Check out recent standard 4 mt purchases...

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=24463&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&sid=447e0b7bf282003ca83e95740194ede3

Cheers,
Simon

"simon"  wrote

> Check out recent standard 4 mt purchases...
>
> http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=24463&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&sid=447e0b7bf282003ca83e95740194ede3

Yes p*ss poor that these got past the quality controllers in China - oh 
sorry, there aren't any - it's the UK retailers who have to do the QC think 
for both Bachmann, Hornby and others!

John.

On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:44:47 +0100, John Turner <nospam@nospam.invalid>  
wrote:

> "simon"  wrote
>
>> Check out recent standard 4 mt purchases...
>>
>> http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=24463&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&sid=447e0b7bf282003ca83e95740194ede3
>
> Yes p*ss poor that these got past the quality controllers in China - oh
> sorry, there aren't any - it's the UK retailers who have to do the QC  
> think
> for both Bachmann, Hornby and others!
>

That's because it's cheaper to use UK retailers rather than Chinese  
labour. :)
Actually a number of people have said they didn't notice it until it was
pointed out, so I doubt if some Chinese worker would realise what a 4MT
running plate should look like.

Fred X

"Fred X"  wrote in message 
news:op.udbis0bdj3tnem@skynet.wag54gs...
> On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:44:47 +0100, John Turner <nospam@nospam.invalid> 
> wrote:
>
>> "simon"  wrote
>>
>>> Check out recent standard 4 mt purchases...
>>>
>>> http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=24463&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&sid=447e0b7bf282003ca83e95740194ede3
>>
>> Yes p*ss poor that these got past the quality controllers in China - oh
>> sorry, there aren't any - it's the UK retailers who have to do the QC 
>> think
>> for both Bachmann, Hornby and others!
>>
>
> That's because it's cheaper to use UK retailers rather than Chinese 
> labour. :)
> Actually a number of people have said they didn't notice it until it was
> pointed out, so I doubt if some Chinese worker would realise what a 4MT
> running plate should look like.
>
> Fred X
>
>
Totally different to years ago when worked as a student in pipe factory (6 
foot drainage ones that is). Was working nights but did extra day shift 
watching pipes come from dryer to kiln cars - checking they were ok. No one 
said what a none ok one looked like so just rejected one every so often to 
appear to be working. Unfortunately there were several hundred with 
incorrect shaped ends. Lot of unhappy managers next day, one asked me if I 
knew what they should look like - 'do now' I replied. No chance of them 
having a go at me, was friends with shop steward.

Cheers,
Simon

"John Turner" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message 
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>
> "simon"  wrote
>
>> Check out recent standard 4 mt purchases...
>>
>> http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=24463&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&sid=447e0b7bf282003ca83e95740194ede3
>
> Yes p*ss poor that these got past the quality controllers in China - oh 
> sorry, there aren't any - it's the UK retailers who have to do the QC 
> think for both Bachmann, Hornby and others!
>
> John.
So did Bachmann immediately send a notice out to retailers and put a news 
item on their website ?

Lucky we have the internet to spread the word, wasnt there something about 
the motors in one of their dirty diesels a few months back ?

Bachmann make a mistake ?

See Hattons didnt spot it very early, one of the worst cases was shown as 
the picture on their website - still me and Hattons dont have happy history 
so will just laugh.

Cheers,
Simon

On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 21:32:50 +0100, simon  wrote:

> "Fred X"  wrote in message
> news:op.udbis0bdj3tnem@skynet.wag54gs...
>> On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:44:47 +0100, John Turner <nospam@nospam.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "simon"  wrote
>>>
>>>> Check out recent standard 4 mt purchases...
>>>>
>>>> http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=24463&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&sid=447e0b7bf282003ca83e95740194ede3
>>>
>>> Yes p*ss poor that these got past the quality controllers in China - oh
>>> sorry, there aren't any - it's the UK retailers who have to do the QC
>>> think
>>> for both Bachmann, Hornby and others!
>>>
>>
>> That's because it's cheaper to use UK retailers rather than Chinese
>> labour. :)
>> Actually a number of people have said they didn't notice it until it was
>> pointed out, so I doubt if some Chinese worker would realise what a 4MT
>> running plate should look like.
>>
>> Fred X
>>
> Totally different to years ago when worked as a student in pipe factory  
> (6
> foot drainage ones that is). Was working nights but did extra day shift
> watching pipes come from dryer to kiln cars - checking they were ok. No  
> one
> said what a none ok one looked like so just rejected one every so often  
> to
> appear to be working. Unfortunately there were several hundred with
> incorrect shaped ends. Lot of unhappy managers next day, one asked me if  
> I
> knew what they should look like - 'do now' I replied. No chance of them
> having a go at me, was friends with shop steward.

I've forwarded your CV to Bachmann. :)

Fred X

"Fred X"  wrote in message 
news:op.uddgmpeoj3tnem@skynet.wag54gs...
> On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 21:32:50 +0100, simon  wrote:
>
>> "Fred X"  wrote in message
>> news:op.udbis0bdj3tnem@skynet.wag54gs...
>>> On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:44:47 +0100, John Turner <nospam@nospam.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "simon"  wrote
>>>>
>>>>> Check out recent standard 4 mt purchases...
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=24463&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&sid=447e0b7bf282003ca83e95740194ede3
>>>>
>>>> Yes p*ss poor that these got past the quality controllers in China - oh
>>>> sorry, there aren't any - it's the UK retailers who have to do the QC
>>>> think
>>>> for both Bachmann, Hornby and others!
>>>>
>>>
>>> That's because it's cheaper to use UK retailers rather than Chinese
>>> labour. :)
>>> Actually a number of people have said they didn't notice it until it was
>>> pointed out, so I doubt if some Chinese worker would realise what a 4MT
>>> running plate should look like.
>>>
>>> Fred X
>>>
>> Totally different to years ago when worked as a student in pipe factory 
>> (6
>> foot drainage ones that is). Was working nights but did extra day shift
>> watching pipes come from dryer to kiln cars - checking they were ok. No 
>> one
>> said what a none ok one looked like so just rejected one every so often 
>> to
>> appear to be working. Unfortunately there were several hundred with
>> incorrect shaped ends. Lot of unhappy managers next day, one asked me if 
>> I
>> knew what they should look like - 'do now' I replied. No chance of them
>> having a go at me, was friends with shop steward.
>
> I've forwarded your CV to Bachmann. :)
>
> Fred X
>
No thanks, I work from home and being in the same county as Barwell they 
might expect me to visit the office.

Margate would be ok though, a fine company and used to go to Ramsgate for 
holidays ( in1960's)

Cheers,
Simon

"simon"  wrote

> So did Bachmann immediately send a notice out to retailers and put a news 
> item on their website ?

Nope, but we did get an email from our rep.  Took five attempts (phone calls 
&/or emails) to get the faulty ones collected by Bachmann.  Wasn't at all 
impressed by their quality of service.

It was only after making a complaint to our rep, that he was able to get the 
faulty models uplifted.

John.

"John Turner" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message 
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> "simon"  wrote
>
>> So did Bachmann immediately send a notice out to retailers and put a news 
>> item on their website ?
>
> Nope, but we did get an email from our rep.  Took five attempts (phone 
> calls &/or emails) to get the faulty ones collected by Bachmann.  Wasn't 
> at all impressed by their quality of service.
>
> It was only after making a complaint to our rep, that he was able to get 
> the faulty models uplifted.
>
> John.
>
Cannot understand them, it seems to be a corporate culture of denial and yet 
they make some very nice locos. Still it means reputable dealers more likely 
to get the orders over the phone/email.

With Hattons having a dodgy one on the website wonder if that means they can 
sell returns - theyd be able to say 'sorry but its exactly as shown !'

Cheers,
Simon