Visited Louth (North Lincolnshire) today, and made my way to J & N Models 
for my adrenalin shot whilst my better half was clothes shopping, to find 
the shop closed and business obviously 'folded'.
A great pity as it wasn't a bad litle business, even Bachmann retailer of 
the year a few years ago.

Yes Neil & Jill Gladwin only started trading in 2004 and got the
“Bachmann Retailer Of The Year” award in 2005.

http://www.bachmann.co.uk/doy_history.php4

"Dragon Heart"  wrote in message 
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Yes Neil & Jill Gladwin only started trading in 2004 and got the
“Bachmann Retailer Of The Year” award in 2005.

http://www.bachmann.co.uk/doy_history.php4

Perhaps they spent a HUGE amount of money with Bachmann in 2004/5 and then 
found it didn't sell through?
-- 
Brian
"Fight like the Devil, die like a gentleman."

"Brian Watson"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Dragon Heart"  wrote in message 
> news:4d190634-8cd7-4e02-b391-bcf772ea7e50@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> Yes Neil & Jill Gladwin only started trading in 2004 and got the
> “Bachmann Retailer Of The Year” award in 2005.
>
> http://www.bachmann.co.uk/doy_history.php4
>
> Perhaps they spent a HUGE amount of money with Bachmann in 2004/5 and then 
> found it didn't sell through?
> -- 
> Brian
> "Fight like the Devil, die like a gentleman."
or placed a huge order and it was never delivered

Cheers,
Simon

Less than a year ago, they moved from a smallish unit in the local market 
hall, to a larger one, which they never quite seemed to fill. I wonder if 
this was the turning point? Increased rent and council rates ??
It's a great pity as they are a lovely couple and I will miss my area of 
tranquility whilst my wife was shopping. I had just started to be able to 
buy a bit from them. Just hope an even smaller shop even closer to home 
dosen't do the same. At least I've got one or two within striking distance, 
which will be more than some of you guys (and lassies!) have, no doubt.


"simon"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Brian Watson"  wrote in message 
> news:6fktsfFc3f4iU1@mid.individual.net...
>>
>> "Dragon Heart"  wrote in message 
>> news:4d190634-8cd7-4e02-b391-bcf772ea7e50@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>> Yes Neil & Jill Gladwin only started trading in 2004 and got the
>> "Bachmann Retailer Of The Year" award in 2005.
>>
>> http://www.bachmann.co.uk/doy_history.php4
>>
>> Perhaps they spent a HUGE amount of money with Bachmann in 2004/5 and 
>> then found it didn't sell through?
>> -- 
>> Brian
>> "Fight like the Devil, die like a gentleman."
> or placed a huge order and it was never delivered
>
> Cheers,
> Simon
>

In message 
          "Keith J Patrick"  wrote:

> Less than a year ago, they moved from a smallish unit in the local market 
> hall, to a larger one, which they never quite seemed to fill. I wonder if 
> this was the turning point? Increased rent and council rates ??
> It's a great pity as they are a lovely couple and I will miss my area of 
> tranquility whilst my wife was shopping. I had just started to be able to 
> buy a bit from them. Just hope an even smaller shop even closer to home 
> dosen't do the same. At least I've got one or two within striking distance, 
> which will be more than some of you guys (and lassies!) have, no doubt.
> 

I've never met them, but if they have failed I feel for them - loosing
your business is an intensley personal thing - at least on a par with
loosing a child. Those who havan't had the pleasure will never 
understand.

It just goes to show that supporting your local shop, even if they 
do cost a bit more, is worthwhile if you like to browse. I'd dearly
love to have a local model shop at all...... one doing O would be
even better.

Cheers
Richard 


> 
> "simon"  wrote in message 
> news:HuKdnR3CkOzPiQvVnZ2dnUVZ8uCdnZ2d@bt.com...
> >
> > "Brian Watson"  wrote in message 
> > news:6fktsfFc3f4iU1@mid.individual.net...
> >>
> >> "Dragon Heart"  wrote in message 
> >> news:4d190634-8cd7-4e02-b391-bcf772ea7e50@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> >> Yes Neil & Jill Gladwin only started trading in 2004 and got the
> >> "Bachmann Retailer Of The Year" award in 2005.
> >>
> >> http://www.bachmann.co.uk/doy_history.php4
> >>
> >> Perhaps they spent a HUGE amount of money with Bachmann in 2004/5 and 
> >> then found it didn't sell through?
> >> -- 
> >> Brian
> >> "Fight like the Devil, die like a gentleman."
> > or placed a huge order and it was never delivered
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Simon
> > 
> 
> 

-- 
www.beamends-lrspares.co.uk       sales@beamends-lrspares.co.uk
              I have become... comfortably numb

"beamendsltd"  wrote in message 
news:84ea84c94f%beamendsltd@btconnect.com...
> In message 
>          "Keith J Patrick"  wrote:
>
>> Less than a year ago, they moved from a smallish unit in the local market
>> hall, to a larger one, which they never quite seemed to fill. I wonder if
>> this was the turning point? Increased rent and council rates ??
>> It's a great pity as they are a lovely couple and I will miss my area of
>> tranquility whilst my wife was shopping. I had just started to be able to
>> buy a bit from them. Just hope an even smaller shop even closer to home
>> dosen't do the same. At least I've got one or two within striking 
>> distance,
>> which will be more than some of you guys (and lassies!) have, no doubt.
>>
>
> I've never met them, but if they have failed I feel for them - loosing
> your business is an intensley personal thing - at least on a par with
> loosing a child. Those who havan't had the pleasure will never
> understand.
>
> It just goes to show that supporting your local shop, even if they
> do cost a bit more, is worthwhile if you like to browse. I'd dearly
> love to have a local model shop at all...... one doing O would be
> even better.
>
> Cheers
> Richard
>
>
>>
>> "simon"  wrote in message
>> news:HuKdnR3CkOzPiQvVnZ2dnUVZ8uCdnZ2d@bt.com...
>> >
>> > "Brian Watson"  wrote in message
>> > news:6fktsfFc3f4iU1@mid.individual.net...
>> >>
>> >> "Dragon Heart"  wrote in message
>> >> news:4d190634-8cd7-4e02-b391-bcf772ea7e50@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>> >> Yes Neil & Jill Gladwin only started trading in 2004 and got the
>> >> "Bachmann Retailer Of The Year" award in 2005.
>> >>
>> >> http://www.bachmann.co.uk/doy_history.php4
>> >>
>> >> Perhaps they spent a HUGE amount of money with Bachmann in 2004/5 and
>> >> then found it didn't sell through?
>> >> -- 
>> >> Brian
>> >> "Fight like the Devil, die like a gentleman."
>> > or placed a huge order and it was never delivered
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Simon
>> >
>>
>>
>
> -- 
> www.beamends-lrspares.co.uk       sales@beamends-lrspares.co.uk
>              I have become... comfortably numb

as one drops another opens. Theres a (relatively) new one in loughborogh 
now. Met them at GCR yesterday, nice people, good prices etc.

Cheers,
Simon

On 4 Aug, 19:49, "simon"  wrote:
> "beamendsltd"  wrote in message
>
> news:84ea84c94f%beamendsltd@btconnect.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > In message 
> >          "Keith J Patrick"  wrote:
>
> >> Less than a year ago, they moved from a smallish unit in the local market
> >> hall, to a larger one, which they never quite seemed to fill. I wonder if
> >> this was the turning point? Increased rent and council rates ??
> >> It's a great pity as they are a lovely couple and I will miss my area of
> >> tranquility whilst my wife was shopping. I had just started to be able to
> >> buy a bit from them. Just hope an even smaller shop even closer to home
> >> dosen't do the same. At least I've got one or two within striking
> >> distance,
> >> which will be more than some of you guys (and lassies!) have, no doubt> > I've never met them, but if they have failed I feel for them - loosing
> > your business is an intensley personal thing - at least on a par with
> > loosing a child. Those who havan't had the pleasure will never
> > understand.
>
> > It just goes to show that supporting your local shop, even if they
> > do cost a bit more, is worthwhile if you like to browse. I'd dearly
> > love to have a local model shop at all...... one doing O would be
> > even better.
>
> > Cheers
> > Richard
>
> >> "simon"  wrote in message
> >>news:HuKdnR3CkOzPiQvVnZ2dnUVZ8uCdnZ2d@bt.com...
>
> >> > "Brian Watson"  wrote in message
> >> >news:6fktsfFc3f4iU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> >> >> "Dragon Heart"  wrote in message
> >> >>news:4d190634-8cd7-4e02-b391-bcf772ea7e50@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> >> >> Yes Neil & Jill Gladwin only started trading in 2004 and got the
> >> >> "Bachmann Retailer Of The Year" award in 2005.
>
> >> >>http://www.bachmann.co.uk/doy_history.php4
>
> >> >> Perhaps they spent a HUGE amount of money with Bachmann in 2004/5 and
> >> >> then found it didn't sell through?
> >> >> --
> >> >> Brian
> >> >> "Fight like the Devil, die like a gentleman."
> >> > or placed a huge order and it was never delivered
>
> >> > Cheers,
> >> > Simon
>
> > --
> >www.beamends-lrspares.co.uk      sa...@beamends-lrspares.co.uk
> >              I have become... comfortably numb
>
> as one drops another opens. Theres a (relatively) new one in loughborogh
> now. Met them at GCR yesterday, nice people, good prices etc.

Where in Loughborough & name ?

Chris

On 4 Aug, 11:11, beamendsltd  wrote:
> In message 
>           "Keith J Patrick"  wrote:
>
> > Less than a year ago, they moved from a smallish unit in the local market
> > hall, to a larger one, which they never quite seemed to fill. I wonder if
> > this was the turning point? Increased rent and council rates ??
> > It's a great pity as they are a lovely couple and I will miss my area of
> > tranquility whilst my wife was shopping. I had just started to be able to
> > buy a bit from them. Just hope an even smaller shop even closer to home
> > dosen't do the same. At least I've got one or two within striking distance,
> > which will be more than some of you guys (and lassies!) have, no doubt.
>
> I've never met them, but if they have failed I feel for them - loosing
> your business is an intensley personal thing - at least on a par with
> loosing a child. Those who havan't had the pleasure will never
> understand.
>
> It just goes to show that supporting your local shop, even if they
> do cost a bit more, is worthwhile if you like to browse. I'd dearly
> love to have a local model shop at all...... one doing O would be
> even better.

It's OK saying 'support your local shop' but not all model shops
support you !

These comments have been aired on this forum previously,  some by
myself,  but some model shop owners / assistants are not people sort
of people and some are out & out child / novice unfriendly.

Some have not / will not move with the times ( admittedly some can't
afford to ).  Some look / are grubby and the stock is old with the
box's yellowing with age.

It looks like the Gladwin's tried to upgrade but for some reason
failed.

In my old home town the town centre has moved several times in my
lifetime.  Have your new shop in the wrong place and you will get NO
passing trade.  The old market stalls now cost a fortune to rent,  our
own market place has been deserted by the stakeholders and they have
returned back to the old original market place.

I know only too well running a small business is a 24/7 task,
sometimes with little or nothing to show for your hard work but in
order to survive you need to give the customer what they want and in
this day and age it's down to price for the vast majority of the
sales.  You want something 'special' you expect to pay more.

Yes support your local good model shops but also support your local
club if you can .... it may soon be the only place you can get help &
advice !

Chris

"Dragon Heart"  wrote in message 
news:49a3e79a-536f-4c06-9c5a-a2d01bf5ca79@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On 4 Aug, 19:49, "simon"  wrote:
> as one drops another opens. Theres a (relatively) new one in loughborogh
> now. Met them at GCR yesterday, nice people, good prices etc.

Where in Loughborough & name ?

Chris

Meadow Lane. http://www.loughboroughmodelcentre.com/
Theyll be at Donington this sunday.
Theyre very child friendly - his nibs spent about half an hour playing with 
their youngsters.

Cheers,
Simon

In message 
          Dragon Heart  wrote:

> On 4 Aug, 11:11, beamendsltd  wrote:
> > In message 
> >           "Keith J Patrick"  wrote:
> >
> > > Less than a year ago, they moved from a smallish unit in the local market
> > > hall, to a larger one, which they never quite seemed to fill. I wonder if
> > > this was the turning point? Increased rent and council rates ??
> > > It's a great pity as they are a lovely couple and I will miss my area of
> > > tranquility whilst my wife was shopping. I had just started to be able to
> > > buy a bit from them. Just hope an even smaller shop even closer to home
> > > dosen't do the same. At least I've got one or two within striking distance,
> > > which will be more than some of you guys (and lassies!) have, no doubt.
> >
> > I've never met them, but if they have failed I feel for them - loosing
> > your business is an intensley personal thing - at least on a par with
> > loosing a child. Those who havan't had the pleasure will never
> > understand.
> >
> > It just goes to show that supporting your local shop, even if they
> > do cost a bit more, is worthwhile if you like to browse. I'd dearly
> > love to have a local model shop at all...... one doing O would be
> > even better.
> 
> It's OK saying 'support your local shop' but not all model shops
> support you !
> 
> These comments have been aired on this forum previously,  some by
> myself,  but some model shop owners / assistants are not people sort
> of people and some are out & out child / novice unfriendly.
> 
> Some have not / will not move with the times ( admittedly some can't
> afford to ).  Some look / are grubby and the stock is old with the
> box's yellowing with age.
> 
> It looks like the Gladwin's tried to upgrade but for some reason
> failed.
> 
> In my old home town the town centre has moved several times in my
> lifetime.  Have your new shop in the wrong place and you will get NO
> passing trade.  The old market stalls now cost a fortune to rent,  our
> own market place has been deserted by the stakeholders and they have
> returned back to the old original market place.
> 
> I know only too well running a small business is a 24/7 task,
> sometimes with little or nothing to show for your hard work but in
> order to survive you need to give the customer what they want and in
> this day and age it's down to price for the vast majority of the
> sales.  You want something 'special' you expect to pay more.
> 
> Yes support your local good model shops but also support your local
> club if you can .... it may soon be the only place you can get help &
> advice !
> 
> Chris

Well, each unto their own, but if a shop cannot sell stuff they 
will never have the new stuff in, and closure becomes a self-fulfilling
prophecy. If revenue does not support "modernisation" or keeping 
up-to-date stock then effectively boycotting the shop will simply 
hasten the end. With the huge range of, particularly 00, stuff 
available these days there is no chance of anyone stocking everything.
The overall decline in numbers of modellers and consequent
downward pressure on margins, coupled with a seemingly ever increasing
rate of product launches (thereby devaluing stock already held) makes 
keeping stock on the shelf even worse, or even dangerous.
The question is does one want to pay a premium, or rather not 
get a discount, for a local shop or not I suppose. Use it or lose 
it as they say - but don't expect "the big boys" to stock that 
interesting or obscure little bit you need. Since we packed in 
mail-order I get two or three calls a day *pleading* to be sent 
some bit that no one else lists, but sadly these are usually the 
same people who automatically click on Scroggins web site for the 
routine stuff - even when Scroggins are NOT the cheapest.
As an aside, since we stopped mail order turnover has nearly doubled,
which goes to show how much of a distraction and drain on resources
mail-order is to a business trying to do both....

I fear clubs have some way to go in attracting new, particularly
younger, blood, for the reasons that get aired regularly on the 
various web sites and forums. For myself I prefer the web for 
info as one gets a much wider range of opinions rather than "percieved
wisdom" - akin to a brain-strorming session over than a lecture!

Cheers
Richard 

-- 
www.beamends-lrspares.co.uk       sales@beamends-lrspares.co.uk
              I have become... comfortably numb

Keith J Patrick wrote:
> Less than a year ago, they moved from a smallish unit in the local market 
> hall, to a larger one, which they never quite seemed to fill. I wonder if 
> this was the turning point? Increased rent and council rates ??
> It's a great pity as they are a lovely couple and I will miss my area of 
> tranquility whilst my wife was shopping. I had just started to be able to 
> buy a bit from them. Just hope an even smaller shop even closer to home 
> dosen't do the same. At least I've got one or two within striking distance, 
> which will be more than some of you guys (and lassies!) have, no doubt.
> 
> 
> "simon"  wrote in message 
> news:HuKdnR3CkOzPiQvVnZ2dnUVZ8uCdnZ2d@bt.com...
>> "Brian Watson"  wrote in message 
>> news:6fktsfFc3f4iU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> "Dragon Heart"  wrote in message 
>>> news:4d190634-8cd7-4e02-b391-bcf772ea7e50@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>>> Yes Neil & Jill Gladwin only started trading in 2004 and got the
>>> "Bachmann Retailer Of The Year" award in 2005.
>>>
>>> http://www.bachmann.co.uk/doy_history.php4
>>>
>>> Perhaps they spent a HUGE amount of money with Bachmann in 2004/5 and 
>>> then found it didn't sell through?
>>> -- 
>>> Brian
>>> "Fight like the Devil, die like a gentleman."
>> or placed a huge order and it was never delivered
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Simon
>>
> 
> 
Same thing happened to a shop in Gosport in the 1980's opened in a small 
shop then a couple of years later moved to a much bigger store and 
within a year or so closed down.

Chris

On 4 Aug, 22:53, "simon"  wrote:
> "Dragon Heart"  wrote in message
>
> news:49a3e79a-536f-4c06-9c5a-a2d01bf5ca79@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> On 4 Aug, 19:49, "simon"  wrote:
>
> > as one drops another opens. Theres a (relatively) new one in loughborogh
> > now. Met them at GCR yesterday, nice people, good prices etc.
>
> Where in Loughborough & name ?
>
> Chris
>
> Meadow Lane.http://www.loughboroughmodelcentre.com/
> Theyll be at Donington this sunday.
> Theyre very child friendly - his nibs spent about half an hour playing with
> their youngsters.
>
Thanks Simon

.... 'er indoors went for a bit of R & R and went to have her hair
done so I was in charge of his nibs.  We walked around town,  did a
bit of shopping etc. and he was really good ( he does have autism ) so
as a reward,  but against my better judgement,  we visited our local
model shop.

They close at 1.15 for lunch but we arrived at 1 pm.  The wife
suggested we get him a treat of a loco or some rolling stock so I was
bending down looking at the display cabinet and the owner put the
lights out !   It was only 1.05 !

Support him ?  You have to be joking !!!!!!

Chris

On 5 Aug, 10:27, beamendsltd  wrote:
> In message 
>           Dragon Heart  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 4 Aug, 11:11, beamendsltd  wrote:
> > > In message 
> > >           "Keith J Patrick"  wrote:
>
> > > > Less than a year ago, they moved from a smallish unit in the local market
> > > > hall, to a larger one, which they never quite seemed to fill. I wonder if
> > > > this was the turning point? Increased rent and council rates ??
> > > > It's a great pity as they are a lovely couple and I will miss my area of
> > > > tranquility whilst my wife was shopping. I had just started to be able to
> > > > buy a bit from them. Just hope an even smaller shop even closer to home
> > > > dosen't do the same. At least I've got one or two within striking distance,
> > > > which will be more than some of you guys (and lassies!) have, no doubt.
>
> > > I've never met them, but if they have failed I feel for them - loosing
> > > your business is an intensley personal thing - at least on a par with
> > > loosing a child. Those who havan't had the pleasure will never
> > > understand.
>
> > > It just goes to show that supporting your local shop, even if they
> > > do cost a bit more, is worthwhile if you like to browse. I'd dearly
> > > love to have a local model shop at all...... one doing O would be
> > > even better.
>
> > It's OK saying 'support your local shop' but not all model shops
> > support you !
>
> > These comments have been aired on this forum previously,  some by
> > myself,  but some model shop owners / assistants are not people sort
> > of people and some are out & out child / novice unfriendly.
>
> > Some have not / will not move with the times ( admittedly some can't
> > afford to ).  Some look / are grubby and the stock is old with the
> > box's yellowing with age.
>
> > It looks like the Gladwin's tried to upgrade but for some reason
> > failed.
>
> > In my old home town the town centre has moved several times in my
> > lifetime.  Have your new shop in the wrong place and you will get NO
> > passing trade.  The old market stalls now cost a fortune to rent,  our
> > own market place has been deserted by the stakeholders and they have
> > returned back to the old original market place.
>
> > I know only too well running a small business is a 24/7 task,
> > sometimes with little or nothing to show for your hard work but in
> > order to survive you need to give the customer what they want and in
> > this day and age it's down to price for the vast majority of the
> > sales.  You want something 'special' you expect to pay more.
>
> > Yes support your local good model shops but also support your local
> > club if you can .... it may soon be the only place you can get help &
> > advice !
>
> > Chris
>
> Well, each unto their own, but if a shop cannot sell stuff they
> will never have the new stuff in, and closure becomes a self-fulfilling
> prophecy. If revenue does not support "modernisation" or keeping
> up-to-date stock then effectively boycotting the shop will simply
> hasten the end. With the huge range of, particularly 00, stuff
> available these days there is no chance of anyone stocking everything.
> The overall decline in numbers of modellers and consequent
> downward pressure on margins, coupled with a seemingly ever increasing
> rate of product launches (thereby devaluing stock already held) makes
> keeping stock on the shelf even worse, or even dangerous.
> The question is does one want to pay a premium, or rather not
> get a discount, for a local shop or not I suppose. Use it or lose
> it as they say - but don't expect "the big boys" to stock that
> interesting or obscure little bit you need. Since we packed in
> mail-order I get two or three calls a day *pleading* to be sent
> some bit that no one else lists, but sadly these are usually the
> same people who automatically click on Scroggins web site for the
> routine stuff - even when Scroggins are NOT the cheapest.
> As an aside, since we stopped mail order turnover has nearly doubled,
> which goes to show how much of a distraction and drain on resources
> mail-order is to a business trying to do both....
>
> I fear clubs have some way to go in attracting new, particularly
> younger, blood, for the reasons that get aired regularly on the
> various web sites and forums. For myself I prefer the web for
> info as one gets a much wider range of opinions rather than "percieved
> wisdom" - akin to a brain-strorming session over than a lecture!
>
> Cheers
> Richard
>
> --www.beamends-lrspares.co.uk      sa...@beamends-lrspares.co.uk
>               I have become... comfortably numb- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I fully agree Richard BUT ( and not wishing to sound harsh ) that's
business !

I take it independent model shops get little or no support off the
manufacturers ?

If not then I suggest the manufacturers feel they don't need you ?

Model electrical components appear to be moving,  regrettably,
towards the 'throw away society'.

Chris

"Dragon Heart"  wrote in message 
news:def2835d-c358-4f14-8725-c506f50818a6@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On 4 Aug, 22:53, "simon"  wrote:
>> "Dragon Heart"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:49a3e79a-536f-4c06-9c5a-a2d01bf5ca79@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>> On 4 Aug, 19:49, "simon"  wrote:
>>
>> > as one drops another opens. Theres a (relatively) new one in 
>> > loughborogh
>> > now. Met them at GCR yesterday, nice people, good prices etc.
>>
>> Where in Loughborough & name ?
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> Meadow Lane.http://www.loughboroughmodelcentre.com/
>> Theyll be at Donington this sunday.
>> Theyre very child friendly - his nibs spent about half an hour playing 
>> with
>> their youngsters.
>>
> Thanks Simon
>
> .... 'er indoors went for a bit of R & R and went to have her hair
> done so I was in charge of his nibs.  We walked around town,  did a
> bit of shopping etc. and he was really good ( he does have autism ) so
> as a reward,  but against my better judgement,  we visited our local
> model shop.
>
> They close at 1.15 for lunch but we arrived at 1 pm.  The wife
> suggested we get him a treat of a loco or some rolling stock so I was
> bending down looking at the display cabinet and the owner put the
> lights out !   It was only 1.05 !
>
> Support him ?  You have to be joking !!!!!!
>
> Chris

there are ways of hinting it would be nice to go early for some reason and 
there are ways of hinting that someones not bothered about your custom.

My mother could stun a customer at 30 ft with just a look. They would 
apologise for interrupting and promise to return at a more convenient time. 
:-)

Cheers,
Simon

In message 
          Dragon Heart  wrote:

> On 5 Aug, 10:27, beamendsltd  wrote:
> > In message 
> >           Dragon Heart  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On 4 Aug, 11:11, beamendsltd  wrote:
> > > > In message 
> > > >           "Keith J Patrick"  wrote:
> >
> > > > > Less than a year ago, they moved from a smallish unit in the local market
> > > > > hall, to a larger one, which they never quite seemed to fill. I wonder if
> > > > > this was the turning point? Increased rent and council rates ??
> > > > > It's a great pity as they are a lovely couple and I will miss my area of
> > > > > tranquility whilst my wife was shopping. I had just started to be able to
> > > > > buy a bit from them. Just hope an even smaller shop even closer to home
> > > > > dosen't do the same. At least I've got one or two within striking distance,
> > > > > which will be more than some of you guys (and lassies!) have, no doubt.
> >
> > > > I've never met them, but if they have failed I feel for them - loosing
> > > > your business is an intensley personal thing - at least on a par with
> > > > loosing a child. Those who havan't had the pleasure will never
> > > > understand.
> >
> > > > It just goes to show that supporting your local shop, even if they
> > > > do cost a bit more, is worthwhile if you like to browse. I'd dearly
> > > > love to have a local model shop at all...... one doing O would be
> > > > even better.
> >
> > > It's OK saying 'support your local shop' but not all model shops
> > > support you !
> >
> > > These comments have been aired on this forum previously,  some by
> > > myself,  but some model shop owners / assistants are not people sort
> > > of people and some are out & out child / novice unfriendly.
> >
> > > Some have not / will not move with the times ( admittedly some can't
> > > afford to ).  Some look / are grubby and the stock is old with the
> > > box's yellowing with age.
> >
> > > It looks like the Gladwin's tried to upgrade but for some reason
> > > failed.
> >
> > > In my old home town the town centre has moved several times in my
> > > lifetime.  Have your new shop in the wrong place and you will get NO
> > > passing trade.  The old market stalls now cost a fortune to rent,  our
> > > own market place has been deserted by the stakeholders and they have
> > > returned back to the old original market place.
> >
> > > I know only too well running a small business is a 24/7 task,
> > > sometimes with little or nothing to show for your hard work but in
> > > order to survive you need to give the customer what they want and in
> > > this day and age it's down to price for the vast majority of the
> > > sales.  You want something 'special' you expect to pay more.
> >
> > > Yes support your local good model shops but also support your local
> > > club if you can .... it may soon be the only place you can get help &
> > > advice !
> >
> > > Chris
> >
> > Well, each unto their own, but if a shop cannot sell stuff they
> > will never have the new stuff in, and closure becomes a self-fulfilling
> > prophecy. If revenue does not support "modernisation" or keeping
> > up-to-date stock then effectively boycotting the shop will simply
> > hasten the end. With the huge range of, particularly 00, stuff
> > available these days there is no chance of anyone stocking everything.
> > The overall decline in numbers of modellers and consequent
> > downward pressure on margins, coupled with a seemingly ever increasing
> > rate of product launches (thereby devaluing stock already held) makes
> > keeping stock on the shelf even worse, or even dangerous.
> > The question is does one want to pay a premium, or rather not
> > get a discount, for a local shop or not I suppose. Use it or lose
> > it as they say - but don't expect "the big boys" to stock that
> > interesting or obscure little bit you need. Since we packed in
> > mail-order I get two or three calls a day *pleading* to be sent
> > some bit that no one else lists, but sadly these are usually the
> > same people who automatically click on Scroggins web site for the
> > routine stuff - even when Scroggins are NOT the cheapest.
> > As an aside, since we stopped mail order turnover has nearly doubled,
> > which goes to show how much of a distraction and drain on resources
> > mail-order is to a business trying to do both....
> >
> > I fear clubs have some way to go in attracting new, particularly
> > younger, blood, for the reasons that get aired regularly on the
> > various web sites and forums. For myself I prefer the web for
> > info as one gets a much wider range of opinions rather than "percieved
> > wisdom" - akin to a brain-strorming session over than a lecture!
> >
> > Cheers
> > Richard
> >
> > --www.beamends-lrspares.co.uk      sa...@beamends-lrspares.co.uk
> >               I have become... comfortably numb- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
> 
> I fully agree Richard BUT ( and not wishing to sound harsh ) that's
> business !
> 
> I take it independent model shops get little or no support off the
> manufacturers ?
> 
> If not then I suggest the manufacturers feel they don't need you ?
> 
> Model electrical components appear to be moving,  regrettably,
> towards the 'throw away society'.
> 
> Chris

Fully agreed - but, if people won't use their local shop for 
whatever reason then they really shouldn't be complaining when 
it closes, that's the other side of the coin. 

Cheers
Richard

-- 
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              I have become... comfortably numb

"beamendsltd"  wrote in message 
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<snip 100 plus quoted, re-quoted and re-re-quoted lines>
<snip>
>
> Fully agreed - but, if people won't...

...trim their replies?

In message <g7ebov$uld$1@registered.motzarella.org>
          "Jerry" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote:

> 
> "beamendsltd"  wrote in message 
> news:707a6cb4f%beamendsltd@btconnect.com...
> 
> <snip 100 plus quoted, re-quoted and re-re-quoted lines>
> <snip>
> >
> > Fully agreed - but, if people won't...
> 
> ...trim their replies? 
> 
> 

Nope - not during a general discussion - it preventrs people 
jumping in half way through and getting the wrong end of the 
stick!

Cheers
Richard 

-- 
www.beamends-lrspares.co.uk       sales@beamends-lrspares.co.uk
              I have become... comfortably numb

On Aug 5, 7:52 pm, Chris  wrote:
> Keith J Patrick wrote:
> > Less than a year ago, they moved from a smallish unit in the local market
> > hall, to a larger one, which they never quite seemed to fill. I wonder if
> > this was the turning point? Increased rent and council rates ??
> > It's a great pity as they are a lovely couple and I will miss my area of
> > tranquility whilst my wife was shopping. I had just started to be able to
> > buy a bit from them. Just hope an even smaller shop even closer to home
> > dosen't do the same. At least I've got one or two within striking distance,
> > which will be more than some of you guys (and lassies!) have, no doubt.
>
> > "simon"  wrote in message
> >news:HuKdnR3CkOzPiQvVnZ2dnUVZ8uCdnZ2d@bt.com...
> >> "Brian Watson"  wrote in message
> >>news:6fktsfFc3f4iU1@mid.individual.net...
> >>> "Dragon Heart"  wrote in message
> >>>news:4d190634-8cd7-4e02-b391-bcf772ea7e50@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com> >>> Yes Neil & Jill Gladwin only started trading in 2004 and got the
> >>> "Bachmann Retailer Of The Year" award in 2005.
>
> >>>http://www.bachmann.co.uk/doy_history.php4
>
> >>> Perhaps they spent a HUGE amount of money with Bachmann in 2004/5 and
> >>> then found it didn't sell through?
> >>> --
> >>> Brian
> >>> "Fight like the Devil, die like a gentleman."
> >> or placed a huge order and it was never delivered
>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Simon
>
> Same thing happened to a shop in Gosport in the 1980's opened in a small
> shop then a couple of years later moved to a much bigger store and
> within a year or so closed down.
>
> Chris

I get the feeling the same happened with Wycombe Models & Engineering
when they expanded into the next door premises. Shortly after that
they closed down. Can't help feeling they overstretched themselves
without a good solid business plan.

MBQ

On Aug 4, 10:45 pm, Dragon Heart  wrote:
> On 4 Aug, 11:11, beamendsltd  wrote:
>
>
>
> > In message 
> >           "Keith J Patrick"  wrote:
>
> > > Less than a year ago, they moved from a smallish unit in the local market
> > > hall, to a larger one, which they never quite seemed to fill. I wonder if
> > > this was the turning point? Increased rent and council rates ??
> > > It's a great pity as they are a lovely couple and I will miss my area of
> > > tranquility whilst my wife was shopping. I had just started to be able to
> > > buy a bit from them. Just hope an even smaller shop even closer to home
> > > dosen't do the same. At least I've got one or two within striking distance,
> > > which will be more than some of you guys (and lassies!) have, no doubt.
>
> > I've never met them, but if they have failed I feel for them - loosing
> > your business is an intensley personal thing - at least on a par with
> > loosing a child. Those who havan't had the pleasure will never
> > understand.
>
> > It just goes to show that supporting your local shop, even if they
> > do cost a bit more, is worthwhile if you like to browse. I'd dearly
> > love to have a local model shop at all...... one doing O would be
> > even better.
>
> It's OK saying 'support your local shop' but not all model shops
> support you !
>
> These comments have been aired on this forum previously,  some by
> myself,  but some model shop owners / assistants are not people sort
> of people and some are out & out child / novice unfriendly.
>
> Some have not / will not move with the times ( admittedly some can't
> afford to ).  Some look / are grubby and the stock is old with the
> box's yellowing with age.
>

Anyone experienced Transport Treasures? They were Bachmann retailer of
the year in 2003 and it looks like they've still got all of the stock
piled up in boxes in the shop. God knows what a fire safety officer
would say if he paid a visit.

MBQ

"beamendsltd"  wrote in message 
news:a55b10cb4f%beamendsltd@btconnect.com...
<snip>
[ re trimming quotes ]
>
> Nope - not during a general discussion - it preventrs people
> jumping in half way through and getting the wrong end of the
> stick!
>

Thanks for confirming that you are a clueless pizzle-head. :~(

In message <g7ei8n$fa2$1@registered.motzarella.org>
          "Jerry" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote:

> 
> "beamendsltd"  wrote in message 
> news:a55b10cb4f%beamendsltd@btconnect.com...
> <snip>
> [ re trimming quotes ]
> >
> > Nope - not during a general discussion - it preventrs people
> > jumping in half way through and getting the wrong end of the
> > stick!
> >
> 
> Thanks for confirming that you are a clueless pizzle-head. :~( 
> 
> 

I'll bet you have loads of friends! If you don't like me just
add me to your killfile, it's quite easy.

Cheers
Richard

-- 
www.beamends-lrspares.co.uk       sales@beamends-lrspares.co.uk
              I have become... comfortably numb

"beamendsltd"  wrote in message 
news:7f5c18cb4f%beamendsltd@btconnect.com...
<snip>
>
> I'll bet you have loads of friends! If you don't like me just
> add me to your killfile, it's quite easy.
>

You really don't understand how Usenet and NNTP servers work, do you, 
someone kill-filing you doesn't change how NNTP servers do their 
'house-keeping'.

In message <g7ek42$sa8$1@registered.motzarella.org>
          "Jerry" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote:

> 
> "beamendsltd"  wrote in message 
> news:7f5c18cb4f%beamendsltd@btconnect.com...
> <snip>
> >
> > I'll bet you have loads of friends! If you don't like me just
> > add me to your killfile, it's quite easy.
> >
> 
> You really don't understand how Usenet and NNTP servers work, do you, 
> someone kill-filing you doesn't change how NNTP servers do their 
> 'house-keeping'. 
> 
> 

Get a better newsreader them - this one has killfile on it. 

Experts eh?

Cheers
Richard

-- 
www.beamends-lrspares.co.uk       sales@beamends-lrspares.co.uk
              I have become... comfortably numb

On Aug 7, 11:18 am, "Jerry" <INVA...@INVALID.INVALID> wrote:
> "beamendsltd"  wrote in message
>
> news:a55b10cb4f%beamendsltd@btconnect.com...
> <snip>
> [ re trimming quotes ]
>
>
>
> > Nope - not during a general discussion - it preventrs people
> > jumping in half way through and getting the wrong end of the
> > stick!
>
> Thanks for confirming that you are a clueless pizzle-head. :~(

Here we go again. Doesn't take long, does it?

MBQ

In message 
          "manatbandq@hotmail.com"  wrote:

> On Aug 7, 11:18 am, "Jerry" <INVA...@INVALID.INVALID> wrote:
> > "beamendsltd"  wrote in message
> >
> > news:a55b10cb4f%beamendsltd@btconnect.com...
> > <snip>
> > [ re trimming quotes ]
> >
> >
> >
> > > Nope - not during a general discussion - it preventrs people
> > > jumping in half way through and getting the wrong end of the
> > > stick!
> >
> > Thanks for confirming that you are a clueless pizzle-head. :~(
> 
> Here we go again. Doesn't take long, does it?
> 
> MBQ

Awww - don't spoil me fun! ;-)

Cheers
Richard

-- 
www.beamends-lrspares.co.uk       sales@beamends-lrspares.co.uk
              I have become... comfortably numb

"beamendsltd"  wrote in message 
news:51d51ccb4f%beamendsltd@btconnect.com...

<snip trolling and pure ignorance>

Nothing now left to reply to!

In message <g7ene2$nj2$1@registered.motzarella.org>
          "Jerry" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote:

> 
> "beamendsltd"  wrote in message 
> news:51d51ccb4f%beamendsltd@btconnect.com...
> 
> <snip trolling and pure ignorance>
> 
> Nothing now left to reply to! 
> 
> 

Jerry - Oh! How boring - is that the best you can do?

Everyone else - I've now killfiled him (despite that not being 
possible of course). I didn't realise he's one of those......

Cheers
Richard


-- 
www.beamends-lrspares.co.uk       sales@beamends-lrspares.co.uk
              I have become... comfortably numb

"beamendsltd"  wrote in message 
news:2b2a20cb4f%beamendsltd@btconnect.com...
> In message <g7ene2$nj2$1@registered.motzarella.org>
>          "Jerry" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote:
>
>>
>> "beamendsltd"  wrote in message
>> news:51d51ccb4f%beamendsltd@btconnect.com...
>>
>> <snip trolling and pure ignorance>
>>
>> Nothing now left to reply to!
>>
>>
>
> Jerry - Oh! How boring - is that the best you can do?
>
> Everyone else - I've now killfiled him (despite that not being
> possible of course). I didn't realise he's one of those......
>
> Cheers
> Richard
>
>
> -- 
> www.beamends-lrspares.co.uk       sales@beamends-lrspares.co.uk
>              I have become... comfortably numb
Is he still about? I kill-filed him some years ago, and confess I hadn't 
missed him. Every so often, there's a bit of agitation on this, and other 
groups, and I think 'They've let him out again'
Brian

On Aug 7, 1:33 pm, beamendsltd  wrote:
> In message 
>           "manatba...@hotmail.com"  wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Aug 7, 11:18 am, "Jerry" <INVA...@INVALID.INVALID> wrote:
> > > "beamendsltd"  wrote in message
>
> > >news:a55b10cb4f%beamendsltd@btconnect.com...
> > > <snip>
> > > [ re trimming quotes ]
>
> > > > Nope - not during a general discussion - it preventrs people
> > > > jumping in half way through and getting the wrong end of the
> > > > stick!
>
> > > Thanks for confirming that you are a clueless pizzle-head. :~(
>
> > Here we go again. Doesn't take long, does it?
>
> > MBQ
>
> Awww - don't spoil me fun! ;-)
>

What is a "pizzle-head" anyway? Can I get one in N, or do I have to
scratch-build?

MBQ

wrote in message 
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On Aug 7, 1:33 pm, beamendsltd  wrote:
> In message 
> 
> "manatba...@hotmail.com"  wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Aug 7, 11:18 am, "Jerry" <INVA...@INVALID.INVALID> wrote:
> > > "beamendsltd"  wrote in message
>
> > >news:a55b10cb4f%beamendsltd@btconnect.com...
> > > <snip>
> > > [ re trimming quotes ]
>
> > > > Nope - not during a general discussion - it preventrs people
> > > > jumping in half way through and getting the wrong end of the
> > > > stick!
>
> > > Thanks for confirming that you are a clueless pizzle-head. :~(
>
> > Here we go again. Doesn't take long, does it?
>
> > MBQ
>
> Awww - don't spoil me fun! ;-)
>

What is a "pizzle-head" anyway? Can I get one in N, or do I have to
scratch-build?

MBQ

I believe its a term of affection.

cheers,
Simon

On 7 Aug, 21:56, "simon"  wrote:
>  wrote in message
>
> news:fca34730-bbee-4139-b5b9-2970b7c86286@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 7, 1:33 pm, beamendsltd  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > In message
> > 
> > "manatba...@hotmail.com"  wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 7, 11:18 am, "Jerry" <INVA...@INVALID.INVALID> wrote:
> > > > "beamendsltd"  wrote in message
>
> > > >news:a55b10cb4f%beamendsltd@btconnect.com...
> > > > <snip>
> > > > [ re trimming quotes ]
>
> > > > > Nope - not during a general discussion - it preventrs people
> > > > > jumping in half way through and getting the wrong end of the
> > > > > stick!
>
> > > > Thanks for confirming that you are a clueless pizzle-head. :~(
>
> > > Here we go again. Doesn't take long, does it?
>
> > > MBQ
>
> > Awww - don't spoil me fun! ;-)
>
> What is a "pizzle-head" anyway? Can I get one in N, or do I have to
> scratch-build?
>
> MBQ
>
> I believe its a term of affection.
>
I know what a pizzle stain is ....... belly wool from male sheep
stained by urine ....... but a "pizzle-head" would appear to be the
result of some un-natural act.

Chris

On 6 Aug, 22:09, "simon"  wrote:
> "Dragon Heart"  wrote in message
>
> news:def2835d-c358-4f14-8725-c506f50818a6@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 4 Aug, 22:53, "simon"  wrote:
> >> "Dragon Heart"  wrote in message
>
> >>news:49a3e79a-536f-4c06-9c5a-a2d01bf5ca79@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com.> >> On 4 Aug, 19:49, "simon"  wrote:
>
> >> > as one drops another opens. Theres a (relatively) new one in
> >> > loughborogh
> >> > now. Met them at GCR yesterday, nice people, good prices etc.
>
> >> Where in Loughborough & name ?
>
> >> Chris
>
> >> Meadow Lane.http://www.loughboroughmodelcentre.com/
> >> Theyll be at Donington this sunday.
> >> Theyre very child friendly - his nibs spent about half an hour playing
> >> with
> >> their youngsters.
>
> > Thanks Simon
>
> > .... 'er indoors went for a bit of R & R and went to have her hair
> > done so I was in charge of his nibs.  We walked around town,  did a
> > bit of shopping etc. and he was really good ( he does have autism ) so
> > as a reward,  but against my better judgement,  we visited our local
> > model shop.
>
> > They close at 1.15 for lunch but we arrived at 1 pm.  The wife
> > suggested we get him a treat of a loco or some rolling stock so I was
> > bending down looking at the display cabinet and the owner put the
> > lights out !   It was only 1.05 !
>
> > Support him ?  You have to be joking !!!!!!
>
> > Chris
>
> there are ways of hinting it would be nice to go early for some reason and
> there are ways of hinting that someones not bothered about your custom.
>
> My mother could stun a customer at 30 ft with just a look. They would
> apologise for interrupting and promise to return at a more convenient time.
> :-)
>
Our son has inherited my ability to use the "Paddington Bear stare".

Yes they clearly do not need my custom ..... nor will they get it
again.

Will pop over to :-

Malc's Models
260, Nottingham Rd, Ilkeston, Derbyshire DE7 5BD

http://www.malcsmodels.co.uk/

 Tel: 07786 896807

Always a smile and friendly welcome from him

Chris

">
> I've never met them, but if they have failed I feel for them - loosing
> your business is an intensley personal thing - at least on a par with
> loosing a child. Those who havan't had the pleasure will never
> understand.
>
> Cheers
> Richard
>

I have have seen some ludicrous statements on Usenet in my time but this one 
wins hands down. What a completely and utterly ridiculous thing to say.

ROB

"Robert Flint"  wrote in message 
news:nAonk.549$a%4.30@newsfe11.ams2...
>
> ">
>> I've never met them, but if they have failed I feel for them - 
>> loosing
>> your business is an intensley personal thing - at least on a par 
>> with
>> loosing a child. Those who havan't had the pleasure will never
>> understand.
>>
>
> I have have seen some ludicrous statements on Usenet in my time but 
> this one wins hands down. What a completely and utterly ridiculous 
> thing to say.
>

Indeed and I suspect that many if not *all* parents would gladly loose 
their house, never mind business, rather than lose a child - 
bankruptcy ends after either successful liquidation or the statutory 
period of time, meaning that one can rebuild and even start a new 
business - the hurt and pain cause by the loss of a child stays until 
the death of the parent(s) and in some cases siblings...
-- 
Wikipedia: the Internet equivalent of
Hyde Park and 'speakers corner'...