Hello,

I am looking for suggestions other than cutting up pieses of lead that can 
be usde for adding extra weight to locomotives.

Thank you

Mark

On 12 Sep, 01:03, "Mark"  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I am looking for suggestions other than cutting up pieses of lead that can
> be usde for adding extra weight to locomotives.
>
> Thank you
>
> Mark

Nip down to your local 'Mr Tyre',   National Tyres or whatever your
retail outlet is called and ask for some of the scrap wheel balancing
weights.

They come in all different sizes, shapes and weights and with a bit of
a clean up can be stuck to loco's and / or rolling stock using double
sided pads.

Remember to add a donation to the workshop tea / coffee fund :-)

You could also use lead from a roofers merchant or a glass manufaturer 
too.

minted
> Nip down to your local 'Mr Tyre',   National Tyres or whatever your
> retail outlet is called and ask for some of the scrap wheel balancing
> weights.
> They come in all different sizes, shapes and weights and with a bit of
> a clean up can be stuck to loco's and / or rolling stock using double
> sided pads.
>
> Remember to add a donation to the workshop tea / coffee fund :-)

Mark wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I am looking for suggestions other than cutting up pieses of lead that 
> can be usde for adding extra weight to locomotives.

You can get lead balls which you can pour into suitable spaces and soak 
with with glue.



-- 
Arthur Figgis               Surrey, UK

Where do i get the lead balls from Arthur?



"Arthur Figgis" <afiggis@example.com.invalid> wrote in message 
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> Mark wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I am looking for suggestions other than cutting up pieses of lead that 
>> can be usde for adding extra weight to locomotives.
>
> You can get lead balls which you can pour into suitable spaces and soak 
> with with glue.
>
>
>
> -- 
> Arthur Figgis               Surrey, UK

On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 01:22:13 +0100, "Mark"  wrote:

>Where do i get the lead balls from Arthur?

A fishing supplies shop. 

They used to call it split shot. Used for clipping to the line to
weigh it down.

These days they might use something environmentally more acceptable,
but they'll still be heavy and designed for the same function.

An alternative in the USA is a gun shop. A lot of people pack their
own shot gun cartridges. I don't know if they do that in the UK.

Mark wrote:
> Where do i get the lead balls from Arthur?

Stands at model railway shows selling stuff like tools and electronic 
components often have it.

The bag I have is called "fluid lead", from Eileen's Emporium.

Obviously you need to be slightly careful with it, as it can get 
everywhere and it is probably best if the kids don't eat it...
-- 
Arthur Figgis               Surrey, UK

On Sep 13, 9:46 am, Arthur Figgis <afig...@example.com.invalid> wrote:
> Mark wrote:
> > Where do i get the lead balls from Arthur?
>
> Stands at model railway shows selling stuff like tools and electronic
> components often have it.
>
> The bag I have is called "fluid lead", from Eileen's Emporium.
>
> Obviously you need to be slightly careful with it, as it can get
> everywhere and it is probably best if the kids don't eat it...
> --
> Arthur Figgis               Surrey, UK

Also "liquid lead" I think Model Rail do it as one of the reader
offers. Be careful what you glue it with. I can't remember but I think
the moisture in PVA reacts with the lead and the result takes up more
volume than the original lead and can cause the model to distort.

On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 01:22:13 +0100, Mark wrote:

> Where do i get the lead balls from Arthur?
> 

In the US, you can buy shot for shotgun shells in various sizes.  Don't
know if you can in UK or not.

There was also a bismuth compound available that melted at a very low
temperature.  I don't recall the brand name.

Arthur Figgis wrote:
> Mark wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I am looking for suggestions other than cutting up pieses of lead
>> that can be usde for adding extra weight to locomotives.
>
> You can get lead balls which you can pour into suitable spaces and
> soak with with glue.

Beware of using PVA;  its been in the model press recently where the acidic 
components of PVA used to fix lead shot causes the oxidisation of the lead 
over a few years.  Lead oxide has a higher volume than lead, so the lump 
expands and splits the model open.

Melted candle wax was suggested as one method of fixing it.


The other issue to consider is packing density.  My friend (maths teacher) 
did the theory and experiment on packing density of lead balls (ie. how much 
space is the air gaps between the balls which are touching).  The net result 
is that a given volume is no heavier than solid brass, and there isn't a big 
advantage in using finer balls, they still have lots of space around them.


- Nigel



-- 
Nigel Cliffe,
Webmaster at http://www.2mm.org.uk/

"Nigel Cliffe"  wrote in message 
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> Arthur Figgis wrote:
>> Mark wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I am looking for suggestions other than cutting up pieses of lead
>>> that can be usde for adding extra weight to locomotives.
>>
>> You can get lead balls which you can pour into suitable spaces and
>> soak with with glue.
>
> Beware of using PVA;  its been in the model press recently where the 
> acidic components of PVA used to fix lead shot causes the oxidisation of 
> the lead over a few years.  Lead oxide has a higher volume than lead, so 
> the lump expands and splits the model open.
>
> Melted candle wax was suggested as one method of fixing it.
>
>
> The other issue to consider is packing density.  My friend (maths teacher) 
> did the theory and experiment on packing density of lead balls (ie. how 
> much space is the air gaps between the balls which are touching).  The net 
> result is that a given volume is no heavier than solid brass, and there 
> isn't a big advantage in using finer balls, they still have lots of space 
> around them.
>
>
> - Nigel
>
>
>
Cue the dodecahedron (spelling provisional) lead shot industry - Personally 
I have had success using crushed air-gun pellets, which I get from the local 
fishing shop - soft lead(?) you can shape them with a pair of pliers.  Mind 
you I am only using them to weight N Gauge wagons, so I usually only need a 
couple for the job.

Regards

Mike

google@sheerstock.fsnet.co.uk wrote:
> On Sep 13, 9:46 am, Arthur Figgis <afig...@example.com.invalid> wrote:
>> Mark wrote:
>>> Where do i get the lead balls from Arthur?
>> Stands at model railway shows selling stuff like tools and electronic
>> components often have it.
>>
>> The bag I have is called "fluid lead", from Eileen's Emporium.
>>
>> Obviously you need to be slightly careful with it, as it can get
>> everywhere and it is probably best if the kids don't eat it...
>> --
>> Arthur Figgis               Surrey, UK
> 
> Also "liquid lead" I think Model Rail do it as one of the reader
> offers. 

Could "liquid" and "fluid" be careful skirting around brand name laws 
for whichever came second?


> Be careful what you glue it with. I can't remember but I think
> the moisture in PVA reacts with the lead and the result takes up more
> volume than the original lead and can cause the model to distort.

One of my aeroplanes has burst its nose, so something happens. Also some 
glues can themselves do Bad Things to plastic.

-- 
Arthur Figgis               Surrey, UK

Mike Smith wrote:
> 
> "Nigel Cliffe"  wrote in message 
> news:gah173$t4c$1@news.albasani.net...
>> Arthur Figgis wrote:
>>> Mark wrote:
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> I am looking for suggestions other than cutting up pieses of lead
>>>> that can be usde for adding extra weight to locomotives.
>>>
>>> You can get lead balls which you can pour into suitable spaces and
>>> soak with with glue.
>>
>> Beware of using PVA;  its been in the model press recently where the 
>> acidic components of PVA used to fix lead shot causes the oxidisation 
>> of the lead over a few years.  Lead oxide has a higher volume than 
>> lead, so the lump expands and splits the model open.
>>
>> Melted candle wax was suggested as one method of fixing it.
>>
>>
>> The other issue to consider is packing density.  My friend (maths 
>> teacher) did the theory and experiment on packing density of lead 
>> balls (ie. how much space is the air gaps between the balls which are 
>> touching).  The net result is that a given volume is no heavier than 
>> solid brass, and there isn't a big advantage in using finer balls, 
>> they still have lots of space around them.
>>
>>
>> - Nigel
>>
>>
>>
> Cue the dodecahedron (spelling provisional) lead shot industry - 
> Personally I have had success using crushed air-gun pellets, which I get 
> from the local fishing shop - soft lead(?) you can shape them with a 
> pair of pliers.  Mind you I am only using them to weight N Gauge wagons, 
> so I usually only need a couple for the job.

There must be some Russians around who could do a deal on pre-owned 
depleted uranium?
-- 
Arthur Figgis               Surrey, UK

On 14 Sep, 01:01, Arthur Figgis <afig...@example.com.invalid> wrote:
> Mike Smith wrote:
>
> > "Nigel Cliffe"  wrote in message
> >news:gah173$t4c$1@news.albasani.net...
> >> Arthur Figgis wrote:
> >>> Mark wrote:
> >>>> Hello,
>
> >>>> I am looking for suggestions other than cutting up pieses of lead
> >>>> that can be usde for adding extra weight to locomotives.
>
> >>> You can get lead balls which you can pour into suitable spaces and
> >>> soak with with glue.
>
> >> Beware of using PVA;  its been in the model press recently where the
> >> acidic components of PVA used to fix lead shot causes the oxidisation
> >> of the lead over a few years.  Lead oxide has a higher volume than
> >> lead, so the lump expands and splits the model open.
>
> >> Melted candle wax was suggested as one method of fixing it.
>
> >> The other issue to consider is packing density.  My friend (maths
> >> teacher) did the theory and experiment on packing density of lead
> >> balls (ie. how much space is the air gaps between the balls which are
> >> touching).  The net result is that a given volume is no heavier than
> >> solid brass, and there isn't a big advantage in using finer balls,
> >> they still have lots of space around them.
>
> >> - Nigel
>
> > Cue the dodecahedron (spelling provisional) lead shot industry -
> > Personally I have had success using crushed air-gun pellets, which I get
> > from the local fishing shop - soft lead(?) you can shape them with a
> > pair of pliers.  Mind you I am only using them to weight N Gauge wagons,
> > so I usually only need a couple for the job.
>
> There must be some Russians around who could do a deal on pre-owned
> depleted uranium?
> --
> Arthur Figgis               Surrey, UK- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Glow in the dark model railway ?

Dragon Heart wrote:

>> There must be some Russians around who could do a deal on pre-owned
>> depleted uranium?
>> --
>> Arthur Figgis               Surrey, UK- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
> 
> Glow in the dark model railway ?

I know some people like to be as close as possible to their prototype, 
but modelling DRS flask trains with real uranium is going too far.

Can you get a 4mm Geiger counter?

Adrian

Adrian  wrote:
> Dragon Heart wrote:
> 
>>> There must be some Russians around who could do a deal on pre-owned
>>> depleted uranium?
>> 
>> Glow in the dark model railway ?
> 
> I know some people like to be as close as possible to their prototype, 
> but modelling DRS flask trains with real uranium is going too far.
> 
> Can you get a 4mm Geiger counter?

With DCC sound?

-- 
Martin S.

"Can you get a 4mm Geiger counter? "

"With DCC sound? "

Yes you can but apparently the batteries are hard to find and a bit
fiddley to fit :-

At least your DRS flask trains would not need any extra ballast,  even
empty !

Chris