> Ray or that other Toshiba one to accomodate the increased capacity
>>>> required by HD. This means all the software I've mastered is 
>>>> redundant. The capture hardware I have will be obsolete by the time 
>>>> I blink, and it was expensive. My 4:3 screens belong in a skip. 
>>>> There's a whole new learning curve ahead of me with HD and Blue ray 
>>>> and such. And have you seen the price of HD capture hardware for 
>>>> computers?
>>>> Nurse!
>>>>
>>> BUT, how would you like it if you lived when I was a boy. NO 
>>> electricity, only gas or candlelight. The fastest you could get from 
>>> A to B was 35mph (fast horse) etc. etc. Nothing changed for hundreds 
>>> of years - how very boring!
>>
>> Very few people had electricity when I was a lad, street lights were 
>> all gas, a man used to come round with a hook on a pole to turn the 
>> things on, I never acheived 35 mph on anything, had a bike for my 
>> eighth birday, but never rode more than 2 miles!
>>
>> The only person who had a motor vehicle was the baker, and he used to 
>> start it with a handle, and there was a small ring sticking out of the 
>> radiator, which he used to pull on whilst turning the handle, I 
>> thought that ring was vital and if I ever got a motor vehicle, it 
>> would have to have one of those rings!
>>
>> The milkman came with a horse and cart, he milkman would collect the 
>> bottles from the back of the cart and put them by the door, in the 
>> meantime the horse would walk up to the next house ready for the 
>> milkman to take the milk out of the cart for that house, very 
>> intellegent horses they had in those days.
>>
>> And, there was the 'stop me and buy one', I miss all that!
>>
>> Those were the days.
>>
>>
> I remember a bloke who came round with a handcart selling shellfish. My 
> Mum used to send me our with a jar to get a pint of cockles!. Whatever 
> happened to them!

Health and Safety!

"tg"  wrote in message 
news:466b3c8d$0$5864$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk...
>I love new technology, but the talk of this coming new Sony SHV (Super
> High Vision) system is making me sick, having only recently spent
> several hundred pounds on a new HD ready TV. Apparently this new super
> high vision format makes HD look pale. Here I am, twisting my
> handkerchief waiting anxiously for HD transmissions to start so I can
> at last enjoy what this new TV can do, and now it's already got a
> schedule for the scrap heap. I haven't even seen a HD picture on it
> yet! aaaarrrrrgggghhhhh! I can't take any more of this.
> It's the same with DVD. It's not been out that long, I've finally
> found my feet with recording editing and burning SD movies on the
> computer and such and now it's all going to be replaced by either Blue
> Ray or that other Toshiba one to accomodate the increased capacity
> required by HD. This means all the software I've mastered is redundant. 
> The capture hardware I have will be obsolete by the time I blink, and it 
> was expensive. My 4:3 screens belong in a skip. There's a whole new 
> learning curve ahead of me with HD and Blue ray and such. And have you 
> seen the price of HD capture hardware for computers?
> Nurse!
>
BUT, how would you like it if you lived when I was a boy. NO electricity, 
only gas or candlelight. The fastest you could get from A to B was 35mph 
(fast horse) etc. etc. Nothing changed for hundreds of years - how very 
boring!

-- 
John the West Ham fan
housetrained@hotmail.com
<><

On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 06:57:24 GMT, "housetrained"
 wrote:

>BUT, how would you like it if you lived when I was a boy. NO electricity, 
>only gas or candlelight. The fastest you could get from A to B was 35mph 
>(fast horse) etc. etc. Nothing changed for hundreds of years - how very 
>boring!

Blimey!  You must be well over 150 years old!

"Laurence Payne" <lpayne1NOSPAM@dslDOTpipexDOTcom> wrote in message 
news:8qrn63tgp1htormsod8qon662b0smnvmfg@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 06:57:24 GMT, "housetrained"
>  wrote:
>
>>BUT, how would you like it if you lived when I was a boy. NO electricity,
>>only gas or candlelight. The fastest you could get from A to B was 35mph
>>(fast horse) etc. etc. Nothing changed for hundreds of years - how very
>>boring!
>
> Blimey!  You must be well over 150 years old!


149 11/12ths to be exact. My birthday is next month.

-- 
John the West Ham fan
housetrained@hotmail.com
<><

"tg"  wrote in message 
news:466b3c8d$0$5864$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk...
>I love new technology, but the talk of this coming new Sony SHV 
>(Super
> High Vision) system is making me sick, having only recently spent
> several hundred pounds on a new HD ready TV. Apparently this new 
> super
> high vision format makes HD look pale. Here I am, twisting my
> handkerchief waiting anxiously for HD transmissions to start so I 
> can
> at last enjoy what this new TV can do, and now it's already got a
> schedule for the scrap heap. I haven't even seen a HD picture on it
> yet! aaaarrrrrgggghhhhh! I can't take any more of this.

Well if you weren't so ready to be taken in by all the marketing 
hype...

Have you noticed that the CRT has disappeared from the 'sheds' whilst 
they have all but disappeared from the High Street, at the same time 
the Flat Panel TV set has seen the cost of buying a TV (with a worse 
picture quality) double or treble - and we're not even talking about 
the cost of HD yet, nor the fact that the only broadcaster who is 
(really) transmitting HD programmes is BSkyB and that it's going to be 
some years before HD becomes mainstream, indeed I suspect that some 
'HD Ready' sets will *never* receive a true HD signal!

housetrained wrote:
> 
> BUT, how would you like it if you lived when I was a boy. NO 
> electricity, only gas or candlelight. The fastest you could get from A 
> to B was 35mph (fast horse) etc. etc. Nothing changed for hundreds of 
> years - how very boring!
> 
You had gas and candlelight? You were lucky................

"housetrained"  wrote in message 
news:ohNai.1493$HD2.522@newsfe7-win.ntli.net...
> "tg"  wrote in message 
> news:466b3c8d$0$5864$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk...
>>I love new technology, but the talk of this coming new Sony SHV (Super
>> High Vision) system is making me sick, having only recently spent
>> several hundred pounds on a new HD ready TV. Apparently this new super
>> high vision format makes HD look pale. Here I am, twisting my
>> handkerchief waiting anxiously for HD transmissions to start so I can
>> at last enjoy what this new TV can do, and now it's already got a
>> schedule for the scrap heap. I haven't even seen a HD picture on it
>> yet! aaaarrrrrgggghhhhh! I can't take any more of this.
>> It's the same with DVD. It's not been out that long, I've finally
>> found my feet with recording editing and burning SD movies on the
>> computer and such and now it's all going to be replaced by either Blue
>> Ray or that other Toshiba one to accomodate the increased capacity
>> required by HD. This means all the software I've mastered is redundant. 
>> The capture hardware I have will be obsolete by the time I blink, and it 
>> was expensive. My 4:3 screens belong in a skip. There's a whole new 
>> learning curve ahead of me with HD and Blue ray and such. And have you 
>> seen the price of HD capture hardware for computers?
>> Nurse!
>>
> BUT, how would you like it if you lived when I was a boy. NO electricity, 
> only gas or candlelight. The fastest you could get from A to B was 35mph 
> (fast horse) etc. etc. Nothing changed for hundreds of years - how very 
> boring!

Very few people had electricity when I was a lad, street lights were all 
gas, a man used to come round with a hook on a pole to turn the things on, I 
never acheived 35 mph on anything, had a bike for my eighth birday, but 
never rode more than 2 miles!

The only person who had a motor vehicle was the baker, and he used to start 
it with a handle, and there was a small ring sticking out of the radiator, 
which he used to pull on whilst turning the handle, I thought that ring was 
vital and if I ever got a motor vehicle, it would have to have one of those 
rings!

The milkman came with a horse and cart, he milkman would collect the bottles 
from the back of the cart and put them by the door, in the meantime the 
horse would walk up to the next house ready for the milkman to take the milk 
out of the cart for that house, very intellegent horses they had in those 
days.

And, there was the 'stop me and buy one', I miss all that!

Those were the days.

Alan Holmes wrote:
> "housetrained"  wrote in message 
> news:ohNai.1493$HD2.522@newsfe7-win.ntli.net...
>> "tg"  wrote in message 
>> news:466b3c8d$0$5864$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk...
>>> I love new technology, but the talk of this coming new Sony SHV (Super
>>> High Vision) system is making me sick, having only recently spent
>>> several hundred pounds on a new HD ready TV. Apparently this new super
>>> high vision format makes HD look pale. Here I am, twisting my
>>> handkerchief waiting anxiously for HD transmissions to start so I can
>>> at last enjoy what this new TV can do, and now it's already got a
>>> schedule for the scrap heap. I haven't even seen a HD picture on it
>>> yet! aaaarrrrrgggghhhhh! I can't take any more of this.
>>> It's the same with DVD. It's not been out that long, I've finally
>>> found my feet with recording editing and burning SD movies on the
>>> computer and such and now it's all going to be replaced by either Blue
>>> Ray or that other Toshiba one to accomodate the increased capacity
>>> required by HD. This means all the software I've mastered is redundant. 
>>> The capture hardware I have will be obsolete by the time I blink, and it 
>>> was expensive. My 4:3 screens belong in a skip. There's a whole new 
>>> learning curve ahead of me with HD and Blue ray and such. And have you 
>>> seen the price of HD capture hardware for computers?
>>> Nurse!
>>>
>> BUT, how would you like it if you lived when I was a boy. NO electricity, 
>> only gas or candlelight. The fastest you could get from A to B was 35mph 
>> (fast horse) etc. etc. Nothing changed for hundreds of years - how very 
>> boring!
> 
> Very few people had electricity when I was a lad, street lights were all 
> gas, a man used to come round with a hook on a pole to turn the things on, I 
> never acheived 35 mph on anything, had a bike for my eighth birday, but 
> never rode more than 2 miles!
> 
> The only person who had a motor vehicle was the baker, and he used to start 
> it with a handle, and there was a small ring sticking out of the radiator, 
> which he used to pull on whilst turning the handle, I thought that ring was 
> vital and if I ever got a motor vehicle, it would have to have one of those 
> rings!
> 
> The milkman came with a horse and cart, he milkman would collect the bottles 
> from the back of the cart and put them by the door, in the meantime the 
> horse would walk up to the next house ready for the milkman to take the milk 
> out of the cart for that house, very intellegent horses they had in those 
> days.
> 
> And, there was the 'stop me and buy one', I miss all that!
> 
> Those were the days.
> 
> 
I remember a bloke who came round with a handcart selling shellfish. My 
Mum used to send me our with a jar to get a pint of cockles!. Whatever 
happened to them!

> I remember a bloke who came round with a handcart selling shellfish. My 
> Mum used to send me our with a jar to get a pint of cockles!. Whatever 
> happened to them!

Look in the back of the fridge. :¬))

On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 08:11:37 +0100, Mike O'Sullivan 
wrote:

>I remember a bloke who came round with a handcart selling shellfish. My 
>Mum used to send me our with a jar to get a pint of cockles!. Whatever 
>happened to them!

Sitting in a hut outside a pub. Or, still, coming round the bars with
a basket.

In article ,
 Mike O'Sullivan  wrote:

> Alan Holmes wrote:

[snip]

> > Those were the days.
> > 
> > 
> I remember a bloke who came round with a handcart selling shellfish. My 
> Mum used to send me our with a jar to get a pint of cockles!. Whatever 
> happened to them!

I imagine she ate them.

":Jerry:" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote in message
news:46724385$0$97276$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...
>
> Have you noticed that the CRT has disappeared from the 'sheds'
> whilst they have all but disappeared from the High Street, at the
> same time the Flat Panel TV set has seen the cost of buying a TV
> (with a worse picture quality) double or treble - and we're not even
> talking about the cost of HD yet, nor the fact that the only
> broadcaster who is (really) transmitting HD programmes is BSkyB and
> that it's going to be some years before HD becomes mainstream,
> indeed I suspect that some 'HD Ready' sets will *never* receive a
> true HD signal!

yes I've been thinking that myself. It seems to be taking forever for
a HD signal to appear and I'd swear that slimeball Murdoch is behind 
it all. I disagree with flat panels having a worse picture quality 
though. Our new flat panel TV has an image vastly superior to the 
previous CRT telly.
But all is not lost. I've bought a HD camcorder which should arrive
next week, and I'm gonna plug it into the TV and then I'll see a HD
image. How ironic that the only way for me to see a HD image on my own
TV is to create one myself. And the BluRay/HD DVD players are insanely
expensive too - prices outta my league at the moment.

"tg"  wrote in message 
news:46756231$0$27847$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk...
>
> ":Jerry:" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote in message
> news:46724385$0$97276$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...
>>
>> Have you noticed that the CRT has disappeared from the 'sheds'
>> whilst they have all but disappeared from the High Street, at the
>> same time the Flat Panel TV set has seen the cost of buying a TV
>> (with a worse picture quality) double or treble - and we're not 
>> even
>> talking about the cost of HD yet, nor the fact that the only
>> broadcaster who is (really) transmitting HD programmes is BSkyB and
>> that it's going to be some years before HD becomes mainstream,
>> indeed I suspect that some 'HD Ready' sets will *never* receive a
>> true HD signal!
>
> yes I've been thinking that myself. It seems to be taking forever 
> for
> a HD signal to appear and I'd swear that slimeball Murdoch is behind

Not really, he just has more freedom to do what needs to be done, the 
problem, is with HMG / Ofcom - we might *never* see HD terrestrial if 
HMG is intent on selling off 'spare and redundant' terrestrial 
spectrum once analogue switch off is complete. Of course, Murdoch 
could be pulling the strings within HMG I suppose...

> it all. I disagree with flat panels having a worse picture quality 
> though. Our new flat panel TV has an image vastly superior to the 
> previous CRT telly.

All I can say is that your old CRT set must have been especially badly 
set up then!

> But all is not lost. I've bought a HD camcorder which should arrive
> next week, and I'm gonna plug it into the TV and then I'll see a HD
> image. How ironic that the only way for me to see a HD image on my 
> own
> TV is to create one myself. And the BluRay/HD DVD players are 
> insanely
> expensive too - prices outta my league at the moment.
>

The problem with HD is that there are just to many flavours, and the 
fact that in PAL land we don't really need it - unlike those who live 
in NTSC land.

In article <46756ce4$0$97227$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net>,
 ":Jerry:" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote:

> "tg"  wrote in message 
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> >
> > ":Jerry:" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote in message
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> >>
> >> Have you noticed that the CRT has disappeared from the 'sheds'
> >> whilst they have all but disappeared from the High Street, at the
> >> same time the Flat Panel TV set has seen the cost of buying a TV
> >> (with a worse picture quality) double or treble - and we're not 
> >> even
> >> talking about the cost of HD yet, nor the fact that the only
> >> broadcaster who is (really) transmitting HD programmes is BSkyB and
> >> that it's going to be some years before HD becomes mainstream,
> >> indeed I suspect that some 'HD Ready' sets will *never* receive a
> >> true HD signal!
> >
> > yes I've been thinking that myself. It seems to be taking forever 
> > for
> > a HD signal to appear and I'd swear that slimeball Murdoch is behind
> 
> Not really, he just has more freedom to do what needs to be done, the 
> problem, is with HMG / Ofcom - we might *never* see HD terrestrial if 
> HMG is intent on selling off 'spare and redundant' terrestrial 
> spectrum once analogue switch off is complete. Of course, Murdoch 
> could be pulling the strings within HMG I suppose...
> 
> > it all. I disagree with flat panels having a worse picture quality 
> > though. Our new flat panel TV has an image vastly superior to the 
> > previous CRT telly.
> 
> All I can say is that your old CRT set must have been especially badly 
> set up then!

Many people put up with crap CRT telly without realising their telly is 
crap. You should get teletext up on the screen and then:

1) Check the layout of the text is rectangular on the screen so you have 
no pin cushion / barrel distortion.

2) More importantly, for text which is not red, blue, or green (e.g., 
yellow), get close to the screen and check that the colour registration 
is good. Do this in the shop before buying the telly - with the unit you 
intend to purchase.


I did (2) 15 years ago and still have a brilliant picture especially now 
on freeview.

":Jerry:" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote in message
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>> it all. I disagree with flat panels having a worse picture quality
>> though. Our new flat panel TV has an image vastly superior to the
>> previous CRT telly.
>
> All I can say is that your old CRT set must have been especially
> badly set up then!

you're kidding surely. I've never seen any CRT TV new or old that
matches our new flat panel for sharpness and quality. CRT is dead.

"tg"  wrote in message
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>
> ":Jerry:" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote in message
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>
>>> it all. I disagree with flat panels having a worse picture quality
>>> though. Our new flat panel TV has an image vastly superior to the
>>> previous CRT telly.
>>
>> All I can say is that your old CRT set must have been especially
>> badly set up then!
>
> you're kidding surely. I've never seen any CRT TV new or old that
> matches our new flat panel for sharpness and quality. CRT is dead.
>

Then I'm seriously suggesting that you have NEVER seen a correctly set 
up CRT (which, as 'Tim' pointed out, is quite possible)! CRT monitors 
are still the favoured means of grading (colour matching) in post 
production.

On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:52:11 +0100, "tg" 
wrote:

>you're kidding surely. I've never seen any CRT TV new or old that
>matches our new flat panel for sharpness and quality. CRT is dead.

CRT still rules where colour accuracy is important.

Mike O'Sullivan wrote:
> Alan Holmes wrote:
>> "housetrained"  wrote in message 
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>>> "tg"  wrote in message 
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>>>> I love new technology, but the talk of this coming new Sony SHV (Super
>>>> High Vision) system is making me sick, having only recently spent
>>>> several hundred pounds on a new HD ready TV. Apparently this new super
>>>> high vision format makes HD look pale. Here I am, twisting my
>>>> handkerchief waiting anxiously for HD transmissions to start so I can
>>>> at last enjoy what this new TV can do, and now it's already got a
>>>> schedule for the scrap heap. I haven't even seen a HD picture on it
>>>> yet! aaaarrrrrgggghhhhh! I can't take any more of this.
>>>> It's the same with DVD. It's not been out that long, I've finally
>>>> found my feet with recording editing and burning SD movies on the
>>>> computer and such and now it's all going to be replaced by either Blue
>>>> Ray or that other Toshiba one to accomodate the increased capacity
>>>> required by HD. This means all the software I've mastered is 
>>>> redundant. The capture hardware I have will be obsolete by the time 
>>>> I blink, and it was expensive. My 4:3 screens belong in a skip. 
>>>> There's a whole new learning curve ahead of me with HD and Blue ray 
>>>> and such. And have you seen the price of HD capture hardware for 
>>>> computers?
>>>> Nurse!
>>>>
>>> BUT, how would you like it if you lived when I was a boy. NO 
>>> electricity, only gas or candlelight. The fastest you could get from 
>>> A to B was 35mph (fast horse) etc. etc. Nothing changed for hundreds 
>>> of years - how very boring!
>>
>> Very few people had electricity when I was a lad, street lights were 
>> all gas, a man used to come round with a hook on a pole to turn the 
>> things on, I never acheived 35 mph on anything, had a bike for my 
>> eighth birday, but never rode more than 2 miles!
>>
>> The only person who had a motor vehicle was the baker, and he used to 
>> start it with a handle, and there was a small ring sticking out of the 
>> radiator, which he used to pull on whilst turning the handle, I 
>> thought that ring was vital and if I ever got a motor vehicle, it 
>> would have to have one of those rings!
>>
>> The milkman came with a horse and cart, he milkman would collect the 
>> bottles from the back of the cart and put them by the door, in the 
>> meantime the horse would walk up to the next house ready for the 
>> milkman to take the milk out of the cart for that house, very 
>> intellegent horses they had in those days.
>>
>> And, there was the 'stop me and buy one', I miss all that!
>>
>> Those were the days.
>>
>>
> I remember a bloke who came round with a handcart selling shellfish. My 
> Mum used to send me our with a jar to get a pint of cockles!. Whatever 
> happened to them!

Health and Safety!

"tg"  wrote in message 
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>I love new technology, but the talk of this coming new Sony SHV (Super
> High Vision) system is making me sick, having only recently spent
> several hundred pounds on a new HD ready TV. Apparently this new super
> high vision format makes HD look pale. Here I am, twisting my
> handkerchief waiting anxiously for HD transmissions to start so I can
> at last enjoy what this new TV can do, and now it's already got a
> schedule for the scrap heap. I haven't even seen a HD picture on it
> yet! aaaarrrrrgggghhhhh! I can't take any more of this.
> It's the same with DVD. It's not been out that long, I've finally
> found my feet with recording editing and burning SD movies on the
> computer and such and now it's all going to be replaced by either Blue
> Ray or that other Toshiba one to accomodate the increased capacity
> required by HD. This means all the software I've mastered is redundant. 
> The capture hardware I have will be obsolete by the time I blink, and it 
> was expensive. My 4:3 screens belong in a skip. There's a whole new 
> learning curve ahead of me with HD and Blue ray and such. And have you 
> seen the price of HD capture hardware for computers?
> Nurse!
>
BUT, how would you like it if you lived when I was a boy. NO electricity, 
only gas or candlelight. The fastest you could get from A to B was 35mph 
(fast horse) etc. etc. Nothing changed for hundreds of years - how very 
boring!

-- 
John the West Ham fan
housetrained@hotmail.com
<><

On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 06:57:24 GMT, "housetrained"
 wrote:

>BUT, how would you like it if you lived when I was a boy. NO electricity, 
>only gas or candlelight. The fastest you could get from A to B was 35mph 
>(fast horse) etc. etc. Nothing changed for hundreds of years - how very 
>boring!

Blimey!  You must be well over 150 years old!

"Laurence Payne" <lpayne1NOSPAM@dslDOTpipexDOTcom> wrote in message 
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> On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 06:57:24 GMT, "housetrained"
>  wrote:
>
>>BUT, how would you like it if you lived when I was a boy. NO electricity,
>>only gas or candlelight. The fastest you could get from A to B was 35mph
>>(fast horse) etc. etc. Nothing changed for hundreds of years - how very
>>boring!
>
> Blimey!  You must be well over 150 years old!


149 11/12ths to be exact. My birthday is next month.

-- 
John the West Ham fan
housetrained@hotmail.com
<><

"tg"  wrote in message 
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>I love new technology, but the talk of this coming new Sony SHV 
>(Super
> High Vision) system is making me sick, having only recently spent
> several hundred pounds on a new HD ready TV. Apparently this new 
> super
> high vision format makes HD look pale. Here I am, twisting my
> handkerchief waiting anxiously for HD transmissions to start so I 
> can
> at last enjoy what this new TV can do, and now it's already got a
> schedule for the scrap heap. I haven't even seen a HD picture on it
> yet! aaaarrrrrgggghhhhh! I can't take any more of this.

Well if you weren't so ready to be taken in by all the marketing 
hype...

Have you noticed that the CRT has disappeared from the 'sheds' whilst 
they have all but disappeared from the High Street, at the same time 
the Flat Panel TV set has seen the cost of buying a TV (with a worse 
picture quality) double or treble - and we're not even talking about 
the cost of HD yet, nor the fact that the only broadcaster who is 
(really) transmitting HD programmes is BSkyB and that it's going to be 
some years before HD becomes mainstream, indeed I suspect that some 
'HD Ready' sets will *never* receive a true HD signal!

housetrained wrote:
> 
> BUT, how would you like it if you lived when I was a boy. NO 
> electricity, only gas or candlelight. The fastest you could get from A 
> to B was 35mph (fast horse) etc. etc. Nothing changed for hundreds of 
> years - how very boring!
> 
You had gas and candlelight? You were lucky................

"housetrained"  wrote in message 
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> "tg"  wrote in message 
> news:466b3c8d$0$5864$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk...
>>I love new technology, but the talk of this coming new Sony SHV (Super
>> High Vision) system is making me sick, having only recently spent
>> several hundred pounds on a new HD ready TV. Apparently this new super
>> high vision format makes HD look pale. Here I am, twisting my
>> handkerchief waiting anxiously for HD transmissions to start so I can
>> at last enjoy what this new TV can do, and now it's already got a
>> schedule for the scrap heap. I haven't even seen a HD picture on it
>> yet! aaaarrrrrgggghhhhh! I can't take any more of this.
>> It's the same with DVD. It's not been out that long, I've finally
>> found my feet with recording editing and burning SD movies on the
>> computer and such and now it's all going to be replaced by either Blue
>> Ray or that other Toshiba one to accomodate the increased capacity
>> required by HD. This means all the software I've mastered is redundant. 
>> The capture hardware I have will be obsolete by the time I blink, and it 
>> was expensive. My 4:3 screens belong in a skip. There's a whole new 
>> learning curve ahead of me with HD and Blue ray and such. And have you 
>> seen the price of HD capture hardware for computers?
>> Nurse!
>>
> BUT, how would you like it if you lived when I was a boy. NO electricity, 
> only gas or candlelight. The fastest you could get from A to B was 35mph 
> (fast horse) etc. etc. Nothing changed for hundreds of years - how very 
> boring!

Very few people had electricity when I was a lad, street lights were all 
gas, a man used to come round with a hook on a pole to turn the things on, I 
never acheived 35 mph on anything, had a bike for my eighth birday, but 
never rode more than 2 miles!

The only person who had a motor vehicle was the baker, and he used to start 
it with a handle, and there was a small ring sticking out of the radiator, 
which he used to pull on whilst turning the handle, I thought that ring was 
vital and if I ever got a motor vehicle, it would have to have one of those 
rings!

The milkman came with a horse and cart, he milkman would collect the bottles 
from the back of the cart and put them by the door, in the meantime the 
horse would walk up to the next house ready for the milkman to take the milk 
out of the cart for that house, very intellegent horses they had in those 
days.

And, there was the 'stop me and buy one', I miss all that!

Those were the days.

Alan Holmes wrote:
> "housetrained"  wrote in message 
> news:ohNai.1493$HD2.522@newsfe7-win.ntli.net...
>> "tg"  wrote in message 
>> news:466b3c8d$0$5864$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk...
>>> I love new technology, but the talk of this coming new Sony SHV (Super
>>> High Vision) system is making me sick, having only recently spent
>>> several hundred pounds on a new HD ready TV. Apparently this new super
>>> high vision format makes HD look pale. Here I am, twisting my
>>> handkerchief waiting anxiously for HD transmissions to start so I can
>>> at last enjoy what this new TV can do, and now it's already got a
>>> schedule for the scrap heap. I haven't even seen a HD picture on it
>>> yet! aaaarrrrrgggghhhhh! I can't take any more of this.
>>> It's the same with DVD. It's not been out that long, I've finally
>>> found my feet with recording editing and burning SD movies on the
>>> computer and such and now it's all going to be replaced by either Blue
>>> Ray or that other Toshiba one to accomodate the increased capacity
>>> required by HD. This means all the software I've mastered is redundant. 
>>> The capture hardware I have will be obsolete by the time I blink, and it 
>>> was expensive. My 4:3 screens belong in a skip. There's a whole new 
>>> learning curve ahead of me with HD and Blue ray and such. And have you 
>>> seen the price of HD capture hardware for computers?
>>> Nurse!
>>>
>> BUT, how would you like it if you lived when I was a boy. NO electricity, 
>> only gas or candlelight. The fastest you could get from A to B was 35mph 
>> (fast horse) etc. etc. Nothing changed for hundreds of years - how very 
>> boring!
> 
> Very few people had electricity when I was a lad, street lights were all 
> gas, a man used to come round with a hook on a pole to turn the things on, I 
> never acheived 35 mph on anything, had a bike for my eighth birday, but 
> never rode more than 2 miles!
> 
> The only person who had a motor vehicle was the baker, and he used to start 
> it with a handle, and there was a small ring sticking out of the radiator, 
> which he used to pull on whilst turning the handle, I thought that ring was 
> vital and if I ever got a motor vehicle, it would have to have one of those 
> rings!
> 
> The milkman came with a horse and cart, he milkman would collect the bottles 
> from the back of the cart and put them by the door, in the meantime the 
> horse would walk up to the next house ready for the milkman to take the milk 
> out of the cart for that house, very intellegent horses they had in those 
> days.
> 
> And, there was the 'stop me and buy one', I miss all that!
> 
> Those were the days.
> 
> 
I remember a bloke who came round with a handcart selling shellfish. My 
Mum used to send me our with a jar to get a pint of cockles!. Whatever 
happened to them!

> I remember a bloke who came round with a handcart selling shellfish. My 
> Mum used to send me our with a jar to get a pint of cockles!. Whatever 
> happened to them!

Look in the back of the fridge. :¬))