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date: Wed, 23 May 2007 08:08:49 -0500,
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UFO or not. You decide!
Third citing:
http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1252&category=Environment
--
Ken
"Buddhism elucidates why we are sentient."
"Buddhism follows thought throughout the Universe."
"Karma means that you don't get away with anything."
date: Wed, 23 May 2007 08:08:49 -0500
author: Ken Kubos
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Re: UFO or not. You decide!
On Wed, 23 May 2007 08:08:49 -0500, "Ken Kubos"
wrote:
>Third citing:
>
>http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1252&category=Environment
It's some sort of communication device but I reckons it should have
something to hold it up - like a balloon.
Steve
--
Steve Wolstenholme Neural Planner Software Ltd
EasyNN-plus. The easy way to build neural networks.
http://www.easynn.com
date: Wed, 23 May 2007 15:01:56 +0100
author: Steve Wolstenholme
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
On Wed, 23 May 2007 08:08:49 -0500, "Ken Kubos"
wrote:
>Third citing:
>
>http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1252&category=Environment
It's some sort of communication device but I reckons it should have
something to hold it up - like a balloon.
Steve
--
Steve Wolstenholme Neural Planner Software Ltd
EasyNN-plus. The easy way to build neural networks.
http://www.easynn.com
date: Wed, 23 May 2007 15:01:56 +0100
author: Steve Wolstenholme
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
On Wed, 23 May 2007 08:08:49 -0500, "Ken Kubos"
wrote:
>Third citing:
>
>http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1252&category=Environment
It's some sort of communication device but I reckons it should have
something to hold it up - like a balloon.
Steve
--
Steve Wolstenholme Neural Planner Software Ltd
EasyNN-plus. The easy way to build neural networks.
http://www.easynn.com
date: Wed, 23 May 2007 15:01:56 +0100
author: Steve Wolstenholme
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
On Wed, 23 May 2007 08:08:49 -0500, "Ken Kubos"
wrote:
>Third citing:
>
>http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1252&category=Environment
It's some sort of communication device but I reckons it should have
something to hold it up - like a balloon.
Steve
--
Steve Wolstenholme Neural Planner Software Ltd
EasyNN-plus. The easy way to build neural networks.
http://www.easynn.com
date: Wed, 23 May 2007 15:01:56 +0100
author: Steve Wolstenholme
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Re: UFO or not. You decide!
not
date: Wed, 23 May 2007 17:21:15 -0700
author: Spaz
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
On Wed, 23 May 2007 08:08:49 -0500, "Ken Kubos"
wrote:
>Third citing:
>
>http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1252&category=Environment
It's some sort of communication device but I reckons it should have
something to hold it up - like a balloon.
Steve
--
Steve Wolstenholme Neural Planner Software Ltd
EasyNN-plus. The easy way to build neural networks.
http://www.easynn.com
date: Wed, 23 May 2007 15:01:56 +0100
author: Steve Wolstenholme
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
not
date: Wed, 23 May 2007 17:21:15 -0700
author: Spaz
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Re: UFO or not. You decide!
On Wed, 23 May 2007 08:08:49 -0500, "Ken Kubos"
wrote:
>Third citing:
>
>http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1252&category=Environment
It's some sort of communication device but I reckons it should have
something to hold it up - like a balloon.
Steve
--
Steve Wolstenholme Neural Planner Software Ltd
EasyNN-plus. The easy way to build neural networks.
http://www.easynn.com
date: Wed, 23 May 2007 15:01:56 +0100
author: Steve Wolstenholme
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Re: UFO or not. You decide!
not
date: Wed, 23 May 2007 17:21:15 -0700
author: Spaz
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Re: UFO or not. You decide!
"Spaz" wrote in message
news:r_OdnaVWMbUVR8nbnZ2dnUVZ_oipnZ2d@comcast.com...
> not
Sources? Links for your position?
date: Wed, 23 May 2007 22:17:16 -0700
author: MostWanted
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Re: UFO or not. You decide!
On Wed, 23 May 2007 08:08:49 -0500, "Ken Kubos"
wrote:
>Third citing:
>
>http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1252&category=Environment
It's some sort of communication device but I reckons it should have
something to hold it up - like a balloon.
Steve
--
Steve Wolstenholme Neural Planner Software Ltd
EasyNN-plus. The easy way to build neural networks.
http://www.easynn.com
date: Wed, 23 May 2007 15:01:56 +0100
author: Steve Wolstenholme
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
not
date: Wed, 23 May 2007 17:21:15 -0700
author: Spaz
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
"Spaz" wrote in message
news:r_OdnaVWMbUVR8nbnZ2dnUVZ_oipnZ2d@comcast.com...
> not
Sources? Links for your position?
date: Wed, 23 May 2007 22:17:16 -0700
author: MostWanted
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
On Wed, 23 May 2007 08:08:49 -0500, "Ken Kubos"
wrote:
>Third citing:
>
>http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1252&category=Environment
It's some sort of communication device but I reckons it should have
something to hold it up - like a balloon.
Steve
--
Steve Wolstenholme Neural Planner Software Ltd
EasyNN-plus. The easy way to build neural networks.
http://www.easynn.com
date: Wed, 23 May 2007 15:01:56 +0100
author: Steve Wolstenholme
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
not
date: Wed, 23 May 2007 17:21:15 -0700
author: Spaz
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
"Spaz" wrote in message
news:r_OdnaVWMbUVR8nbnZ2dnUVZ_oipnZ2d@comcast.com...
> not
Sources? Links for your position?
date: Wed, 23 May 2007 22:17:16 -0700
author: MostWanted
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
On Wed, 23 May 2007 08:08:49 -0500, "Ken Kubos"
wrote:
>Third citing:
>
>http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1252&category=Environment
It's some sort of communication device but I reckons it should have
something to hold it up - like a balloon.
Steve
--
Steve Wolstenholme Neural Planner Software Ltd
EasyNN-plus. The easy way to build neural networks.
http://www.easynn.com
date: Wed, 23 May 2007 15:01:56 +0100
author: Steve Wolstenholme
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
not
date: Wed, 23 May 2007 17:21:15 -0700
author: Spaz
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
"Spaz" wrote in message
news:r_OdnaVWMbUVR8nbnZ2dnUVZ_oipnZ2d@comcast.com...
> not
Sources? Links for your position?
date: Wed, 23 May 2007 22:17:16 -0700
author: MostWanted
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Re: UFO or not. You decide!
"MostWanted" skrev i en meddelelse
news:od95i.2688$u56.2149@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net...
>
> "Spaz" wrote in message
> news:r_OdnaVWMbUVR8nbnZ2dnUVZ_oipnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> not
This definetely doesn't look like an alien craft. Still, I would like to
know if anybody can identify it. It doesn't look like a manipulated photo.
To me, it looks like a real object hanging in the air. No photo shop. It
could have been created for a movie picture and then been tested for genuine
looks here. I certainly don't know, but what I'm sure about, is it's too
"earthly" looking for being an alien craft. I'm also sure that the person
making these pictures public, has the explanation!
date: Thu, 24 May 2007 18:58:44 +0200
author: RK at@at
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Re: UFO or not. You decide!
On Wed, 23 May 2007 08:08:49 -0500, "Ken Kubos"
wrote:
>Third citing:
>
>http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1252&category=Environment
It's some sort of communication device but I reckons it should have
something to hold it up - like a balloon.
Steve
--
Steve Wolstenholme Neural Planner Software Ltd
EasyNN-plus. The easy way to build neural networks.
http://www.easynn.com
date: Wed, 23 May 2007 15:01:56 +0100
author: Steve Wolstenholme
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
not
date: Wed, 23 May 2007 17:21:15 -0700
author: Spaz
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
"Spaz" wrote in message
news:r_OdnaVWMbUVR8nbnZ2dnUVZ_oipnZ2d@comcast.com...
> not
Sources? Links for your position?
date: Wed, 23 May 2007 22:17:16 -0700
author: MostWanted
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
"MostWanted" skrev i en meddelelse
news:od95i.2688$u56.2149@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net...
>
> "Spaz" wrote in message
> news:r_OdnaVWMbUVR8nbnZ2dnUVZ_oipnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> not
This definetely doesn't look like an alien craft. Still, I would like to
know if anybody can identify it. It doesn't look like a manipulated photo.
To me, it looks like a real object hanging in the air. No photo shop. It
could have been created for a movie picture and then been tested for genuine
looks here. I certainly don't know, but what I'm sure about, is it's too
"earthly" looking for being an alien craft. I'm also sure that the person
making these pictures public, has the explanation!
date: Thu, 24 May 2007 18:58:44 +0200
author: RK at@at
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
On Wed, 23 May 2007 08:08:49 -0500, "Ken Kubos"
wrote:
>Third citing:
>
>http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1252&category=Environment
It's some sort of communication device but I reckons it should have
something to hold it up - like a balloon.
Steve
--
Steve Wolstenholme Neural Planner Software Ltd
EasyNN-plus. The easy way to build neural networks.
http://www.easynn.com
date: Wed, 23 May 2007 15:01:56 +0100
author: Steve Wolstenholme
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
not
date: Wed, 23 May 2007 17:21:15 -0700
author: Spaz
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
"Spaz" wrote in message
news:r_OdnaVWMbUVR8nbnZ2dnUVZ_oipnZ2d@comcast.com...
> not
Sources? Links for your position?
date: Wed, 23 May 2007 22:17:16 -0700
author: MostWanted
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
"MostWanted" skrev i en meddelelse
news:od95i.2688$u56.2149@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net...
>
> "Spaz" wrote in message
> news:r_OdnaVWMbUVR8nbnZ2dnUVZ_oipnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> not
This definetely doesn't look like an alien craft. Still, I would like to
know if anybody can identify it. It doesn't look like a manipulated photo.
To me, it looks like a real object hanging in the air. No photo shop. It
could have been created for a movie picture and then been tested for genuine
looks here. I certainly don't know, but what I'm sure about, is it's too
"earthly" looking for being an alien craft. I'm also sure that the person
making these pictures public, has the explanation!
date: Thu, 24 May 2007 18:58:44 +0200
author: RK at@at
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
I keep waiting for someone to jump up and yell "gotcha! I made the fake!".
But it has been several weeks and nothing but speculation... going to take
the wait and see attitude for now.
MW.
"RK" <at@at> wrote in message
news:4655c440$0$184$edfadb0f@dread11.news.tele.dk...
>
> "MostWanted" skrev i en meddelelse
> news:od95i.2688$u56.2149@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net...
>>
>> "Spaz" wrote in message
>> news:r_OdnaVWMbUVR8nbnZ2dnUVZ_oipnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>> not
>
> This definetely doesn't look like an alien craft. Still, I would like to
> know if anybody can identify it. It doesn't look like a manipulated photo.
> To me, it looks like a real object hanging in the air. No photo shop. It
> could have been created for a movie picture and then been tested for
> genuine looks here. I certainly don't know, but what I'm sure about, is
> it's too "earthly" looking for being an alien craft. I'm also sure that
> the person making these pictures public, has the explanation!
>
date: Thu, 24 May 2007 18:14:54 -0700
author: MostWanted
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
"Ken Kubos" wrote in message
news:1358f75sfbib6e0@corp.supernews.com...
> Third citing:
>
> http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1252&category=Environment
>
Seems to have no means of propulsion? If real, then a UFO it is. Aliens
exist - I have no doubt - but whether this is theirs, I do not know.
>
> Ken
>
> "Buddhism elucidates why we are sentient."
> "Buddhism follows thought throughout the Universe."
> "Karma means that you don't get away with anything."
>
>
date: Fri, 25 May 2007 02:32:34 +0100
author: Noose
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
On Wed, 23 May 2007 08:08:49 -0500, "Ken Kubos"
wrote:
>Third citing:
>
>http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1252&category=Environment
It's some sort of communication device but I reckons it should have
something to hold it up - like a balloon.
Steve
--
Steve Wolstenholme Neural Planner Software Ltd
EasyNN-plus. The easy way to build neural networks.
http://www.easynn.com
date: Wed, 23 May 2007 15:01:56 +0100
author: Steve Wolstenholme
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
not
date: Wed, 23 May 2007 17:21:15 -0700
author: Spaz
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
"Spaz" wrote in message
news:r_OdnaVWMbUVR8nbnZ2dnUVZ_oipnZ2d@comcast.com...
> not
Sources? Links for your position?
date: Wed, 23 May 2007 22:17:16 -0700
author: MostWanted
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
"MostWanted" skrev i en meddelelse
news:od95i.2688$u56.2149@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net...
>
> "Spaz" wrote in message
> news:r_OdnaVWMbUVR8nbnZ2dnUVZ_oipnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> not
This definetely doesn't look like an alien craft. Still, I would like to
know if anybody can identify it. It doesn't look like a manipulated photo.
To me, it looks like a real object hanging in the air. No photo shop. It
could have been created for a movie picture and then been tested for genuine
looks here. I certainly don't know, but what I'm sure about, is it's too
"earthly" looking for being an alien craft. I'm also sure that the person
making these pictures public, has the explanation!
date: Thu, 24 May 2007 18:58:44 +0200
author: RK at@at
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
I keep waiting for someone to jump up and yell "gotcha! I made the fake!".
But it has been several weeks and nothing but speculation... going to take
the wait and see attitude for now.
MW.
"RK" <at@at> wrote in message
news:4655c440$0$184$edfadb0f@dread11.news.tele.dk...
>
> "MostWanted" skrev i en meddelelse
> news:od95i.2688$u56.2149@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net...
>>
>> "Spaz" wrote in message
>> news:r_OdnaVWMbUVR8nbnZ2dnUVZ_oipnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>> not
>
> This definetely doesn't look like an alien craft. Still, I would like to
> know if anybody can identify it. It doesn't look like a manipulated photo.
> To me, it looks like a real object hanging in the air. No photo shop. It
> could have been created for a movie picture and then been tested for
> genuine looks here. I certainly don't know, but what I'm sure about, is
> it's too "earthly" looking for being an alien craft. I'm also sure that
> the person making these pictures public, has the explanation!
>
date: Thu, 24 May 2007 18:14:54 -0700
author: MostWanted
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
"Ken Kubos" wrote in message
news:1358f75sfbib6e0@corp.supernews.com...
> Third citing:
>
> http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1252&category=Environment
>
Seems to have no means of propulsion? If real, then a UFO it is. Aliens
exist - I have no doubt - but whether this is theirs, I do not know.
>
> Ken
>
> "Buddhism elucidates why we are sentient."
> "Buddhism follows thought throughout the Universe."
> "Karma means that you don't get away with anything."
>
>
date: Fri, 25 May 2007 02:32:34 +0100
author: Noose
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
On Wed, 23 May 2007 08:08:49 -0500, "Ken Kubos"
wrote:
>Third citing:
>
>http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1252&category=Environment
It's some sort of communication device but I reckons it should have
something to hold it up - like a balloon.
Steve
--
Steve Wolstenholme Neural Planner Software Ltd
EasyNN-plus. The easy way to build neural networks.
http://www.easynn.com
date: Wed, 23 May 2007 15:01:56 +0100
author: Steve Wolstenholme
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
not
date: Wed, 23 May 2007 17:21:15 -0700
author: Spaz
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
"Spaz" wrote in message
news:r_OdnaVWMbUVR8nbnZ2dnUVZ_oipnZ2d@comcast.com...
> not
Sources? Links for your position?
date: Wed, 23 May 2007 22:17:16 -0700
author: MostWanted
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
"MostWanted" skrev i en meddelelse
news:od95i.2688$u56.2149@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net...
>
> "Spaz" wrote in message
> news:r_OdnaVWMbUVR8nbnZ2dnUVZ_oipnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> not
This definetely doesn't look like an alien craft. Still, I would like to
know if anybody can identify it. It doesn't look like a manipulated photo.
To me, it looks like a real object hanging in the air. No photo shop. It
could have been created for a movie picture and then been tested for genuine
looks here. I certainly don't know, but what I'm sure about, is it's too
"earthly" looking for being an alien craft. I'm also sure that the person
making these pictures public, has the explanation!
date: Thu, 24 May 2007 18:58:44 +0200
author: RK at@at
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
I keep waiting for someone to jump up and yell "gotcha! I made the fake!".
But it has been several weeks and nothing but speculation... going to take
the wait and see attitude for now.
MW.
"RK" <at@at> wrote in message
news:4655c440$0$184$edfadb0f@dread11.news.tele.dk...
>
> "MostWanted" skrev i en meddelelse
> news:od95i.2688$u56.2149@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net...
>>
>> "Spaz" wrote in message
>> news:r_OdnaVWMbUVR8nbnZ2dnUVZ_oipnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>> not
>
> This definetely doesn't look like an alien craft. Still, I would like to
> know if anybody can identify it. It doesn't look like a manipulated photo.
> To me, it looks like a real object hanging in the air. No photo shop. It
> could have been created for a movie picture and then been tested for
> genuine looks here. I certainly don't know, but what I'm sure about, is
> it's too "earthly" looking for being an alien craft. I'm also sure that
> the person making these pictures public, has the explanation!
>
date: Thu, 24 May 2007 18:14:54 -0700
author: MostWanted
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
"Ken Kubos" wrote in message
news:1358f75sfbib6e0@corp.supernews.com...
> Third citing:
>
> http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1252&category=Environment
>
Seems to have no means of propulsion? If real, then a UFO it is. Aliens
exist - I have no doubt - but whether this is theirs, I do not know.
>
> Ken
>
> "Buddhism elucidates why we are sentient."
> "Buddhism follows thought throughout the Universe."
> "Karma means that you don't get away with anything."
>
>
date: Fri, 25 May 2007 02:32:34 +0100
author: Noose
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
"MostWanted" wrote in message
news:od95i.2688$u56.2149@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net...
>
> "Spaz" wrote in message
> news:r_OdnaVWMbUVR8nbnZ2dnUVZ_oipnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> not
>
>
> Sources? Links for your position?
>
>
>
How do you link common sense and experience?
AC
date: Fri, 25 May 2007 08:13:06 GMT
author: AC
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
On Wed, 23 May 2007 08:08:49 -0500, "Ken Kubos"
wrote:
>Third citing:
>
>http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1252&category=Environment
It's some sort of communication device but I reckons it should have
something to hold it up - like a balloon.
Steve
--
Steve Wolstenholme Neural Planner Software Ltd
EasyNN-plus. The easy way to build neural networks.
http://www.easynn.com
date: Wed, 23 May 2007 15:01:56 +0100
author: Steve Wolstenholme
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
not
date: Wed, 23 May 2007 17:21:15 -0700
author: Spaz
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
"Spaz" wrote in message
news:r_OdnaVWMbUVR8nbnZ2dnUVZ_oipnZ2d@comcast.com...
> not
Sources? Links for your position?
date: Wed, 23 May 2007 22:17:16 -0700
author: MostWanted
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
"MostWanted" skrev i en meddelelse
news:od95i.2688$u56.2149@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net...
>
> "Spaz" wrote in message
> news:r_OdnaVWMbUVR8nbnZ2dnUVZ_oipnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> not
This definetely doesn't look like an alien craft. Still, I would like to
know if anybody can identify it. It doesn't look like a manipulated photo.
To me, it looks like a real object hanging in the air. No photo shop. It
could have been created for a movie picture and then been tested for genuine
looks here. I certainly don't know, but what I'm sure about, is it's too
"earthly" looking for being an alien craft. I'm also sure that the person
making these pictures public, has the explanation!
date: Thu, 24 May 2007 18:58:44 +0200
author: RK at@at
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
I keep waiting for someone to jump up and yell "gotcha! I made the fake!".
But it has been several weeks and nothing but speculation... going to take
the wait and see attitude for now.
MW.
"RK" <at@at> wrote in message
news:4655c440$0$184$edfadb0f@dread11.news.tele.dk...
>
> "MostWanted" skrev i en meddelelse
> news:od95i.2688$u56.2149@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net...
>>
>> "Spaz" wrote in message
>> news:r_OdnaVWMbUVR8nbnZ2dnUVZ_oipnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>> not
>
> This definetely doesn't look like an alien craft. Still, I would like to
> know if anybody can identify it. It doesn't look like a manipulated photo.
> To me, it looks like a real object hanging in the air. No photo shop. It
> could have been created for a movie picture and then been tested for
> genuine looks here. I certainly don't know, but what I'm sure about, is
> it's too "earthly" looking for being an alien craft. I'm also sure that
> the person making these pictures public, has the explanation!
>
date: Thu, 24 May 2007 18:14:54 -0700
author: MostWanted
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
"Ken Kubos" wrote in message
news:1358f75sfbib6e0@corp.supernews.com...
> Third citing:
>
> http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1252&category=Environment
>
Seems to have no means of propulsion? If real, then a UFO it is. Aliens
exist - I have no doubt - but whether this is theirs, I do not know.
>
> Ken
>
> "Buddhism elucidates why we are sentient."
> "Buddhism follows thought throughout the Universe."
> "Karma means that you don't get away with anything."
>
>
date: Fri, 25 May 2007 02:32:34 +0100
author: Noose
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
"MostWanted" wrote in message
news:od95i.2688$u56.2149@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net...
>
> "Spaz" wrote in message
> news:r_OdnaVWMbUVR8nbnZ2dnUVZ_oipnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> not
>
>
> Sources? Links for your position?
>
>
>
How do you link common sense and experience?
AC
date: Fri, 25 May 2007 08:13:06 GMT
author: AC
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide! ... Jack Sarfatti's Seminar
Fwd: Electrostatic Alien UFO Warp Drive? & The Bulgarian
Posted by: "Jack Sarfatti" Sarfatti@PacBell.net jack_sarfatti
Thu May 24, 2007 1:29 pm (PST)
Hi, Jack & all the rest;
Nice to hear from you once again. It's been a while.
On the "alien probe" photos, I agree; this looks like some very imaginative
model and photoshopwork. While I was working for General Dynamics and the
special effects company Introvision back in the early 1980's, I had occasion
to work in photo retouching, matte painting, as well as create scale models
that were photographed with the intention of making them look like actual,
full-sized weapons systems. (Among other things). Christopher Ross, the
brother of my college room mate, worked as a model builder for Industrial
Light & Magic. I saw the original models for the Enterprise starship for the
first Star Trek feature film as it neared completion along with its scaled
"space dock". I have seen the best people in the motion picture industry at
work, have visited their studios on multiple occasions, and closely examined
their model work. This is amateurish by comparison. Heck, it even uses the
exact same tone of flat, gray gel coat that model builders use in their
fiberglass mockups! The uniformity of the exterior color is one clue to the
fact that this is a model. There are no seams, slight variations in surface
color or texture as one would expect from a thirty to sixty foot craft
constructed of multiple panels to develop the surface. I believe that it is
probably no larger than six to seven feet in its longest dimension. Size
would have to be limited to be able to string it up with 90 pound fishing
line! LOL
Another give-away is the brightly illuminated underside, while retaining a
nice, perfectly exposed sky. I have spent twenty seven years photographing
military aircraft, (both from the back seat of F-15's, F-4's,F-16's, and the
A-7K and on the ramp) as well as painting illustrations of them, and I can
tell you that a large vehicle, (as this "craft" alleges to be) would have
had its ventral surface (belly) completely blacked out in shadow in order to
have such a perfectly exposed sky while hovering above treetop level.
Conversely, had the underside been so beautifully exposed, the much brighter
level of light from the sky should have been washed out and almost white.
But in order to satisfy the light exposure as shown, one COULD accomplish
that by having a six foot model photographed from about six feet off the
ground in broad daylight. With the secondary light source of the ground in
such proximity, one might actually be able to balance the two light sources:
the sky and the ventral surface illuminated by reflected light from the
ground.
This all says "MODEL" loud and clear to me. In support of this theory, note
that there is a slight warmth to the ventral lighting suggesting a nearby
reflected lightsource, such as the tan-colored, dried grass seen elsewhere
in the photos. That sort of reflected light could never balance with nor
overpower the lightsource of the sky from thirty to seventy feet off the
ground passing over the trees.
And to have another guy jump in with an additional set of shots of a
remarkably similar craft only says "conspiracy" in my book. Note the
vegetation. It's the same in both sets even though the photos are supposed
to have been taken miles apart on different days.
Bottom line:
I SAY THEY'RE FAKE!
Warm Regards to All,
Mark McCandlish
--
Ken
"Buddhism elucidates why we are sentient."
"Buddhism follows thought throughout the Universe."
"Karma means that you don't get away with anything."
"Ken Kubos" wrote in message
news:1358f75sfbib6e0@corp.supernews.com...
| Third citing:
|
| http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1252&category=Environment
|
| --
|
| Ken
|
| "Buddhism elucidates why we are sentient."
| "Buddhism follows thought throughout the Universe."
| "Karma means that you don't get away with anything."
|
|
date: Fri, 25 May 2007 08:30:58 -0500
author: Ken Kubos
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
On Wed, 23 May 2007 08:08:49 -0500, "Ken Kubos"
wrote:
>Third citing:
>
>http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1252&category=Environment
It's some sort of communication device but I reckons it should have
something to hold it up - like a balloon.
Steve
--
Steve Wolstenholme Neural Planner Software Ltd
EasyNN-plus. The easy way to build neural networks.
http://www.easynn.com
date: Wed, 23 May 2007 15:01:56 +0100
author: Steve Wolstenholme
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
not
date: Wed, 23 May 2007 17:21:15 -0700
author: Spaz
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
"Spaz" wrote in message
news:r_OdnaVWMbUVR8nbnZ2dnUVZ_oipnZ2d@comcast.com...
> not
Sources? Links for your position?
date: Wed, 23 May 2007 22:17:16 -0700
author: MostWanted
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
"MostWanted" skrev i en meddelelse
news:od95i.2688$u56.2149@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net...
>
> "Spaz" wrote in message
> news:r_OdnaVWMbUVR8nbnZ2dnUVZ_oipnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> not
This definetely doesn't look like an alien craft. Still, I would like to
know if anybody can identify it. It doesn't look like a manipulated photo.
To me, it looks like a real object hanging in the air. No photo shop. It
could have been created for a movie picture and then been tested for genuine
looks here. I certainly don't know, but what I'm sure about, is it's too
"earthly" looking for being an alien craft. I'm also sure that the person
making these pictures public, has the explanation!
date: Thu, 24 May 2007 18:58:44 +0200
author: RK at@at
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
I keep waiting for someone to jump up and yell "gotcha! I made the fake!".
But it has been several weeks and nothing but speculation... going to take
the wait and see attitude for now.
MW.
"RK" <at@at> wrote in message
news:4655c440$0$184$edfadb0f@dread11.news.tele.dk...
>
> "MostWanted" skrev i en meddelelse
> news:od95i.2688$u56.2149@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net...
>>
>> "Spaz" wrote in message
>> news:r_OdnaVWMbUVR8nbnZ2dnUVZ_oipnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>> not
>
> This definetely doesn't look like an alien craft. Still, I would like to
> know if anybody can identify it. It doesn't look like a manipulated photo.
> To me, it looks like a real object hanging in the air. No photo shop. It
> could have been created for a movie picture and then been tested for
> genuine looks here. I certainly don't know, but what I'm sure about, is
> it's too "earthly" looking for being an alien craft. I'm also sure that
> the person making these pictures public, has the explanation!
>
date: Thu, 24 May 2007 18:14:54 -0700
author: MostWanted
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
"Ken Kubos" wrote in message
news:1358f75sfbib6e0@corp.supernews.com...
> Third citing:
>
> http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1252&category=Environment
>
Seems to have no means of propulsion? If real, then a UFO it is. Aliens
exist - I have no doubt - but whether this is theirs, I do not know.
>
> Ken
>
> "Buddhism elucidates why we are sentient."
> "Buddhism follows thought throughout the Universe."
> "Karma means that you don't get away with anything."
>
>
date: Fri, 25 May 2007 02:32:34 +0100
author: Noose
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
"MostWanted" wrote in message
news:od95i.2688$u56.2149@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net...
>
> "Spaz" wrote in message
> news:r_OdnaVWMbUVR8nbnZ2dnUVZ_oipnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> not
>
>
> Sources? Links for your position?
>
>
>
How do you link common sense and experience?
AC
date: Fri, 25 May 2007 08:13:06 GMT
author: AC
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide! ... Jack Sarfatti's Seminar
Fwd: Electrostatic Alien UFO Warp Drive? & The Bulgarian
Posted by: "Jack Sarfatti" Sarfatti@PacBell.net jack_sarfatti
Thu May 24, 2007 1:29 pm (PST)
Hi, Jack & all the rest;
Nice to hear from you once again. It's been a while.
On the "alien probe" photos, I agree; this looks like some very imaginative
model and photoshopwork. While I was working for General Dynamics and the
special effects company Introvision back in the early 1980's, I had occasion
to work in photo retouching, matte painting, as well as create scale models
that were photographed with the intention of making them look like actual,
full-sized weapons systems. (Among other things). Christopher Ross, the
brother of my college room mate, worked as a model builder for Industrial
Light & Magic. I saw the original models for the Enterprise starship for the
first Star Trek feature film as it neared completion along with its scaled
"space dock". I have seen the best people in the motion picture industry at
work, have visited their studios on multiple occasions, and closely examined
their model work. This is amateurish by comparison. Heck, it even uses the
exact same tone of flat, gray gel coat that model builders use in their
fiberglass mockups! The uniformity of the exterior color is one clue to the
fact that this is a model. There are no seams, slight variations in surface
color or texture as one would expect from a thirty to sixty foot craft
constructed of multiple panels to develop the surface. I believe that it is
probably no larger than six to seven feet in its longest dimension. Size
would have to be limited to be able to string it up with 90 pound fishing
line! LOL
Another give-away is the brightly illuminated underside, while retaining a
nice, perfectly exposed sky. I have spent twenty seven years photographing
military aircraft, (both from the back seat of F-15's, F-4's,F-16's, and the
A-7K and on the ramp) as well as painting illustrations of them, and I can
tell you that a large vehicle, (as this "craft" alleges to be) would have
had its ventral surface (belly) completely blacked out in shadow in order to
have such a perfectly exposed sky while hovering above treetop level.
Conversely, had the underside been so beautifully exposed, the much brighter
level of light from the sky should have been washed out and almost white.
But in order to satisfy the light exposure as shown, one COULD accomplish
that by having a six foot model photographed from about six feet off the
ground in broad daylight. With the secondary light source of the ground in
such proximity, one might actually be able to balance the two light sources:
the sky and the ventral surface illuminated by reflected light from the
ground.
This all says "MODEL" loud and clear to me. In support of this theory, note
that there is a slight warmth to the ventral lighting suggesting a nearby
reflected lightsource, such as the tan-colored, dried grass seen elsewhere
in the photos. That sort of reflected light could never balance with nor
overpower the lightsource of the sky from thirty to seventy feet off the
ground passing over the trees.
And to have another guy jump in with an additional set of shots of a
remarkably similar craft only says "conspiracy" in my book. Note the
vegetation. It's the same in both sets even though the photos are supposed
to have been taken miles apart on different days.
Bottom line:
I SAY THEY'RE FAKE!
Warm Regards to All,
Mark McCandlish
--
Ken
"Buddhism elucidates why we are sentient."
"Buddhism follows thought throughout the Universe."
"Karma means that you don't get away with anything."
"Ken Kubos" wrote in message
news:1358f75sfbib6e0@corp.supernews.com...
| Third citing:
|
| http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1252&category=Environment
|
| --
|
| Ken
|
| "Buddhism elucidates why we are sentient."
| "Buddhism follows thought throughout the Universe."
| "Karma means that you don't get away with anything."
|
|
date: Fri, 25 May 2007 08:30:58 -0500
author: Ken Kubos
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
On Wed, 23 May 2007 08:08:49 -0500, "Ken Kubos"
wrote:
>Third citing:
>
>http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1252&category=Environment
It's some sort of communication device but I reckons it should have
something to hold it up - like a balloon.
Steve
--
Steve Wolstenholme Neural Planner Software Ltd
EasyNN-plus. The easy way to build neural networks.
http://www.easynn.com
date: Wed, 23 May 2007 15:01:56 +0100
author: Steve Wolstenholme
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
not
date: Wed, 23 May 2007 17:21:15 -0700
author: Spaz
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
"Spaz" wrote in message
news:r_OdnaVWMbUVR8nbnZ2dnUVZ_oipnZ2d@comcast.com...
> not
Sources? Links for your position?
date: Wed, 23 May 2007 22:17:16 -0700
author: MostWanted
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
"MostWanted" skrev i en meddelelse
news:od95i.2688$u56.2149@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net...
>
> "Spaz" wrote in message
> news:r_OdnaVWMbUVR8nbnZ2dnUVZ_oipnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> not
This definetely doesn't look like an alien craft. Still, I would like to
know if anybody can identify it. It doesn't look like a manipulated photo.
To me, it looks like a real object hanging in the air. No photo shop. It
could have been created for a movie picture and then been tested for genuine
looks here. I certainly don't know, but what I'm sure about, is it's too
"earthly" looking for being an alien craft. I'm also sure that the person
making these pictures public, has the explanation!
date: Thu, 24 May 2007 18:58:44 +0200
author: RK at@at
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
I keep waiting for someone to jump up and yell "gotcha! I made the fake!".
But it has been several weeks and nothing but speculation... going to take
the wait and see attitude for now.
MW.
"RK" <at@at> wrote in message
news:4655c440$0$184$edfadb0f@dread11.news.tele.dk...
>
> "MostWanted" skrev i en meddelelse
> news:od95i.2688$u56.2149@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net...
>>
>> "Spaz" wrote in message
>> news:r_OdnaVWMbUVR8nbnZ2dnUVZ_oipnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>> not
>
> This definetely doesn't look like an alien craft. Still, I would like to
> know if anybody can identify it. It doesn't look like a manipulated photo.
> To me, it looks like a real object hanging in the air. No photo shop. It
> could have been created for a movie picture and then been tested for
> genuine looks here. I certainly don't know, but what I'm sure about, is
> it's too "earthly" looking for being an alien craft. I'm also sure that
> the person making these pictures public, has the explanation!
>
date: Thu, 24 May 2007 18:14:54 -0700
author: MostWanted
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
"Ken Kubos" wrote in message
news:1358f75sfbib6e0@corp.supernews.com...
> Third citing:
>
> http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1252&category=Environment
>
Seems to have no means of propulsion? If real, then a UFO it is. Aliens
exist - I have no doubt - but whether this is theirs, I do not know.
>
> Ken
>
> "Buddhism elucidates why we are sentient."
> "Buddhism follows thought throughout the Universe."
> "Karma means that you don't get away with anything."
>
>
date: Fri, 25 May 2007 02:32:34 +0100
author: Noose
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
"MostWanted" wrote in message
news:od95i.2688$u56.2149@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net...
>
> "Spaz" wrote in message
> news:r_OdnaVWMbUVR8nbnZ2dnUVZ_oipnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> not
>
>
> Sources? Links for your position?
>
>
>
How do you link common sense and experience?
AC
date: Fri, 25 May 2007 08:13:06 GMT
author: AC
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide! ... Jack Sarfatti's Seminar
Fwd: Electrostatic Alien UFO Warp Drive? & The Bulgarian
Posted by: "Jack Sarfatti" Sarfatti@PacBell.net jack_sarfatti
Thu May 24, 2007 1:29 pm (PST)
Hi, Jack & all the rest;
Nice to hear from you once again. It's been a while.
On the "alien probe" photos, I agree; this looks like some very imaginative
model and photoshopwork. While I was working for General Dynamics and the
special effects company Introvision back in the early 1980's, I had occasion
to work in photo retouching, matte painting, as well as create scale models
that were photographed with the intention of making them look like actual,
full-sized weapons systems. (Among other things). Christopher Ross, the
brother of my college room mate, worked as a model builder for Industrial
Light & Magic. I saw the original models for the Enterprise starship for the
first Star Trek feature film as it neared completion along with its scaled
"space dock". I have seen the best people in the motion picture industry at
work, have visited their studios on multiple occasions, and closely examined
their model work. This is amateurish by comparison. Heck, it even uses the
exact same tone of flat, gray gel coat that model builders use in their
fiberglass mockups! The uniformity of the exterior color is one clue to the
fact that this is a model. There are no seams, slight variations in surface
color or texture as one would expect from a thirty to sixty foot craft
constructed of multiple panels to develop the surface. I believe that it is
probably no larger than six to seven feet in its longest dimension. Size
would have to be limited to be able to string it up with 90 pound fishing
line! LOL
Another give-away is the brightly illuminated underside, while retaining a
nice, perfectly exposed sky. I have spent twenty seven years photographing
military aircraft, (both from the back seat of F-15's, F-4's,F-16's, and the
A-7K and on the ramp) as well as painting illustrations of them, and I can
tell you that a large vehicle, (as this "craft" alleges to be) would have
had its ventral surface (belly) completely blacked out in shadow in order to
have such a perfectly exposed sky while hovering above treetop level.
Conversely, had the underside been so beautifully exposed, the much brighter
level of light from the sky should have been washed out and almost white.
But in order to satisfy the light exposure as shown, one COULD accomplish
that by having a six foot model photographed from about six feet off the
ground in broad daylight. With the secondary light source of the ground in
such proximity, one might actually be able to balance the two light sources:
the sky and the ventral surface illuminated by reflected light from the
ground.
This all says "MODEL" loud and clear to me. In support of this theory, note
that there is a slight warmth to the ventral lighting suggesting a nearby
reflected lightsource, such as the tan-colored, dried grass seen elsewhere
in the photos. That sort of reflected light could never balance with nor
overpower the lightsource of the sky from thirty to seventy feet off the
ground passing over the trees.
And to have another guy jump in with an additional set of shots of a
remarkably similar craft only says "conspiracy" in my book. Note the
vegetation. It's the same in both sets even though the photos are supposed
to have been taken miles apart on different days.
Bottom line:
I SAY THEY'RE FAKE!
Warm Regards to All,
Mark McCandlish
--
Ken
"Buddhism elucidates why we are sentient."
"Buddhism follows thought throughout the Universe."
"Karma means that you don't get away with anything."
"Ken Kubos" wrote in message
news:1358f75sfbib6e0@corp.supernews.com...
| Third citing:
|
| http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1252&category=Environment
|
| --
|
| Ken
|
| "Buddhism elucidates why we are sentient."
| "Buddhism follows thought throughout the Universe."
| "Karma means that you don't get away with anything."
|
|
date: Fri, 25 May 2007 08:30:58 -0500
author: Ken Kubos
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
On Wed, 23 May 2007 08:08:49 -0500, "Ken Kubos"
wrote:
>Third citing:
>
>http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1252&category=Environment
It's some sort of communication device but I reckons it should have
something to hold it up - like a balloon.
Steve
--
Steve Wolstenholme Neural Planner Software Ltd
EasyNN-plus. The easy way to build neural networks.
http://www.easynn.com
date: Wed, 23 May 2007 15:01:56 +0100
author: Steve Wolstenholme
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
not
date: Wed, 23 May 2007 17:21:15 -0700
author: Spaz
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
"Spaz" wrote in message
news:r_OdnaVWMbUVR8nbnZ2dnUVZ_oipnZ2d@comcast.com...
> not
Sources? Links for your position?
date: Wed, 23 May 2007 22:17:16 -0700
author: MostWanted
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
"MostWanted" skrev i en meddelelse
news:od95i.2688$u56.2149@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net...
>
> "Spaz" wrote in message
> news:r_OdnaVWMbUVR8nbnZ2dnUVZ_oipnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> not
This definetely doesn't look like an alien craft. Still, I would like to
know if anybody can identify it. It doesn't look like a manipulated photo.
To me, it looks like a real object hanging in the air. No photo shop. It
could have been created for a movie picture and then been tested for genuine
looks here. I certainly don't know, but what I'm sure about, is it's too
"earthly" looking for being an alien craft. I'm also sure that the person
making these pictures public, has the explanation!
date: Thu, 24 May 2007 18:58:44 +0200
author: RK at@at
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
I keep waiting for someone to jump up and yell "gotcha! I made the fake!".
But it has been several weeks and nothing but speculation... going to take
the wait and see attitude for now.
MW.
"RK" <at@at> wrote in message
news:4655c440$0$184$edfadb0f@dread11.news.tele.dk...
>
> "MostWanted" skrev i en meddelelse
> news:od95i.2688$u56.2149@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net...
>>
>> "Spaz" wrote in message
>> news:r_OdnaVWMbUVR8nbnZ2dnUVZ_oipnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>> not
>
> This definetely doesn't look like an alien craft. Still, I would like to
> know if anybody can identify it. It doesn't look like a manipulated photo.
> To me, it looks like a real object hanging in the air. No photo shop. It
> could have been created for a movie picture and then been tested for
> genuine looks here. I certainly don't know, but what I'm sure about, is
> it's too "earthly" looking for being an alien craft. I'm also sure that
> the person making these pictures public, has the explanation!
>
date: Thu, 24 May 2007 18:14:54 -0700
author: MostWanted
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
"Ken Kubos" wrote in message
news:1358f75sfbib6e0@corp.supernews.com...
> Third citing:
>
> http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1252&category=Environment
>
Seems to have no means of propulsion? If real, then a UFO it is. Aliens
exist - I have no doubt - but whether this is theirs, I do not know.
>
> Ken
>
> "Buddhism elucidates why we are sentient."
> "Buddhism follows thought throughout the Universe."
> "Karma means that you don't get away with anything."
>
>
date: Fri, 25 May 2007 02:32:34 +0100
author: Noose
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
"MostWanted" wrote in message
news:od95i.2688$u56.2149@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net...
>
> "Spaz" wrote in message
> news:r_OdnaVWMbUVR8nbnZ2dnUVZ_oipnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> not
>
>
> Sources? Links for your position?
>
>
>
How do you link common sense and experience?
AC
date: Fri, 25 May 2007 08:13:06 GMT
author: AC
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide! ... Jack Sarfatti's Seminar
Fwd: Electrostatic Alien UFO Warp Drive? & The Bulgarian
Posted by: "Jack Sarfatti" Sarfatti@PacBell.net jack_sarfatti
Thu May 24, 2007 1:29 pm (PST)
Hi, Jack & all the rest;
Nice to hear from you once again. It's been a while.
On the "alien probe" photos, I agree; this looks like some very imaginative
model and photoshopwork. While I was working for General Dynamics and the
special effects company Introvision back in the early 1980's, I had occasion
to work in photo retouching, matte painting, as well as create scale models
that were photographed with the intention of making them look like actual,
full-sized weapons systems. (Among other things). Christopher Ross, the
brother of my college room mate, worked as a model builder for Industrial
Light & Magic. I saw the original models for the Enterprise starship for the
first Star Trek feature film as it neared completion along with its scaled
"space dock". I have seen the best people in the motion picture industry at
work, have visited their studios on multiple occasions, and closely examined
their model work. This is amateurish by comparison. Heck, it even uses the
exact same tone of flat, gray gel coat that model builders use in their
fiberglass mockups! The uniformity of the exterior color is one clue to the
fact that this is a model. There are no seams, slight variations in surface
color or texture as one would expect from a thirty to sixty foot craft
constructed of multiple panels to develop the surface. I believe that it is
probably no larger than six to seven feet in its longest dimension. Size
would have to be limited to be able to string it up with 90 pound fishing
line! LOL
Another give-away is the brightly illuminated underside, while retaining a
nice, perfectly exposed sky. I have spent twenty seven years photographing
military aircraft, (both from the back seat of F-15's, F-4's,F-16's, and the
A-7K and on the ramp) as well as painting illustrations of them, and I can
tell you that a large vehicle, (as this "craft" alleges to be) would have
had its ventral surface (belly) completely blacked out in shadow in order to
have such a perfectly exposed sky while hovering above treetop level.
Conversely, had the underside been so beautifully exposed, the much brighter
level of light from the sky should have been washed out and almost white.
But in order to satisfy the light exposure as shown, one COULD accomplish
that by having a six foot model photographed from about six feet off the
ground in broad daylight. With the secondary light source of the ground in
such proximity, one might actually be able to balance the two light sources:
the sky and the ventral surface illuminated by reflected light from the
ground.
This all says "MODEL" loud and clear to me. In support of this theory, note
that there is a slight warmth to the ventral lighting suggesting a nearby
reflected lightsource, such as the tan-colored, dried grass seen elsewhere
in the photos. That sort of reflected light could never balance with nor
overpower the lightsource of the sky from thirty to seventy feet off the
ground passing over the trees.
And to have another guy jump in with an additional set of shots of a
remarkably similar craft only says "conspiracy" in my book. Note the
vegetation. It's the same in both sets even though the photos are supposed
to have been taken miles apart on different days.
Bottom line:
I SAY THEY'RE FAKE!
Warm Regards to All,
Mark McCandlish
--
Ken
"Buddhism elucidates why we are sentient."
"Buddhism follows thought throughout the Universe."
"Karma means that you don't get away with anything."
"Ken Kubos" wrote in message
news:1358f75sfbib6e0@corp.supernews.com...
| Third citing:
|
| http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1252&category=Environment
|
| --
|
| Ken
|
| "Buddhism elucidates why we are sentient."
| "Buddhism follows thought throughout the Universe."
| "Karma means that you don't get away with anything."
|
|
date: Fri, 25 May 2007 08:30:58 -0500
author: Ken Kubos
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
"AC" wrote in message
news:mUw5i.1843$sM1.1635@newsfe4-win.ntli.net...
>
> How do you link common sense and experience?
Easy. My common sense and experience with UFO tards tells me its a FAKE.
So does my photo analyzer.
You can believe it's a UFO if you want to. After all, it's a free society.
date: Fri, 25 May 2007 23:25:56 -0700
author: Spaz
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
On Wed, 23 May 2007 08:08:49 -0500, "Ken Kubos"
wrote:
>Third citing:
>
>http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1252&category=Environment
It's some sort of communication device but I reckons it should have
something to hold it up - like a balloon.
Steve
--
Steve Wolstenholme Neural Planner Software Ltd
EasyNN-plus. The easy way to build neural networks.
http://www.easynn.com
date: Wed, 23 May 2007 15:01:56 +0100
author: Steve Wolstenholme
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
not
date: Wed, 23 May 2007 17:21:15 -0700
author: Spaz
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
"Spaz" wrote in message
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> not
Sources? Links for your position?
date: Wed, 23 May 2007 22:17:16 -0700
author: MostWanted
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
"MostWanted" skrev i en meddelelse
news:od95i.2688$u56.2149@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net...
>
> "Spaz" wrote in message
> news:r_OdnaVWMbUVR8nbnZ2dnUVZ_oipnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> not
This definetely doesn't look like an alien craft. Still, I would like to
know if anybody can identify it. It doesn't look like a manipulated photo.
To me, it looks like a real object hanging in the air. No photo shop. It
could have been created for a movie picture and then been tested for genuine
looks here. I certainly don't know, but what I'm sure about, is it's too
"earthly" looking for being an alien craft. I'm also sure that the person
making these pictures public, has the explanation!
date: Thu, 24 May 2007 18:58:44 +0200
author: RK at@at
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
I keep waiting for someone to jump up and yell "gotcha! I made the fake!".
But it has been several weeks and nothing but speculation... going to take
the wait and see attitude for now.
MW.
"RK" <at@at> wrote in message
news:4655c440$0$184$edfadb0f@dread11.news.tele.dk...
>
> "MostWanted" skrev i en meddelelse
> news:od95i.2688$u56.2149@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net...
>>
>> "Spaz" wrote in message
>> news:r_OdnaVWMbUVR8nbnZ2dnUVZ_oipnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>> not
>
> This definetely doesn't look like an alien craft. Still, I would like to
> know if anybody can identify it. It doesn't look like a manipulated photo.
> To me, it looks like a real object hanging in the air. No photo shop. It
> could have been created for a movie picture and then been tested for
> genuine looks here. I certainly don't know, but what I'm sure about, is
> it's too "earthly" looking for being an alien craft. I'm also sure that
> the person making these pictures public, has the explanation!
>
date: Thu, 24 May 2007 18:14:54 -0700
author: MostWanted
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
"Ken Kubos" wrote in message
news:1358f75sfbib6e0@corp.supernews.com...
> Third citing:
>
> http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1252&category=Environment
>
Seems to have no means of propulsion? If real, then a UFO it is. Aliens
exist - I have no doubt - but whether this is theirs, I do not know.
>
> Ken
>
> "Buddhism elucidates why we are sentient."
> "Buddhism follows thought throughout the Universe."
> "Karma means that you don't get away with anything."
>
>
date: Fri, 25 May 2007 02:32:34 +0100
author: Noose
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
"MostWanted" wrote in message
news:od95i.2688$u56.2149@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net...
>
> "Spaz" wrote in message
> news:r_OdnaVWMbUVR8nbnZ2dnUVZ_oipnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> not
>
>
> Sources? Links for your position?
>
>
>
How do you link common sense and experience?
AC
date: Fri, 25 May 2007 08:13:06 GMT
author: AC
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide! ... Jack Sarfatti's Seminar
Fwd: Electrostatic Alien UFO Warp Drive? & The Bulgarian
Posted by: "Jack Sarfatti" Sarfatti@PacBell.net jack_sarfatti
Thu May 24, 2007 1:29 pm (PST)
Hi, Jack & all the rest;
Nice to hear from you once again. It's been a while.
On the "alien probe" photos, I agree; this looks like some very imaginative
model and photoshopwork. While I was working for General Dynamics and the
special effects company Introvision back in the early 1980's, I had occasion
to work in photo retouching, matte painting, as well as create scale models
that were photographed with the intention of making them look like actual,
full-sized weapons systems. (Among other things). Christopher Ross, the
brother of my college room mate, worked as a model builder for Industrial
Light & Magic. I saw the original models for the Enterprise starship for the
first Star Trek feature film as it neared completion along with its scaled
"space dock". I have seen the best people in the motion picture industry at
work, have visited their studios on multiple occasions, and closely examined
their model work. This is amateurish by comparison. Heck, it even uses the
exact same tone of flat, gray gel coat that model builders use in their
fiberglass mockups! The uniformity of the exterior color is one clue to the
fact that this is a model. There are no seams, slight variations in surface
color or texture as one would expect from a thirty to sixty foot craft
constructed of multiple panels to develop the surface. I believe that it is
probably no larger than six to seven feet in its longest dimension. Size
would have to be limited to be able to string it up with 90 pound fishing
line! LOL
Another give-away is the brightly illuminated underside, while retaining a
nice, perfectly exposed sky. I have spent twenty seven years photographing
military aircraft, (both from the back seat of F-15's, F-4's,F-16's, and the
A-7K and on the ramp) as well as painting illustrations of them, and I can
tell you that a large vehicle, (as this "craft" alleges to be) would have
had its ventral surface (belly) completely blacked out in shadow in order to
have such a perfectly exposed sky while hovering above treetop level.
Conversely, had the underside been so beautifully exposed, the much brighter
level of light from the sky should have been washed out and almost white.
But in order to satisfy the light exposure as shown, one COULD accomplish
that by having a six foot model photographed from about six feet off the
ground in broad daylight. With the secondary light source of the ground in
such proximity, one might actually be able to balance the two light sources:
the sky and the ventral surface illuminated by reflected light from the
ground.
This all says "MODEL" loud and clear to me. In support of this theory, note
that there is a slight warmth to the ventral lighting suggesting a nearby
reflected lightsource, such as the tan-colored, dried grass seen elsewhere
in the photos. That sort of reflected light could never balance with nor
overpower the lightsource of the sky from thirty to seventy feet off the
ground passing over the trees.
And to have another guy jump in with an additional set of shots of a
remarkably similar craft only says "conspiracy" in my book. Note the
vegetation. It's the same in both sets even though the photos are supposed
to have been taken miles apart on different days.
Bottom line:
I SAY THEY'RE FAKE!
Warm Regards to All,
Mark McCandlish
--
Ken
"Buddhism elucidates why we are sentient."
"Buddhism follows thought throughout the Universe."
"Karma means that you don't get away with anything."
"Ken Kubos" wrote in message
news:1358f75sfbib6e0@corp.supernews.com...
| Third citing:
|
| http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1252&category=Environment
|
| --
|
| Ken
|
| "Buddhism elucidates why we are sentient."
| "Buddhism follows thought throughout the Universe."
| "Karma means that you don't get away with anything."
|
|
date: Fri, 25 May 2007 08:30:58 -0500
author: Ken Kubos
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
"AC" wrote in message
news:mUw5i.1843$sM1.1635@newsfe4-win.ntli.net...
>
> How do you link common sense and experience?
Easy. My common sense and experience with UFO tards tells me its a FAKE.
So does my photo analyzer.
You can believe it's a UFO if you want to. After all, it's a free society.
date: Fri, 25 May 2007 23:25:56 -0700
author: Spaz
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
On Wed, 23 May 2007 08:08:49 -0500, "Ken Kubos"
wrote:
>Third citing:
>
>http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1252&category=Environment
It's some sort of communication device but I reckons it should have
something to hold it up - like a balloon.
Steve
--
Steve Wolstenholme Neural Planner Software Ltd
EasyNN-plus. The easy way to build neural networks.
http://www.easynn.com
date: Wed, 23 May 2007 15:01:56 +0100
author: Steve Wolstenholme
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
not
date: Wed, 23 May 2007 17:21:15 -0700
author: Spaz
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
"Spaz" wrote in message
news:r_OdnaVWMbUVR8nbnZ2dnUVZ_oipnZ2d@comcast.com...
> not
Sources? Links for your position?
date: Wed, 23 May 2007 22:17:16 -0700
author: MostWanted
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
"MostWanted" skrev i en meddelelse
news:od95i.2688$u56.2149@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net...
>
> "Spaz" wrote in message
> news:r_OdnaVWMbUVR8nbnZ2dnUVZ_oipnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> not
This definetely doesn't look like an alien craft. Still, I would like to
know if anybody can identify it. It doesn't look like a manipulated photo.
To me, it looks like a real object hanging in the air. No photo shop. It
could have been created for a movie picture and then been tested for genuine
looks here. I certainly don't know, but what I'm sure about, is it's too
"earthly" looking for being an alien craft. I'm also sure that the person
making these pictures public, has the explanation!
date: Thu, 24 May 2007 18:58:44 +0200
author: RK at@at
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
I keep waiting for someone to jump up and yell "gotcha! I made the fake!".
But it has been several weeks and nothing but speculation... going to take
the wait and see attitude for now.
MW.
"RK" <at@at> wrote in message
news:4655c440$0$184$edfadb0f@dread11.news.tele.dk...
>
> "MostWanted" skrev i en meddelelse
> news:od95i.2688$u56.2149@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net...
>>
>> "Spaz" wrote in message
>> news:r_OdnaVWMbUVR8nbnZ2dnUVZ_oipnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>> not
>
> This definetely doesn't look like an alien craft. Still, I would like to
> know if anybody can identify it. It doesn't look like a manipulated photo.
> To me, it looks like a real object hanging in the air. No photo shop. It
> could have been created for a movie picture and then been tested for
> genuine looks here. I certainly don't know, but what I'm sure about, is
> it's too "earthly" looking for being an alien craft. I'm also sure that
> the person making these pictures public, has the explanation!
>
date: Thu, 24 May 2007 18:14:54 -0700
author: MostWanted
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
"Ken Kubos" wrote in message
news:1358f75sfbib6e0@corp.supernews.com...
> Third citing:
>
> http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1252&category=Environment
>
Seems to have no means of propulsion? If real, then a UFO it is. Aliens
exist - I have no doubt - but whether this is theirs, I do not know.
>
> Ken
>
> "Buddhism elucidates why we are sentient."
> "Buddhism follows thought throughout the Universe."
> "Karma means that you don't get away with anything."
>
>
date: Fri, 25 May 2007 02:32:34 +0100
author: Noose
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide!
"MostWanted" wrote in message
news:od95i.2688$u56.2149@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net...
>
> "Spaz" wrote in message
> news:r_OdnaVWMbUVR8nbnZ2dnUVZ_oipnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> not
>
>
> Sources? Links for your position?
>
>
>
How do you link common sense and experience?
AC
date: Fri, 25 May 2007 08:13:06 GMT
author: AC
|
Re: UFO or not. You decide! ... Jack Sarfatti's Seminar
Fwd: Electrostatic Alien UFO Warp Drive? & The Bulgarian
Posted by: "Jack Sarfatti" Sarfatti@PacBell.net jack_sarfatti
Thu May 24, 2007 1:29 pm (PST)
Hi, Jack & all the rest;
Nice to hear from you once again. It's been a while.
On the "alien probe" photos, I agree; this looks like some very imaginative
model and photoshopwork. While I was working for General Dynamics and the
special effects company Introvision back in the early 1980's, I had occasion
to work in photo retouching, matte painting, as well as create scale models
that were photographed with the intention of making them look like actual,
full-sized weapons systems. (Among other things). Christopher Ross, the
brother of my college room mate, worked as a model builder for Industrial
Light & Magic. I saw the original models for the Enterprise starship for the
first Star Trek feature film as it neared completion along with its scaled
"space dock". I have seen the best people in the motion picture industry at
work, have visited their studios on multiple occasions, and closely examined
their model work. This is amateurish by comparison. Heck, it even uses the
exact same tone of flat, gray gel coat that model builders use in their
fiberglass mockups! The uniformity of the exterior color is one clue to the
fact that this is a model. There are no seams, slight variations in surface
color or texture as one would expect from a thirty to sixty foot craft
constructed of multiple panels to develop the surface. I believe that it is
probably no larger than six to seven feet in its longest dimension. Size
would have to be limited to be able to string it up with 90 pound fishing
line! LOL
Another give-away is the brightly illuminated underside, while retaining a
nice, perfectly exposed sky. I have spent twenty seven years photographing
military aircraft, (both from the back seat of F-15's, F-4's,F-16's, and the
A-7K and on the ramp) as well as painting illustrations of them, and I can
tell you that a large vehicle, (as this "craft" alleges to be) would have
had its ventral surface (belly) completely blacked out in shadow in order to
have such a perfectly exposed sky while hovering above treetop level.
Conversely, had the underside been so beautifully exposed, the much brighter
level of light from the sky should have been washed out and almost white.
But in order to satisfy the light exposure as shown, one COULD accomplish
that by having a six foot model photographed from about six feet off the
ground in broad daylight. With the secondary light source of the ground in
such proximity, one might actually be able to balance the two light sources:
the sky and the ventral surface illuminated by reflected light from the
ground.
This all says "MODEL" loud and clear to me. In support of this theory, note
that there is a slight warmth to the ventral lighting suggesting a nearby
reflected lightsource, such as the tan-colored, dried grass seen elsewhere
in the photos. That sort of reflected light could never balance with nor
overpower the lightsource of the sky from thirty to seventy feet off the
ground passing over the trees.
And to have another guy jump in with an additional set of shots of a
remarkably similar craft only says "conspiracy" in my book. Note the
vegetation. It's the same in both sets even though the photos are supposed
to have been taken miles apart on different days.
Bottom line:
I SAY THEY'RE FAKE!
Warm Regards to All,
Mark McCandlish
--
Ken
"Buddhism elucidates why we are sentient."
"Buddhism follows thought throughout the Universe."
"Karma means that you don't get away with anything."
"Ken Kubos" wrote in message
news:1358f75sfbib6e0@corp.supernews.com...
| Third citing:
|
| http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1252&category=Environment
|
| --
|
| Ken
|
| "Buddhism elucidates why we are sentient."
| "Buddhism follows thought throughout the Universe."
| "Karma means that you don't get away with anything."
|
|
date: Fri, 25 May 2007 08:30:58 -0500
author: | |
