Scorpio Palio Spice 4 channel thermal
SPECIFICATION.
Wing span : 2090mm
Length : 1150mm
Wing area : 34.2dm 2
Weight : 1120 to 1860 g
Radio : 2to4 ch ( not inc)
Engine : 600 geared or brushless

any Ideal of a suitable brushless setup do I need 100 watts lbs as a 
guide so 400w ? or 200w I am not expecting unlimited verticals 45 
degrees or so would be great

Kevin wrote:
> Scorpio Palio Spice 4 channel thermal
> SPECIFICATION.
> Wing span : 2090mm
> Length : 1150mm
> Wing area : 34.2dm 2
> Weight : 1120 to 1860 g
> Radio : 2to4 ch ( not inc)
> Engine : 600 geared or brushless
> 
> any Ideal of a suitable brushless setup do I need 100 watts lbs as a 
> guide so 400w ? or 200w I am not expecting unlimited verticals 45 
> degrees or so would be great

speed 600 is about 180W at 50-60% efficiency:

But that won't net you 45 degrees.

You can try talking to John at www.puffinmodels.com

He'll sell you an AXI probably..2820/10 with a 10x7  or 11x5 folder 
sounds about right with a 3s pack on it - you should be in the 300-350W 
area with that.

http://www.modelmotors.cz/index.php?page=61&product=2820&serie=10&line=GOLD

You probably need around 80W/lb for a fast ROC.

There's loads of other motors around at similar powers tho. Shoot for 
35-40A on 3s LIPO - need a pack around 3500mAh for safety and longevity 
- and pick one hat s rated for at least  10" prop.

The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> Kevin wrote:
>> Scorpio Palio Spice 4 channel thermal
>> SPECIFICATION.
>> Wing span : 2090mm
>> Length : 1150mm
>> Wing area : 34.2dm 2
>> Weight : 1120 to 1860 g
>> Radio : 2to4 ch ( not inc)
>> Engine : 600 geared or brushless
>>
>> any Ideal of a suitable brushless setup do I need 100 watts lbs as a 
>> guide so 400w ? or 200w I am not expecting unlimited verticals 45 
>> degrees or so would be great
> 
> speed 600 is about 180W at 50-60% efficiency:
> 
> But that won't net you 45 degrees.
> 
> You can try talking to John at www.puffinmodels.com
> 
> He'll sell you an AXI probably..2820/10 with a 10x7  or 11x5 folder 
> sounds about right with a 3s pack on it - you should be in the 300-350W 
> area with that.
> 
> 

trouble is phoning John at Puffin and then not buying from him as hes a 
nice chap but dammed expensive, a 2820/10 is £54 and a similar motor 
from Hong Kong is £12, Lipo £60 Hong Kong £15, and yes I have used them 
and they seem as good as the brand names they might be inferior but I 
cannot tell the difference with out any fancy meters and my T-Rex flys 
just the same, and I can afford 4  for the price of one

http://www.modelmotors.cz/index.php?page=61&product=2820&serie=10&line=GOLD
> 
thanks for the link seems to confirm the bit of Googling I already tried

> You probably need around 80W/lb for a fast ROC.
> 
> There's loads of other motors around at similar powers tho. Shoot for 
> 35-40A on 3s LIPO - need a pack around 3500mAh for safety and longevity 
> - and pick one hat s rated for at least  10" prop.
cheers I just needed to order one as the kits a Christmas present but 
the hard bit is going to be fitting an out runner in the nose that's 
designed for a 600 can, I might just have to cut it back further and use 
a bigger spinner

Kevin wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> Kevin wrote:
>>> Scorpio Palio Spice 4 channel thermal
>>> SPECIFICATION.
>>> Wing span : 2090mm
>>> Length : 1150mm
>>> Wing area : 34.2dm 2
>>> Weight : 1120 to 1860 g
>>> Radio : 2to4 ch ( not inc)
>>> Engine : 600 geared or brushless
>>>
>>> any Ideal of a suitable brushless setup do I need 100 watts lbs as a 
>>> guide so 400w ? or 200w I am not expecting unlimited verticals 45 
>>> degrees or so would be great
>>
>> speed 600 is about 180W at 50-60% efficiency:
>>
>> But that won't net you 45 degrees.
>>
>> You can try talking to John at www.puffinmodels.com
>>
>> He'll sell you an AXI probably..2820/10 with a 10x7  or 11x5 folder 
>> sounds about right with a 3s pack on it - you should be in the 
>> 300-350W area with that.
>>
>>
> 
> trouble is phoning John at Puffin and then not buying from him as hes a 
> nice chap but dammed expensive, a 2820/10 is £54 and a similar motor 
> from Hong Kong is £12, Lipo £60 Hong Kong £15, and yes I have used them 
> and they seem as good as the brand names they might be inferior but I 
> cannot tell the difference with out any fancy meters and my T-Rex flys 
> just the same, and I can afford 4  for the price of one
> 
> http://www.modelmotors.cz/index.php?page=61&product=2820&serie=10&line=GOLD
>>
> thanks for the link seems to confirm the bit of Googling I already tried
> 
>> You probably need around 80W/lb for a fast ROC.
>>
>> There's loads of other motors around at similar powers tho. Shoot for 
>> 35-40A on 3s LIPO - need a pack around 3500mAh for safety and 
>> longevity - and pick one hat s rated for at least  10" prop.
> cheers I just needed to order one as the kits a Christmas present but 
> the hard bit is going to be fitting an out runner in the nose that's 
> designed for a 600 can, I might just have to cut it back further and use 
> a bigger spinner

Mmm. You COULD get something that fits in - an inrunner. Mega 16/25/2 or 
something - and drop the prop back to the original 8x4.5 folder. OR its 
epyclic gearbox time..

None of these are cheap options though.

Maybe you can find a cheap chinko inrunner with sub 2300 KV..and run it 
on a medium folder.