I had my pet dog microchipped to allow us to take her in and out of
the UK without going into quarantine. But now we are not going to take
her out of the UK again, and I would like the chip removed. I have
rung a couple of vets who are unwilling to do the job. How easy is it
to find a vet who is willing? (I've heard that you can just squeeze
them out, but I do not feel competent to do this).

Thanks!

John

In message 
, 
John Nagelson  writes
>I had my pet dog microchipped to allow us to take her in and out of
>the UK without going into quarantine. But now we are not going to take
>her out of the UK again, and I would like the chip removed.

Best to leave it alone. It's not doing any harm. Might be useful if the 
dog's lost, stolen or killed -- provided you've kept the chip's data 
up-to-data.

-- 
James Follett. Novelist. (G1LXP) http://www.jamesfollett.dswilliams.co.uk
http://www.pbase.com/jamesfollett

On Jul 20, 11:38 am, JF  wrote:
> In message
> ,

> John Nagelson  writes
>
> >I had my petdogmicrochipped to allow us to take her in and out of
> >the UK without going into quarantine. But now we are not going to take
> >her out of the UK again, and I would like the chip removed.
>
> Best to leave it alone. It's not doing any harm. Might be useful if the dog's lost,
> stolen or killed -- provided you've kept the chip's data up-to-data.

I wasn't trying to start that debate. The decision's been taken. Just
wondered whether anyone could advise on how to find a vet willing to
remove it.

Regards,

John

>"John Nagelson"  wrote
>On Jul 20, 11:38 am, JF  wrote:
>> John Nagelson  writes
>>
>> >I had my petdogmicrochipped to allow us to take her in and out of
>> >the UK without going into quarantine. But now we are not going to take
>> >her out of the UK again, and I would like the chip removed.
>>
>> Best to leave it alone. It's not doing any harm. Might be useful if the 
>> dog's lost,
>> stolen or killed -- provided you've kept the chip's data up-to-data.
>
>I wasn't trying to start that debate. The decision's been taken. Just
>wondered whether anyone could advise on how to find a vet willing to
>remove it.

I think its highly unlikely you'll find an ethical vet who will perform this 
procedure.

May I ask why you want it removed...?

Have to confess, sounds very dodgy to me?

On Jul 22, 3:57 pm, "caroline"  wrote:
> >"John Nagelson"  wrote
> >On Jul 20, 11:38 am, JF  wrote:
> >> John Nagelson  writes
>
> >> >I had my petdogmicrochipped to allow us to take her in and out of
> >> >the UK without going into quarantine. But now we are not going to take
> >> >her out of the UK again, and I would like the chip removed.
>
> >> Best to leave it alone. It's not doing any harm. Might be useful if the
> >>dog'slost,
> >> stolen or killed -- provided you've kept the chip's data up-to-data.
>
> >I wasn't trying to start that debate. The decision's been taken. Just
> >wondered whether anyone could advise on how to find a vet willing to
> >remove it.
>
> I think its highly unlikely you'll find an ethical vet who will perform this
> procedure.
>
> May I ask why you want it removed...?

Well I did say I wasn't trying to start a debate, but yes, you may.
It's because my only reason for putting it in (travel abroad) no
longer exists, and since there is no longer what I consider to be a
good reason, I do not want my pet to continue to be saddled with
having this thing stuck in her.

> Have to confess, sounds very dodgy to me?

Maybe you should meditate on how people who are not like yourself are
not necessarily criminals, before saying in public that you think
something sounds 'dodgy'? I am completely legitimate, and have
everything to prove when I bought my dog, registered my ownership with
the Kennel Club, got her vaccinated, got her passport, etc. An apology
is called for!!

If anyone reading this can help with my original question, I would be
very grateful.

Regards,

Michael

On Jul 22, 3:57 pm, "caroline"  wrote:
> >"John Nagelson"  wrote
> >On Jul 20, 11:38 am, JF  wrote:
> >> John Nagelson  writes
>
> >> >I had my petdogmicrochipped to allow us to take her in and out of
> >> >the UK without going into quarantine. But now we are not going to take
> >> >her out of the UK again, and I would like the chip removed.
>
> >> Best to leave it alone. It's not doing any harm. Might be useful if the
> >> dog's lost,
> >> stolen or killed -- provided you've kept the chip's data up-to-data.
>
> >I wasn't trying to start that debate. The decision's been taken. Just
> >wondered whether anyone could advise on how to find a vet willing to
> >remove it.
>
> I think its highly unlikely you'll find an ethical vet who will perform this
> procedure.
>
> May I ask why you want it removed...?

Well I did say I wasn't trying to start a debate, but yes, you may.
It's because my only reason for putting it in (travel abroad) no
longer exists, and since there is no longer what I consider to be a
good reason, I do not want my pet to continue to be saddled with
having this thing stuck in her.

> Have to confess, sounds very dodgy to me?

Maybe you should meditate on how people who are not like yourself are
not necessarily criminals, before saying in public that you think
something sounds 'dodgy'? I am completely legitimate, and have
everything to prove when I bought my dog, registered my ownership
with
the Kennel Club, got her vaccinated, got her passport, etc. An
apology
is called for!!

If anyone reading this can help with my original question, I would be
very grateful.

Regards,

John

wrote >
>On Jul 22, 3:57 pm, "caroline" wrote:
>> >"John Nagelson" wrote
>> >On Jul 20, 11:38 am, JF wrote:
> >>> John Nagelson  writes
>>
> >> >>I had my petdogmicrochipped to allow us to take her in and out of
> >>> >the UK without going into quarantine. But now we are not going to 
> >>> >take
> >>> >her out of the UK again, and I would like the chip removed.
>>
>> >> Best to leave it alone. It's not doing any harm. Might be useful if 
>> >> the
> >>>dog'slost,
> >>> stolen or killed -- provided you've kept the chip's data up-to-data.
>>
>> >I wasn't trying to start that debate. The decision's been taken. Just
>> >wondered whether anyone could advise on how to find a vet willing to
> >>remove it.
>>
>> I think its highly unlikely you'll find an ethical vet who will perform 
>> this
>> procedure.
>>
>> May I ask why you want it removed...?
>
>Well I did say I wasn't trying to start a debate, but yes, you may.
>It's because my only reason for putting it in (travel abroad) no
>longer exists, and since there is no longer what I consider to be a
>good reason, I do not want my pet to continue to be saddled with
>having this thing stuck in her.

I can promise you that your pet is not *saddled* with this thing. She won't 
even know its there.  All she will know is that when a scanner is passed 
over the top of the shoulder blades it goes beep.  The microchip itself is 
smaller than a grain of rice.  If it has been in place for more than three 
months then, due to the special coating on the microchip itself it will be 
totally embedded in the surrounding muscle.  It is *not* possible to squeeze 
it out, I can promise you that, and to attempt anything like this would be 
tantamount to cruelty, and could cause unecessary pain to your dog.
The 'chip doesn't go off, once its bedded proplery it won't move, it doesn't 
emit anything, its not harmful to your dog in any way.
To remove it surgically is possible, but is quite an ordeal to do, resulting 
in lots of localised damage to the mucsle tissue, as well as potential for 
infection etc etc etc.and surgical removal is only done under extreme 
circumstances, and *only* as a last resort.
I'm sorry, but wanting it surgically removed just because you don't want it 
there anymore is not going to be sufficient for *any* ethical vet to 
undertake this procedure for you.
I realy hope you will rething your 'decicion' to do this.  I personally 
consider it to be unnecessary and unkind.

>> Have to confess, sounds very dodgy to me?
>
>Maybe you should meditate on how people who are not like yourself are
>not necessarily criminals, before saying in public that you think
>something sounds 'dodgy'? I am completely legitimate, and have
>everything to prove when I bought my dog, registered my ownership with
>the Kennel Club, got her vaccinated, got her passport, etc. An apology
>is called for!!

Well, I'm afraid I won't be apologising any time soon.
I'm a qualified microchipper/implanter.  I 'chip on average 20-60 dogs, per 
month, for private owners and for local rescue organisations. Primarily its 
done for security, so that lost/stolen dogs can be returned to their owners 
with minimal fuss when they are found.  Thieves are less likely to steal a 
'chipped dog, and as such I provide all my clients with tags to go on the 
dog's collar to inform anyone who looks that the dog is 'chipped.
I am at total liberty to say that something sounds dodgy, if that is what I 
believe.  I didn't say it very definitely *was* dodgy, I merely intimated 
that to me it sounded dodgy.  The number one reason for wanting a microchip 
removed is sadly to make a stolen dog less *hot*....again, I'm not inferring 
that your dog is stolen, just that chip removal techniques would often be 
tried on stolen dogs.  I'm hoping someone with a stolen dog wouldn't be daft 
enough to post such an incriminating question on Usenet.
I honestly don't know of any *good*reason to want a microchip removed, other 
than for *extremely rare* medical reasons, or for *extremely rare* implanter 
incompetence, whereby a dog gets double chipped.
In my mind, wanting a dog's chip removed just because you don't want it 
there anymore is, IMHO, not a reason at all.
As long as your details are updated with Petlog (the KC don't have their own 
microchip registry, so I assume you meant Petlog?), then leave the chip 
where it is, where its not bothering your dog in any way, and relax knowing 
that if she wanders or is stolen, then she will be returned to you if she is 
ever picked up.  If your dog is not currently registered with Petlog (or any 
other similar microchip registry) then I strongly recommend this.
Petlog - www.petlog.org.uk/

Please reconsider your decision.

On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 01:47:23 -0700 (PDT), John Nagelson
 wrote:

>I had my pet dog microchipped to allow us to take her in and out of
>the UK without going into quarantine. But now we are not going to take
>her out of the UK again, and I would like the chip removed. I have
>rung a couple of vets who are unwilling to do the job. How easy is it
>to find a vet who is willing? (I've heard that you can just squeeze
>them out, but I do not feel competent to do this).
>
>Thanks!
>
>John

I doubt you will find any vets prepared to do this as removing the
chip will require surgey which could lead to complications (infection,
scarring etc.)

I suggest you research the benefits vs disadvantafges of ID chips
properly - I can only assume you haven't done this.

I would not trust any piece of technology as harmless, so John you have 
every right to want to have the chip remove. I have heard that an 
alternative is an ID tattoo on the inside of the dogs ear which is harmless.

There has been some evidence but not widely reported of links to tumours 
from the micro-chip and aggressive behaviour of dogs. I hardly expect James 
to agree as he is the messenger so to speak, ie he micro-chips dogs himself, 
but no way can he know the harm the micro-chip may or may not do anymore 
than a nurse giving out a vaccine with mercury content in it.

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This link regarding gives a lot of information of studies of the direct link 
to cancer through mico-chipping. http://www.antichips.com/write-a-letter.
htm

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