Our son has been given a Hornby L6360 Blue Pacer.  It has motors in
both units but I can find nothing about it.

It also has the ref. S4533 on the underside.

DCC fitting ?

Spares Sheets ?

Any ideas ?

Chris

The early Hornby class 142 models  are not DCC ready so you would have to 
hard wire a decoder.
I think that the earlyer 142s ( pre china ) are easyer for chipping but they 
are not as good with the pickups, they have 3 pick ups per car, the china 
ones have 4 per car but getting around the wiring is a bit harder ( not much 
harder though ).
the latest 142s that have been made are dcc ready ( R2700 )
Try this page on the Hornby web site it may be helpfull for chipping
http://www.hornby.com/digital/guides/r2611-class-142-railbus-pacer,170,HAR.html
the service sheet is here for non dcc...
http://static.hornby.com/files/ss-233c-class-142-railbus-361.pdf
The DCC version
http://static.hornby.com/files/hss-319-dcc-railbus-class-142-370.pdf

regards
Misc

"Dragon Heart"  wrote in message 
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> Our son has been given a Hornby L6360 Blue Pacer.  It has motors in
> both units but I can find nothing about it.
>
> It also has the ref. S4533 on the underside.
>
> DCC fitting ?
>
> Spares Sheets ?
>
> Any ideas ?
>
> Chris

Thanks for that .... it will help a great deal.

The only problem is this model has TWO motors,  one in each car,  and
I understand quite rare ( that's probably both good & bad news ).

As one Hornby DCC chip will be unable two motors I will either have to
install two chips set to one code ( and reverse the wires on one ) or
simply disconnect one motor but the motors are the ones used in 0-6-0
loco's.

Again thanks for your help.

Chris

Hi again. If you were to remove a motor from one of the Vehicles the 
remaining motorised unit may need a little extra weight adding to it near 
the motor / cab end, because driving with one axel isnt that good and wheel 
slip could happen.
I think someone else who knows mor about DCC will be able to advise you more 
on running two motors and decoders / chips on one address, you may be better 
removing a motor than spending money on two chips, but someone who knows 
more will be best to advise you
Kindest Regards
Misc

"Dragon Heart"  wrote in message 
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> Thanks for that .... it will help a great deal.
>
> The only problem is this model has TWO motors,  one in each car,  and
> I understand quite rare ( that's probably both good & bad news ).
>
> As one Hornby DCC chip will be unable two motors I will either have to
> install two chips set to one code ( and reverse the wires on one ) or
> simply disconnect one motor but the motors are the ones used in 0-6-0
> loco's.
>
> Again thanks for your help.
>
> Chris

"Dragon Heart"  wrote in message
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[ context removed previously ]
> Thanks for that .... it will help a great deal.
>
> The only problem is this model has TWO motors,  one in each car,
> and
> I understand quite rare ( that's probably both good & bad news ).
>
> As one Hornby DCC chip will be unable two motors I will either have
> to

Would it not be possible to use a different make of DCC decoder, one 
with a higher rating?

> install two chips set to one code ( and reverse the wires on one )
> or

That would be the correct approach...

> simply disconnect one motor but the motors are the ones used in
> 0-6-0
> loco's.
>

...that would be the wrong approach - Hornby didn't fit two motors for
no good reason, IIRC the very early Pacers couldn't pull themselves
along (away from flat track) never mind the skin of a rice pudding!
-- 
Wikipedia: the Internet equivalent of
Hyde Park and 'speakers corner'...

On 31 Aug, 10:06, "Jerry" <INVA...@INVALID.INVALID> wrote:
> "Dragon Heart"  wrote in message
>
> news:faf448fe-d872-4754-b0cc-7524c1fe4b2d@x35g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>
> [ context removed previously ]
>
> > Thanks for that .... it will help a great deal.
>
> > The only problem is this model has TWO motors,  one in each car,
> > and
> > I understand quite rare ( that's probably both good & bad news ).
>
> > As one Hornby DCC chip will be unable two motors I will either have
> > to
>
> Would it not be possible to use a different make of DCC decoder, one
> with a higher rating?
>
> > install two chips set to one code ( and reverse the wires on one )
> > or
>
> That would be the correct approach...
>
> > simply disconnect one motor but the motors are the ones used in
> > 0-6-0
> > loco's.
>
> ...that would be the wrong approach - Hornby didn't fit two motors for
> no good reason, IIRC the very early Pacers couldn't pull themselves
> along (away from flat track) never mind the skin of a rice pudding!

Yes !  that thought did cross my mind .... they don't 'over engineer'
anything these days.

I assume the main problem is the lack of driving wheels.

Anyone got any ideas on the max. power drain for these type of
motors ?  The newer Hornby decoders might manage to take two of these
but can they cope with the variations in the motors ?

Could I replace the normal wheels with the rubber type as there is
still power pick up from the other wheels ?

This looks like a little project for the Winter .......

Chris

"Dragon Heart"  wrote

> The only problem is this model has TWO motors,  one in each car,  and
> I understand quite rare ( that's probably both good & bad news ).

All of the early Pacers had both cars motorised.

> As one Hornby DCC chip will be unable two motors I will either have to
> install two chips set to one code ( and reverse the wires on one ) or
> simply disconnect one motor but the motors are the ones used in 0-6-0
> loco's.

I can't see why you can't control both motors with one single decoder.  I 
can't believe either will draw much more than 1/10th amp, and all decoders 
should handle double that with ease.

John.

On 31 Aug, 18:28, "John Turner" <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> "Dragon Heart"  wrote
>
> > The only problem is this model has TWO motors,  one in each car,  and
> > I understand quite rare ( that's probably both good & bad news ).
>
> All of the early Pacers had both cars motorised.
>
> > As one Hornby DCC chip will be unable two motors I will either have to
> > install two chips set to one code ( and reverse the wires on one ) or
> > simply disconnect one motor but the motors are the ones used in 0-6-0
> > loco's.
>
> I can't see why you can't control both motors with one single decoder.  I
> can't believe either will draw much more than 1/10th amp, and all decoders
> should handle double that with ease.
>
II will give it a go John.

As the units are mirror images of each other I don't need to reverse
the wire do I ?

Chris

Dragon Heart  wrote:
> "John Turner" <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> "Dragon Heart"  wrote
>>
>> > The only problem is this model has TWO motors,  one in each car,  a
>> > nd I understand quite rare ( that's probably both good & bad news
>> > ). 
>>
>> All of the early Pacers had both cars motorised.
>>
>> > As one Hornby DCC chip will be unable two motors I will either have
>> > to install two chips set to one code ( and reverse the wires on one
>> > ) or simply disconnect one motor but the motors are the ones used
>> > in 0-6-0 loco's. 
>>
>> I can't see why you can't control both motors with one single
>> decoder.  I can't believe either will draw much more than 1/10th amp,
>> and all decoder s should handle double that with ease.
>>
> II will give it a go John.
> 
> As the units are mirror images of each other I don't need to reverse
> the wire do I ?

Depends if you want them to go in the same direction...

-- 
Martin S.

On 31 Aug, 21:00, MartinS <m...@my.place> wrote:
> Dragon Heart  wrote:
> > "John Turner" <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> >> "Dragon Heart"  wrote
>
> >> > The only problem is this model has TWO motors,  one in each car,  a
> >> > nd I understand quite rare ( that's probably both good & bad news
> >> > ).
>
> >> All of the early Pacers had both cars motorised.
>
> >> > As one Hornby DCC chip will be unable two motors I will either have
> >> > to install two chips set to one code ( and reverse the wires on one
> >> > ) or simply disconnect one motor but the motors are the ones used
> >> > in 0-6-0 loco's.
>
> >> I can't see why you can't control both motors with one single
> >> decoder.  I can't believe either will draw much more than 1/10th amp> >> and all decoder s should handle double that with ease.
>
> > II will give it a go John.
>
> > As the units are mirror images of each other I don't need to reverse
> > the wire do I ?
>
> Depends if you want them to go in the same direction...

Well it would help :-)

My thoughts at the moment are to use the existing wiring to the
'following' unit,  isolate the pick ups in that unit and use the wire
to connect from the decoder to the 2nd motor.

Yes !  I know that MAY cause problems with pick up but any additional
wiring may cause problems at the coupling.

Chris

"Dragon Heart"  wrote

> My thoughts at the moment are to use the existing wiring to the
> 'following' unit,  isolate the pick ups in that unit and use the wire
> to connect from the decoder to the 2nd motor.

> Yes !  I know that MAY cause problems with pick up but any additional
> wiring may cause problems at the coupling.

I think you're making a rod for your own back; you'll need all-wheel (or as 
close to that as possible) pick-up on this unit if you want anything near to 
decent running.

You're only talking about four wires between the two cars to get best 
possible performance - assuming of course that you're not planning on 
fitting directional lighting.

John.

Attached is the spares diagram for the Hornby pacer.

I have done several of these conversions for people who wish to remove
one of the motors. Later units and the DCC ready versions now only
have one motor fitted.

Use part X8448 to allow pick up from second unit via the coupling
(X8447 is optional if you wish to renew or replace the existing pick
ups) and wire the decoder in the normal way. You should be able to get
the required parts from your local Hornby Repairer (not necessarily
your local stockist!) or I can supply them for you they are under
£5.00.

The main problem is not the requirement of extra weight in the unit
from which you take the motor, but on the remaining powered unit. This
needs addtional weight to stop the wheels from skidding. I use stick
on wheel weights which are available from most tyre fitters stuck
under the chassis to avoid having to hack out the seating unit /
floor.

Hope this is useful,

Pete.

On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 15:41:33 -0700 (PDT), Dragon Heart
 wrote:

>On 31 Aug, 21:00, MartinS <m...@my.place> wrote:
>> Dragon Heart  wrote:
>> > "John Turner" <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> >> "Dragon Heart"  wrote
>>
>> >> > The only problem is this model has TWO motors,  one in each car,  a
>> >> > nd I understand quite rare ( that's probably both good & bad news
>> >> > ).
>>
>> >> All of the early Pacers had both cars motorised.
>>
>> >> > As one Hornby DCC chip will be unable two motors I will either have
>> >> > to install two chips set to one code ( and reverse the wires on one
>> >> > ) or simply disconnect one motor but the motors are the ones used
>> >> > in 0-6-0 loco's.
>>
>> >> I can't see why you can't control both motors with one single
>> >> decoder.  I can't believe either will draw much more than 1/10th amp,
>> >> and all decoder s should handle double that with ease.
>>
>> > II will give it a go John.
>>
>> > As the units are mirror images of each other I don't need to reverse
>> > the wire do I ?
>>
>> Depends if you want them to go in the same direction...
>
>Well it would help :-)
>
>My thoughts at the moment are to use the existing wiring to the
>'following' unit,  isolate the pick ups in that unit and use the wire
>to connect from the decoder to the 2nd motor.
>
>Yes !  I know that MAY cause problems with pick up but any additional
>wiring may cause problems at the coupling.
>
>Chris

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> Attached is the spares diagram for the Hornby pacer.
>

No there isn't, this is not a binary group you pizzle head...

I suggest that you find a clue before someone files a complain about 
your abuse of Usenet to abuse@demon.net, meaning that you stand a real 
chance of having your ISP/domain cancelled.
-- 
 "You obviously couldn't get a clue if you rolled in clue
 musk and performed the clue mating dance in the middle
 of a field full of horny clues at the height of the
 clue mating season!"

On Sep 2, 11:38 am, "Jerry" <INVA...@INVALID.INVALID> wrote:
>  wrote in message
>
> news:nj5qb4tbn4vm1btltm1ckej2oq28j4immu@4ax.com...
>
> > Attached is the spares diagram for the Hornby pacer.
>
> No there isn't, this is not a binary group you pizzle head...
>
> I suggest that you find a clue before someone files a complain about
> your abuse of Usenet to ab...@demon.net, meaning that you stand a real
> chance of having your ISP/domain cancelled.

Oh, FFS! Grow up!

MBQ

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> Grow up!


Yes, I wish you would, and whilst you're about it find a clue as to 
how Usenet and NNTP servers work. But then you *are* a Goggle 
'groupie', so you probably think that Usenet is a web forum!
-- 
 "You obviously couldn't get a clue if you rolled in clue
 musk and performed the clue mating dance in the middle
 of a field full of horny clues at the height of the
 clue mating season!"

Jerry wrote:
>  wrote in message 
> news:nj5qb4tbn4vm1btltm1ckej2oq28j4immu@4ax.com...
>> Attached is the spares diagram for the Hornby pacer.
>>
> 
> No there isn't, this is not a binary group you pizzle head...
> 
> I suggest that you find a clue before someone files a complain about 
> your abuse of Usenet to abuse@demon.net, meaning that you stand a real 
> chance of having your ISP/domain cancelled.

Steady on there, this isn't the uk.transport group.
-- 
Bruce Fletcher
Stronsay, Orkney UK
<http://preview.tinyurl.com/3b54af>

That's strange you abuse excuse for a human being. Iit came up on
reader. Why don't you ask your father (if you know who it is ) if you
can borrow one of his razor blades and go sit on the railway and play
with it.


On Tue, 2 Sep 2008 11:38:50 +0100, "Jerry" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID>
wrote:

>
> wrote in message 
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>> Attached is the spares diagram for the Hornby pacer.
>>
>
>No there isn't, this is not a binary group you pizzle head...
>
>I suggest that you find a clue before someone files a complain about 
>your abuse of Usenet to abuse@demon.net, meaning that you stand a real 
>chance of having your ISP/domain cancelled.

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<snip>
Why don't you ask your father (if you know who it is )

Sorry, but I'm not an ignorant bastard like you...
-- 
 "You obviously couldn't get a clue if you rolled in clue
 musk and performed the clue mating dance in the middle
 of a field full of horny clues at the height of the
 clue mating season!"

On Sep 2, 12:30 pm, "Jerry" <INVA...@INVALID.INVALID> wrote:
>  wrote in message
>
> news:ef2d4fc8-c8ae-4708-8004-13abdbb05e3a@l42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Grow up!
>
> Yes, I wish you would, and whilst you're about it find a clue as to
> how Usenet and NNTP servers work. But then you *are* a Goggle
> 'groupie', so you probably think that Usenet is a web forum!
> --
>  "You obviously couldn't get a clue if you rolled in clue
>  musk and performed the clue mating dance in the middle
>  of a field full of horny clues at the height of the
>  clue mating season!"

Just keep taking the tablets.

MBQ

On 2 Sep, 09:12, "John Turner" <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> "Dragon Heart"  wrote
>
> > My thoughts at the moment are to use the existing wiring to the
> > 'following' unit,  isolate the pick ups in that unit and use the wire
> > to connect from the decoder to the 2nd motor.
> > Yes !  I know that MAY cause problems with pick up but any additional
> > wiring may cause problems at the coupling.
>
> I think you're making a rod for your own back; you'll need all-wheel (or as
> close to that as possible) pick-up on this unit if you want anything near to
> decent running.
>
> You're only talking about four wires between the two cars to get best
> possible performance - assuming of course that you're not planning on
> fitting directional lighting.
>

Rightly or wrongly I am basing my experience on the tender driven
Mallard I converted to Zero1 many years ago.  The decoder was too big
to fit in the tender so they used to suggest putting the wires through
an opening you made in the firebox and had the decoder in the loco
body.  The additional stiffness of the wiring used to cause problems
with derailments.  With the Pacer being so light I thought this would
increase the problem.

So after some thought I am going with your option John.

I already have some old tyre balancing weights from the local garage
which I have used in my home made track cleaner so I can add these if
the weight problem of the Pacer is am issue.

No I am not planning on fitting directional lighting,  unless his nibs
asks for some,  but they will have to wait.

Thanks one and all

Chris

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<snip>

> Just keep taking the tablets.

The best advice your doctor could give, considering that Doctors can't 
help their patients with self-euthanasia...
-- 
 "You obviously couldn't get a clue if you rolled in clue
 musk and performed the clue mating dance in the middle
 of a field full of horny clues at the height of the
 clue mating season!"

Jerry wrote:
>  wrote in message 
> news:ef2d4fc8-c8ae-4708-8004-13abdbb05e3a@l42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> 
>> Grow up!
> 
> 
> Yes, I wish you would, and whilst you're about it find a clue as to 
> how Usenet and NNTP servers work. But then you *are* a Goggle 
> 'groupie'

What is so wrong about being a fan of Czech Class 754 diesel locomotives?

>, so you probably think that Usenet is a web forum!


-- 
Arthur Figgis               Surrey, UK

"Dragon Heart"  wrote

> Rightly or wrongly I am basing my experience on the tender driven
> Mallard I converted to Zero1 many years ago.  The decoder was too big
> to fit in the tender so they used to suggest putting the wires through
> an opening you made in the firebox and had the decoder in the loco
> body.  The additional stiffness of the wiring used to cause problems
> with derailments.

You need to used soft thin wire - end of stiffness problem.  Look at the 
wires fitted to the decoders themselves and look for something similar.

John.

In message 
          "John Turner" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> 
> "Dragon Heart"  wrote
> 
> > Rightly or wrongly I am basing my experience on the tender driven
> > Mallard I converted to Zero1 many years ago.  The decoder was too big
> > to fit in the tender so they used to suggest putting the wires through
> > an opening you made in the firebox and had the decoder in the loco
> > body.  The additional stiffness of the wiring used to cause problems
> > with derailments.
> 
> You need to used soft thin wire - end of stiffness problem.  Look at the 
> wires fitted to the decoders themselves and look for something similar.
> 

There's extermely pliable cable available for use with flexible PCB's
(or that's what we used it for) - admittedly only in pink! Farnell
used to do it (some yearss ago though!). Quite expensive back then.

> John.
> 

Cheers
Richard

-- 
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              I have become... comfortably numb

On Sep 2, 3:54 pm, "Jerry" <INVA...@INVALID.INVALID> wrote:
> considering that Doctors can't
> help their patients with self-euthanasia...

If that's what you want, why didn't you say. The Dignitas clinic in
Zurich is that way --->

MBQ

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On Sep 2, 3:54 pm, "Jerry" <INVA...@INVALID.INVALID> wrote:
>> considering that Doctors can't
>> help their patients with self-euthanasia...

> If that's what you want, why didn't you say. The Dignitas
> clinic in Zurich is that way --->

Take you own advice, after all you know it makes sense...
-- 
 "You obviously couldn't get a clue if you rolled in clue
 musk and performed the clue mating dance in the middle
 of a field full of horny clues at the height of the
 clue mating season!"