Just a quick question, being fairly new to this and never being a member of 
BN, where the hell dose all the money go ?

What do you get for £44 a year ?

Other that a quarterly mag (which should be paid for by the advertising) and 
a members area on the web site......

Just as well join the Tax Avoidance Society (Sorry, The National Trust) at 
least you get some thing back for your money.

"heavyhorses"  wrote in message 
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> Just a quick question, being fairly new to this and never being a member 
> of BN, where the hell dose all the money go ?
>
> What do you get for £44 a year ?
>
> Other that a quarterly mag (which should be paid for by the advertising) 
> and a members area on the web site......
>
> Just as well join the Tax Avoidance Society (Sorry, The National Trust) at 
> least you get some thing back for your money.
>
I joined initially for the membership cards.  There are places abroad which 
insist on a card to get in and I simply prefer to go on hols knowing I've 
got everything I need before I go.

Having said that, I didn't realise it was £44 pa.  I haven't looked at the 
cost for years, perhaps I'll reappraise it at renewal time.

Rgds

Andy R

"heavyhorses"  wrote in message 
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> Just a quick question, being fairly new to this and never being a member 
> of BN, where the hell dose all the money go ?
>
> What do you get for £44 a year ?
>
> Other that a quarterly mag (which should be paid for by the advertising) 
> and a members area on the web site......
>
> Just as well join the Tax Avoidance Society (Sorry, The National Trust) at 
> least you get some thing back for your money.
>
One of the things you're paying for currently if you are a BN members is to 
send BN Chairman elect, Michael Farrar to the INF Conference in Brazil for a 
week+. There he will hear from such august speakers as Mick Ayers, as to how 
world naturism should be 'run'. (Believe it or not Mick Ayers is still on 
the Council of the INF, even though he is no longer even a member of his own 
national naturist organisation). BN subscribes about £13,000 a year towards 
the running costs of the INF to obtain such benefits.
When Mick Ayers ceased to be BN's international officer, amid 'the Mick 
Ayers thing' (see other threads), BN had no obvious candidate to send to the 
INF conference. At a time of budget cuts I persuaded them not to send 
anyone, to save money, as we could have the transcripts of all the speeches 
for free anyway. At the next EC meeting they performed one of their famous U 
turns, and hey presto!, suddenly Michael Farrar, by now only candidate for 
Chairman, was suddenly gagging to be sent on expenses to Brazil. And guess 
what? The EC voted (not unanimously!) to send him. What a surprise !
So yes, there are many benefits to being a member of BN, (depending on who 
you are, and who your mates are).
Toujours ca change.........
-- 
Duncan Heenan

"Duncan Heenan"  wrote in message 
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<snip>
>>
> One of the things you're paying for currently if you are a BN 
> members is to send BN Chairman elect, Michael Farrar to the INF 
> Conference in Brazil for a week+. There he will hear from such 
> august speakers as Mick Ayers, as to how world naturism should be 
> 'run'..........

<snip further sour grapes from an EX EC member who didn't get his own 
way>

How about answering the direct question asked of you, seeing that you 
have investigated these loans to MA, what were these loans for. Lets 
make it simple for you, were these loans for CCBN business or personal 
use?
-- 
Wikipedia: the Internet equivalent of
Hyde Park and 'speakers corner'...

Jerry wrote:
> "Duncan Heenan"  wrote in message 
> news:48c37f36_3@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
> <snip>
>> One of the things you're paying for currently if you are a BN 
>> members is to send BN Chairman elect, Michael Farrar to the INF 
>> Conference in Brazil for a week+. There he will hear from such 
>> august speakers as Mick Ayers, as to how world naturism should be 
>> 'run'..........
> 
> <snip further sour grapes from an EX EC member who didn't get his own 
> way>
> 
> How about answering the direct question asked of you, seeing that you 
> have investigated these loans to MA, what were these loans for. Lets 
> make it simple for you, were these loans for CCBN business or personal 
> use?


I'm not sure how much simpler it could be, considering that your 
question was answered before you asked it?

"The loans were all ostensibly for the purchase of computers (or in 
Steve Thompson's case camera equipment)."

"heavyhorses"  wrote in message 
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> Just a quick question, being fairly new to this and never being a member 
> of BN, where the hell dose all the money go ?
>
> What do you get for £44 a year ?
>
> Other that a quarterly mag (which should be paid for by the advertising) 
> and a members area on the web site......
>
> Just as well join the Tax Avoidance Society (Sorry, The National Trust) at 
> least you get some thing back for your money.
>
>
Have considered membership myself (especially after Holkham funday '05 on 
wife's suggestion), but the fact that my wife isn't into Naturism and only 
kept me company for the day to see for herself and 3 years on is only just 
warming to it, I haven't joined yet?!?!

I wouldn't be able to make use of its' holiday facilites or INF card 
benefits, so it would be £44/year for 4 magazines, which although well 
published doesn't justify the expense. I am considering a subscription to 
Naturist Life published by Suzanne at Shabden Leisure - as I recall its 
£21/year for bi-monthly magazine (6 a year) -  and having read an issue at 
Elixir found it more than comparable with the BN magazine, and that combined 
with URN and other NG's satisfies my interest and knowledge requirements.

Ric blondie64

"Ric blondie64"  wrote in message 
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>
> "heavyhorses"  wrote in message 
> news:khFwk.198974$_M4.68437@newsfe18.ams2...
>> Just a quick question, being fairly new to this and never being a member 
>> of BN, where the hell dose all the money go ?
>>
>> What do you get for £44 a year ?
>>
>> Other that a quarterly mag (which should be paid for by the advertising) 
>> and a members area on the web site......
>>
>> Just as well join the Tax Avoidance Society (Sorry, The National Trust) 
>> at least you get some thing back for your money.
>>
>>
> Have considered membership myself (especially after Holkham funday '05 on 
> wife's suggestion), but the fact that my wife isn't into Naturism and only 
> kept me company for the day to see for herself and 3 years on is only just 
> warming to it, I haven't joined yet?!?!
>
> I wouldn't be able to make use of its' holiday facilites or INF card 
> benefits, so it would be £44/year for 4 magazines, which although well 
> published doesn't justify the expense. I am considering a subscription to 
> Naturist Life published by Suzanne at Shabden Leisure - as I recall its 
> £21/year for bi-monthly magazine (6 a year) -  and having read an issue at 
> Elixir found it more than comparable with the BN magazine, and that 
> combined with URN and other NG's satisfies my interest and knowledge 
> requirements.
>
> Ric blondie64
Virtually no one actually needs an INF card nowadays. I've not been asked 
for one for a quarter of a century now, with trips to European naturist 
places most years. In that time only 1 place in the UK has asked me for a BN 
card even!
-- 
Duncan Heenan

"Jerry" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote in message 
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>
> "Duncan Heenan"  wrote in message 
> news:48c37f36_3@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
> <snip>
>>>
>> One of the things you're paying for currently if you are a BN members is 
>> to send BN Chairman elect, Michael Farrar to the INF Conference in Brazil 
>> for a week+. There he will hear from such august speakers as Mick Ayers, 
>> as to how world naturism should be 'run'..........
>
> <snip further sour grapes from an EX EC member who didn't get his own way>
>
> How about answering the direct question asked of you, seeing that you have 
> investigated these loans to MA, what were these loans for. Lets make it 
> simple for you, were these loans for CCBN business or personal use?
> -- 
> Wikipedia: the Internet equivalent of
> Hyde Park and 'speakers corner'...
>Jerry, please read the thread before asking questions which have already 
>been answered.
ONCE AGAIN, they were all loans of money so that the officers could 
personally own equipment (computers & cameras). The use of the equipment is 
not known, but it was all personally owned by those borrowing the money. In 
Ayers' case less than half was spent on a laptop, and he won't say what the 
other half went on.
Now do you understand?  ( Is this what you get with Care in the Community?)
-- 
Duncan Heenan

"Duncan Heenan"  wrote in message 
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>
<snip>
>>Jerry, please read the thread before asking questions which have 
>>already been answered.
> ONCE AGAIN, <snipped>

Care to give the message ref numbers for were you have previously 
'itemised' the use of the loans, rather than just vague suggestions 
and accusations?
-- 
Wikipedia: the Internet equivalent of
Hyde Park and 'speakers corner'...

"Jerry" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote in message 
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>
> "Duncan Heenan"  wrote in message 
> news:48c4c7f4$1_1@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
>>
> <snip>
>>>Jerry, please read the thread before asking questions which have already 
>>>been answered.
>> ONCE AGAIN, <snipped>
>
> Care to give the message ref numbers for were you have previously 
> 'itemised' the use of the loans, rather than just vague suggestions and 
> accusations?
> -- 

Perhaps you'd better ask the people who authorised and received these loans 
exactly what they were for. They, after all, should be the people who should 
be accountable for them and would know the sort of level of detail that you 
appear to be demanding.

David.

"David Looser"  wrote in message 
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<snip>>
> Perhaps you'd better ask the people who authorised and received 
> these loans exactly what they were for. They, after all, should be 
> the people who should be accountable for them and would know the 
> sort of level of detail that you appear to be demanding.
>

No, Duncan is the one making the accusations, it is for him to either 
'put up or shut up', if you are correct though perhaps someone should 
ask you if you have stopped beating your wife yet?...
-- 
Wikipedia: the Internet equivalent of
Hyde Park and 'speakers corner'...

"Ric blondie64"  wrote in message 
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>
> "heavyhorses"  wrote in message 
> news:khFwk.198974$_M4.68437@newsfe18.ams2...
>> Just a quick question, being fairly new to this and never being a member 
>> of BN, where the hell dose all the money go ?
>>
>> What do you get for £44 a year ?
>>
>> Other that a quarterly mag (which should be paid for by the advertising) 
>> and a members area on the web site......
>>
>> Just as well join the Tax Avoidance Society (Sorry, The National Trust) 
>> at least you get some thing back for your money.
>>
>>
> Have considered membership myself (especially after Holkham funday '05 on 
> wife's suggestion), but the fact that my wife isn't into Naturism and only 
> kept me company for the day to see for herself and 3 years on is only just 
> warming to it, I haven't joined yet?!?!
>
> I wouldn't be able to make use of its' holiday facilites or INF card 
> benefits, so it would be £44/year for 4 magazines, which although well 
> published doesn't justify the expense. I am considering a subscription to 
> Naturist Life published by Suzanne at Shabden Leisure - as I recall its 
> £21/year for bi-monthly magazine (6 a year) -  and having read an issue at 
> Elixir found it more than comparable with the BN magazine, and that 
> combined with URN and other NG's satisfies my interest and knowledge 
> requirements.
>
> Ric blondie64
Hiya
have just checked naturist life website and a subscription also comes with 
membership to Shabden Leisure Circle and a ABNC membership card,
which if needed helps entry into most Naturist Clubs inc. euronat & cap 
d'adge if you need to prove you naturist credentials at all to gain entry
http://naturist-life-magazine.co.uk/
Ric blondie64

>
> Hiya
> have just checked naturist life website and a subscription also comes with
> membership to Shabden Leisure Circle and a ABNC membership card,
> which if needed helps entry into most Naturist Clubs inc. euronat & cap
> d'adge if you need to prove you naturist credentials at all to gain entryhttp://naturist-life-magazine.co.uk/
> Ric blondie64

Having visited Euronat, Grande Cosse, Cap Natur and Cap d'Agde I have
never been asked for an INF card - although looking at Montalivet
www.chm-montalivet.com it seems you might need one

"Simon"  wrote in message 
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>
>>
>> Hiya
>> have just checked naturist life website and a subscription also comes 
>> with
>> membership to Shabden Leisure Circle and a ABNC membership card,
>> which if needed helps entry into most Naturist Clubs inc. euronat & cap
>> d'adge if you need to prove you naturist credentials at all to gain 
>> entryhttp://naturist-life-magazine.co.uk/
>> Ric blondie64
>
> Having visited Euronat, Grande Cosse, Cap Natur and Cap d'Agde I have
> never been asked for an INF card - although looking at Montalivet
> www.chm-montalivet.com it seems you might need one

It is unlikely you'd be turned away for the lack of one, even if you're 
asked for one in practice which is rare. they'll happily sell you one on the 
spot. That's how much an INF card actually means!
-- 
Duncan Heenan