Hello

I want to get hold of a 009 loco for a small railway I am building.

I have built white metal and etched brass locos, (04 and 05 shunters), and 
want something not too expensive but reasonably accurate and not too 
difficult to build.

I like Welsh Highland, Lynton & Barnstable, and Ffestiniog.

First choice money no object would be Russell

I have 4 coach kits, a point, and 3 lengths of track

Martin said the following on 28/06/2008 11:13:

> First choice money no object would be Russell

You may want to look at http://www.backwoodsminiatures.com/009kits.htm - 
about halfway down.

I've built several of their kits, and they are beautiful - about as far 
removed as a lump of whitemetal on a Grafar chassis as you can get.

-- 
Paul Boyd
http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/

Paul Boyd  wrote in news:g454h8$5a8$1$8300dec7
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> Martin said the following on 28/06/2008 11:13:
> 
>> First choice money no object would be Russell
> 
> You may want to look at http://www.backwoodsminiatures.com/009kits.htm - 
> about halfway down.

And I'm still saving up for my first ones from them :-(

-- 
All the best,

Chris Wilson

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http://www.the-dormouse.org The Dormouse Line model railway

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> Paul Boyd  wrote in news:g454h8$5a8$1$8300dec7
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>> Martin said the following on 28/06/2008 11:13:
>>
>>> First choice money no object would be Russell
>>
>> You may want to look at http://www.backwoodsminiatures.com/009kits.htm -
>> about halfway down.
>
> And I'm still saving up for my first ones from them :-(
>
> -- 
> All the best,
>
> Chris Wilson
>
> email to cwilson at britwar dor co dot uk, reply address is spamtrapped.
> http://www.the-dormouse.org The Dormouse Line model railway
>
>
Not until youve finished that london Road Model I hope :-)

CHeers,
Simon

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> "Chris Wilson"  wrote in message 
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>> Paul Boyd  wrote in news:g454h8$5a8$1$8300dec7
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>>> Martin said the following on 28/06/2008 11:13:
>>>
>>>> First choice money no object would be Russell
>>>
>>> You may want to look at
>>> http://www.backwoodsminiatures.com/009kits.htm - about halfway down.
>>
>> And I'm still saving up for my first ones from them :-(
>>
>> -- 
>> All the best,
>>
>> Chris Wilson
>>
>> email to cwilson at britwar dor co dot uk, reply address is
>> spamtrapped. http://www.the-dormouse.org The Dormouse Line model
>> railway 
>>
>>
> Not until youve finished that london Road Model I hope :-)

Mrs W gor bless her little cotton socks bought me some casting gear for 
Xmas, when not actually ripping up track and re laying it (and repeat) 
and building scenery I've been making rolling stock and figures. 009 
wagons are dead easy to make even without a casting machine you can get 
good results. Tipplers, flats, wagons and soon to come bogie stock as 
well ... just need something to pull them now ;-)

-- 
All the best,

Chris Wilson

email to cwilson at britwar dor co dot uk, reply address is spamtrapped.
http://www.the-dormouse.org The Dormouse Line model railway

Paul Boyd wrote:
> Martin said the following on 28/06/2008 11:13:
>
>> First choice money no object would be Russell
>
> You may want to look at
> http://www.backwoodsminiatures.com/009kits.htm - about halfway down.
>
> I've built several of their kits, and they are beautiful - about as
> far removed as a lump of whitemetal on a Grafar chassis as you can
> get.

Seconded.

Skip the makers of whitemetal lumps, with a few exceptions they are a source 
off grief and disappointment.




-- 
Nigel Cliffe,
Webmaster at http://www.2mm.org.uk/

>>Skip the makers of whitemetal lumps, with a few exceptions they are a 
>>source off grief and disappointment.


Eeeek £80


Nice though

Anything cheap and recommended as a first 009?

Or bite the bullet and have this

Need more than just the Parkside Dundas modern coach model as at the end of 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQwTuCXSjGQ

or

http://www2.whr.co.uk/s/stock/coach_07

On 02/07/2008 16:40, Martin said,

> Eeeek £80
> Nice though

Well worth the money - in fact it's well worth a lot more money.

> Anything cheap and recommended as a first 009?
> Or bite the bullet and have this

Guess what I would suggest? :-) So long as you have previous experience 
of etched brass kit-building...  Their kits I have experience of really 
do go together extremely well.  If you have to file something to fit, 
you've done something wrong.  The only possible stumbling block is the 
small size of the things.

You might want to have a browse through the model rail section of my 
website where you'll see a few examples of Backwoods kits in build so 
you can get a better idea of what the kits will be like generally.  I 
don't model 009 though :-)

-- 
Paul Boyd
http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/

>>Guess what I would suggest? :-) So long as you have previous experience of 
>>etched brass kit-building

GWR Inspection saloon (DW80975) and an 05 shunter

Quite a few etched sides on Lima bases

On 2 Jul, 16:40, "Martin"  wrote:
>
> Anything cheap and recommended as a first 009?

While I'm sure the Backwoods kits build into beautiful models and
several people here clearly don't like white metal kits, I find the
Chivers Finelines kits quick and easy to build and quite appropriate
as a first venture into 009 for the less experienced. Steer clear of
anything four-coupled because the chassis are either too hard to find,
too hard to get running acceptably or both, but there are several six-
coupled types that are good starter kits. The Russell kit (which you
said was your favourite loco) goes together perfectly acceptably, and
captures the look of the prototype despite some compromises made to
accommodate the chassis. If you're not too concerned with the fact
that the valve gear is wrong, the drive's to the wrong axle and the
frames are inside, it fits very nicely on the Dapol 45xx chassis with
no modifications, and will give you a relatively cheap starter loco
that runs nicely. Once you've got that going to test the layout, then
maybe it's time to try something more complicated (and authentic
looking).

For more info from those with more experience, I suggest you join the
Narrow Gauge Railway Modelling Online forum at http://ngrm-online.com/
where you'll find lots of active discussion on all things 009 related.

Dave

dave.rogers@yahoo.com said the following on 03/07/2008 14:24:

> While I'm sure the Backwoods kits build into beautiful models and
> several people here clearly don't like white metal kits, I find the
> Chivers Finelines kits quick and easy to build and quite appropriate
> as a first venture into 009 for the less experienced.

Oh yeah - I forgot Chivers.  I haven't built any of their narrow gauge 
kits, but the Wantage Tramway loco kit I have built goes together nicely 
  (again, photos on my website).  The problem with many white-metal kits 
is that they are mis-shapen lumps.  For instance, I have the Langley 
"Prince" kit and quite frankly I should have returned it as not being 
fit for the purpose for which it was sold.

As far as chassis goes, Branchlines do the "Hawk" 0-4-0 chassis that is 
vaguely Hunslet-based and will go nicely with the Chivers Hunslet locos 
- this is a far more practical proposition than trying to find the flaky 
Ibertren chassis, and is simpler to build than a Backwoods chassis, I 
believe.

-- 
Paul Boyd
http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/

On 3 Jul, 15:06, Paul Boyd  wrote:
>
> Oh yeah - I forgot Chivers.  I haven't built any of their narrow gauge
> kits, but the Wantage Tramway loco kit I have built goes together nicely
>   (again, photos on my website).  The problem with many white-metal kits
> is that they are mis-shapen lumps.  For instance, I have the Langley
> "Prince" kit and quite frankly I should have returned it as not being
> fit for the purpose for which it was sold.

I've built a few Chivers kits, and they all fit together well, build
easily and look like the loco they're supposed to represent; the
problems I've had are with Bachmann chassis, which seem to be about as
durable as cream cheese. The GEM kit of Dennis is a beauty, very
chunky and businesslike, and it fits on a Grafar chassis with no
modifications. The Peco Glyn Valley tram looks fine too, although it
needs the chassis cut up a bit more. Rodney Stenning's Corris No. 3 is
a very nicely made hybrid white metal and brass kit, but again it
needs a small 0-4-0 chassis. Overall there are plenty of fully
acceptable white metal kits out there; so far I've been lucky enough
not to get lumbered with any of the bad ones.

Dave

dave.rogers@yahoo.com wrote:
> On 3 Jul, 15:06, Paul Boyd  wrote:
>> Oh yeah - I forgot Chivers.  I haven't built any of their narrow gauge
>> kits, but the Wantage Tramway loco kit I have built goes together nicely
>>   (again, photos on my website).  The problem with many white-metal kits
>> is that they are mis-shapen lumps.  For instance, I have the Langley
>> "Prince" kit and quite frankly I should have returned it as not being
>> fit for the purpose for which it was sold.
> 
> I've built a few Chivers kits, and they all fit together well, build
> easily and look like the loco they're supposed to represent; the
> problems I've had are with Bachmann chassis, which seem to be about as
> durable as cream cheese. The GEM kit of Dennis is a beauty, very
> chunky and businesslike, and it fits on a Grafar chassis with no
> modifications. The Peco Glyn Valley tram looks fine too, although it
> needs the chassis cut up a bit more. Rodney Stenning's Corris No. 3 is
> a very nicely made hybrid white metal and brass kit, but again it
> needs a small 0-4-0 chassis. Overall there are plenty of fully
> acceptable white metal kits out there; so far I've been lucky enough
> not to get lumbered with any of the bad ones.

There seems to be a demand for a cheap and half-decent 0-4-0 chassis 
which is actually obtainable and works fairly well - something like an 
N-scale version of the Hornby pugs which power so many 7 mm scale narrow 
gauge locos.

-- 
Arthur Figgis               Surrey, UK