On 18 Sep, 10:43, bookworm524  wrote:
> On Sep 16, 12:47 pm, bookworm524  wrote:
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> > On Sep 16, 3:16 am, Marc  wrote:
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> > > Sheila & Les wrote:
> > > > "FREECOSPIRIT"  wrote in message
> > > >news:51e2c159-9710-4f9a-b825-149d1e2b5a38@j19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
> > > > On 11 Sep, 13:30, "Sheila & Les"  wrote:
> > > >> "Duncan Heenan"  wrote in message
>
> > > > Snip!
> > > >>> Not only that, but the overwhelming majority of spectators actually
> > > >>> wanted
> > > >>> to see all those naked bodies - I've never seen so many cameras! I din't
> > > >>> see any signs of offence being taken anywhere all day.
> > > >>> Kind of goes against 'Jerry' and 'Anna's assertions that many people are
> > > >>> offended by public nudity, eh?
> > > >>> --
> > > >>> Duncan Heenan
> > > >> Its not that they want public nudity Duncan {much as you would like to see
> > > >> it}yes they might have wanted to see all those naked bodies as you put it,
> > > >> but that's the reason some go to strip clubs or other such establishments!
> > > >> Its not a fact that they, like you endorse public nudity, could be one of
> > > >> curiosity or amusement! look at the photos that I have taken of this bunch
> > > >> of idiots (nudge, nudge, wink wink)
> > > >> Just because your ride was tolerated does not mean the vast amount of the
> > > >> general public want it.
> > > >> You yourself keep screaming the word tolerance, that's what you got; not
> > > >> public acceptance.
> > > >> You quote "the overwhelming majority of spectators actually wanted
>
> > > >>> to see all those naked bodies", how do you know this Duncan! did you
> > > >>> stop
> > > >>> and ask them all!
> > > >> Duncan its commendable that you want public nudity, but you yourself have
> > > >> quoted you would not be a for-runner as you do not want to be arrested,
> > > >> but
> > > >> your happy for others to promote your cause. Why not have the courage of
> > > >> your convictions and fight for your cause, go naked in public and back
> > > >> your
> > > >> mouth up
>
> > > >> Regards Les
>
> > > > I think that Les and Sheila put forward the case which most of us
> > > > (except perhaps Duncan who's a bit if show off!) espouse.  I'd be
> > > > happy with a few more official beaches and some places in parks where
> > > > you could go nude on a fine summers day (not that we get many of those
> > > > here) without having to worry that you would upset anyone or get
> > > > arrested.  I know there are some naturists who feel that they should
> > > > be allowed to go anywhere and everywhere at anytime starkers with no
> > > > restrictions at all.  As long as no one objects that is currently as
> > > > it is but the moment some one (especially the police or council) says
> > > > "oh no!" you can be in serious trouble - result you just don't know
> > > > where you stand.  You can of course be like Steve Gough and go boldly
> > > > nude in and out of Scottish jails with some of us saying "what a
> > > > prat!" and others saying  "what a hero - good on you but I won't join
> > > > you!".
>
> > > > Then consider what if they suddenly said you never need to wear
> > > > clothes in public unless you want to.  Who would actually want to
> > > > travel on the tube, go round the local Tesco sporting just a bum bag.
> > > > Apart from making a spectacle of yourself (cultural change is way
> > > > behind any legal change) what would that achieve.  Your family would
> > > > most likely disown you, your employer would make you redundant and
> > > > what for.  We have to live in the real world and the best we can hope
> > > > to achieve in the near future if we are lucky is a few more official
> > > > beaches (or may be an acceptance that beach nudity is OK except on a
> > > > few designated beaches, as in Denmark) and just  may be the right to
> > > > go nude in gym saunas (as in Germany, Holland and Scandinavia).  Even
> > > > in Denmark where there are few if any legal restrictions on nudity
> > > > naturists to tend keep customary areas though they do know that for
> > > > stepping over the cultural line they will not be liable to a night in
> > > > the cells.
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> > > > Freecospirit
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> > > > _____________________________________________________
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> > > > An excellent post free spirit
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> > > Of course you think it's excellent it's agreeing with you!
>
> > > > Many will have noted that Duncan has not responded to all the criteria
> > > > asked, but then that's Duncan!
> > > > Once again Duncan stop grasping at straws to try and prove your point that
> > > > naturism should be public (stand by your convictions and do it!) you hide
> > > > behind others but you yourself do NOT have the courage of your convictions,
> > > > try walking along the prom at Ventnor or Sandown to make your statement! NO
> > > > you wont do it because you are a coward Duncan, you snipe at others from way
> > > > off but refuse because of your cowardice to try and prove your point.
>
> > > > To me your an arrogant, nasty piece of work, the EC are well rid of such a
> > > > self opinionated, arrogant twerp.
>
> > > OOOOOPss looks like the "other" Les has been let loose at the keyboard!
>
> > > > Les
> > > >  (and yes I would love to meet you to discuss face to face (and like your
> > > > quote to another person on here I promise not to throw the first punch),
> > > > though I promise I would have the last LOL)
>
> > > I seem to remember you making the same promise to me, and then the
> > > "other" Les ( Sheila perhaps?) grabbed control and apologised.
>
> > > > Les
> > > >  a man whom stands by his convictions.
>
> > > Really, then how come  the requirement for me to punch you in the nose
> > > was abated?
>
> >  No public  nudity.
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>  Bookworm...... or tag22 wants to change his reply
>  Public Nudity should on be in specified places and times and
> conditions.
>   Examples in National Parks signage showing  other users that there
> may be naked people in the area this also requires  nudists carrying
> signs ahead of them telling there are naked people approaching . No
> ambush nudism. I was involved in a organised nudist club walk on
> pathways in a NP - National Park and we surprised  clothed walkers
> walking the other way, they were most upset and we nearly got reported
> by park rangers.
>  Same applies for remote beaches. Only my opinion.

You must be doing something very wrong, we have several nude hiking
groups here in the UK, and they get by without a problem. The one
reported recently in a national newspaper was sensationalised, and a
few facts were stretched and many fabricated to make better reading.
Sadly it is the shock, horror stories that draw more attention, if
they had taken time to walk with the group, the reporters would have
seen a different story, but it wouldn't have sold papers quite as
well.

I've walked with nude hiking groups in Australia too, and not once did
we have a problem, I also know (Through the electric interweb.)
several freehikers in the US, they report no such problems, so perhaps
your group could do with a little education of the subject.

Freehiking is the fastest growing area of naturism, whilst clubs
struggle and close the independent nude hiker flourishes, and sadly
our national organisation has nothing to offer these independent nude
hikers, or indeed the beach naturist. The Naturist Society of America
is an upstanding example of how an organisation can attract ALL types
of naturist, its NAC shows how campaigning for greater freedom should
be done.

Pete