Coming this Autumn:

"Private Eye editor Hislop presents Ian Hislop Goes Off the Rails, as
part of a Golden Age of Steam season.

He will examine the impact of the 1963 Beeching report, which led to
the closure of many rural lines and stations.

Hislop will question whether Beeching's solution was necessary to save
the transport system or an attack on industry and culture, as he
travels along ghost lines and through old stations"

MBQ

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          "manatbandq@hotmail.com"  wrote:

> Coming this Autumn:
> 
> "Private Eye editor Hislop presents Ian Hislop Goes Off the Rails, as
> part of a Golden Age of Steam season.
> 
> He will examine the impact of the 1963 Beeching report, which led to
> the closure of many rural lines and stations.
> 
> Hislop will question whether Beeching's solution was necessary to save
> the transport system or an attack on industry and culture, as he
> travels along ghost lines and through old stations"
> 

Should be good - I'm not a fan of Private Eye, but when he gets
his teeth into the politics behind something..... 

> MBQ

Cheers
Richard

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and when exactly ??

manatbandq@hotmail.com schrieb:
> Coming this Autumn:
> 
> "Private Eye editor Hislop presents Ian Hislop Goes Off the Rails, as
> part of a Golden Age of Steam season.
> 
> He will examine the impact of the 1963 Beeching report, which led to
> the closure of many rural lines and stations.
> 
> Hislop will question whether Beeching's solution was necessary to save
> the transport system or an attack on industry and culture, as he
> travels along ghost lines and through old stations"
> 
> MBQ

On Sep 12, 5:08 pm, me  wrote:
> and when exactly ??

All will be revealed when the beeb release the new schedule. Maybe
it's on their website already?

MBQ

me wrote:
> and when exactly ??

As I posted over on uk.railway :

http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/proginfo/tv/wk40/feature_ihislop.shtml


Rather naff title for a programme....

Quote from BBC Press Office website :-
"The notorious Beeching Report of 1963 led to the closure of many of 
Britain's railway lines and stations. In Ian Hislop Goes Off The Rails 
on BBC Four, Ian considers whether the report's author, Dr Richard 
Beeching, was a kind of Genghis Khan with a slide rule, ruthlessly axing 
swathes of the rail network in the name of progress, or simply the fall 
guy for something that had to happen?"

Richard

Ian Hislop is actually very good at this kind of reporting.  Knowing
his (apparent?) stance on many issuses being quite left-wing, his
programme about the Boy Scout movement was extremely well done.  This
should be a good one to watch.

Interestingly, Pete Waterman in his series of programmes also did a
set on the Beeching Report.  As it effectively cut short his career as
a railwayman, it was somewhat of a surprise that he was supportive of
the report - blaming the subsequent fiasco on the government's failure
to implement it's recommendations in full.  They went for the
cost-cutting measures (closing uneconomic routes) but failing to
develop the railways due to the expense.  Sounds familiar, doesn't it?

Ian Barefoot

On 14 Sep, 10:50, Ian  wrote:
> Ian Hislop is actually very good at this kind of reporting.  Knowing
> his (apparent?) stance on many issuses being quite left-wing, his
> programme about the Boy Scout movement was extremely well done.  This
> should be a good one to watch.
>
> Interestingly, Pete Waterman in his series of programmes also did a
> set on the Beeching Report.  As it effectively cut short his career as
> a railwayman, it was somewhat of a surprise that he was supportive of
> the report - blaming the subsequent fiasco on the government's failure
> to implement it's recommendations in full.  They went for the
> cost-cutting measures (closing uneconomic routes) but failing to
> develop the railways due to the expense.  Sounds familiar, doesn't it?
>
> Ian Barefoot

Yes people keep on about  "The Beeching Report" but how many people
have actually read it ?

The things people always associate was the closure of stations & other
major reductions :-

Staff reduced from 500 to 300 thousand		40%

Route miles reduced from 17 to 13 thousand	24%

Number of stations reduced from 5 to 2 thousand	46%

Locomotives reduced from 14 to 5 thousand 	64%

Carriages reduced from 36 to 20 	thousand	                44%

Wagons reduced from 900 to 450 thousand   	50%

Train miles reduced from 335 to 250 million  	25%

In the 2nd part of his report the recommendations are many but are
summed up to me in one sentence :-

" The real choice is between an excessive and increasingly uneconomic
system, with a corresponding tendency for the railways as a whole to
fall into disrepute and decay, or the selective development and
intensive utilisation of a more limited trunk route system.  "

History shows what became of the second part !

wrote in message 
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> Coming this Autumn:
>
> "Private Eye editor Hislop presents Ian Hislop Goes Off the Rails, 
> as
> part of a Golden Age of Steam season.
>
> He will examine the impact of the 1963 Beeching report, which led to
> the closure of many rural lines and stations.
>
> Hislop will question whether Beeching's solution was necessary to 
> save
> the transport system or an attack on industry and culture, as he
> travels along ghost lines and through old stations"
>

I assume all have now seen the listings for this and the other railway 
programmes on BBC4;
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/programmes/schedules/2008/10/02
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"Ian"  wrote in message 
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<snip>
>
> Interestingly, Pete Waterman in his series of programmes also did a
> set on the Beeching Report.  As it effectively cut short his career 
> as
> a railwayman, it was somewhat of a surprise that he was supportive 
> of
> the report - blaming the subsequent fiasco on the government's 
> failure
> to implement it's recommendations in full.

Of course he is going to say that, he made a fortune out of his second 
career and has made even more due to the 1994 privatisation of the 
railways - had Beeching not happened Pete Waterman would be thinking 
of retiring from a life time spent working on the railways (probably 
at not greater level than cleaner or platform porter) about now!...
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"Dragon Heart"  wrote in message 
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<snip>

> Yes people keep on about  "The Beeching Report" but how
> many people have actually read it ?

Very few I suspect, many don't even seem to know when it was 
published, any line or station closure from 1948 on gets blamed on his 
"Axe"! I know of one instance were someone claimed that their local 
station was closed due to Beeching and that their father campaigned 
against the closure - never mind the fact to do so he would have had 
to have done so from beyond the grave - and no his name wasn't Marty 
Hopkirk!...
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"Jerry" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote in message 
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>
> "Dragon Heart"  wrote in message 
> news:2d07fc54-f721-4dd9-8759-6ffaa355cfde@25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
> <snip>
>
>> Yes people keep on about  "The Beeching Report" but how
>> many people have actually read it ?
>
> Very few I suspect, many don't even seem to know when it was published, 
> any line or station closure from 1948 on gets blamed on his "Axe"! I know 
> of one instance were someone claimed that their local station was closed 
> due to Beeching and that their father campaigned against the closure - 
> never mind the fact to do so he would have had to have done so from beyond 
> the grave - and no his name wasn't Marty Hopkirk!...
> -- 
> Wikipedia: the Internet equivalent of
> Hyde Park and 'speakers corner'...
Sorry, but isn't this post off topic.

Kevin

"  ........ isn't this post off topic ?  "

Despite the fact I feel a little suspicious of Kevin's post I am going
to say this.

Most of us on this group have at least a little interest in railways,
both new and not so new.  My family have had close connections with
the railway industry for many years and I personally take an interest
in history of all kinds ( an Open University programme on fossils is
also on that night ),  as it explains in some way how we arrive at
what we have,  or dont have,  today.

'Ian Hislop Goes Off the Rail's is only part of the BBC's Golden Age
of Steam season and will include railway walks etc.  What better way
to see how railways worked / looked for inclusion in layouts.  What
else are people doing but attempting to recreate history in model
form ?

This is a somewhat long winded way of me saying NO ! this post is not
'off topic'

"Zen83237"  wrote in message 
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>
> Sorry, but isn't this post off topic.
>
> Kevin

Yes, you need alt.troll, I think it's that away ===>

On 29 Sep, 21:45, Dragon Heart  wrote:
> "  ........ isn't this post off topic ?  "
>
> Despite the fact I feel a little suspicious of Kevin's post I am going
> to say this.
>
> Most of us on this group have at least a little interest in railways,
> both new and not so new.  My family have had close connections with
> the railway industry for many years and I personally take an interest
> in history of all kinds ( an Open University programme on fossils is
> also on that night ),  as it explains in some way how we arrive at
> what we have,  or dont have,  today.
>
> 'Ian Hislop Goes Off the Rail's is only part of the BBC's Golden Age
> of Steam season and will include railway walks etc.  What better way
> to see how railways worked / looked for inclusion in layouts.  What
> else are people doing but attempting to recreate history in model
> form ?
>
> This is a somewhat long winded way of me saying NO ! this post is not
> 'off topic'

Kevin ( Zen83237 ) has replied to my last thread directly.

" I don't see how it meets the charter.  If it is going to be quoted
to other off topic posters why not all. "

.... and he kindly included a copy of the charter.

I may be wrong,  as this is only a guess,  but has Zen83237 been
criticised in the past for a similar apparent charter non compliance ?

This is a non mediated group and this kind of thing occurs.  The
'line' between real and model railways is somewhat of a smudge.

Some posts on Google Groups I have found to be vulgar and offensive,
some from people who normally appear to most civil ( one I think was
drunk or something at the time )  but it's an 'open' group just like
the rest of the Internet.  I try and keep my blood pressure low.

I personally appreciated the post and have set my video to record the
programmes late tomorrow night.

Kevin !  if you feel the need to 'police' the group then fine.

"Dragon Heart"  wrote in message 
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<snip>

> I may be wrong,  as this is only a guess,  but has Zen83237
> been criticised in the past for a similar apparent charter non
> compliance ?

It's less off topic that the "Steam loco apparently abandoned in a 
bush." thread, that should have been posted to the uk.railway group - 
or at least prefixed 'OT:'. So why did this "Kevin" chap decide to 
pick this thread and that follow up reply, may be I have upset a 
clueless troll who though that he would try it on...

On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 09:38:47 +0100, "Jerry" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID>
wrote:

>
>
>It's less off topic that the "Steam loco apparently abandoned in a 
>bush." thread, that should have been posted to the uk.railway group - 
>or at least prefixed 'OT:

I posted to both. included this group as if I had not gone to the
Model railway exhibition I would not have seen it,and there was a
chance that others who had seen it while visiting the venue in
previous years may have found out some thing about it.

G.Harman

Group etiquette is something learnt from experience ..... I personally
have no problem with occasional off topic posts ( get rich quick
schemes or ads for trainers etc. not included ) marked SOT,  OT  or
not !

With me it's not necessarily the finished article that's of most
interest but how it's done,  be it model making from scratch of
scenery etc.  Off topic post sometimes lead me to answers or even to
questions I have not even thought about.

Chris

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[ in reply to me ("Jerry") ]
>
> I posted to both. included this group as if I had not gone to the
> Model railway exhibition I would not have seen it,and there was a
> chance that others who had seen it while visiting the venue in
> previous years may have found out some thing about it.
>

I wasn't having a go at you, I just used your message as a 
demonstration that this thread seems to have been picked out for 
criticism.
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