In article ,
Amethyst Deceiver   wrote:
>
>Longer ago than that. When my cousin had a motorbike vs car crash, the 
>police went to visit my aunt to get some details like his age, how long 
>he'd been riding, etc. She explained that he was 40, he'd been riding 
>since he was 17, he was a bike instructor and he did blood deliveries on 
>occasion. Their demeanour changed rapidly and the next comment was 
>"well, see, it was a Beemer...". That was at least 15 years ago.

I guess folk need a stereotype of some sort to apportion blame in
the absence of full info. Ages ago, a mate of mine was out on his bike and 
was run over and killed by a car. I told this to my mother, who immediately 
said "well, they're damned dangerous, motorbikes..." When I mentioned it had 
been a push-bike, her impression of culpability shifted instantly. I think
the actual circumstance was part-and-part - the car was going too fast
and in the wrong place, my friend was paying less attention than he 
should have been 'cos he was on a time trial, head down, going for it.

Carl LHS Williams  wrote:

> Amethyst Deceiver   wrote:
>
> >Longer ago than that. When my cousin had a motorbike vs car crash, the 
> >police went to visit my aunt to get some details like his age, how long 
> >he'd been riding, etc. She explained that he was 40, he'd been riding 
> >since he was 17, he was a bike instructor and he did blood deliveries on 
> >occasion. Their demeanour changed rapidly and the next comment was 
> >"well, see, it was a Beemer...". That was at least 15 years ago.
> 
> I guess folk need a stereotype of some sort to apportion blame in
> the absence of full info.

That, TAAW; but also to cut down on the effort of going after every
possibility. If there's a crash between a Beemer and a Peugeot, you
check the speed of the Beemer first. It saves you having to check twice
more often than not, because let's be honest, there's stereotypes and
there's stereotypes, but when I'm being tailgated, chances _are_ more
than statistically warranted that it's either a Trezna plate or a Trezna
make of car - more specifically, a Beemer, Merc, or (most likely) a VW.
(OTOH, I don't understand the stereotype of that nature that seems to
exist in the UK about Volvos. They don't behave like that in my country.
At least, less so than average.)

Richard

The message 
from rlb@hoekstra-uitgeverij.nl (Richard Bos) contains these words:

> but when I'm being tailgated, chances _are_ more
> than statistically warranted that it's either a Trezna plate or a Trezna
> make of car - more specifically, a Beemer,

I've been keeping watch lately and round here it appears to be women in
their early 20s who tailgate me.

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Guy King  wrote:

> from rlb@hoekstra-uitgeverij.nl (Richard Bos) contains these words:
> 
> > but when I'm being tailgated, chances _are_ more
> > than statistically warranted that it's either a Trezna plate or a Trezna
> > make of car - more specifically, a Beemer,
> 
> I've been keeping watch lately and round here it appears to be women in
> their early 20s who tailgate me.

Fnar, fnar.

For me it's partly overconfident youths (more male than female), but
mostly what I must presume to be traveling businessmen with an
aggressive big-city attitude.

Richard

In uk.rec.sheds,  (Richard Bos) wrote in
::

>Carl LHS Williams  wrote:
>
>> Amethyst Deceiver   wrote:
>>
>> >Longer ago than that. When my cousin had a motorbike vs car crash, the 
>> >police went to visit my aunt to get some details like his age, how long 
>> >he'd been riding, etc. She explained that he was 40, he'd been riding 
>> >since he was 17, he was a bike instructor and he did blood deliveries on 
>> >occasion. Their demeanour changed rapidly and the next comment was 
>> >"well, see, it was a Beemer...". That was at least 15 years ago.
>> 
>> I guess folk need a stereotype of some sort to apportion blame in
>> the absence of full info.
>
>That, TAAW; but also to cut down on the effort of going after every
>possibility. If there's a crash between a Beemer and a Peugeot, you
>check the speed of the Beemer first. It saves you having to check twice
>more often than not, because let's be honest, there's stereotypes and
>there's stereotypes, but when I'm being tailgated, chances _are_ more
>than statistically warranted that it's either a Trezna plate or a Trezna
>make of car - more specifically, a Beemer, Merc, or (most likely) a VW.
>(OTOH, I don't understand the stereotype of that nature that seems to
>exist in the UK about Volvos. They don't behave like that in my country.
>At least, less so than average.)

Volvos here are the natural home of worried but rather inattentive
drivers.  Obviously, there are exceptions, but I learned as a biker to
treat them as though they might suddenly go in any direction, including
backwards, with no warning.

It's a bad combination- robust and often rather heavy car, piloted by
someone thinking about something else, or giving their full attention to
the passenger.
-- 
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On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 12:58:57 +0100, Guy King 
wrote and included this (or some of this):

>The message 
>from rlb@hoekstra-uitgeverij.nl (Richard Bos) contains these words:
>
>> but when I'm being tailgated, chances _are_ more
>> than statistically warranted that it's either a Trezna plate or a Trezna
>> make of car - more specifically, a Beemer,
>
>I've been keeping watch lately and round here it appears to be women in
>their early 20s who tailgate me.

They're Bruce Willis fans?


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from ®óñ©  ©  ²°¹°-°²  contains these words:

> >I've been keeping watch lately and round here it appears to be women in
> >their early 20s who tailgate me.

> They're Bruce Willis fans?

Whoosh?

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"Guy King"  wrote in message
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| The message 
| from rlb@hoekstra-uitgeverij.nl (Richard Bos) contains these words:
|
| > but when I'm being tailgated, chances _are_ more
| > than statistically warranted that it's either a Trezna plate or a
Trezna
| > make of car - more specifically, a Beemer,
|
| I've been keeping watch lately and round here it appears to be women
in
| their early 20s who tailgate me.


I've noticed some young females tailgate.

Including the one who drove into my tail when I slowed for oncoming
traffic.  I saw her coming at me and tried to drive forward but she had
less awareness of what was in front of her that I had of what was
behind.

The police, and I, were magnanimous in not going for prosecution on the
basis that she would have learnt a lesson.
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| ...but when I'm being tailgated, chances _are_ more
| than statistically warranted that it's either a Trezna plate or a
Trezna
| make of car - more specifically, a Beemer, Merc, or (most likely) a
VW.


Whenever I see some daft driving here in the UK, chances are it's a VW.
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Znep  wrote:

> In uk.rec.sheds,  (Richard Bos) wrote in
> 
> >That, TAAW; but also to cut down on the effort of going after every
> >possibility. If there's a crash between a Beemer and a Peugeot, you
> >check the speed of the Beemer first. It saves you having to check twice
> >more often than not, because let's be honest, there's stereotypes and
> >there's stereotypes, but when I'm being tailgated, chances _are_ more
> >than statistically warranted that it's either a Trezna plate or a Trezna
> >make of car - more specifically, a Beemer, Merc, or (most likely) a VW.
> >(OTOH, I don't understand the stereotype of that nature that seems to
> >exist in the UK about Volvos. They don't behave like that in my country.
> >At least, less so than average.)
> 
> Volvos here are the natural home of worried but rather inattentive
> drivers.  

Thobut, surely such drivers wouldn't tailgate but be tailgated?

Surprise: this morning, I was tailgated by a Renault. That's something
that doesn't happen every day.

Richard

In uk.rec.sheds,  (Richard Bos) wrote in
::

>Znep  wrote:
>
>> In uk.rec.sheds,  (Richard Bos) wrote in
>> 
>> >That, TAAW; but also to cut down on the effort of going after every
>> >possibility. If there's a crash between a Beemer and a Peugeot, you
>> >check the speed of the Beemer first. It saves you having to check twice
>> >more often than not, because let's be honest, there's stereotypes and
>> >there's stereotypes, but when I'm being tailgated, chances _are_ more
>> >than statistically warranted that it's either a Trezna plate or a Trezna
>> >make of car - more specifically, a Beemer, Merc, or (most likely) a VW.
>> >(OTOH, I don't understand the stereotype of that nature that seems to
>> >exist in the UK about Volvos. They don't behave like that in my country.
>> >At least, less so than average.)
>> 
>> Volvos here are the natural home of worried but rather inattentive
>> drivers.  
>
>Thobut, surely such drivers wouldn't tailgate but be tailgated?

"Inattentive" cuts both ways.

My BiL used to have a Volvo as a company car- he's not the worried type
(in fact, IMO not nearly worried enough) but he is one of those drivers
who "drive to target" - if there's nothing in front of him, he speeds up
until there is, and then sits on its arse.  It's surprisingly common,
and I think it's some form of insecurity- a sort of automotive fear of
open spaces.  Such drivers like to have someone else to set the pace.
>
>Surprise: this morning, I was tailgated by a Renault. That's something
>that doesn't happen every day.

Hmm. He used to have a Renault, too.  Currently drives a Passat.
-- 
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The message 
from rlb@hoekstra-uitgeverij.nl (Richard Bos) contains these words:

> Surprise: this morning, I was tailgated by a Renault. That's something
> that doesn't happen every day.

Perhaps Renaults are so insignificant that you just don't notice them
mais-alors.

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The message 
from Znep  contains these words:

> My BiL used to have a Volvo as a company car- he's not the worried type
> (in fact, IMO not nearly worried enough) but he is one of those drivers
> who "drive to target" - if there's nothing in front of him, he speeds up
> until there is, and then sits on its arse.  It's surprisingly common,
> and I think it's some form of insecurity- a sort of automotive fear of
> open spaces.  Such drivers like to have someone else to set the pace.
> >
> >Surprise: this morning, I was tailgated by a Renault. That's something
> >that doesn't happen every day.

> Hmm. He used to have a Renault, too.  Currently drives a Passat.

Or non-passat?

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Rusty Hinge 2  wrote:

> from rlb@hoekstra-uitgeverij.nl (Richard Bos) contains these words:
> 
> > Surprise: this morning, I was tailgated by a Renault. That's something
> > that doesn't happen every day.
> 
> Perhaps Renaults are so insignificant that you just don't notice them
> mais-alors.

Not really. Renaults and Peugeots are not _very_ common over here, but
they're hardly rare. Tailgating ones, thobut, are much rarer than
tailgating Beemers, even relatively speaking. In fact, I wouldn't be
sure that Beemers are more common than Renaults. Volkswagens, yes,
they're common as the plebs. But not Beemers.
Oh, and another observation: Vgnyvna cars are either Fiats, who don't
usually tailgate because their drivers are like those of French cars; or
Ferraris and other supercars, whose drivers do drive like maniacs but
tend to be a bit too careful of their prized and pricy possession to do
so within two yards of another automobile; and Alfa nutters. _Every_
Alfa driver, apparently, is a nutter. I've never seen one driven sanely.
Not once.

Richard

Richard Robinson  wrote:

> Having Opin!ons about other peoples' driving is a futile passtime.

IRTA "fertile". BTW, have you noticed all the boodly cluleless
switched-off drivers there are out there these fine days?

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Sn!pe said:
> Richard Robinson  wrote:
>
>> Having Opin!ons about other peoples' driving is a futile passtime.
>
> IRTA "fertile". BTW, have you noticed all the boodly cluleless
> switched-off drivers there are out there these fine days?

Perhaps people drive in the same way as they walk ? ie, approx 2 out of 3
(my guess) have No Clue where they are, what they're doing or what's around
them; and the remaining 1 in 3 has an increasingly hard wbo keeping out of
their way.


-- 
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The message 
from Znep  contains these words:


> My BiL used to have a Volvo as a company car- he's not the worried type
> (in fact, IMO not nearly worried enough) but he is one of those drivers
> who "drive to target" - if there's nothing in front of him, he speeds up
> until there is, and then sits on its arse.

Cor -it's even got its own Wiki page!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tailgating

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wrote:

>      Guy King  wrote:
> 
> > Cor -it's even got its own Wiki page!
> > 
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tailgating
> > 
> So you should slow down and move to the *outside* lane?

Yes, so the tailgater can pass you by squeezing himself between you and
the two trucks to the side, with half a metre to spare. At what must
have ended up at about 90 mph, when the trucks were going the regulated
50 and I the regulated 75.

Richard

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from  contains these words:

> So you should slow down and move to the *outside* lane?

Inside/outside lane is always confusing. Yes, the outside lane is the
one nearest the outside of the road - in the UK the lane furthest to the
left.

Best to stick to other ways of describing it.

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On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 13:25:58 +0100, Guy King 
wrote and included this (or some of this):

>
>> So you should slow down and move to the *outside* lane?
>
>Inside/outside lane is always confusing. Yes, the outside lane is the
>one nearest the outside of the road - in the UK the lane furthest to the
>left.

Pardon?

Are you the only one who thinks this?

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from ®óñ©  ©  ²°¹°-°²  contains these words:

> >Inside/outside lane is always confusing. Yes, the outside lane is the
> >one nearest the outside of the road - in the UK the lane furthest to the
> >left.

> Pardon?

> Are you the only one who thinks this?

You try teaching learners who've never heard the phrase "Outside lane".
Tell them to move to the ouside lane and you can be relatively certian
they'll move to the lane on the outside of the road - the left.

Personally, I call the lane furthest to the right the outside lane, but
many non-drivers wouldn't. And quite a lot of people driving cars these
days would best be described as non-drivers.

You'll find the dibbles avoid using the term, as do the people on the
end of motorway emergency phones, because they're aware of how confusing
it can be.

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Guy King  wrote in news:313030303432373948EE0AA289
@zetnet.co.uk:

> You'll find the dibbles avoid using the term, as do the people on the
> end of motorway emergency phones, because they're aware of how confusing
> it can be.

They tend to use lane numbers do they not? Makes more sense, but it can be 
a bit awkward at some junctions where, for example, 3 lanes become 5 for 
half a mile, then become 4 then 3 again. If you stick in the same lane does 
the number change?

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guy.king@zetnet.co.uk said...
> The message <4FEB8B22C6%brian13434@lycos.co.uk>
> from  contains these words:
> 
> > So you should slow down and move to the *outside* lane?
> 
> Inside/outside lane is always confusing. Yes, the outside lane is the
> one nearest the outside of the road - in the UK the lane furthest to the
> left.

Eh?  And you a driving instructor?

-- 
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guy.king@zetnet.co.uk said...
> The message 
> from ®óñ©  ©  ²°¹°-°²  contains these words:
> 
> > >Inside/outside lane is always confusing. Yes, the outside lane is the
> > >one nearest the outside of the road - in the UK the lane furthest to the
> > >left.
> 
> > Pardon?
> 
> > Are you the only one who thinks this?
> 
> You try teaching learners who've never heard the phrase "Outside lane".
> Tell them to move to the ouside lane and you can be relatively certian
> they'll move to the lane on the outside of the road - the left.

Eh?  Since when?  I've never known anyone think that the outside lane is 
the inside one.
 
> Personally, I call the lane furthest to the right the outside lane, but
> many non-drivers wouldn't. And quite a lot of people driving cars these
> days would best be described as non-drivers.

Sorry, I can't go along with that.  Even those who don't drive can 
generally be relied on to know t'other from which.
 
> You'll find the dibbles avoid using the term, as do the people on the
> end of motorway emergency phones, because they're aware of how confusing
> it can be.
> 
It's not at all confusing.  Anyone who seriously gets confused over 
things like that is... no sorry, words fail.

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from Sena  contains these words:

> Sorry, I can't go along with that.  Even those who don't drive can 
> generally be relied on to know t'other from which.

I've just drawn a motorway and shoved it at Inky and asked which is the
outside lane - he pointed to the leftmost.

Really, you may know it, but lots of foreigners and learners get it very
muddled up.

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guy.king@zetnet.co.uk said...
> The message 
> from Sena  contains these words:
> 
> > It's not at all confusing.  Anyone who seriously gets confused over 
> > things like that is... no sorry, words fail.
> 
> But it's arse about face. The "outside" is the one nearer the central
> reservation, the inside is the one nearer the outside of the motorway.
> 
What's "the outside of the motorway"?  I really don't understand what 
you're saying and I've never heard that expression before.  As for Inky 
getting it wrong - he's 11, and got a very confused dad.  What did you 
expect?

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Snippetry..

> What's "the outside of the motorway"?  I really don't understand what 
> you're saying and I've never heard that expression before. 

The outside of the motorway is the bit that's not inside innit.. the 
outside of a house is the bit that's in the garden, therefore the 
outside of the motorway starts at the verge and heads off into the 
fields..

You'd no doubt be surprised about the number of people who get confused 
over the offside and nearside of a vehicle too.. 

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The message 
from Sena  contains these words:

> What's "the outside of the motorway"?  I really don't understand what 
> you're saying and I've never heard that expression before.  As for Inky 
> getting it wrong - he's 11, and got a very confused dad.  What did you 
> expect?

Outside the motorway is all the bits of world that isn't motorway, of
course. Beyond the inside lane and furthest from the outside lane.

Really, this caused a lot of trouble with learners and it's why the
dibbles use Lane 1, Lane 2 etc.

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from Gid Holyoake  contains these words:

> You'd no doubt be surprised about the number of people who get confused 
> over the offside and nearside of a vehicle too.. 

Oh yes! Never tell a learner to move towards the nearside as you
approach an oncoming car. They'll be convinced you want them to move
nearer to the vehicle they're worried about being near.

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from Guy King  contains these words:
> The message <4FEB8B22C6%brian13434@lycos.co.uk>
> from  contains these words:

> > So you should slow down and move to the *outside* lane?

> Inside/outside lane is always confusing. Yes, the outside lane is the
> one nearest the outside of the road - in the UK the lane furthest to the
> left.

?

> Best to stick to other ways of describing it.

I concur. AFAIAC the outside lane is the one furthest to the right.

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The message 
from Guy King  contains these words:
> The message 
> from ®óñ©  ©  ²°¹°-°²  contains these words:

> > >Inside/outside lane is always confusing. Yes, the outside lane is the
> > >one nearest the outside of the road - in the UK the lane furthest to the
> > >left.

> > Pardon?

> > Are you the only one who thinks this?

> You try teaching learners who've never heard the phrase "Outside lane".
> Tell them to move to the ouside lane and you can be relatively certian
> they'll move to the lane on the outside of the road - the left.

> Personally, I call the lane furthest to the right the outside lane, but
> many non-drivers wouldn't. And quite a lot of people driving cars these
> days would best be described as non-drivers.

> You'll find the dibbles avoid using the term, as do the people on the
> end of motorway emergency phones, because they're aware of how confusing
> it can be.

It wasn't before, but it is now.

I've never, never heard the left-hand lane referred to as the 'outside lane'.

Ever.

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The message 
from Guy King  contains these words:
> The message 
> from Sena  contains these words:

> > It's not at all confusing.  Anyone who seriously gets confused over 
> > things like that is... no sorry, words fail.

> But it's arse about face. The "outside" is the one nearer the central
> reservation, the inside is the one nearer the outside of the motorway.

I see what you're saying - and I *THINK* we might have had this
conversation before - faint echoes of day jar view are reverberating.

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Rusty Hinge 2 said:
> from Richard Robinson  contains these words:
>> Sn!pe said:
>> > Richard Robinson  wrote:
>> >
>> >> Having Opin!ons about other peoples' driving is a futile passtime.
>> >
>> > IRTA "fertile". BTW, have you noticed all the boodly cluleless
>> > switched-off drivers there are out there these fine days?
>
>> Perhaps people drive in the same way as they walk ? ie, approx 2 out of 3
>> (my guess) have No Clue where they are, what they're doing or what's around
>> them; and the remaining 1 in 3 has an increasingly hard wbo keeping out of
>> their way.
>
> Tell me about it!
>
> Naaardge in the afternoon, and they graze. They wander into your path.
> They stop dead, or veer off at right-angles. Eejits of all ages
> pschycling and skateboarding on the footway. Groups of chatting igst
> blocking the whole (wide) pavement.
>
> Must stop gooving about it.

Wot, no-one charging with a pushchair out of a doorway right in front of you
?

> Sob!


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Guy King  wrote:

> from Sena  contains these words:
> 
> > What's "the outside of the motorway"?  I really don't understand what 
> > you're saying and I've never heard that expression before.  As for Inky 
> > getting it wrong - he's 11, and got a very confused dad.  What did you 
> > expect?
> 
> Outside the motorway is all the bits of world that isn't motorway, of
> course. Beyond the inside lane and furthest from the outside lane.
> 
> Really, this caused a lot of trouble with learners and it's why the
> dibbles use Lane 1, Lane 2 etc.

It's also backwards - the outside lane being on the inside? Really, I
know you Limeys like to mess about with your language, but this isn't a
funny tradition, this is willful perversity.
IMO, anyhoo, the best idea is to call them "fast lane" and "slow lane".

Richard

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> On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 13:25:58 +0100, Guy King 
> wrote and included this (or some of this):
>
>>
>>> So you should slow down and move to the *outside* lane?
>>
>>Inside/outside lane is always confusing. Yes, the outside lane is the
>>one nearest the outside of the road - in the UK the lane furthest to the
>>left.
>
> Pardon?
>
> Are you the only one who thinks this?
>
I have met a few others but not many thankfully.

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Richard Bos wrote:

> It's also backwards - the outside lane being on the inside? Really, I
> know you Limeys like to mess about with your language, but this isn't a
> funny tradition, this is willful perversity.

I don't think it's at all common to call the lefthand land the outside 
lane, though I can see the point of using different terms to avoid 
potential confusion.

> IMO, anyhoo, the best idea is to call them "fast lane" and "slow lane".

And "middle land"? And where there're four or more?

Andy Burns  wrote:

> Richard Bos wrote:
> 
> > IMO, anyhoo, the best idea is to call them "fast lane" and "slow lane".
> 
> And "middle land"? And where there're four or more?

That's no different with "fast" and "slow" than with "inside" and
"outside".

Richard

In news:313030303230303848EE91CD46@gruel.invalid.co.uk,
Rusty Hinge 2  tweaked the Babbage-Engine 
to tell us:

> Naaardge in the afternoon, and they graze. They wander into your path.
> They stop dead, or veer off at right-angles. Eejits of all ages
> pschycling and skateboarding on the footway. Groups of chatting igst
> blocking the whole (wide) pavement.

#Down in the High Street somebody careered out of Boots without due care or 
attention
#I suggest that they learn some pedestrian etiquette
#i.e sidle out of the store gingerly
#Embrace the margin

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"Rusty Hinge 2"  wrote in message 
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> The message 
> from Guy King  contains these words:
>> The message <4FEB8B22C6%brian13434@lycos.co.uk>
>> from  contains these words:
>
>> > So you should slow down and move to the *outside* lane?
>
>> Inside/outside lane is always confusing. Yes, the outside lane is the
>> one nearest the outside of the road - in the UK the lane furthest to the
>> left.
>
> ?
>
>> Best to stick to other ways of describing it.
>
> I concur. AFAIAC the outside lane is the one furthest to the right.
>
Indeed it is, you "pull out" to overtake and should pull back in after 
innit?


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"Dave Larrington"  wrote:

> In news:313030303230303848EE91CD46@gruel.invalid.co.uk,
> Rusty Hinge 2  tweaked the Babbage-Engine 
> to tell us:
> 
> > Naaardge in the afternoon, and they graze. They wander into your path.
> > They stop dead, or veer off at right-angles. Eejits of all ages
> > pschycling and skateboarding on the footway. Groups of chatting igst
> > blocking the whole (wide) pavement.
> 
> #Down in the High Street somebody careered out of Boots without due care or 
> attention
> #I suggest that they learn some pedestrian etiquette
> #i.e sidle out of the store gingerly

Thobut, that's only the usual etiquette when exiting a chemist's, nudge
nudge, something for the weekend, sir, not when exiting a butcher or
baker (or, indeed, a candlestick maker - actually, I've never seen one
of them having a shop all for himself).

Richard

Guy King  wrote:

> Outside the motorway is all the bits of world that isn't motorway, of
> course. Beyond the inside lane and furthest from the outside lane.
> 
> Really, this caused a lot of trouble with learners and it's why the
> dibbles use Lane 1, Lane 2 etc.

Damned revisionist running-dogs; outside is the side of the road that
you have to get further out into the road to reach; converselywise you
pull in to the kerb, hence the lane adjacent to the kerb is the inside
lane. I don't give tuppence for all these Johnnie Forners and
wet-behind-the-ears Yoofers who haven't been taught properly, I thimk
it's totally out of order to reverse the accepted meaning of the phrase
without so much as a by your leave, pshaw.

                                         -- Incensed, Tunbridge Wells.

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Znep  wrote:

> It's language.  Logic is not part of the design criteria.  Why does "fat
> chance" mean the same as "slim chance"?  

Sarcasm, but is sarcasm illogical? I would have thought not.

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Costing the net hundreds if not thousands of dollars, Steve O'Hara-Smith 
said:
> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:25:01 GMT
> rlb@hoekstra-uitgeverij.nl (Richard Bos) wrote:
> 
> > Thobut, that's only the usual etiquette when exiting a chemist's, nudge
> > nudge, something for the weekend, sir,
> 
> 	That's out of date viz:
> 
> 1950s - <loud>20 Woodbines please <whisper> and a packet of condoms.
> 
> 2000s - <loud>A packet of condoms please <whisper> and 20 Silk Cut.
> 
> 
1972: 20 Bensons, a pack of Rizla blue, and a large bar of Dairy Milk
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Carlton Miniott said:
>> 
>> 1950s - <loud>20 Woodbines please <whisper> and a packet of condoms.
>> 2000s - <loud>A packet of condoms please <whisper> and 20 Silk Cut.
>> 
> 1972: 20 Bensons, a pack of Rizla blue, and a large bar of Dairy Milk

Gold Leaf. Much less dry-flakes than most.

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usenet.oct2008@adslpipe.co.uk said...
> 
> > It's also backwards - the outside lane being on the inside? Really, I
> > know you Limeys like to mess about with your language, but this isn't a
> > funny tradition, this is willful perversity.
> 
> I don't think it's at all common to call the lefthand land the outside 
> lane,
> 
It's not. The lefthand lane is the nearside or inside. It's never known 
as the outside.
-- 
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The message <1iolhjb.snugr21ebq074N%snipe@spambin.fsnet.co.uk>
from snipe@spambin.fsnet.co.uk (Sn!pe) contains these words:
> Znep  wrote:

> > It's language.  Logic is not part of the design criteria.  Why does "fat
> > chance" mean the same as "slim chance"?  

> Sarcasm, but is sarcasm illogical? I would have thought not.

Irony, rather...

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In article ,
Sena  wrote:

>guy.king@zetnet.co.uk said...
>> The message 
>> from ®óñ©  ©  ²°¹°-°²  contains these words:
>> 
>> > >Inside/outside lane is always confusing. Yes, the outside lane is the
>> > >one nearest the outside of the road - in the UK the lane furthest to the
>> > >left.
>> 
>> > Pardon?
>> 
>> > Are you the only one who thinks this?
>> 
>> You try teaching learners who've never heard the phrase "Outside lane".
>> Tell them to move to the ouside lane and you can be relatively certian
>> they'll move to the lane on the outside of the road - the left.
>
>Eh?  Since when?  I've never known anyone think that the outside lane is 
>the inside one.
> 
>> Personally, I call the lane furthest to the right the outside lane, but
>> many non-drivers wouldn't. And quite a lot of people driving cars these
>> days would best be described as non-drivers.
>
>Sorry, I can't go along with that.  Even those who don't drive can 
>generally be relied on to know t'other from which.

Probably better just to call them the "Fast lane", the "Middle Lane", the
"Slow Lane" and the "Hard Shoulder".

Or, as the Department of Transport would now have it; the "Fast lane", the
"Middle Lane", the "Slow Lane" and the "Let's not lose votes by encouraging
people to get out of their cars once in a while, instead let's put normal
traffic on the left-most lane because then everyone will be happy and happy
people don't crash and need emergency access, and even if they do we have
these helicopter amulance things now, and maybe Thunderbird Two can come
*whoosh* down and save everyone, and I'm now resigning my cabinet post to
spend more time with my directorships and lobbying for motorist interest
groups, thankyou."

Cat.

Sn!pe wrote:
> Znep  wrote:
> 
>> It's language.  Logic is not part of the design criteria.  Why does "fat
>> chance" mean the same as "slim chance"?  
> 
> Sarcasm, but is sarcasm illogical? I would have thought not.
> 
Sure.

Carl LHS Williams  wrote:

[offside/nearside]

> However, as guy is an ex driving instructor, I'm inclined to take his
> word for it that people who perhaps haven't
> been brought up with driving as a major part of their life might 
> interpret these things in a more literally geometrical fashion.

In that case they should be taught the proper traditional usage 
as part of their driving instruction; surely other driving-related
terminology is. IMO it's utterly unreasonable to expect the majority 
of drivers to reverse their usage of those words just because the 
new drivers haven't been taught the correct meanings. So what if 
it's counter-intuitive for some? Teach 'em a mnemonic, ffs.

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Esra Sdrawkcab  wrote:

> >> It's language.  Logic is not part of the design criteria.  Why does "fat
> >> chance" mean the same as "slim chance"?  
> > 
> > Sarcasm, but is sarcasm illogical? I would have thought not.
> > 
> Sure.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Carl LHS Williams  wrote:

> >They should do what some other countries do- build the inside lane with
> >the smoothest surface money can buy, and cover the overtaking lane(s)
> >with whatever old tat they happen to have in the shed.  That should have
> >a salutary effect on lane discipline.
> 
> Hmm, mebbe. In Arj Zealand, lane discipline seems to be pretty well
> observed, from my experience, to the extent that drivers frequently
> take to the *gravel* shoulder, to let faster vehicles pass on the
> tarmac.

In Sith Effrica TAAAW

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Carlton Miniott  wrote:

> 1972: 20 Bensons, a pack of Rizla blue, and a large bar of Dairy Milk

Giant Mars Bar, yoofer.

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Richard Robinson  wrote:

> >> 1950s - <loud>20 Woodbines please <whisper> and a packet of condoms.
> >> 2000s - <loud>A packet of condoms please <whisper> and 20 Silk Cut.
> >> 
> > 1972: 20 Bensons, a pack of Rizla blue, and a large bar of Dairy Milk
> 
> Gold Leaf. Much less dry-flakes than most.

Senior Service or Player's Plain: being plain cigs they had far better
tobacco and more of it; no blown filter to dispose of NTAW.

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Sn!pe wrote:

She loves you

> Yeah, yeah, yeah.


-- 
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British."

The message <1ionfn8.u3hz9l1jwvp9sN%snipe@spambin.fsnet.co.uk>
from snipe@spambin.fsnet.co.uk (Sn!pe) contains these words:

> In that case they should be taught the proper traditional usage 
> as part of their driving instruction; surely other driving-related
> terminology is. 

They are, but you may have noticed that not all drivers have perfect
recall of everything they're taught.

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The message <1iong2y.ik9ki7pt6zo9N%snipe@spambin.fsnet.co.uk>
from snipe@spambin.fsnet.co.uk (Sn!pe) contains these words:

> > Sure.

> Yeah, yeah, yeah.

"A double negative is a positive."
"Yeah, right."

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coj  wrote:

> Sn!pe wrote:
> 
> She loves you
> 
> > Yeah, yeah, yeah.

With a love like that, you know it can't be bad.

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®óñ© © "°'°-°"  wrote:

> >> > 1972: 20 Bensons, a pack of Rizla blue, and a large bar of Dairy Milk
> >> 
> >> Gold Leaf. Much less dry-flakes than most.
> >
> >Senior Service or Player's Plain: being plain cigs they had far better
> >tobacco and more of it; no blown filter to dispose of NTAW.
> 
> Woodbines (in a packet of two fags)

But did you inhale?

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Sn!pe wrote:
> coj  wrote:
> 
>> Sn!pe wrote:
>>
>> She loves you
>>
>>> Yeah, yeah, yeah.
> 
> With a love like that, you know it can't be bad.

OOoooohhhh !!!

The Irish version : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVr0yTyIPLI
The German version : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3iY6rpHjfA

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British."

The Stainless Steel Cat wrote:

> Or, as the Department of Transport would now have it; the "Fast lane", the
> "Middle Lane", the "Slow Lane" and the "Let's not lose votes by encouraging
> people to get out of their cars once in a while, instead let's put normal
> traffic on the left-most lane because then everyone will be happy and happy
> people don't crash and need emergency access, and even if they do we have
> these helicopter amulance things now, and maybe Thunderbird Two can come
> *whoosh* down and save everyone, and I'm now resigning my cabinet post to
> spend more time with my directorships and lobbying for motorist interest
> groups, thankyou."

"...to spend more time with my quids."

-- 
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and your hand over my mouth"

Sn!pe wrote:
> coj  wrote:
> 
>> Sn!pe wrote:
>>
>> She loves you
>>
>>> Yeah, yeah, yeah.
> 
> With a love like that, you know it can't be bad.
> 
but which version by Peter Sellers is the better?

coj wrote:
> Sn!pe wrote:
>> coj  wrote:
>>
>>> Sn!pe wrote:
>>>
>>> She loves you
>>>
>>>> Yeah, yeah, yeah.
>>
>> With a love like that, you know it can't be bad.
> 
> OOoooohhhh !!!
> 
> The Irish version : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVr0yTyIPLI
> The German version : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3iY6rpHjfA
> 
sellersrays!

Costing the net hundreds if not thousands of dollars, Guy King said:
> The message <1iong2y.ik9ki7pt6zo9N%snipe@spambin.fsnet.co.uk>
> from snipe@spambin.fsnet.co.uk (Sn!pe) contains these words:
> 
> > > Sure.
> 
> > Yeah, yeah, yeah.
> 
> "A double negative is a positive."
> "Yeah, right."
> 
No no,
that's a double positive being a negative.

Drives mathematicians mad.
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Costing the net hundreds if not thousands of dollars, Sn!pe said:
> Carlton Miniott  wrote:
> 
> > 1972: 20 Bensons, a pack of Rizla blue, and a large bar of Dairy Milk
> 
> Giant Mars Bar, yoofer.
> 
There were only standard Mars bars in 72.
Mind you they were bigger, like wagon wheels.
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Carlton Miniott said:
> Costing the net hundreds if not thousands of dollars, Guy King said:
>> from snipe@spambin.fsnet.co.uk (Sn!pe) contains these words:
>> 
>> > > Sure.
>> 
>> > Yeah, yeah, yeah.
>> 
>> "A double negative is a positive."
>> "Yeah, right."
>> 
> No no,
> that's a double positive being a negative.
>
> Drives mathematicians mad.

laughter

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The message <1iongc4.a1ocd21e92s81N%snipe@spambin.fsnet.co.uk>
from snipe@spambin.fsnet.co.uk (Sn!pe) contains these words:
> Carlton Miniott  wrote:

> > 1972: 20 Bensons, a pack of Rizla blue, and a large bar of Dairy Milk

> Giant Mars Bar, yoofer.

<weans>

Battered and fried.

</weans>

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from Esra Sdrawkcab  contains these words:

> sellersrays!

radishes!

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The message 
from Guy King  contains these words:
> The message <1iong2y.ik9ki7pt6zo9N%snipe@spambin.fsnet.co.uk>
> from snipe@spambin.fsnet.co.uk (Sn!pe) contains these words:

> > > Sure.

> > Yeah, yeah, yeah.

> "A double negative is a positive."
> "Yeah, right."

ITYF it was said in a lecher that "...a double positive never makes a
negative."

"Yeah, right." commented a student.

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The message 
from Rusty Hinge 2  contains these words:

> > "A double negative is a positive."
> > "Yeah, right."

> ITYF it was said in a lecher that "...a double positive never makes a
> negative."

> "Yeah, right." commented a student.

Yeah, I know, I muffed it.

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davebudd@ukmisc.org.uk said...
> Costing the net hundreds if not thousands of dollars, Sn!pe said:
> > Carlton Miniott  wrote:
> > 
> > > 1972: 20 Bensons, a pack of Rizla blue, and a large bar of Dairy Milk
> > 
> > Giant Mars Bar, yoofer.
> > 
> There were only standard Mars bars in 72.
> Mind you they were bigger, like wagon wheels.
> 
No, wagon wheels were round.
-- 
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Carlton Miniott  wrote:

> > > 1972: 20 Bensons, a pack of Rizla blue, and a large bar of Dairy Milk
> > 
> > Giant Mars Bar, yoofer.
> > 
> There were only standard Mars bars in 72.
> Mind you they were bigger, like wagon wheels.

Two Mars Bars then. You're right about the Wagon Wheels, 
they were brill; I tried a modern one a few years ago but it 
was utterly cat's raes and tiny with it.

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The message 
from Carlton Miniott  contains these words:
> Costing the net hundreds if not thousands of dollars, Sn!pe said:
> > Carlton Miniott  wrote:
> > 
> > > 1972: 20 Bensons, a pack of Rizla blue, and a large bar of Dairy Milk
> > 
> > Giant Mars Bar, yoofer.
> > 
> There were only standard Mars bars in 72.
> Mind you they were bigger, like wagon wheels.

Mars bars were like wagon wheels?

Must be before my thyme, as even when they were 1½d they were still Ma's
Bra shaped.

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The message 
from Guy King  contains these words:
> The message 
> from Rusty Hinge 2  contains these words:

> > > "A double negative is a positive."
> > > "Yeah, right."

> > ITYF it was said in a lecher that "...a double positive never makes a
> > negative."

> > "Yeah, right." commented a student.

> Yeah, I know, I muffed it.

Fnaaaar!

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The message 
from Sena  contains these words:
> davebudd@ukmisc.org.uk said...
> > Costing the net hundreds if not thousands of dollars, Sn!pe said:
> > > Carlton Miniott  wrote:
> > > 
> > > > 1972: 20 Bensons, a pack of Rizla blue, and a large bar of Dairy Milk
> > > 
> > > Giant Mars Bar, yoofer.
> > > 
> > There were only standard Mars bars in 72.
> > Mind you they were bigger, like wagon wheels.
> > 
> No, wagon wheels were round.

Wheelrays!

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from Sena  contains these words:

> It's not at all confusing.  Anyone who seriously gets confused over 
> things like that is... no sorry, words fail.

But it's arse about face. The "outside" is the one nearer the central
reservation, the inside is the one nearer the outside of the motorway.

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