HOWEDY FellHOWE Dog Lovers,

Here's elegy FRUSTRATING her dog who's GOIN INSANE
pullin against her pronged spiked pinch choke collar:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzBtxevvcFs&mode=user&search=

AnyWON responding to elegy and her threads abHOWET
her DEATHLY ILL an DEAD "RESCUE" dogs has GOT
THE SAME PROBLEM as elegy:

Posted by elegy a.k.a. "K":

Newsgroups: alt.support.depression
From: "K" 
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:24:15 GMT

Subject: why is it

that people think that the things that you think about and tell them
about are never bad enough to be the cause of what you're feeling?

 oh he didn't do this or do that. well it means a lot to a two year
old. or a ten year old.

or a mother who denies that things are bad. is it some kind of
competition for sadness? or abandonment? i want someone to
 tell me this.

~K, confused and in melancholy

Newsgroups: alt.support.depression

From: "Fiona E. McClellan" 
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 21:14:29 -0500
Subject: Re: why is it

K wrote:
> i jsut want her to listen and actually HEAR me. not who
> or what she wants to hear, but me, me for who i am and
> what's been done to me.

I hear this. I could have written this.

 And my mother will probably never hear me.

Fiona

Newsgroups: alt.support.depression
From: "K" 
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 21:31:34 GMT
Subject: Re: why is it

> I agree, things mean a lot to children, and affect us
> more than we sometimes want to admit. Denial by
> mothers is also very difficult.
>
> It is not a competition, not at all. There is more than
> enough sadness to go around in the world, alas. Your
> sadness is as valid and as important as anyone else's.
> I wish I had more and better words of comfort for you
> today.
>
> But I'm listening and I care.
> Fiona

i just wish things had turned out differently between us.

~K

                 Here's what ***REALLY*** happened:

        "Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem
        Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is
        A Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens,
        But You'll Get Over It," mike duforth,
        author: "CourteHOWES Canine."

        "I have heard advice stating  that you should pre-load
        your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently
        as possible. What  does this mean?

        When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first
        time, spray one squirt directly into the dog's mouth
        and walk away. The dog won't be too thrilled with
        this but just ignore him and continue your normal
        behavior."
                       --Mike Dufort
                author of the zero selling book
                "CourteHOWES Canines"

"elegy"  wrote in message
news:kl9i54dug15g3i40oock46a574aujf37gs@4ax.com...
> harv had been doing so well,

Actually, no, NOT AT ALL.

Harv had been DYIN from STRESS INDUCED PSYCHOGENIC SEIZURES as a
result of
being locked in a box and IGNORED
when he cried and jerked an choked on ITS pronged spiked pinch
choke collar <{}: ~ ( >

Harv had his eyeball surgically removed to CURE his glaucoma.

Glaucoma is CAUSED BY CHOKING your dog.

                            LIKE THIS:

Subject: Stress Induced Blindness - Effects Of Emotions On Glaucoma

Fri, Sep 26 2003

The most common precipitating events include illness,
emotional stress, trauma, intense concentration, and
pharmacologic pupillary dilation.[Sugar, 1941 #116; Lowe,
1961 #8957] The role of emotional stress in inducing acute
angle-closure should not be underestimated.[Inman, 1929
#190; Egan, 1955 #189; Cross, 1960 #188]

From: David Wright (djwri...@tesco.net)
Subject: Re: Effects of emotions on glaucoma
Newsgroups: alt.support.glaucoma
Date: 1999/07/01

The role of stress in glaucoma is difficult to establish but
anecdotal evidence from many doctors suggests that it might
well play a role in glaucoma. As far as we know there are not
any clinical papers on the subject, indeed part of the problem
in investigating the relationship of stress to any condition
is that the investigation itself tends to be somewhat
stressful. However, the best advice would be to keep stress
levels as low as possible without raising them again by
worrying about it.

David Wright MSAE
Chief Executive, International Glaucoma Association

While we are pleased to offer the above information, it is not
possible for the International Glaucoma Association to advise
on an individual patient's eye condition or treatment as this
has to be the role of their own doctor or eye specialist who
knows the full details of their particular case.

In article <7lfuf7$f5...@nnrp1.deja.com>, m...@my-deja.com wrote:
> I seem to recall hearing on occasion the role of stress on
> eye pressure. My doc asked me on my last tonometry if I was
> under stress. However, after researching the subject I cannot
> find out anything. Many areas of medicine have acknowleged
> the role of stress reduction on things such as blood
> pressure, the immune system, pain sensitivity etc.
>
> What about things like anxiety, insomnia, anger, depression,
> etc and the effects on eye pressure. Is there any correlation?
> Does biofeedback have any effect on reducing eye pressure? If
> there hasn't been any research like this there should be! I
> would appreciate any thoughts on this subject.
> Thanks.

From: ritch (r...@inx.inx.net)
Subject: Re: Cerebrospinal Pressure, Glaucoma, etc.
Newsgroups: sci.med.vision, alt.support.glaucoma
Date: 1996/01/26

2. Constant elevated IOP was shown to block axoplasmic
transport at the level of the lamina cribrosa a generation ago
by electron microscopic studies. However, it has more recently
been advocated that shear stress is just as important. In the
latter case, changes in IOP can cause sliding of the plates of
the lamina cribrosa over each other, twisting and damaging the
axons that pass through it.

                         -----------------

Here's elegy FRUSTRATING her dog who's GOIN INSANE
 pullin against her pronged spiked pinch choke collar:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzBtxevvcFs&mode=user&search=

> and this was so unexpected,

Actually, no, NOT AT ALL.

It was PREDICTABLE and was PREDICTED.

> even though i've known it was coming for months now.

LikeWIZE <{}: ~ ( >

elegy has a very long posted case history of MURDERIN
her "RESCUE" dogs by jerking choking bribing crating
and intimidating them and igoring their cries TILL THEY
GO INSANE.

                         LIKE THIS:

Homer 1994 - 03.01.2007"
brothers and sisters i bid you beware
of giving your heart to a dog to tear

i put homer to sleep yesterday.

it was quite possibly the hardest thing i've ever done.

monday night i was trying to teach him to down using a
food lure. he wasn't getting it, so i put a hand on him to
try to encourage him to down. he attacked me, biting me
twice on the hand, and then when i stood up and backed
away, he came after me more and bit me on the leg as well.

i was shocked and devestated and a hundred other things.

i ended up emailing my trainer (who has turned out to be a
very kind friend) and she called me and i spent an hour on
the phone with her crying. she doesn't deal with aggression
cases, but she listened to me and talked me down. i hardly
slept that night.

tuesday i took homer in to work with me and had the vet
feel his neck. i didn't think it was a reaction due to pain
but i had to check it out. the vet put his hands on the sides
of homer's head and manipulated his head around. homer
didn't show any signs of pain or discomfort. he went
through the motions some more.

homer flipped out, with no warning, extremely violently. it
took him a long time (it felt like a lifetime. it was probably
around 3 minutes) to calm down enough that the vet could
take his hands off of homer without anybody getting hurt.

i went home for lunch and called a behaviorist. i spent a lot
of the day reading the brenda aloff aggression book and the
karen overall behavior book.

that night the behaviorist called me and i told her what had
happened and she asked questions and i answered them as
best i could.

she gave him a pretty poor prognosis.

everything that she said made sense to me, and nothing
she said was earth-shattering or even really anything
that i didn't already know.

this morning i took him in and held him close and cried into
his fur and told him how much i love him and let him go.

he was a dangerous dog. he bit unpredictably and with no
warning. he was a love, a snugglebug, a sweet sweet dog
as long as you didn't do anything he didn't want done. but
if you tried to "make" him do something he didn't want to
do, all bets were off. his reaction could be a snap or it could
be an over-the-top meltdown.

i couldn't live with a dog like that.

i *will not* live with a dog like that.

i've spent the last three days crying my eyes out. i never
imagined i could get that attached to a dog who i had for
all of 12 days and who bit me several times during those
12 days.

 but i was. i loved him.

i loved him ferociously, but i had to let him go.

 for his sake.

for my sake.

for the sake of luce and mushroom.

i feel horrible. heartbroken. guilty. angry.

and yet i don't regret him, not for one moment,
despite how things turned out.

Replies: 2 comments

i'm sorry, but human aggression is a deal-breaker, especially
unpredictable, unwarned human-aggression. there is too much
 at stake and too much to lose.

Posted by e @ 03/26/2007 06:49 AM EST

You were just as unpredictable to Homer.
Shame on you for giving him only 12 days.

                  -----------------------

HOWEver, you ***MAY NOT*** find elegy's posted case
history on accHOWENTA elegy sets her informative posts
to EXXXPIRE in six days, so you AIN'T GONNA SEE IT
unless someWON QUOTED it, in it's entirety.

HOWE COME would elegy set her INFORMATIVE posts to
EXXXPIRE in six days? Is she EMBARRASSED by her own
words, the lyin animal murderin punk thug coward mental case
fraud an SCAM ARTIST, like montana, diddler, professora
melanie chang, cindy title moore of k9web.com, matty a.k.a.
Rocky and not so happy, not so handsome, not so gentle jackass,
not even jack morrison, a.k.a. BIG DADDY a.k.a. DOGMAN
a.k.a. tommy sorenson of sorenson's Retriever PUPPY MILL and
SHOCK COLLAR SALES??

Are they EMBARRASSED by their own words, the lyin animal
murderin punk thug coward mental cases frauds an SCAM ARTISTS?

matty aka Rocky EXXXPLAINS HOWE COME:

"Rocky"  wrote
For reasons I'll only explain privately, I've gone no
archive, and it's a shame.  Once in a while, while
looking for something else, I'll run into an old post
of mine.  What an idiotic response!  Whoops.

            BWEEEAAAHAHAAAHAAHAAA!~!~!

> he started the kbr five weeks or so ago and hadn't
> had any seizures at all that i know of.

Well, THAT AIN'T TRUE, either. Harv had been havin
"bubble gum seizures" for the past several weeks as a
result of being locked in a box and IGNORED when he
cried, JUST LIKE (the)duckster's dog who, like Harv,
WEARS UNDERPANTS and takes ANTI-PSYCHOTIC
MEDICATIONS to stop them from shittin an pissin all
over your HOWESES <{}: ~ ( >

> the side effects were crappy and he was up six times monday night.

Ahhhh, JUST LIKE elegy's DEAD "RESCUE DOG" Princess:

"elegy"  wrote in message
news:f0vbp0h8g3r1262v5sikos10ubogn41j7i@4ax.com...

i never meant to own a poodle. i used to take those
online "what breed of dog is right for you tests"
and get poodle and go back and change my answers.

i especially never meant to own a little poodle.
sometimes life turns out to be the last thing you expect.

the first time i met her i had just started working
overnights by myself. she was hospitalized with pneumonia
and an ugly anal gland abscess. she barked and carried on
and peed in her cage every twenty minutes and pretty much
drove me crazy all night and i absolutely couldn't stand her.

then one of our doctors brought her back to the hospital for
good. her owner had alzheimers and had to go into a home, and
pam said she'd take siren and try to find her a home. the womans
other dog was an easy rehome- a 2 year old mini poodle, cute as
a button. but siren was 16, senile, with advanced heart disease,
not great kidneys, full cataracts in both eyes, and no potty
training whatsoever.

she stayed about 2 months in the kennels. she grew on me. i
would leave her out with me at night so she'd get some exercise
and some attention. one night i mentioned to the vet who had
brought her in that i wished i could take her but was afraid i
couldn't afford her.

she'd need multiple medications, regular bloodwork, x-rays, etc.
the vet offered to pay for her medical bills if i'd give her a
good home.

she told me she didn't expect siren to live more than a year.
she lasted 18 months and 4 days. she could have kept going
physically. but her little brain had just run out. the past
two weeks she's just been terrible. she was pacing nonstop
and wouldn't or couldn't stop.

i'd pick her up and try to bring her back to bed and quiet
her down, and her legs would just keep pacing as i held her.
she was getting lost and stuck in corners, and at walls, and
in weird places i can't figure out how she got into. she hardly
knew where she was or what was going on anymore.
and when i asked her what she wanted, all i got was an
overwhelming feeling of apathy.

so i took her in tonight after appointments and we put her to
sleep. it was one of the hardest decisions i've ever had to make.
i think i've been crying for a week. i thought i was cried out,
but when the vet was giving her the injection and started crying,
i lost it.

i'm home now and just feel so empty. i have to figure out what
to do with all her things. her bed. her coats. i feel so lost.

they got me beautiful flowers at work and i keep looking at
them and tearing up again because i am just so touched.

she was a special dog and she touched a lot of people's lives.
i miss her very much.

goodnight my little space princess. sleep sweet and remember
me in your dreams.
<http://escape.nightsfall.net/shudder/images/sirensunshine.jpg>
---
petey was a pit bull.
http://shattering.org

> i felt like i'd lost my dog under all those side-effects, but every
> once in awhile i saw a glimpse of him. every once in awhile
> he'd whack me with a paw.

Harv was TRYIN to tell you to stop lockin him
in a box and STOP CHOKIN him, elegy.

HOWEver, INSTEAD, you MURDERED HIM <{}: ~ ( >

> i got home from work last night and he was all twitchy. i'm not
> sure if he'd had a seizure or if he was just leading up to one,

Harv had been GOIN INSANE bein locked in a box and
IGNORED when he cried, FellHOWE Dog Lovers, JUST
LIKE (the)duckster's dog <{}: ~ ( >

> so i gave him his dinner and his meds and some extra meds on top.
> he ate great, we went potty, he plopped down in the kitchen with me.

Perhaps he was gettin TOXIC from his "medication"?

Your seizure ridden dogs DO NOT NEED medication they
NEED you dog lovers to STOP ABUSIN them <{}: ~ ( >

> not long afterward, he had his first grand mal seizure since this
> whole thing started. it was all downhill from there. he'd seizure,
> stop, have small seizures, they'd progress into big seizures again.
> i got more drugs into him. he vomited foam everywhere. he seized
> again and vomited again. he'd never been that bad.

                    BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!

> i called my bosses at home and they met me at the hospital. my
> mom drove and i held my harvey. he finally stopped by the time
> we got there, and was snoring. picking him up and carrying him
> into the hospital got him started again.

Naaaah? Harv was familiar with being LOCKED IN A BOX and
IGNORED when he cried at your veterinary malpracticioner's office
WHERE YOU
WORK.

> i could have taken him to the e-clinic overnight and put him on some
> drug drip or another, but for what? if he were a young dog with
> primary epilepsy, i would have done that, but as this was all likely
> secondary to a brain tumor, it just didn't seem worth it to prolong
> everything.

Yeah, he probably had a BRAIN TUMOR like handsome gentleman
jack's STUDENT'S dog who TURNED ON HIM when puttin IT into
 his truck to go for another SHOCK COLLAR LESSON with "jack".

> so i let him go. he wasn't himself at all. he was growling at the vet
> and fighting with me on the table. i finally got him to settle and lay
> down so i could hold him comfortably and he went quickly and quietly.

Harv KNEW you was fixin to MURDER him, elegy.

> i hate this.

You should be used to it by NHOWE, elegy. HOWE MANY
DEAD "RESCUE" dogs have you MURDERED?

>  i hate how much it hurts that he's gone. i hate how empty
> my house feels and how much my heart aches. i hate that
> the young dogs don't even seem to notice that he's gone.

Yeah. HOWEver, you LOVE the SYMPATHY you been gettin
from your fellHOWE MENTAL CASE PALS here who DO THE
SAME THINGS to their own fearful hyperactive deathly ill dogs.

> i woke up in the middle of the night and hated that he
> wasn't there pacing and needing to go out and pee.

He WOULDN'T DO THAT if you hadn't MADE HIM INSANE,
JUST LIKE your DEAD "RESCUE" dog Princess and your DEAD
"RESCUE" dog Homer <{}: ~ ( >

> he was such a good dog. i only had, what, fifteen months with him.

It only took you a couple weeks to DRIVE HIM INSANE
and make him DEATHLY ILL JUST LIKE HOmer <{}: ~ ( >

The only difference is, Homer TURNED ON YOU whereas
Harv INTERNALIZED his STRESS and WENT INSANE,
JUST LIKE matty and racetrack silly's dogs <{}: ~ ( >

> and he was a disaster for most of those months <g> but he was
> a good dog and i loved him and i'm glad i had him for what time
> i could.

Well, you're in EXXXCELLENT company, elegy.

Here's you goin MENTAL and BLAMIN YOUR CRITTERS
 for your own INCOMPETENCE and your fragile defective ego
weak mind and inferiority complexes, elegy:

"vent.

i'm about ready to totally lose it.

my patience is totally shot with everything.

i am on the verge of explosion and these
charming animals of mine are not helping
anything.

first there are the multiple sick rats, again.
andrew sounds like crap despite being on
meds. chewie who had a huge abscess
under his jaw several months ago has a
firm lump there again, which i assume is
another abscess, but it's in exactly the
same spot as lymph nodes, so it could be
something else. i also have a snotty girl
rat who i need to get on meds.

then there is her royal highness the poodle
who is turning her little snout up at every
offer of food i make. she had been taking
her pills so well in peanut butter for months,
and now i have to shove them down her
throat again, and she spazzes out and spits
them out and i do not have the patience to
deal calmly with her.

she doesn't understand when i am loud and yell.

she just gets scared.

i know it doesn't help anything, but i can't
deal with this shit.

i just can't.

she has to have her pills or she'll get very
very sick and die. it's not an optional thing.

and then of course there is eleusis who has
to stick her big fat nose in everything because
it's all about her.

she doesn't care what it is, it is about her.

the end.

she who used to be house broken and now
has been leaving me big fat piles of poop in
my upstairs.

i don't even know when she's doing it, she's
so sneaky about it. i take her out but she is
too concerned with all the other dogs in the
area that god forbid she condescend to go to
the bathroom. or she will go and then she'll
go upstairs and poop again anyway.

she's eating freakin canidae. it's high quality
food, not all fillers. she should not be producing
this much poop to start with.

i need a vacation.

i really really do.

one without dogs or rats or shithead cats
who run out the door and disappear into
the night."

posted @ 08:14 AM EST [link] [No Comments]

"she doesn't understand when i am loud and yell.
she just gets scared. i know it doesn't help anything,
but i can't deal with this shit. and then of course there
is eleusis who has to stick her big fat nose in everything
because it's all about her. she doesn't care what it is, it
is about her."

          -----------------------------

she doesn't care what it is, it is about her.
she doesn't care what it is, it is about her.
she doesn't care what it is, it is about her.
she doesn't care what it is, it is about her.
she doesn't care what it is, it is about her.
she doesn't care what it is, it is about her.

AS IT SHOULD BE, elegy.

You're a MENTAL CASE.

And you're a BEGGAR.

"If you're interested in sponsoring me
(please please!) go to the Project Blog
webpage, sign up for an account, click
on sponsor a blogger, a pick me (elegy)!"

The Amazing Puppy Wizard FHOWEN
on your site, that you link to sue sternberg,
the notoriHOWES dog MURDERER.

"Tail Spin, Rondout Valley Animals for Adoption,
and All About Dogs are combining efforts to create
the best place for dog training."

Even the MENTAL CASES and FRAUDS in
this BUSINESS know better than to support
sue sternberg cause SHE MURDERS dogs.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~  )  >


            BWEEEAAAHAHAAAHAAHAAA!~!~!

And NHOWE, let's get on with the elegy murderin
her own DEAD RESCUE dogs SHOWE:

On Oct 26, 6:06 pm, elegy  wrote:

> On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 19:27:15 +0200 (CEST), Anonymous
>  wrote:
> > Puppy is about 7 months old.  I'm trying to teach him "come."
> > Sometimes he does it fine.  Other times, he just sits there, looks
>>  at me and ignores me. It is extremely frustrating.

That ain't hardly as frustrating as MURDERIN your own
last TWO DEAD "RESCUE" dogs on accHOWENTA you
ABUSED them, is it, elegy, you pathetic miserable stinkin
lyin animal murderin punk thug coward active accute
chronic life long incurable mental case.

> this is my favorite link for teaching a reliable recall
> <http://www.shirleychong.com/keepers/Lesson6.html>

Yeah? Your friend Mistress Shirley is a B&D/S&M SPECIALIST
who can't train the come command withHOWET her trusty SHOCK
COLLAR you pathetic lyin animal murderin ignorameHOWES:

Here's your PAL, MISTRESS shirly chong,
crapHOWES CLICKER TRAINER:

"To be effective as a positive punisher, I set the level
of shock at a level high enough (in my best guesstimation)
to be unpleasant to the dog. I want the dog to startle a
bit and even yelp when they get shocked.

No, this is not pleasant.

After each shock, I call the dog again (because many
dogs tend to panic when something mysteriously reaches
out and stings them)."

But don't go away yet, my pretty flying monkey, there's MOORE:

"If the dog is still refusing the recall, then I escalate my
aversive  a bit--usually, to taking two big handfuls of ruff
as I move backwards.

Some dogs do get "long line wise.""

No, some trainers are just long line stupid.

You can't force a dog to come.

"That is, they never refuse a recall while on the long line
but when the long line is gone, they are unreliable even if
the handler started with close recalls off lead in a familiar
(and safely fenced) area."

That's because you can't teach compliance with force no
matter HOWE gently you try to force. ANY force, even verbal
intimidation, will cause the opposition reflex to compel the
dog to do other than what you want.

Too bad you sharp trainers here don't understand that. It's
called positive thigmotaxis, and it's just as valid with a
choke collar as it is with a mental attitude. Force causes
the dog to not respond.

"IF the dog never ever refuses a recall while on the long
line, no matter what the distraction (and I am pretty good
at devising distractions for this test!), then I move to a
shock collar."

That's a competent clicker trainer, by golly!

Where do you people come off with that kind of crap?

Here's Miss Shirly, the CLICKER TRAINER you recommended to us:

Newsgroups: soc.subculture.bondage-bdsm
From: M Shirley Chong <eithne @forest.pcpartner.net>

Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 02:16:30 -0500
Subject: Re: OT Big dog problem. Serious help needed

MasterofDelight wrote:
> Welcome back, and it sure did not take you long to pick up on
> the dog training thread.  As you can see, you commentary was missed.

Thanks!

Yes, there's nothing more likely to lure me out of lurk
mode than a training question. I'd planned to lurk for
a couple weeks to get up to speed again but before I
knew it, the keyboard was rattling.

> OB:bdsm  Do you give advice on "puppy training" too?

Sure! I may not have a clue as to what I'm talking
about but that never stops me.

Shirley eithne @direcway.com http://www.shirleychong.com

Newsgroups: soc.subculture.bondage-bdsm
From: M Shirley Chong 
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 13:48:53 -0500

Subject: Re: pregnancy and S&M?

dionysiangrrrl wrote:
> I just learned I'm pregnant, and while in most respects, I find it to be
> excellent news, I'm a little concerned about play time. I'm a fairly heavy
> masochist used to frequent beatings and torture, and have held back from
> play so far until I get a little more advanced, just to be safe. But if I
> make it healthily through the first trimester, does anyone have any advice
> for pregnancy whompings? (Besides the fairly obvious "no more gut
> punches" rule :)

Congratulations!

My advice is to ask your doctor. Because your doctor is the
one who knows your specific conditions, because there's a
lot of advice out there of varying quality (including this!)
and because it's important to have peace of mind that you
are doing the right thing at a time like this.

Most doctors have heard it all. If they haven't heard it all,
they should have. <G> If you have reason to believe that your
doctor may react badly then maybe that's an indication this
isn't the doctor for you.

Better to find this out now rather than when you are in
labor and not in the mood to holler at some rank narrow
mindedness and unable to gather your dignity and march out.

Those hospital gowns just don't cut it for dignified exits
unless you back out the door and then there's the little
problem of who is out in the hall.

Much easier in the long run to tell the truth.

Shirley

Newsgroups: soc.subculture.bondage-bdsm
From: redneckpai...@aol.comspam (Joe Sergio)

Date: 17 Apr 2004 00:51:40 GMT

Subject: Re: OT Big dog problem. Serious help needed

JK said:
> Gee, let's see, why not take your dogs to a training school
> or ask your local police how they do it with their dogs?!

Ive already called the K9 officer in my town.
Left a message. He will get in touch with me.

> And I don't know do you think maybe slapping your dogs
> around so much and living with them, I mean all that
> attention you are giving them might just have something to
> do with why they like you and your family more than the
> neighbors?

I don't slap them around so much. I'll pop em, and all
when they do something wrong, and fuss at em.  But I have
found something even better to make them stop what they
are doing.

A dustbuster.  Just turn it on.  Or show it to them.  They
hate any type of vacum cleaner.  It's worked about keeping
Jake out of the garbage.  I sat in the kitchen a whole day,
and every time he went to the garbage can and went to stick
his head in, I turned it on.  He stopped that.

Mainly I just pet them.  They lay there by my chair and I
reach down and scratch them.  They get up in the chair with
me.  Tha'ts not easy when they are that big.  But they still
think they are puppies.  I do spoil them sometimes, but they
are my boys, and I love them.

> Hey, but this is the SSBB clearinghouse and you know the brain
> bucket is just outside and we do expect you to leave your brain
> there first before you post your problems here. Afterall, we all know
> that SSBB has all the answers you need for all your problems. Don't
> bother picking up your phone and calling around 'cause you got the
> good ole SSBB to help solve your problems.

You dumbass, I did call around and ask some advice from
other folks as well first.  I posted it here because Miss
Shirley trains dogs, and there are a few folks here who
know more about it than I do.

Why do you try to turn every post you reply to into a noncon
humiliation scene with you topping?  Could it be that this is
the only action your getting?  LOL

> Time to fetch your brain. Come on boy you can do it. There you go.

I'd ask you to fetch yours, but I don't think you can
see something that small without a microscope.
--
Joe
Suck a lifesaver today, put a fireman in your mouth.

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Newsgroups: soc.subculture.bondage-bdsm
From: M Shirley Chong 

Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004

Subject: Re: OT Big dog problem. Serious help needed

Katharine H. wrote:
> He does pretty well in his "walking gear" -- which is what the prong
> and leash are.   When I put the prong collar and leash on, he still shows
> other aggression behaviors to new men in the house but does not lunge
> (because he doesn't tighten his leash on the prong.) I think he does
> pretty well with the leash behaviors (given he's got a run-of-the-mill
> owner-type).

What other sorts of behaviours does he show?

> He is mostly fine when we are off the property.  He still must stay
> leashed, but the only people he shows aggression to are fly fisherman
> (something about the gear freaks him out) and other dogs. Other people
> he basically ignores.  My biggest issue are other dog owners whose dogs
> are off leash and want to come up and say hello.  My beast will play well
> with a dog who submits, but will fight with one who doesn't.

I have a solution for that one. When some clueless idjit
allows their dog to come up to mine, I call over sweetly
"don't worry, the vet doesn't think he's infectious anymore."

A carryover from my years showing horses when idjits leading
a horse down the aisle of a barn would let their horse poke
it's head into my horse's stall. I'd grab a bottle of Ring-Ex
(ringworm medication) and start spritzing ostentatiously. And
mention that my vet thought we had the infestation cleared up.

I never mentioned that the bottle was full of plain water. <G>

If I'm not in a nice mood, I just scare the bejeebers out
of the oncoming dog to send it away. When they say "but
he's friendly" I say "well, I'm not." My dogs never have
to defend themselves on leash. I think they sort of enjoy
seeing me chase other dogs away, there's a certain smugness
in the way they lean against me while looking at the other dog.

> Bottom line though... this dog is killing my sex life because I can't
> introduce men into the house and I've been in the mood for men the past
> several months.  I don't know what the hell I'm doing, so I've called a
> local trainer and she's going to teach me how to more effectively deal
> with the beast before I figure it's time to enter a monastary :-) This dog
> is so docile with me... the contrast in behaviors is amazing.

Nooooo, not the monastary! Your scene reports are
incredibly good and would be a loss to pervkind.

Shirley

Newsgroups: soc.subculture.bondage-bdsm
From: M Shirley Chong 

Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 02:38:40 -0500

Subject: Re: OT Big dog problem. Serious help needed

I'm piggybacking from Nicole Diver:
> Katharine H. writes: "This is my new tactic -- my 3 yr old rottie/lab mix
> has become *extremely* aggressive when new people, in particular men,
> come onto his territory. All people who are coming to my home for the
> first time are warned to expect aggression. They are then given the option
> of dealing with the dog or not. If the new guests are not "dog people" I
> will make the choice for them and the dog will stay in the backyard while
> I have people over. If they do want to make friends with the dog, then the
> dog goes on a leash and prong collar when they enter the house.
>
> When I let them in, he is snarling, lunging, etc. As soon as the treats
> come out it's a whole new ballgame. The pup sits and wags his tail
> and is ready to make friends. It generally takes time for him to warm
> up to new men."

Katherine, I have nothing against the use of prong collars
and recommend them when I feel it is appropriate. Just like
any tool, there are situations when a prong collar is the
best tool for a job and there situations where a prong
collar is the worst tool for a job.

Prong collars do tend to magnify a dog's aggressive tendencies.
If the dog is at all inclined to bite unreasonably, the prong
collar will often send it right over the edge.

        <snip BD/SM and proceed directly to MURDER>

Re: homer bit me :(

"elegy"  wrote in message
news:e71pt2lsdt1sskllan43i2qdf5bp7iqcu1@4ax.com...
long ago and far away, Mary Healey  did say:

>elegy  wrote in
>news:1m6nt2l1m8uiepjg04slfa9hg33ig1h7ta@4ax.com:
>> i'm really disappointed in myself, because i wigged out on him for it,
>
> I'm not sure you should be.  Maybe it's because I'm used to dogs that'll
> keep pushing barriers just to find the limits (if any), but the bottom
> line is that Homer did something completely unacceptable (for whatever
> good and justified reason) and discovered that, yes, there is an upper
> boundary beyond which his new human gets a bit testy.  That's a good
> thing for a dog of any age to learn.

i worry that he reacted out of fear
 and i gave him more reason to fear.

luce is a huge barrier-pusher. i've wigged out
on her a few times, too, and that i don't think
was necessarily a bad thing. but with this guy,
because he's kinda timid and i think kinda
fearful, i feel bad about.

>> i put him in his crate until i calmed down enough to not do
>> anything else stupid.
>
> Well, see, you learned something valuable. Homer learned
> something valuable.  It's all good.  Neither of you will need
> to repeat this particular lesson.  I hope so, anyway.

i put a harness on him and he seems much more
comfortable with having that held. he simply
cannot be handle-less until he learns things like
come, stay, and to go in his crate.
--
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Subject: i don't know what to do
From: elegy
Date: Monday, February 26, 2007

homer full-on attacked me tonight. multiple puncture wounds on my
hand, torn pants, dog that kept coming. he meant it tonight. he meant
to hurt me, not just to say "i don't like this".

i was trying to teach him to down using a lure and he totally and
completely wasn't getting it at all, so i was trying to physically
show him what i wanted. yeah. guess not.

i don't know what to do.

i have always said that i WILL NOT tolerate a dog who
bites, that i WILL NOT have a dog like that in my house.

it's easy to say when you're not faced with that, eh?
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"diddy"  wrote in message
news:Xns98E5C5FE36862danny@216.196.97.142...
in thread news:uj6cu2937ccs8thufja20mgpc73l715r42@4ax.com: elegy
 whittled the following words:

Subject: Re: brothers and sisters, i bid you beware

> of giving your heart to a dog to tear.
>
> i don't remember what the last update i posted on homer was
> and i'm too tired and flat-out drained to go back and look.
>
> he saw the vet yesterday and wigged out and tried to hurt him. i spent
> half an hour on the phone with a behaviorist who was recommended both
> by my trainer and whom we recommend at work. she felt his prognosis
> was pretty grim and that he's dangerous. most of what she does is work
> with aggressive dogs. the only thing he has on his side in this is
> that he's on the small side. everything else about his biting is
> seriously bad news.
>
> i worked a half day today and spent the rest of it spoiling him,
> snuggling him, feeding him cookies and mcdonalds french fries.
> everytime he moves his head quickly i jump, in case he's planning on
> biting me.
>
> tomorrow morning i'll hold him close and whisper in his ear how much i
> love him and how sorry i am that his life was what it was, and send
> him on to a better place.
>
> and then i'll cry some more.
>
> i feel like i've been crying for two solid days.
>
> --
> And now, each night I count the stars.
> And each night I get the same number. (Amiri Baraka)
> http://shattering.org
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You meant so well.  I'm so sorry

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Newsgroups: alt.pets.dogs.pitbull
From: elegy 
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 23:09:44 -0400

Subject: Re: A question about pit bulls.

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unknown history has less to do with the
possibility of fighting than genetics.

you can take the pit bull out of the pit but
you can't take the pit out of the pit bull.

personally i am not willing to risk my dogs'
lives by leaving two fighting breed dogs alone
together no matter how well they get along when
i'm there.
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Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 09:36:24 -0400
Subject: Re: A question about pit bulls.

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On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 20:49:57 -0400, elegy
 wrote:

 any *good* vet will take the dog at face value
 and not muzzle or notmuzzle based on breed alone.

 most pit bulls are actually fantastic at the vet
 because they're such a people-loving and stoic
 breed. i actually haven't yet had a bad experience
 with a pit bull working in a veterinary environment,
 even ones that were bad torn up from fights.

 i know there are nasty pit bulls out there, and
 fear-biters as well, but thankfully they're they
 minority.

Newsgroups: alt.pets.dogs.pitbull
From: "Russ" 
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 20:01:09

Subject: Re: A question about pit bulls.

L Alpert,

It's unknown how a just graduated from highschool 17
year old male will act in the Summer holidays at the
local hang out, when confronted by the bully that
bullied and tormented him throughout the last 5 years
of highschool.

He may fall in line or he may react. Your dog is just
maturing, he may decide to be lower in the pack for
his entire life. Especially if you support the alpha.

BUT, if the pit decides in his own mind that it is
enough and decides to challenge for the top spot.

Your lifestyle will most likely change. All we are
trying to tell you is, be ready, be prepared, and
take precautions.

I don't know if you have seen a pitbull in its
virgin fight, but I can tell you they don't need
to taught to win against 99% of the other breeds
like rotties, gsd's, labs, etc. they will kick
ass and you will be mopping up.

Cleaning wounds and sticking your fingers into 1
inch deep gashes and punctures is not fun. And this
happened when I  was there to break it up.

Imagine if you are not there to intervene. I am so
glad my dogs don't hate each other. Otherwise I would
have have a serious dilemma:) "X's fingers and thanks God"

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