Whats the general impression of these. Am thinking of the 16 ton LMS/BR 
steel, esp are they reasonably accurate given the cost of £3.50 or so. ?
Realise theyre not the best as none of the layout descriptions mention them 
in the line up, its always "wagons built from kits, mostly PD and Cambrian"

Cheers,
Simon

"simon"  wrote in message
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> Whats the general impression of these. Am thinking of the 16 ton LMS/BR
> steel, esp are they reasonably accurate given the cost of £3.50 or so. ?
> Realise theyre not the best as none of the layout descriptions mention
them
> in the line up, its always "wagons built from kits, mostly PD and
Cambrian"

Assuming you mean the ex-Airfix ones, then I'd say £3.50 is not a bad price.
My local Antics has them for £5-something, at which price I look elsewhere.
Quality wise, they're not bad, but suffer from a lot of flash, probably due
to the age of the moulds.

Cheers, Martyn
--

"M Roberts"  wrote in message 
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> "simon"  wrote in message
> news:F6ydnSmnkOjLFxbVRVnygwA@bt.com...
>> Whats the general impression of these. Am thinking of the 16 ton LMS/BR
>> steel, esp are they reasonably accurate given the cost of £3.50 or so. ?
>> Realise theyre not the best as none of the layout descriptions mention
> them
>> in the line up, its always "wagons built from kits, mostly PD and
> Cambrian"
>
> Assuming you mean the ex-Airfix ones, then I'd say £3.50 is not a bad 
> price.
> My local Antics has them for £5-something, at which price I look 
> elsewhere.
> Quality wise, they're not bad, but suffer from a lot of flash, probably 
> due
> to the age of the moulds.
>
> Cheers, Martyn
> -- 
>
thanks for that, maybe I remembered the price wrong and they were £4.50 - 
know it ended in .50 and £5.50 seems too much.

Cheers,
Simon

On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 21:46:45 +0100, "M Roberts"
 wrote:

>"simon"  wrote in message
>news:F6ydnSmnkOjLFxbVRVnygwA@bt.com...
>> Whats the general impression of these. Am thinking of the 16 ton LMS/BR
>> steel, esp are they reasonably accurate given the cost of £3.50 or so. ?
>> Realise theyre not the best as none of the layout descriptions mention
>them
>> in the line up, its always "wagons built from kits, mostly PD and
>Cambrian"
>
>Assuming you mean the ex-Airfix ones, then I'd say £3.50 is not a bad price.
>My local Antics has them for £5-something, at which price I look elsewhere.
>Quality wise, they're not bad, but suffer from a lot of flash, probably due
>to the age of the moulds.

We were building these 45 years ago....

>Cheers, Martyn

"Christopher A. Lee"  wrote in message 
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> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 21:46:45 +0100, "M Roberts"
>  wrote:
>
>>"simon"  wrote in message
>>news:F6ydnSmnkOjLFxbVRVnygwA@bt.com...
>>> Whats the general impression of these. Am thinking of the 16 ton LMS/BR
>>> steel, esp are they reasonably accurate given the cost of £3.50 or so. ?
>>> Realise theyre not the best as none of the layout descriptions mention
>>them
>>> in the line up, its always "wagons built from kits, mostly PD and
>>Cambrian"
>>
>>Assuming you mean the ex-Airfix ones, then I'd say £3.50 is not a bad 
>>price.
>>My local Antics has them for £5-something, at which price I look 
>>elsewhere.
>>Quality wise, they're not bad, but suffer from a lot of flash, probably 
>>due
>>to the age of the moulds.
>
> We were building these 45 years ago....
>
>>Cheers, Martyn

Finished yet ?

Cheers,
Simon

On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 21:21:34 +0100, "simon"  wrote:

>
>"Christopher A. Lee"  wrote in message 
>news:l3en84hbfq9bk9o7mn6m7vksjtqennjtjl@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 21:46:45 +0100, "M Roberts"
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>"simon"  wrote in message
>>>news:F6ydnSmnkOjLFxbVRVnygwA@bt.com...
>>>> Whats the general impression of these. Am thinking of the 16 ton LMS/BR
>>>> steel, esp are they reasonably accurate given the cost of £3.50 or so. ?
>>>> Realise theyre not the best as none of the layout descriptions mention
>>>them
>>>> in the line up, its always "wagons built from kits, mostly PD and
>>>Cambrian"
>>>
>>>Assuming you mean the ex-Airfix ones, then I'd say £3.50 is not a bad 
>>>price.
>>>My local Antics has them for £5-something, at which price I look 
>>>elsewhere.
>>>Quality wise, they're not bad, but suffer from a lot of flash, probably 
>>>due
>>>to the age of the moulds.
>>
>> We were building these 45 years ago....
>>
>>>Cheers, Martyn
>
>Finished yet ?

<grin>

The result was a heck of a lot cheaper than wagons from Triang or
Hornby.

>Cheers,
>Simon 
>

"Christopher A. Lee"  wrote in message 
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> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 21:21:34 +0100, "simon"  wrote:
>
>>
>>"Christopher A. Lee"  wrote in message
>>news:l3en84hbfq9bk9o7mn6m7vksjtqennjtjl@4ax.com...
>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 21:46:45 +0100, "M Roberts"
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>>"simon"  wrote in message
>>>>news:F6ydnSmnkOjLFxbVRVnygwA@bt.com...
>>>>> Whats the general impression of these. Am thinking of the 16 ton 
>>>>> LMS/BR
>>>>> steel, esp are they reasonably accurate given the cost of £3.50 or so. 
>>>>> ?
>>>>> Realise theyre not the best as none of the layout descriptions mention
>>>>them
>>>>> in the line up, its always "wagons built from kits, mostly PD and
>>>>Cambrian"
>>>>
>>>>Assuming you mean the ex-Airfix ones, then I'd say £3.50 is not a bad
>>>>price.
>>>>My local Antics has them for £5-something, at which price I look
>>>>elsewhere.
>>>>Quality wise, they're not bad, but suffer from a lot of flash, probably
>>>>due
>>>>to the age of the moulds.
>>>
>>> We were building these 45 years ago....
>>>
>>>>Cheers, Martyn
>>
>>Finished yet ?
>
> <grin>
>
> The result was a heck of a lot cheaper than wagons from Triang or
> Hornby.
>
>>Cheers,
>>Simon
>>
The Airfix kit was 2/6d, whilst the Triang-Hornby equivalent was 5/-- the 
differential is somewhat less these days. I'd suggest having a look at the 
Parkside range to see how quality of masters and mouldings has improved.
Brian

On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 22:18:05 +0100, "BH Williams"
 wrote:

>
>"Christopher A. Lee"  wrote in message 
>news:1mmp84lqekfrgj116sruvc540ehtv72lo5@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 21:21:34 +0100, "simon"  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Christopher A. Lee"  wrote in message
>>>news:l3en84hbfq9bk9o7mn6m7vksjtqennjtjl@4ax.com...
>>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 21:46:45 +0100, "M Roberts"
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"simon"  wrote in message
>>>>>news:F6ydnSmnkOjLFxbVRVnygwA@bt.com...
>>>>>> Whats the general impression of these. Am thinking of the 16 ton 
>>>>>> LMS/BR
>>>>>> steel, esp are they reasonably accurate given the cost of £3.50 or so. 
>>>>>> ?
>>>>>> Realise theyre not the best as none of the layout descriptions mention
>>>>>them
>>>>>> in the line up, its always "wagons built from kits, mostly PD and
>>>>>Cambrian"
>>>>>
>>>>>Assuming you mean the ex-Airfix ones, then I'd say £3.50 is not a bad
>>>>>price.
>>>>>My local Antics has them for £5-something, at which price I look
>>>>>elsewhere.
>>>>>Quality wise, they're not bad, but suffer from a lot of flash, probably
>>>>>due
>>>>>to the age of the moulds.
>>>>
>>>> We were building these 45 years ago....
>>>>
>>>>>Cheers, Martyn
>>>
>>>Finished yet ?
>>
>> <grin>
>>
>> The result was a heck of a lot cheaper than wagons from Triang or
>> Hornby.
>>
>>>Cheers,
>>>Simon
>>>
>The Airfix kit was 2/6d, whilst the Triang-Hornby equivalent was 5/-- the 
>differential is somewhat less these days. I'd suggest having a look at the 
>Parkside range to see how quality of masters and mouldings has improved.
>Brian 

Yes. On our limited pocket money that gave  us more stock. We added
Hornby couplings. Also Triang (from Peco). I had Triang and my brother
Hornby. It never occurred to us to use metal wheels, after all the
"proper" stock all had plastic wheels.

"Christopher A. Lee"  wrote in message 
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> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 22:18:05 +0100, "BH Williams"
>  wrote:
>
>>
>>"Christopher A. Lee"  wrote in message
>>news:1mmp84lqekfrgj116sruvc540ehtv72lo5@4ax.com...
>>> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 21:21:34 +0100, "simon"  wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Christopher A. Lee"  wrote in message
>>>>news:l3en84hbfq9bk9o7mn6m7vksjtqennjtjl@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 21:46:45 +0100, "M Roberts"
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>"simon"  wrote in message
>>>>>>news:F6ydnSmnkOjLFxbVRVnygwA@bt.com...
>>>>>>> Whats the general impression of these. Am thinking of the 16 ton
>>>>>>> LMS/BR
>>>>>>> steel, esp are they reasonably accurate given the cost of £3.50 or 
>>>>>>> so.
>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>> Realise theyre not the best as none of the layout descriptions 
>>>>>>> mention
>>>>>>them
>>>>>>> in the line up, its always "wagons built from kits, mostly PD and
>>>>>>Cambrian"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Assuming you mean the ex-Airfix ones, then I'd say £3.50 is not a bad
>>>>>>price.
>>>>>>My local Antics has them for £5-something, at which price I look
>>>>>>elsewhere.
>>>>>>Quality wise, they're not bad, but suffer from a lot of flash, 
>>>>>>probably
>>>>>>due
>>>>>>to the age of the moulds.
>>>>>
>>>>> We were building these 45 years ago....
>>>>>
>>>>>>Cheers, Martyn
>>>>
>>>>Finished yet ?
>>>
>>> <grin>
>>>
>>> The result was a heck of a lot cheaper than wagons from Triang or
>>> Hornby.
>>>
>>>>Cheers,
>>>>Simon
>>>>
>>The Airfix kit was 2/6d, whilst the Triang-Hornby equivalent was 5/-- the
>>differential is somewhat less these days. I'd suggest having a look at the
>>Parkside range to see how quality of masters and mouldings has improved.
>>Brian
>
> Yes. On our limited pocket money that gave  us more stock. We added
> Hornby couplings. Also Triang (from Peco). I had Triang and my brother
> Hornby. It never occurred to us to use metal wheels, after all the
> "proper" stock all had plastic wheels.

Thats part of my reasoning, dont want to spend lots on them. Anyway do 
parkside do them ?

Cheers,
Simon

On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 22:55:12 +0100, "simon"  wrote:

>
>"Christopher A. Lee"  wrote in message 
>news:4npp84dnrmj2cioms085ofkrng3h5p8nlr@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 22:18:05 +0100, "BH Williams"
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Christopher A. Lee"  wrote in message
>>>news:1mmp84lqekfrgj116sruvc540ehtv72lo5@4ax.com...
>>>> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 21:21:34 +0100, "simon"  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Christopher A. Lee"  wrote in message
>>>>>news:l3en84hbfq9bk9o7mn6m7vksjtqennjtjl@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 21:46:45 +0100, "M Roberts"
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"simon"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:F6ydnSmnkOjLFxbVRVnygwA@bt.com...
>>>>>>>> Whats the general impression of these. Am thinking of the 16 ton
>>>>>>>> LMS/BR
>>>>>>>> steel, esp are they reasonably accurate given the cost of £3.50 or 
>>>>>>>> so.
>>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>> Realise theyre not the best as none of the layout descriptions 
>>>>>>>> mention
>>>>>>>them
>>>>>>>> in the line up, its always "wagons built from kits, mostly PD and
>>>>>>>Cambrian"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Assuming you mean the ex-Airfix ones, then I'd say £3.50 is not a bad
>>>>>>>price.
>>>>>>>My local Antics has them for £5-something, at which price I look
>>>>>>>elsewhere.
>>>>>>>Quality wise, they're not bad, but suffer from a lot of flash, 
>>>>>>>probably
>>>>>>>due
>>>>>>>to the age of the moulds.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We were building these 45 years ago....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Cheers, Martyn
>>>>>
>>>>>Finished yet ?
>>>>
>>>> <grin>
>>>>
>>>> The result was a heck of a lot cheaper than wagons from Triang or
>>>> Hornby.
>>>>
>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>Simon
>>>>>
>>>The Airfix kit was 2/6d, whilst the Triang-Hornby equivalent was 5/-- the
>>>differential is somewhat less these days. I'd suggest having a look at the
>>>Parkside range to see how quality of masters and mouldings has improved.
>>>Brian
>>
>> Yes. On our limited pocket money that gave  us more stock. We added
>> Hornby couplings. Also Triang (from Peco). I had Triang and my brother
>> Hornby. It never occurred to us to use metal wheels, after all the
>> "proper" stock all had plastic wheels.
>
>Thats part of my reasoning, dont want to spend lots on them. Anyway do 
>parkside do them ?

I haven't seen the Dapol wagons recently, but my fading memory tells
me they were better detailed than the other available stuff

I don't know. These days I model O scale. I've got enough plastic
wagons and vans from Slaters, Parkside and Peco for 5 times as many
goods trains than I need. Living on the left side of the pond, I
tended to stock up when I went back  home for the hols and build them
when I had spare time duringthe year.

I'm slowly replacing them with brass kits as funds allow.

Parkside have better bodies than Slaters, because the Slaters have
flat insides, but I don't like their floating axle boxes. I
particularly like the Parkside private owner wagons which are right
for my period but wrong for the location. (but who cares!)

>Cheers,
>Simon 
>

On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 22:18:05 +0100, "BH Williams"
 wrote:

>> The result was a heck of a lot cheaper than wagons from Triang or
>> Hornby.
>>
>>>Cheers,
>>>Simon
>>>
>The Airfix kit was 2/6d, whilst the Triang-Hornby equivalent was 5/-- the 
>differential is somewhat less these days. I'd suggest having a look at the 
>Parkside range to see how quality of masters and mouldings has improved.
>Brian 

I can remember inserting Peco cup bearings and using Jackson metal
three hole disc wheel sets in my Airfix wagons,  so that would have
put the total cost to about the same as the Triang and Dublo
offerrings.   I can't remember what I did about the couplings. :-)

Jim.

On Jul 28, 6:15 am, Jim Guthrie wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 22:18:05 퍝, "BH Williams"
>
>  wrote:
> >> The result was a heck of a lot cheaper than wagons from Triang or
> >> Hornby.
>
> >>>Cheers,
> >>>Simon
>
> >The Airfix kit was 2/6d, whilst the Triang-Hornby equivalent was 5/-- the
> >differential is somewhat less these days. I'd suggest having a look at the
> >Parkside range to see how quality of masters and mouldings has improved.
> >Brian
>
> I can remember inserting Peco cup bearings and using Jackson metal
> three hole disc wheel sets in my Airfix wagons,  so that would have
> put the total cost to about the same as the Triang and Dublo
> offerrings.   I can't remember what I did about the couplings. :-)
>
> Jim.

I find the 'soapy' plastic that Dapol use doesn't hold fine detail as
well as the original Airfix kits, and by the time I've added on the
cost of metal wheelsets for a Dapol kit it's close to the cost of a
Parkside. If I want something esoteric like a Prestiwn I seek out old
Airfix ones rather than the Dapol.

wrote in message 
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On Jul 28, 6:15 am, Jim Guthrie wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 22:18:05 +0100, "BH Williams"
>
>  wrote:
> >> The result was a heck of a lot cheaper than wagons from Triang or
> >> Hornby.
>
> >>>Cheers,
> >>>Simon
>
> >The Airfix kit was 2/6d, whilst the Triang-Hornby equivalent was 5/-- the
> >differential is somewhat less these days. I'd suggest having a look at 
> >the
> >Parkside range to see how quality of masters and mouldings has improved.
> >Brian
>
> I can remember inserting Peco cup bearings and using Jackson metal
> three hole disc wheel sets in my Airfix wagons, so that would have
> put the total cost to about the same as the Triang and Dublo
> offerrings. I can't remember what I did about the couplings. :-)
>
> Jim.

I find the 'soapy' plastic that Dapol use doesn't hold fine detail as
well as the original Airfix kits, and by the time I've added on the
cost of metal wheelsets for a Dapol kit it's close to the cost of a
Parkside. If I want something esoteric like a Prestiwn I seek out old
Airfix ones rather than the Dapol.
I haven't bought any of the Dapol kits, but many of my Airfix 16-tonners are 
still in service. Over time, all have received metal wheels in brass 
pin-point bearings, 'scale' couplings and various styles of cast buffers; 
most have got 'Morton' brakes, rather than the 'Independent' ones supplied, 
whilst a lot have received vacuum gear. The majority were painted whilst I 
had a summer job at BSC Landore, part of which included checking wagon 
identities against BR Control details for demurrage calculations- I recorded 
rather more than simply the numbers.....The great thing was that they were 
relatively cheap, so one didn't feel too bad about 'distressing' them by 
using a soldering iron to put bulges in the sides etc.
Brian

"BH Williams"  wrote in message 
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>
>  wrote in message 
> news:d5d3066d-b817-4528-81fd-13b5414b436d@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 28, 6:15 am, Jim Guthrie wrote:
>> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 22:18:05 +0100, "BH Williams"
>>
>>  wrote:
>> >> The result was a heck of a lot cheaper than wagons from Triang or
>> >> Hornby.
>>
>> >>>Cheers,
>> >>>Simon
>>
>> >The Airfix kit was 2/6d, whilst the Triang-Hornby equivalent was 5/--  
>> >the
>> >differential is somewhat less these days. I'd suggest having a look at 
>> >the
>> >Parkside range to see how quality of masters and mouldings has improved.
>> >Brian
>>
>> I can remember inserting Peco cup bearings and using Jackson metal
>> three hole disc wheel sets in my Airfix wagons, so that would have
>> put the total cost to about the same as the Triang and Dublo
>> offerrings. I can't remember what I did about the couplings. :-)
>>
>> Jim.
>
> I find the 'soapy' plastic that Dapol use doesn't hold fine detail as
> well as the original Airfix kits, and by the time I've added on the
> cost of metal wheelsets for a Dapol kit it's close to the cost of a
> Parkside. If I want something esoteric like a Prestiwn I seek out old
> Airfix ones rather than the Dapol.
> I haven't bought any of the Dapol kits, but many of my Airfix 16-tonners 
> are still in service. Over time, all have received metal wheels in brass 
> pin-point bearings, 'scale' couplings and various styles of cast buffers; 
> most have got 'Morton' brakes, rather than the 'Independent' ones 
> supplied, whilst a lot have received vacuum gear. The majority were 
> painted whilst I had a summer job at BSC Landore, part of which included 
> checking wagon identities against BR Control details for demurrage 
> calculations- I recorded rather more than simply the numbers.....The great 
> thing was that they were relatively cheap, so one didn't feel too bad 
> about 'distressing' them by using a soldering iron to put bulges in the 
> sides etc.
> Brian
>

Soldering iron for bulges - now that seems a good idea - was it before or 
after built ?

Went ahead, bought and built one. Pleasant distraction putting it together. 
They are supplied with metal wheels and although no cup bearings they do run 
very free - as good as a good Bachmann wagon.

Not what would call fine detail but certainly look good enough for trundling 
round now and again - or in a siding at the back.

Thanks for the info everyone.

Cheers,
Simon