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date: 18 Jan 2006 01:32:04 -0800,    group: uk.rec.pets.misc        back       
Need tips, hints....   
HOWEDY Charley's human,

Charley's human wrote:
 Need tips, hints....for teaching a cat to use
 a scratching post instead of the furniture.

 Thanks!  Michelle

           ==========

Here's ALL the INFORMATION you need to CURE ALL your
kat's heelth, temperament and behavior problems caused
by REPRESSION INTIMIDATION and offering and witholding
bribes attention and affection aka STRESS INDUCED AUTO-
IMMUNE DIS-EASE aka The Pussy Wizard's Syndrome <(@} ; ~ )  >

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Just substitute the words dog or puppy with kat,
kitten, child or SP-HOWES on accHOWENT of <(@} : ~  )  >

                     ALL BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS
                            ARE CAUSED BY
                              MISHANDLING.

     ALL Critters Only Respond In PREDICTABLE INNATE
     NORMAL NATURAL INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways
     To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment
                       Which We Create For Them.

      "The Methods, Principles, And Philosophy Of Behavior
                         Never Change,
         Or They'd Not Be Scientific And Could Not Obtain
         Consistent, Reliable, Fast, Effective Results
                  For All Handler's And All Dogs,
                  ALL OVER THE WHOLE WILD WORLD,
                       NEARLY INSTANTLY,
        As Taught In Your FREE Copy Of The Puppy Wizard's
        FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual,"
                 The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ )  >

                                A Dog Is A Dog
                               As A Kat Is A Kat
                            As A Birdie Is A Birdie
                            As A Child Is A Child
                   As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES
               As A Mass Murderer Is A Mass Murderer

          Damn The Descartean War of "Nature Vs Nurture."
               We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions
                  And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.

             In The Problem Animal Behavior BUSINESS
                       FAILURE MEANS DEATH.
                       SAME SAME SAME SAME,
            For The Problem Child Behavior BUSINESS.

"...all the highest nervous activity, as it manifests
itself in the conditional reflex, consists of a continual
change of these three fundamental processes -- excitation,
inhibition and disinhibition."  Ivan P. Pavlov.

"Postitive emotions arising in connection with
the perfection of a skill, irrespective of its
pragmatic significance at a given moment, serve
as the reinforcement. IOW, emotions, not outside
rewards, are what reinforces any behavior," Pavlov.

"All animals learn best through play," -- Konrad Lorenz

"Complex activities are LEARNED MORE QUICKLY
through OBSERVATION (copying, if you will) than
by trial and error with reinforcemet (Luchins,)."

Pavlov Told Us So 100 Years Ago. Sam Corson,
Pavlov's Last Student Demonstrated At UofOH
Oxford, That Rehabilitation Of Hyperactive
Dogs Can Easily And Readily Be Done Using TLC.
Tender Loving Care Is At The Root Of The
Scientific Management Of Doggys.  <{) ; ~ ) >

"It is NO WONDER that the marked changes in
deviant behavior of children can be achieved
through brief, simple educative routines with
their mothers which modify the mother's social
behaviors shaping the child (Whaler, 1966). Some
clinics have reported ELIMINATION ofthe need for
child THERAPY through changing the clinical emphasis
from clinical to parental HANDLING of the child
(Szrynski 1965).

A large number of cases improved sufficiently after
preliminary contact with parents that NO treatment
of children was required, and almost ALL cases
SHOWE a remarkably shortened period for therapy.
Quite severe cases of anorexia nervosa have been
treated in own to five months by simply REPLACING
the parents temporarily with EFFUSIVELY LOVING
SUBSTITUTES (Groen, 1966)."

It's unfortunate the KAT LOVERS here have givin you some of
the MOST BRUTAL advice available in creation on sindy SADIST
mooreon's k9web page. She's a MENTAL CASE.

The links you've been given advise you to bribe scold and spray
aversives in your kat's face DESPITE that Dr. Christianne Schelling
the VETERINARIAN ADVISING you to do so likeWIZE SEZ "DO NOT
PUNISH  YOUR KAT" for scratching.

                    What a hipocrite!

                YOU TOO for that matter!

From: "The Puppy Wizard" 
To: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." 
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 4:40 AM
Subject: Fw: Counter Cruising must stop

> From: "diannes" 
> Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 12:18 PM
> Subject: Re: Counter Cruising must stop

> > LeeCharlesKelley  wrote:
> > > I wrote:
> > > > LeeCharlesKelley  wrote:

> > > > > On another note: I understand why someone
> > > > > proclaiming a method that works on all dogs,
> > > > > all the time, would send up "red flag" to you
> > > > > and others, but the fact remains, if a technique
> > > > > *doesn't* work 100% of the time, with all dogs,
> > > > > then there must be a flaw in the philosophy
> > > > > underlying that technique.

> > > > Ditto for dog training. No failure nor flaw of method
> > > > is involved - that's just acceptance of reality.

> > > First of all, I didn't say that there was a flaw in the
> > > method, though anyone is welcome to make that
> > > leap.

> > > I said there was a flaw in the underlying philosophy
> > > and its model of learning.

> > Correction accepted. I think that perhaps we are using
> > terminology differently here. Here is my use of the terms:

Jerry, I don't know where you find these folk who can't read.

> In order to use negative reinforcement, one must
> typically administer the aversive stimulus in order
> to be able to terminate it.

This is not negative reinforcement.  Negative means no.

Positive reinforcement = behavior emitted by dog,
reward emitted immediately by trainer;

Negative reinforcement = behavior emitted by dog,
no response by trainer;

Aversive reinforcement = behavior emitted by dog,
aversive stimuli emitted immediately by trainer;

The term "reinforcement is used only tentatively with
"aversion" because aversive stimuli (aka punishment)
typically derange learning and are not followed by clean
learning curves equivalent to those which follow reward
or positive reinforcement;

Escape conditioning = dog has an aversive stimulus
applied without any dog related reason and when
behavior is emitted aversive stim is immediately turned off .

There is some indication that Escape Conditioning
works in a manner closely approximating reward;
but, ear pinch? --  too aversive.

I remind you that you should beat them over the head
with "The Misbehavior of Organisms" by Breland and
Breland, published in B.F. Skinner's CUMULATIVE
RECORD.  Ignored by most profs of psychology, but
the distillation of his work.

NO PUNISHMENT.

Must pay attention to who is the animal?

His evolution, his development, and his personal history -
cannot train without respect for who is the dog?  So says
the BIG TIME operant conditioning guru - and you can also
refer back to MARY COVER JONES (mother of scientific
systematic psychology), no loving, no learning.

I suppose I could wire up  a dog so that his brain was
badly interrupted and the loving method of puppy training
might not work well - but it would still work better than the
methods used by dominatrix and their ilk.

Lovingly applied ethological techniques like the one
espoused by the Wizard of ALL puppies work for all
dogs, for that matter for all mammals higher than cat.

Indeed, they will work for cats if trainer is warmly competent.

You can see this in Key West on any sunny day.
Housecats performing quite happily.

Fondly, Dr. Von

                       ------------------

Your kat is DYIN from STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE
aka The Pussy Wizard's Syndrome <(@}:* ~ ( > JUST LIKE HOWE
most of the kat abusing mental case's kats who SHARE THE SAME
 SAME SAME SAME PROBLEMS for the SAME SAME SAME SAME
REASONS:

From: "bookbug2005" 
Date: 9 Oct 2005 12:01:47 -0700

Subject: Re: cat offended by closed doors

At least I know that I'm not alone concerning Charley's fetish about
closed doors.  :-)  I suspect that our lack of a clear cut schedule
exacerbates the issue, as IBen pointed out.  And lots of times, he is
segregated in a room with all of his needs met, except for his desire
to be out and about.  However, I may try the catnip.  And we are trying

very hard to ignore him when he throws a fit--but gee, he can be
persistent.  I would be absolutely THRILLED if Charley would simply lay

down and take a nap with me.  Nothing better than a cuddly kitty.  But
Charley is just awfully busy.

Thanks for the commiserating and the ideas!
Michelle


Charley's human wrote:

I have a one year old neutered male cat who is totally offended by
closed doors.  Due to our odd sleep schedules, we often nap in the
afternoon.  When one of us lays down, we close the door because the
cat, Charley, is likely to come in and play around or talk.  He's
really quite chatty.  Although he has the whole run of the house and
others may still be up to keep him company, he must go to the napper's
door and meow, stick his paw under the door and rattle it, or leap for
the door knob trying to open it.  This behavior usually gets him
stashed in another bedroom, and I usually go and lay down with him to
quiet him.  Lately, even that hasn't helped.  He pitches a hissy fit
that lasts around 15 minutes before finally resigning himself to the
inevitable.  Of course, the latter wouldn't be necessary if he'd just
leave the napper's door alone.

Any ideas?  Insight?  All thoughts appreciated.

Thanks!  Michelle


> Thanks for all of your replies.  I'm checking out the suggested
> websites as we speak...er, so to speak.  ;-)  Btw, where does
>  one find valerian oil?
>
> Thanks!  Michelle


            You DON'T NEED valarian for your kat.

        YOU NEED A PSYCHIATRIST for yourself JUST LIKE
        your KAT LOVER PALS got for themselves. YOUR
        KAT IS DYIN RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF YOU on
        accHOWENT of YOU ABUSE HIM. Here's your own
        POSTED CASE HISTORY of ABUSING YOUR DEATHLY
        ILL KAT <(@}:* ~ (  >


From: "bookbug2005" 
Date: 4 Apr 2005 12:06:22 -0700

Subject: Re: Vomiting cat

My sincere thanks to everybody for their suggestions!

Charley was at the vet about a month ago for neutering and received a
clean bill of health at that time.  If his behavior had changed I might

be concerned about a new illness, but he's incredibly energetic.

As it is, I do feed him some canned food twice day--it was my
understanding the free feed of dry and with twice daily servings of the

wet was supposed to be best for kittens.  However, Charley wakes up
before I do and wolfs down the dry chow.  Then I wake up to a
"present".

From: "bookbug2005" 
Date: 19 Dec 2005 09:40:48 -0800

Subject: Cat acts fine, but is hardly eating

My 1 year old neutered male is acting as playful and active as usual,
but for the past 24 hours has had little interest in food.  He has
eaten small amounts, but much less than his usual chow hound behavior.
If it weren't for the significant decrease in appetite I wouldn't even
begin to think that anything could be wrong.  He's alert, playful,
active, and so far pooping the same amount.  It's the first time he's
ever been disinterested in food though.

Is this natural?  Like just a mood?

Thanks!  Michelle

                       ============

        Yeah. IT'S CALLED STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE
            aka The Pussy Wizard's Syndrome <(@}:* ~ (  >

                       ===========

From: "bookbug2005" <bookbug2...@gmail.com
Date: 3 Apr 2005 18:32:04 -0700

Subject: Vomiting cat

My cat, Charley, is 6 months old, energetic, and by all accounts
healthy. However, lately he's begun vomiting in the morning after he
first eats his kitten chow.  I think what is happening is that he
snarfs it down, drinks some water, then the kitten chow expands in his
stomach, and up it comes.  Although it is rare, he's done it other
times in of the day.  All occurrences seem to happen when he's not
eaten in awhile (although I leave kitten chow available to him 24/7).
Charley does not seem sick in the least.  Just wondered if anyone else
had experience with this? Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Michelle

From: "bookbug2005" 
Date: 30 Oct 2005 11:12:05 -0800

Subject: Re: How do I "set back" Amber?

I've recently learned that my cat, Charley, is psychic.  You see, I
just wasn't giving him the message the right way.  He was fond of
meowing, not only in the morning, but whenever it suited his fancy,
which could be anywhere from 1-3AM.  He thought that would be a great
time for me to get up and play.

I decided he needed some negative reinforcement, so when he meowed
in the middle of the night, I nailed him with my feather pillow.

I did it two nights in a row and wondered how long I'd have to
give the lesson.  ON the 3rd night, as I lay down, I kept up the
mantra in my head. "Keep your mouth shut or I'm going to get you
with the pillow"

Charley hasn't meowed in the middle of the night since.

So now I don't have to throw the pillow, I just have to think about it.


Michelle  (Yes, I can hear the Twilight Zone music  ;-)

                   ====================

      YOU BEEN TAKIN YOUR ANTI-PSYCHOTIC MEDICATIONS???

      YOU BEEN TAKIN YOUR ANTI-PSYCHOTIC MEDICATIONS ON TIME???

YOU BEEN TAKIN YOUR ANTI-PSYCHOTIC MEDICATIONS ON TIME WITH A LITTLE
FOOD???

     YOU GOTTA FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS OR THEY WON'T WORK!!!

                  ====================

From: "bookbug2005" 
Date: 30 Apr 2005 11:36:40 -0700

Subject: Re: Cats' growing "intelligence" as they age.

LOL!  Oh yes, and then there are the times Charley decides to be onery,

doing things he knows he's not supposed to do, but when I go and get
the squirt bottle to give him a reminder lesson, I come back to find
him acting totally civilized and innocent--before he's seen what I
brought with me.  Hmmmm.


From: "bookbug2005" 
Date: 9 Oct 2005 12:01:47 -0700

Subject: Re: cat offended by closed doors

At least I know that I'm not alone concerning Charley's fetish about
closed doors.  :-)  I suspect that our lack of a clear cut schedule
exacerbates the issue, as IBen pointed out.  And lots of times, he is
segregated in a room with all of his needs met, except for his desire
to be out and about.  However, I may try the catnip.  And we are trying

very hard to ignore him when he throws a fit--but gee, he can be
persistent.

From: "IBen Getiner" 
Date: 9 Oct 2005 02:03:30 -0700
Subject: Re: cat offended by closed doors

Put Charles in his own room. Deck it out with everything he might need.

Put the fan on when it's hot.. Lot's of food and water. Make sure the
window's open for his pleasure. But SEGREGATE his noise busy little azz

from YOU. He'z a simple animal, and you're trying to rest, for Christ's

sake!   IBen

From: Joe Canuck  -
Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 18:24:13 -0400

Subject: Re: cat offended by closed doors

Yes, I have one almost the same except for throwing the hissy fit. And
it is not just doors that humans are behind... it is ANY closed door.

The condition is incurable.  :)


From: "Gail" 
Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 22:13:05 GMT
Local: Fri, Oct 7 2005 5:13 pm
Subject: Re: cat offended by closed doors

I have two cats like this, also. They are indignant when
someone closes them out of a room. They are both spoiled
rotten!!

Gail


From: "Space" 
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 22:16:44 +0000 (UTC)

Subject: Re: cat offended by closed doors

same here - i think with my cats it is a case of "the grass is always
greener", or a duvet is softer behind the closed door


From: jmc <NOnewsgroupsS...@NOjodiBODY.HOMEus>
Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 09:19:40 +0100
Subject: Re: cat offended by closed doors

Suddenly, without warning, Joe Canuck exclaimed (07-Oct-05 11:24 PM):

> Yes, I have one almost the same except for throwing the hissy fit. And
> it is not just doors that humans are behind... it is ANY closed door.


> The condition is incurable.  :)


Yea, mine's like that too.  If you let her in to the room with the
closed door, and close the door behind her, usually she'll be
immediately wanting out :)

From: 5cats 
Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 17:40:05 -0500
Subject: Re: cat offended by closed doors

I have a spoiled brat named Charlie too. He's usually willing to lay
quietly on my stomach or on my feet if I nap during the day.

Maybe you could distract your Charley with food or catnip right before
you go to sleep? It might keep him occupied for a few minutes at least.


If you react in any way to the hissy fit, it's reinforcing the
behavior.

  I'd lock him in a room with food, water, litter, far enough away that

the napper can nap, then completely ignore him till he quiets down.  If

when let out, he goes immediately to the door to harrass the napper, he

goes right back into isolation.  Do this consistently every time, he
should learn.  Sometimes he'll need reinforcement.


                    ============

   You APPRECIATED the ABUSE but YOU DIDN'T LIKE THIS ADVICE:

                   =============


From: "Barb" 
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 19:34:24 -0500
Subject: Re: cat offended by closed doors

Doors should not be closed in the home of a cat.
Charley wants to come in and he may talk for a
while when you want to take a nap but his real
plan is to lie beside you or on you and take a
nap, too.

--
Barb

                  -------------------

       HOWE COMEYOU DON'T WANT TO BE NICE to your kat?

                  -------------------

From: "bookbug2005" 
Date: 13 Apr 2005 11:17:47 -0700

Subject: Re: Bad news

Imo, it sucks to hunt anything for mere sport--and this is taking that
proposition over the top.

But even if lawmakers don't share my outrage at the concept, can't they

see, it's just going to cause major conflicts between people.  How long

before someone shoots someone pet?  And if the petowner has no legal
recourse, how long before he assaults the person who did it?  (Probably

fatally.)  Or suppose you get some stupid teenager with gun who decides

to go cat hunting in his neighborhood and ends up shooting another kid?


My point is that even if they don't give a damn about the cats, they
can't possibly be so stupid as to be unable to imagine these unintended

consequences.

Michelle

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                  The Amazing Pussy Wizard <(@}; ~ } >

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          Please DON'T BE The Amazing Pussy Wizard's PREY.

                       IT AIN'T PRETTY.

                         <(@}; ~ } >
date: 18 Jan 2006 01:32:04 -0800   author:   unknown

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