Thinking about the size of Black 5

Hall?
B1?
Black 5?
BR 5MT?
EE 37?

What do you think

"Martin"  wrote in message 
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> Thinking about the size of Black 5
>
> Hall?
> B1?
> Black 5?
> BR 5MT?
> EE 37?
>
> What do you think

West Country
Class 20

Paul

Hymek every time!

S


"Paul Stevenson"  wrote in message 
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> "Martin"  wrote in message 
> news:JPmdnbUk29chk_vVnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@bt.com...
>> Thinking about the size of Black 5
>>
>> Hall?
>> B1?
>> Black 5?
>> BR 5MT?
>> EE 37?
>>
>> What do you think
>
> West Country
> Class 20
>
> Paul

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from "sb"  contains these words:

> Hymek every time!

Black 5. Every time. No boxes, thanks.

-- 
Dave,                                     
Frodsham

"sb"  wrote in message 
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> Hymek every time!
>
> S
>
>
> "Paul Stevenson"  wrote in message 
> news:g453e9$qgs$1@aioe.org...
>>
>> "Martin"  wrote in message 
>> news:JPmdnbUk29chk_vVnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@bt.com...
>>> Thinking about the size of Black 5
>>>
>>> Hall?
>>> B1?
>>> Black 5?
>>> BR 5MT?
>>> EE 37?
>>>
>>> What do you think
>>
>> West Country
>> Class 20
>>
>> Paul

Yup,

best looking diesel of all time!

Paul

"David Jackson"  wrote in message 
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> The message <QRu9k.101062$P83.8358@newsfe20.ams2>
> from "sb"  contains these words:
>
>> Hymek every time!
>
> Black 5. Every time. No boxes, thanks.
>
> -- 
> Dave,
> Frodsham
Most certainly agree to both comments.

cheers,
simon

Martin wrote:
> Thinking about the size of Black 5
>
> Hall?
> B1?
> Black 5?
> BR 5MT?
> EE 37?
>
> What do you think

In real life the Stanier but in model form the 5MT. The two were practically 
interchangeable around here so substituting one for the other is no big 
deal.

(kim)

Martin wrote:
> Thinking about the size of Black 5
> 
> Hall?
> B1?
> Black 5?
> BR 5MT?
> EE 37?
> 
> What do you think 
> 
> 
Q1 for steam for the power and beauty ;)
Class 33 the one type that did not need mid-life rebuild.

Chris

"Martin"  wrote

> Thinking about the size of Black 5
>
> Hall?
> B1?
> Black 5?
> BR 5MT?
> EE 37?
>
> What do you think

Bachmann Ivatt 4MT 2-6-0 for me everytime.  It *really* captures the 
atmosphere of the prototype and runs like a dream.

John.

"John Turner" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message 
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>
> "Martin"  wrote
>
>> Thinking about the size of Black 5
>>
>> Hall?
>> B1?
>> Black 5?
>> BR 5MT?
>> EE 37?
>>
>> What do you think
>
> Bachmann Ivatt 4MT 2-6-0 for me everytime.  It *really* captures the 
> atmosphere of the prototype and runs like a dream.
>
> John.
>
Hang on a minute John, havent you gone over to the dark side of the dirty 
diesels ?

cheers,
Simon

On the 28 Jun 2008, "Martin"  wrote:

> Thinking about the size of Black 5

> Hall?
> B1?
> Black 5?
> BR 5MT?
> EE 37?

> What do you think

B16/1. Or a V2 if you must have something you can buy RTR.

Speaking of V2s, I saw Golden Arrow at Shildon the other week. Very 
impressive. Evening Star was also there - pity about the copper-top 
chimney though.


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>>West Country

Bit big - and the S&D drivers thought they were not very good

>>Class 20

I always thought that the mid size 5mt say were the equivalent of a type 3

>>Hymek every time!
>>
>>S

Forgot about those - but they are pretty good - not sure if they would have 
lasted as well as a 37 though

Anyway I was just choosing one per company otherwise I'd have had to do a 
few 4MTs Crabs, Granges ect

>>Black 5. Every time. No boxes, thanks.

I thought the BR 5MT was supposed to be better

Boxes!

Is that the equivalent of a kettle?

>>In real life the Stanier but in model form the 5MT. The two were 
>>practically interchangeable around here so substituting one for the other 
>>is no big deal.

I have to admit I like Modified Halls

>>Q1 for steam for the power and beauty ;)
>>Class 33 the one type that did not need mid-life rebuild

SR fan - interesting choices

>>Bachmann Ivatt 4MT 2-6-0 for me everytime.  It *really* captures the 
>>atmosphere of the prototype and runs like a dream.

I want the BR version (like the Airfix kit) for the GWR version

>>B16/1. Or a V2 if you must have something you can buy RTR.
>>
>>Speaking of V2s, I saw Golden Arrow at Shildon the other week. Very
>>impressive. Evening Star was also there - pity about the copper-top
>>chimney though.

Just a general wondering, I find uk.railway odd and I am sure modellers put 
more thought in.

So what has happened to Evening Stars chimney?

That is my favourite steam class and 3rd favourite loco class

In message <g4g6fh$1fp$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>
          "Martin"  wrote:

> >>In real life the Stanier but in model form the 5MT. The two were 
> >>practically interchangeable around here so substituting one for the other 
> >>is no big deal.
> 
> I have to admit I like Modified Halls 
> 

I still like the originals, but then if menthol's not to your
taste......

> 

Cheers
Richard

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In message <g4g6ce$1ca$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>
          "Martin"  wrote:

> >>Hymek every time!
> >>
> >>S
> 
> Forgot about those - but they are pretty good - not sure if they would have 
> lasted as well as a 37 though
> 

Much, much comfier for the crew though! Mind I noticed that they've
installed partitions behind the seats in at least of the remaining
37's - they'll be sealing the noses and doors next and installing
heaters that actually produce more that 5W....... 

> Anyway I was just choosing one per company otherwise I'd have had to do a 
> few 4MTs Crabs, Granges ect 
> 
> 

Cheers
Richard

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On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 16:25:21 +0100, "Martin"  wrote:

>>>B16/1. Or a V2 if you must have something you can buy RTR.
>>>
>>>Speaking of V2s, I saw Golden Arrow at Shildon the other week. Very
>>>impressive. Evening Star was also there - pity about the copper-top
>>>chimney though.
>
>Just a general wondering, I find uk.railway odd and I am sure modellers put 
>more thought in.
>
>So what has happened to Evening Stars chimney?

He's saying he doesn't like Swindon.

>That is my favourite steam class and 3rd favourite loco class 

The 9Fs were built at Swindon and Crewe. The bean counters who didn't
know what they were doing noticed that castings were cheaper at Crewe
and machining cheaper at Swindon.

So they moved Swindon's casting to Crewe and Crewe's machining to
Swindon. And wondered why machining costs went up.

Turned out Swindon's castings were more accurate and had needed less
machining.

The 9Fs were very effective but I never liked them. Of the modern
engines my favourites were the class 2MT, both Ivatt and BR versions.

Hawksworth used the 8F as the basis for the County 4-6-0s. He'd also
planned a lightweight 4-4-0 based on the Ivatt class 2 which would
probably have been a very nice little engine but not as effective as
the 2-6-0.

"simon"  wrote

> Hang on a minute John, havent you gone over to the dark side of the dirty 
> diesels ?

Not me mate - I have catholic tastes and like both, although my layout is 
100% diesel at the moment.  ;-)

John.

The message <g4g6e1$3bf$1$830fa795@news.demon.co.uk>
from "Martin"  contains these words:

> >>Black 5. Every time. No boxes, thanks.

> I thought the BR 5MT was supposed to be better

Possibly, but not by much.

> Boxes!

> Is that the equivalent of a kettle? 

<g>

When The Duchess goes "Down the Coast" (Crewe to Holyhead) there's
usually a box of heavy castings hung on the back of the (usually) 12
coach train. This box has two purposes: firstly it acts as ballast to
stop The Duchess going too fast, and secondly, when the train reaches
Holyhead the box pretends to be a loco and shunts the stock while The
Duchess goes to Valley to turn on the triangle.
["The Duchess" can be also read as "The Princess" or "The Duke" or
"Number 9" or some other suitable steam loco.]  

-- 
Dave,                                     
Frodsham

On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 18:02:30 +0100, David Jackson
 wrote:

>The message <g4g6e1$3bf$1$830fa795@news.demon.co.uk>
>from "Martin"  contains these words:
>
>> >>Black 5. Every time. No boxes, thanks.
>
>> I thought the BR 5MT was supposed to be better
>
>Possibly, but not by much.

It's significant that apart from the Britannia on the fifteen guinea
special, the last workings ware by Black 5s.

>> Boxes!
>
>> Is that the equivalent of a kettle? 
>
><g>
>
>When The Duchess goes "Down the Coast" (Crewe to Holyhead) there's
>usually a box of heavy castings hung on the back of the (usually) 12
>coach train. This box has two purposes: firstly it acts as ballast to
>stop The Duchess going too fast, and secondly, when the train reaches
>Holyhead the box pretends to be a loco and shunts the stock while The
>Duchess goes to Valley to turn on the triangle.
>["The Duchess" can be also read as "The Princess" or "The Duke" or
>"Number 9" or some other suitable steam loco.]  

Some time in the 1980s I rode behind 46229 from Carlisle to York.
There was supposed to be a 65mph limit for steam, but It went like the
clappers down from Aig Gill. Apparently there was an unofficial record
for preservation steam on BR that they easily broke.

An amazing run behind an amazing engine - even if it didn't have a
copper capped chimney.

"Martin"  wrote

> I want the BR version (like the Airfix kit) for the GWR version

Well go out and buy one then - these are also produced by Bachmann.

John.

"John Turner" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message 
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>
> "simon"  wrote
>
>> Hang on a minute John, havent you gone over to the dark side of the dirty 
>> diesels ?
>
> Not me mate - I have catholic tastes and like both, although my layout is 
> 100% diesel at the moment.  ;-)
>
> John.
>
we visited demu couple of weeks ago and a magazine editor was selling unrun 
diesels at £15 each. Bought a weathered hornby class 37 at Tots insistence, 
dont tell anyone but I quite like it !

Feel much better after admitting that.

Cheers,
Simon

>>When The Duchess goes "Down the Coast" (Crewe to Holyhead) there's
>>usually a box of heavy castings hung on the back of the (usually) 12
>>coach train.

They should have a more interesting shaped box on there - with light weight 
aluminium castings, and at the front!

The ones I am thinking of damaged a 47 through high speed tests when using 
it as a dead load.

>>Much, much comfier for the crew though! Mind I noticed that they've
>>installed partitions behind the seats in at least of the remaining
>>37's - they'll be sealing the noses and doors next and installing
>>heaters that actually produce more that 5W.......

The Hymek is one of the best looking locos ever

>> I have to admit I like Modified Halls
>>

>I still like the originals, but then if menthol's not to your
>taste......

Something to do with some nice preserved runs with them and I know an owner

>> I want the BR version (like the Airfix kit) for the GWR version

>>Well go out and buy one then - these are also produced by Bachmann.
>>
>>John.

Bit of a money problem - especially since the thieves in the commons want to 
double my road tax

In message <g4ihut$qrs$1$830fa17d@news.demon.co.uk>
          "Martin"  wrote:

> >>Much, much comfier for the crew though! Mind I noticed that they've
> >>installed partitions behind the seats in at least of the remaining
> >>37's - they'll be sealing the noses and doors next and installing
> >>heaters that actually produce more that 5W.......
> 
> The Hymek is one of the best looking locos ever 
> 

Agreed - a "baby 47"!   One only lost 10mins with 10 on from
Paddington to Westbury - I had to go and look to make sure it 
wasn't a 47. 

> 

Cheers
Richard

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>>>So what has happened to Evening Stars chimney?

>>He's saying he doesn't like Swindon.

Is that possible?

But then living on SW midlands/ north end of Westcountry that is what 
happens

>>>That is my favourite steam class and 3rd favourite loco class

>>The 9Fs were built at Swindon and Crewe. The bean counters who didn't
>>know what they were doing noticed that castings were cheaper at Crewe
>>and machining cheaper at Swindon.

>>So they moved Swindon's casting to Crewe and Crewe's machining to
>>Swindon. And wondered why machining costs went up.

Knobends!

>>Turned out Swindon's castings were more accurate and had needed less
>>machining.

Sounds expected

>>The 9Fs were very effective but I never liked them. Of the modern
>>engines my favourites were the class 2MT, both Ivatt and BR versions.

Liked them from a small child

>>Hawksworth used the 8F as the basis for the County 4-6-0s. He'd also
>>planned a lightweight 4-4-0 based on the Ivatt class 2 which would
>>probably have been a very nice little engine but not as effective as
>>the 2-6-0.

The message <g4ihti$qql$1$830fa17d@news.demon.co.uk>
from "Martin"  contains these words:

> They should have a more interesting shaped box on there - with light weight 
> aluminium castings, and at the front!

You mean between The Duchess and the train? And lightweight aluminium?
Fat lot of good that would be.  ;-)

-- 
Dave,                                     
Frodsham

"Martin"  wrote

> What do you think

GER Class S69:  "1500"s, v nice in original GER Blue

Tri-ang used to make a BR version as R150

regards

roga

On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 16:44:20 +0100, "roga"
<{news2005}REMOVE_THIS_UPPERCASE_2_REPLY@roga.co.uk> wrote:

>"Martin"  wrote
>
>> What do you think
>
>GER Class S69:  "1500"s, v nice in original GER Blue
>
>Tri-ang used to make a BR version as R150

That was the Gresley rebuild (actually by Thompson when he was at
Stratford). It wouldn't have appeared in GER blue.

In spite of my dislike for Thompson's work, it was a very good engine.

>regards
>
>roga 
>

In article <486cf3d5$0$78079$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp.net.uk>,
roga <{news2005}REMOVE_THIS_UPPERCASE_2_REPLY@roga.co.uk> wrote:
>"Martin"  wrote
>
>> What do you think
>
>GER Class S69:  "1500"s, v nice in original GER Blue
>
>Tri-ang used to make a BR version as R150

and L&NE green, as 8509 (i can still remember that.. :)

'course, that was the "Gresley" (actually Thompson, I believe)
rebuilt version ("B12/3" in L&NE-speak), not the original 
Holden machine, and it'd not be trival to convert the model
to represent the original design (though I bet there's an
article somewhere in the old RMs or MRCs by someone who
did it[1]).

I suspect Hornby might still be making the B12/3. They certainly
were a couple of years ago.

On the same theme: L&NW "Prince" (a Tishy would be nice, too :)

-- 
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		Feng Shui: an ancient oriental art for extracting
		 money from the gullible (Martin Sinclair)

"Christopher A. Lee"  wrote in message
>
> That was the Gresley rebuild (actually by Thompson when he was at
> Stratford). It wouldn't have appeared in GER blue.

It did on my boyhood layout!

BTW I am actually aware that R150 was of an original built in 1928 an 
example of the third variant of the LNER B12, however 61572 is always 
thought of as a "1500" : see e.g. www.wandering1500.co.uk

Have the NNR \ M&GN ever painted her in blue I wonder?

Roga

"Andrew Robert Breen"  wrote

> and it'd not be trival to convert the model
> to represent the original design (though I bet there's an
> article somewhere in the old RMs or MRCs by someone who
> did it[1]).

In the '70 nearly every kit for a 10- wheeler seemed to be based in the 
Triang B12 chassis

Plenty of them on ebay BTW

roga

On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 18:21:35 +0100, "roga"
<{news2005}REMOVE_THIS_UPPERCASE_2_REPLY@roga.co.uk> wrote:

>
>"Andrew Robert Breen"  wrote
>
>> and it'd not be trival to convert the model
>> to represent the original design (though I bet there's an
>> article somewhere in the old RMs or MRCs by someone who
>> did it[1]).
>
>In the '70 nearly every kit for a 10- wheeler seemed to be based in the 
>Triang B12 chassis

My Wills Saint.

Back in those days I thought it was brilliant even though the
wheelbase was completely wrong. Anybody who built a scale chassis must
have had to slice off the splashers and move them.

>Plenty of them on ebay BTW
>
>roga 
>

In article <486d0aa0$0$78073$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp.net.uk>,
roga <{news2005}REMOVE_THIS_UPPERCASE_2_REPLY@roga.co.uk> wrote:
>
>"Andrew Robert Breen"  wrote
>
>> and it'd not be trival to convert the model
>> to represent the original design (though I bet there's an
>> article somewhere in the old RMs or MRCs by someone who
>> did it[1]).
>
>In the '70 nearly every kit for a 10- wheeler seemed to be based in the 
>Triang B12 chassis

I was thinking more of the previous era, when Jubilees were produced
by the "take one Tri-ang Princess and a hacksaw" method..

-- 
Andy Breen ~ 	Not speaking on behalf of the University of Wales, Aberystwyth
		Feng Shui: an ancient oriental art for extracting
		 money from the gullible (Martin Sinclair)

"Martin"  wrote

> Bit of a money problem - especially since the thieves in the commons want 
> to double my road tax

I'll second that; I just cannot believe the audacity of the greedy bas#ards 
with their over-generous expenses, and can barely believe they's accepted a 
pay increase in-line with inflation.

John.

>>You mean between The Duchess and the train? And lightweight aluminium?
>>Fat lot of good that would be.  ;-)

Instead of the Duchess<vbg>

>>Agreed - a "baby 47"!   One only lost 10mins with 10 on from
>>Paddington to Westbury - I had to go and look to make sure it
>>wasn't a 47.

Must have been well driven as it is a lot less powerfull than a 47

In message <g4km3p$hot$2$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>
          "Martin"  wrote:

> >>Agreed - a "baby 47"!   One only lost 10mins with 10 on from
> >>Paddington to Westbury - I had to go and look to make sure it
> >>wasn't a 47.
> 
> Must have been well driven as it is a lot less powerfull than a 47 
> 

"Enthusiastically" driven!   Mind, all the hydraulics gave a lot
more oomph for the same hp engine.

Cheers
Richard 

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>>"Enthusiastically" driven!   Mind, all the hydraulics gave a lot
>>more oomph for the same hp engine.

mainly off the line - the power at rail comparesons between 47 50 and 52 are 
interesting, the 52 off the line being best but the 50 being best at higher 
speeds

In message <g4l1cj$2rc$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>
          "Martin"  wrote:

> >>"Enthusiastically" driven!   Mind, all the hydraulics gave a lot
> >>more oomph for the same hp engine.
> 
> mainly off the line - the power at rail comparesons between 47 50 and 52 are 
> interesting, the 52 off the line being best but the 50 being best at higher 
> speeds 
> 
> 

Practical experience suggestes that rated figures are only something
of a guide, a 47 beat the pants off 45,46 and 50 on an HST (Heavy 
Stone Train) under any circumstance. A 33 would pull it's allowed 
weight up to Upton Scudamore (Warminster) quite fast, but get near 
the limit and it would struggle, whereas a 37 would always struggle 
with anything over a brake van, but would still struggle equally with 
950 tons on the back (way over load). Indeed a 37 on the Basingstoke
(a 47 turn) would almost go up Greatly bank as well as a 47, and indeed
we got the Acton (2002 tons) back from Merehead with only one engine
(control air failure on the leading 37) without incident one night 
(well, ok, the fire alarms were ringing, but that wasn't unusual on 37)
which shouldn't have been possible. 

Mind, no two engines performed the same anyway!

I've no idea about passenger performance, as happily we only had one 
passenger turn in our link.

Cheers
Richard

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beamendsltd  wrote:
>           "Martin"  wrote:
> 
>> >>"Enthusiastically" driven!   Mind, all the hydraulics gave a lot
>> >>more oomph for the same hp engine. 
>> 
>> mainly off the line - the power at rail comparesons between 47 50 and
>> 52 are interesting, the 52 off the line being best but the 50 being
>> best at higher speeds 
> 
> Practical experience suggestes that rated figures are only something
> of a guide, a 47 beat the pants off 45,46 and 50 on an HST (Heavy 
> Stone Train) under any circumstance. A 33 would pull it's allowed 
> weight up to Upton Scudamore (Warminster) quite fast, but get near 
> the limit and it would struggle, whereas a 37 would always struggle 
> with anything over a brake van, but would still struggle equally with 
> 950 tons on the back (way over load). Indeed a 37 on the Basingstoke
> (a 47 turn) would almost go up Greatly bank as well as a 47, and
> indeed we got the Acton (2002 tons) back from Merehead with only one
> engine (control air failure on the leading 37) without incident one
> night (well, ok, the fire alarms were ringing, but that wasn't unusual
> on 37) which shouldn't have been possible. 
> 
> Mind, no two engines performed the same anyway!
> 
> I've no idea about passenger performance, as happily we only had one 
> passenger turn in our link.

The railways would run a lot better if they didn't have to keep stopping 
for those darned passengers.

-- 
Martin S.

The message <g4km3o$hot$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>
from "Martin"  contains these words:

> >>You mean between The Duchess and the train? And lightweight aluminium?
> >>Fat lot of good that would be.  ;-)

> Instead of the Duchess<vbg>

That would be a pointless exercise on a *steam* excursion. We know that
delticboxes* can set fire to the scenery, but they're not a substitute
for the Real Thing.

[* I once got up at some ungodly hour (about 08.00) on a Saturday
morning to take a photo of one going through our local station (100yds
away from the house). Can't remember what it was called - something like
"Alice" or "Araminta" IIRC]

-- 
Dave,                                     
Frodsham

"David Jackson"  wrote in message 
news:3130303033373333486E754A36@zetnet.co.uk...
> The message <g4km3o$hot$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>
> from "Martin"  contains these words:
>
>> >>You mean between The Duchess and the train? And lightweight aluminium?
>> >>Fat lot of good that would be.  ;-)
>
>> Instead of the Duchess<vbg>
>
> That would be a pointless exercise on a *steam* excursion. We know that
> delticboxes* can set fire to the scenery, but they're not a substitute
> for the Real Thing.
> -- 
> Dave,
> Frodsham

Dunno, perhaps they could do that with Mallard - put a steam/smoke generator 
in it, no one would notice the box is doing the work. Museum people would be 
happy they dont have to get it back working and those that do want to see it 
running will get theyre wish as well.

Cheers,
Simmon

"roga"  wrote

> Tri-ang used to make a BR version as R150

And terrible it was too.  Try laying one on a scale drawing of one the 
rebuilt B12s and you'll see how many compromises were made with the model.

John.

In message <Antbk.18351$5y2.9211@fe113.usenetserver.com>
          MartinS <me@my.place> wrote:

> beamendsltd  wrote:
> >           "Martin"  wrote:
> > 
> >> >>"Enthusiastically" driven!   Mind, all the hydraulics gave a lot
> >> >>more oomph for the same hp engine. 
> >> 
> >> mainly off the line - the power at rail comparesons between 47 50 and
> >> 52 are interesting, the 52 off the line being best but the 50 being
> >> best at higher speeds 
> > 
> > Practical experience suggestes that rated figures are only something
> > of a guide, a 47 beat the pants off 45,46 and 50 on an HST (Heavy 
> > Stone Train) under any circumstance. A 33 would pull it's allowed 
> > weight up to Upton Scudamore (Warminster) quite fast, but get near 
> > the limit and it would struggle, whereas a 37 would always struggle 
> > with anything over a brake van, but would still struggle equally with 
> > 950 tons on the back (way over load). Indeed a 37 on the Basingstoke
> > (a 47 turn) would almost go up Greatly bank as well as a 47, and
> > indeed we got the Acton (2002 tons) back from Merehead with only one
> > engine (control air failure on the leading 37) without incident one
> > night (well, ok, the fire alarms were ringing, but that wasn't unusual
> > on 37) which shouldn't have been possible. 
> > 
> > Mind, no two engines performed the same anyway!
> > 
> > I've no idea about passenger performance, as happily we only had one 
> > passenger turn in our link.
> 
> The railways would run a lot better if they didn't have to keep stopping 
> for those darned passengers.
> 

How true - the Southern used to call us "Go When Ready" (GWR, ho, ho)
which was supposed to be an insult, but with freight we could and did,
effectively creating our own paths which meant we could get back an
hour or two early ;-) It was effectively job-and-knock pre flexible
rostering......

Cheers
Richard

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"Martin"  wrote

> The Hymek is one of the best looking locos ever

I've got one of the Heljan 7mm 'Hymek' jobbies sat on the bookcase next to 
this computer.  I have to say (despite being a died-in-the-wool LMS/LNER 
enthusiast) that it's a bonny beastie.

I remember seeing the prototypes working empty stock trains out of 
Paddington in the early 60s, and always had a bit of a soft spot for them 
and the D800 series 'Warships', but I'd never want a model of the latter.

John.

>>Practical experience suggestes that rated figures are only something
>>of a guide, a 47 beat the pants off 45,46 and 50 on an HST (Heavy
>>Stone Train) ect

very interesting

A single 37 on 2000 ton - did't think it could shift it!

In message <g4skd7$2bn$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>
          "Martin"  wrote:

> >>Practical experience suggestes that rated figures are only something
> >>of a guide, a 47 beat the pants off 45,46 and 50 on an HST (Heavy
> >>Stone Train) ect
> 
> very interesting
> 
> A single 37 on 2000 ton - did't think it could shift it! 
> 

Neither did we - but the big horribe Yank thing was threatening
to give us a shove setting back out of the quarry and we were 
both dammed if that was going to happen! We got out on the third
attempt and got up to Quarry Junction from White's Crossing very 
slowly indeed.....but did it!

We got a "Have fun did you?" from the Movement Supervisor, which
was quite restrained - after all we had just broken the Terrible 
Twins that should have been the engines for the onward Acton turn.

Apparently the 4ft flame coming out of the exhaust had generated 
a few box-to-box messages along the way. 

Sadly my ex dumped all my note books, or I'd be able to say which
37 it was.

Cheers
Richard 

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>>Neither did we - but the big horribe Yank thing was threatening
>>to give us a shove setting back out of the quarry and we were
>>both dammed if that was going to happen! We got out on the third
>>attempt and got up to Quarry Junction from White's Crossing very
>>slowly indeed.....but did it!


Brilliant show - defended English Electrics honour pretty well!

"Martin"  wrote

>>>West Country
>
> Bit big - and the S&D drivers thought they were not very good

Aye and they needed LMS 4-4-0s to pull them over the S&D hills.

John.

On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 16:18:00 +0100, "Martin"  wrote:

>>>West Country
>
>Bit big - and the S&D drivers thought they were not very good

The rebuilds were good though, effectively 3-cylinder standards.

Did they use the rebuilds on the Slow and Dirty, or were they too
heavy?

I always assumed the reason for leaving some in original condition was
for West Country lines that couldn't take the rebuilds.