Hi.
For years i've wanted an rc aircraft of some description and finally after 
much discussion with my local model shop purchased a Ripmax Serenity 
electric powered glider. It comes artf with a plastic body with engine and 
mechanics already installed. The wings are made of a lightweight foam 
substance attached to the body by crossed elastic bands. It also has a 3 
channel r/c included all for the princely sum of £75.00.
I had decided to go with a relatively low cost plane in case i found i didnt 
enjoy flying after all.
Took it to a local field for its first flight and with zero wind spent a few 
minutes just doing lazy turns and really enjoying myself. Then decided to 
try a first landing and was amazed to land it quite gently at the first 
attempt. I then launched it again and continued doing the same thing, nice 
lazy turns with a bit more power.
I then noticed that both the wings were bent upwards at a really strange 
angle and thought it best to bring it down to investigate. However the port 
wing suddenly just folded up and the plane came straight down. Investigation 
showed that the wing had failed right at the point the elastic bands 
crossed. It wasnt snapped off, just flopping around uselessly.
I intend to take it back to the shop where i purchased from and am not going 
to pass judgement until i speak with them. However, my question is, has this 
happened to anyone else in similar circumstances, and if so did i do 
something wrong?

Gary

deepblue wrote:
> Hi.
> For years i've wanted an rc aircraft of some description and finally after 
> much discussion with my local model shop purchased a Ripmax Serenity 
> electric powered glider. It comes artf with a plastic body with engine and 
> mechanics already installed. The wings are made of a lightweight foam 
> substance attached to the body by crossed elastic bands. It also has a 3 
> channel r/c included all for the princely sum of £75.00.
> I had decided to go with a relatively low cost plane in case i found i didnt 
> enjoy flying after all.
> Took it to a local field for its first flight and with zero wind spent a few 
> minutes just doing lazy turns and really enjoying myself. Then decided to 
> try a first landing and was amazed to land it quite gently at the first 
> attempt. I then launched it again and continued doing the same thing, nice 
> lazy turns with a bit more power.
> I then noticed that both the wings were bent upwards at a really strange 
> angle and thought it best to bring it down to investigate. However the port 
> wing suddenly just folded up and the plane came straight down. Investigation 
> showed that the wing had failed right at the point the elastic bands 
> crossed. It wasnt snapped off, just flopping around uselessly.
> I intend to take it back to the shop where i purchased from and am not going 
> to pass judgement until i speak with them. However, my question is, has this 
> happened to anyone else in similar circumstances, and if so did i do 
> something wrong?
> 
> Gary 
> 
> 
what do you expect for 75 quid?

the normal approach is to get a bit of carbon fibre rod and some epoxy, 
and cut a slot in the wings and epoxy the rod in.

You are quite fortunate, in that you managed to get it flying at all.

Try getting another one tho. Its worth a blag.

"The Natural Philosopher" <a@b.c> wrote in message 
news:1180733563.61670.1@demeter.uk.clara.net...
> deepblue wrote:
>> Hi.
>> For years i've wanted an rc aircraft of some description and finally 
>> after much discussion with my local model shop purchased a Ripmax 
>> Serenity electric powered glider. It comes artf with a plastic body with 
>> engine and mechanics already installed. The wings are made of a 
>> lightweight foam substance attached to the body by crossed elastic bands. 
>> It also has a 3 channel r/c included all for the princely sum of £75.00.
>> I had decided to go with a relatively low cost plane in case i found i 
>> didnt enjoy flying after all.
>> Took it to a local field for its first flight and with zero wind spent a 
>> few minutes just doing lazy turns and really enjoying myself. Then 
>> decided to try a first landing and was amazed to land it quite gently at 
>> the first attempt. I then launched it again and continued doing the same 
>> thing, nice lazy turns with a bit more power.
>> I then noticed that both the wings were bent upwards at a really strange 
>> angle and thought it best to bring it down to investigate. However the 
>> port wing suddenly just folded up and the plane came straight down. 
>> Investigation showed that the wing had failed right at the point the 
>> elastic bands crossed. It wasnt snapped off, just flopping around 
>> uselessly.
>> I intend to take it back to the shop where i purchased from and am not 
>> going to pass judgement until i speak with them. However, my question is, 
>> has this happened to anyone else in similar circumstances, and if so did 
>> i do something wrong?
>>
>> Gary
> what do you expect for 75 quid?
>
> the normal approach is to get a bit of carbon fibre rod and some epoxy, 
> and cut a slot in the wings and epoxy the rod in.
>
> You are quite fortunate, in that you managed to get it flying at all.
>
> Try getting another one tho. Its worth a blag.

The cost has nothing to do with it, I certainly dont expect something to 
fall apart the first time i use it. I saw another glider with a more or less 
solid wing which in hindsight seems much more substantial.

deepblue wrote:
> "The Natural Philosopher" <a@b.c> wrote in message 
> news:1180733563.61670.1@demeter.uk.clara.net...
>> deepblue wrote:
>>> Hi.
>>> For years i've wanted an rc aircraft of some description and finally 
>>> after much discussion with my local model shop purchased a Ripmax 
>>> Serenity electric powered glider. It comes artf with a plastic body with 
>>> engine and mechanics already installed. The wings are made of a 
>>> lightweight foam substance attached to the body by crossed elastic bands. 
>>> It also has a 3 channel r/c included all for the princely sum of £75.00.
>>> I had decided to go with a relatively low cost plane in case i found i 
>>> didnt enjoy flying after all.
>>> Took it to a local field for its first flight and with zero wind spent a 
>>> few minutes just doing lazy turns and really enjoying myself. Then 
>>> decided to try a first landing and was amazed to land it quite gently at 
>>> the first attempt. I then launched it again and continued doing the same 
>>> thing, nice lazy turns with a bit more power.
>>> I then noticed that both the wings were bent upwards at a really strange 
>>> angle and thought it best to bring it down to investigate. However the 
>>> port wing suddenly just folded up and the plane came straight down. 
>>> Investigation showed that the wing had failed right at the point the 
>>> elastic bands crossed. It wasnt snapped off, just flopping around 
>>> uselessly.
>>> I intend to take it back to the shop where i purchased from and am not 
>>> going to pass judgement until i speak with them. However, my question is, 
>>> has this happened to anyone else in similar circumstances, and if so did 
>>> i do something wrong?
>>>
>>> Gary
>> what do you expect for 75 quid?
>>
>> the normal approach is to get a bit of carbon fibre rod and some epoxy, 
>> and cut a slot in the wings and epoxy the rod in.
>>
>> You are quite fortunate, in that you managed to get it flying at all.
>>
>> Try getting another one tho. Its worth a blag.
> 
> The cost has nothing to do with it, I certainly dont expect something to 
> fall apart the first time i use it. I saw another glider with a more or less 
> solid wing which in hindsight seems much more substantial.
> 
> 
I always feel, with my philosophical hat on, that eliminating the words 
'right' and 'expect' and 'fair' from the language along with the 
underlying concepts they espouse, would actually result in a happier and 
more efficient society.

You paid. It broke. So what? Ultimately whether you get another one is 
down to a complex assessment by the vendor of how much custom you might 
represent in future, and how much power you have to bad mouth him all 
over the Internet, and reduce his sales.

You may care to use the words 'right' 'expect' and 'fair' as part of the 
negotiations you undertake with him, but please, for your future peace 
of mind, don't go *believing* in them. Or ypu will find yourself a 
lonely and sadder man.

deepblue wrote:
> "The Natural Philosopher" <a@b.c> wrote in message 
> news:1180733563.61670.1@demeter.uk.clara.net...
>> deepblue wrote:
>>> Hi.
>>> For years i've wanted an rc aircraft of some description and finally 
>>> after much discussion with my local model shop purchased a Ripmax 
>>> Serenity electric powered glider. <snip>

>>> I intend to take it back to the shop where i purchased from and am not 
>>> going to pass judgement until i speak with them. However, my question is, 
>>> has this happened to anyone else in similar circumstances, and if so did 
>>> i do something wrong?


   Hi - don't be put off - we've all been there....part of the game, 
really.  If the model was faulty, hopefully you'll get a replacement - 
but if possible, find an experienced flier to give it the once-over - it 
might be that a bit of judicious reinforcement here & there will help.

It's a well-known event - modeller arrives at field, puts just a couple 
of wing bands on to carry the model to the flying patch - forgets to add 
the rquired number, then wonders why the model 'claps hands' in flight.
Perhaps you didn't have enough rubber bands on, or it might be an idea 
to have a couple running fore-aft, and NOT crossing over in the middle.

  Good luck,
   cheers

Dave

"Dave Lane"  wrote in message 
news:f40j8v$k08$1@south.jnrs.ja.net...
> deepblue wrote:
>> "The Natural Philosopher" <a@b.c> wrote in message 
>> news:1180733563.61670.1@demeter.uk.clara.net...
>>> deepblue wrote:
>>>> Hi.
>>>> For years i've wanted an rc aircraft of some description and finally 
>>>> after much discussion with my local model shop purchased a Ripmax 
>>>> Serenity electric powered glider. <snip>
>
>>>> I intend to take it back to the shop where i purchased from and am not 
>>>> going to pass judgement until i speak with them. However, my question 
>>>> is, has this happened to anyone else in similar circumstances, and if 
>>>> so did i do something wrong?
>
>
>   Hi - don't be put off - we've all been there....part of the game, 
> really.  If the model was faulty, hopefully you'll get a replacement - but 
> if possible, find an experienced flier to give it the once-over - it might 
> be that a bit of judicious reinforcement here & there will help.
>
> It's a well-known event - modeller arrives at field, puts just a couple of 
> wing bands on to carry the model to the flying patch - forgets to add the 
> rquired number, then wonders why the model 'claps hands' in flight.
> Perhaps you didn't have enough rubber bands on, or it might be an idea to 
> have a couple running fore-aft, and NOT crossing over in the middle.
>
>  Good luck,
>   cheers
>
> Dave

Shop was as good as gold, gave me a new set of wings no question. The 4 
bands i used were the ones supplied with the kit and i fixed them the way 
the instructions showed. 2 front to back and 2 crossed. However, I've now 
added a carbon strut across the wing and a few strips of glass tape, its 
made all the difference!
Took it out last night in a slight breeze and had a couple of great flights. 
(and landings more importantly) However, any thing stronger and it doesnt 
want to know.
Now realise how limited the plane is though (more or less full power all the 
time and it doesnt exactly glide well).
Several locals all seem to have the same indestructable soarer called a 
"Wild Thing" One guy demonstrated its toughness by actually standing on the 
wings then chucking it straight off for a 15 minute flight before 
practically bouncing it into the ground. (just for my benefit i might add) 
Picked it back up and not a mark on it. Looks like a good model for me to 
try next.
Thanks for your comments Dave, much appreciated.

Gary

deepblue wrote:
> "Dave Lane"  wrote in message 
> news:f40j8v$k08$1@south.jnrs.ja.net...
>> deepblue wrote:
>>> "The Natural Philosopher" <a@b.c> wrote in message 
>>> news:1180733563.61670.1@demeter.uk.clara.net...
>>>> deepblue wrote:
>>>>> Hi.
>>>>> For years i've wanted an rc aircraft of some description and finally 
>>>>> after much discussion with my local model shop purchased a Ripmax 
>>>>> Serenity electric powered glider. <snip>
>>>>> I intend to take it back to the shop where i purchased from and am not 
>>>>> going to pass judgement until i speak with them. However, my question 
>>>>> is, has this happened to anyone else in similar circumstances, and if 
>>>>> so did i do something wrong?
>>
>>   Hi - don't be put off - we've all been there....part of the game, 
>> really.  If the model was faulty, hopefully you'll get a replacement - but 
>> if possible, find an experienced flier to give it the once-over - it might 
>> be that a bit of judicious reinforcement here & there will help.
>>
>> It's a well-known event - modeller arrives at field, puts just a couple of 
>> wing bands on to carry the model to the flying patch - forgets to add the 
>> rquired number, then wonders why the model 'claps hands' in flight.
>> Perhaps you didn't have enough rubber bands on, or it might be an idea to 
>> have a couple running fore-aft, and NOT crossing over in the middle.
>>
>>  Good luck,
>>   cheers
>>
>> Dave
> 
> Shop was as good as gold, gave me a new set of wings no question. The 4 
> bands i used were the ones supplied with the kit and i fixed them the way 
> the instructions showed. 2 front to back and 2 crossed. However, I've now 
> added a carbon strut across the wing and a few strips of glass tape, its 
> made all the difference!
> Took it out last night in a slight breeze and had a couple of great flights. 
> (and landings more importantly) However, any thing stronger and it doesnt 
> want to know.
> Now realise how limited the plane is though (more or less full power all the 
> time and it doesnt exactly glide well).
> Several locals all seem to have the same indestructable soarer called a 
> "Wild Thing" One guy demonstrated its toughness by actually standing on the 
> wings then chucking it straight off for a 15 minute flight before 
> practically bouncing it into the ground. (just for my benefit i might add) 
> Picked it back up and not a mark on it. Looks like a good model for me to 
> try next.
> Thanks for your comments Dave, much appreciated.
> 
> Gary
> 
> 
there is also the Zagi range do a google

deepblue wrote:

> 
> Shop was as good as gold, gave me a new set of wings no question. The 4 
> bands i used were the ones supplied with the kit and i fixed them the way 
> the instructions showed. 2 front to back and 2 crossed. However, I've now 
> added a carbon strut across the wing and a few strips of glass tape, its 
> made all the difference!


   that's it...


> Took it out last night in a slight breeze and had a couple of great flights. 
> (and landings more importantly) However, any thing stronger and it doesnt 
> want to know.


  grit your teeth and pray for low winds - at least for a while yet.  As 
a beginner, the last thingthat you want is to have to deal with that - 
just try and get as many hours in as you can - I hope that you can find 
someone to help you out a bit



> Now realise how limited the plane is though (more or less full power all the 
> time and it doesnt exactly glide well).
> Several locals all seem to have the same indestructable soarer called a 
> "Wild Thing" 


   yup, they're pretty much indestructable.  You might want to consider 
one of the leccy-powered wings such as the Zagi already mentioned for a 
second model.  They do look a bit odd in the air until you get used to 
them, but are fairly easy to fly and will withstand a lot of knocks.  I 
have a Combat Wings MiniXE which has had many, many hours of rough and 
tumble - goes well on the supplied motor, but put a brushless such as a 
400DF (justgofly.com) and scare yourself silly...  :+)

cheers,
Dave

Dave/funfly3

Have seen the zagi, and youre right it does a similar job to the wild thing 
but with the added motor.
I must admit to being a bit torn between the two but i really want a soarer 
not an electric.
Then again at £40 a pop for either (plus the engine i think) i could always 
be greedy and have both.........

Gary


"Dave Lane"  wrote in message 
news:f438qe$f2j$1@south.jnrs.ja.net...
> deepblue wrote:
>
>>
>> Shop was as good as gold, gave me a new set of wings no question. The 4 
>> bands i used were the ones supplied with the kit and i fixed them the way 
>> the instructions showed. 2 front to back and 2 crossed. However, I've now 
>> added a carbon strut across the wing and a few strips of glass tape, its 
>> made all the difference!
>
>
>   that's it...
>
>
>> Took it out last night in a slight breeze and had a couple of great 
>> flights. (and landings more importantly) However, any thing stronger and 
>> it doesnt want to know.
>
>
>  grit your teeth and pray for low winds - at least for a while yet.  As a 
> beginner, the last thingthat you want is to have to deal with that - just 
> try and get as many hours in as you can - I hope that you can find someone 
> to help you out a bit
>
>
>
>> Now realise how limited the plane is though (more or less full power all 
>> the time and it doesnt exactly glide well).
>> Several locals all seem to have the same indestructable soarer called a 
>> "Wild Thing"
>
>
>   yup, they're pretty much indestructable.  You might want to consider one 
> of the leccy-powered wings such as the Zagi already mentioned for a second 
> model.  They do look a bit odd in the air until you get used to them, but 
> are fairly easy to fly and will withstand a lot of knocks.  I have a 
> Combat Wings MiniXE which has had many, many hours of rough and tumble - 
> goes well on the supplied motor, but put a brushless such as a 400DF 
> (justgofly.com) and scare yourself silly...  :+)
>
> cheers,
> Dave

deepblue wrote:
> Dave/funfly3
> 
> Have seen the zagi, and youre right it does a similar job to the wild thing 
> but with the added motor.
> I must admit to being a bit torn between the two but i really want a soarer 
> not an electric.
> Then again at £40 a pop for either (plus the engine i think) i could always 
> be greedy and have both.........
> 
> Gary
> 
> 
> "Dave Lane"  wrote in message 
> news:f438qe$f2j$1@south.jnrs.ja.net...
>> deepblue wrote:
>>
>>> Shop was as good as gold, gave me a new set of wings no question. The 4 
>>> bands i used were the ones supplied with the kit and i fixed them the way 
>>> the instructions showed. 2 front to back and 2 crossed. However, I've now 
>>> added a carbon strut across the wing and a few strips of glass tape, its 
>>> made all the difference!
>>
>>   that's it...
>>
>>
>>> Took it out last night in a slight breeze and had a couple of great 
>>> flights. (and landings more importantly) However, any thing stronger and 
>>> it doesnt want to know.
>>
>>  grit your teeth and pray for low winds - at least for a while yet.  As a 
>> beginner, the last thingthat you want is to have to deal with that - just 
>> try and get as many hours in as you can - I hope that you can find someone 
>> to help you out a bit
>>
>>
>>
>>> Now realise how limited the plane is though (more or less full power all 
>>> the time and it doesnt exactly glide well).
>>> Several locals all seem to have the same indestructable soarer called a 
>>> "Wild Thing"
>>
>>   yup, they're pretty much indestructable.  You might want to consider one 
>> of the leccy-powered wings such as the Zagi already mentioned for a second 
>> model.  They do look a bit odd in the air until you get used to them, but 
>> are fairly easy to fly and will withstand a lot of knocks.  I have a 
>> Combat Wings MiniXE which has had many, many hours of rough and tumble - 
>> goes well on the supplied motor, but put a brushless such as a 400DF 
>> (justgofly.com) and scare yourself silly...  :+)
>>
>> cheers,
>> Dave 
> 
> 
I know a few in my club use a electric Zagi as a soarer with the added 
bonus of a motor if needed, I have bounced mine in quite a few times 
messing about trying new things and its not broken yet

deepblue wrote:
> Dave/funfly3
> 
> Have seen the zagi, and youre right it does a similar job to the wild thing 
> but with the added motor.
> I must admit to being a bit torn between the two but i really want a soarer 
> not an electric.
> Then again at £40 a pop for either (plus the engine i think) i could always 
> be greedy and have both.........
> 
> 

  heh, go for it...  slope soarers are great for building up the flying 
time if you have a handy place and the winds are kind.  With the lower 
mass (no motor/flight battery) they do tend to bounce better too!
Good luck,

Dave

"Dave Lane"  wrote in message 
news:f45r86$a8i$1@south.jnrs.ja.net...
deepblue wrote:
> Dave/funfly3
>
> Have seen the zagi, and youre right it does a similar job to the wild 
> thing but with the added motor.
> I must admit to being a bit torn between the two but i really want a 
> soarer not an electric.
> Then again at £40 a pop for either (plus the engine i think) i could 
> always be greedy and have both.........
>
>

  heh, go for it...  slope soarers are great for building up the flying
time if you have a handy place and the winds are kind.  With the lower
mass (no motor/flight battery) they do tend to bounce better too!
Good luck,

Dave

Well, bit the bullet and brought a wild thing today.
Lots of lovely foam and tape, just have to figure out how it all goes 
together now.....

Gary

"Dave Lane"  wrote in message
news:f45r86$a8i$1@south.jnrs.ja.net...
deepblue wrote:
> Dave/funfly3
>
> Have seen the zagi, and youre right it does a similar job to the wild
> thing but with the added motor.
> I must admit to being a bit torn between the two but i really want a
> soarer not an electric.
> Then again at £40 a pop for either (plus the engine i think) i could
> always be greedy and have both.........
>
>

  heh, go for it...  slope soarers are great for building up the flying
time if you have a handy place and the winds are kind.  With the lower
mass (no motor/flight battery) they do tend to bounce better too!
Good luck,

Dave

Well, bit the bullet and brought a wild thing today.
Lots of lovely foam and tape, just have to figure out how it all goes
together now.....

Gary

deepblue wrote:
> Hi.
> For years i've wanted an rc aircraft of some description and finally after 
> much discussion with my local model shop purchased a Ripmax Serenity 
> electric powered glider. It comes artf with a plastic body with engine and 
> mechanics already installed. The wings are made of a lightweight foam 
> substance attached to the body by crossed elastic bands. It also has a 3 
> channel r/c included all for the princely sum of £75.00.
> I had decided to go with a relatively low cost plane in case i found i didnt 
> enjoy flying after all.
> Took it to a local field for its first flight and with zero wind spent a few 
> minutes just doing lazy turns and really enjoying myself. Then decided to 
> try a first landing and was amazed to land it quite gently at the first 
> attempt. I then launched it again and continued doing the same thing, nice 
> lazy turns with a bit more power.
> I then noticed that both the wings were bent upwards at a really strange 
> angle and thought it best to bring it down to investigate. However the port 
> wing suddenly just folded up and the plane came straight down. Investigation 
> showed that the wing had failed right at the point the elastic bands 
> crossed. It wasnt snapped off, just flopping around uselessly.
> I intend to take it back to the shop where i purchased from and am not going 
> to pass judgement until i speak with them. However, my question is, has this 
> happened to anyone else in similar circumstances, and if so did i do 
> something wrong?
> 
> Gary 
> 
> 
what do you expect for 75 quid?

the normal approach is to get a bit of carbon fibre rod and some epoxy, 
and cut a slot in the wings and epoxy the rod in.

You are quite fortunate, in that you managed to get it flying at all.

Try getting another one tho. Its worth a blag.

"The Natural Philosopher" <a@b.c> wrote in message 
news:1180733563.61670.1@demeter.uk.clara.net...
> deepblue wrote:
>> Hi.
>> For years i've wanted an rc aircraft of some description and finally 
>> after much discussion with my local model shop purchased a Ripmax 
>> Serenity electric powered glider. It comes artf with a plastic body with 
>> engine and mechanics already installed. The wings are made of a 
>> lightweight foam substance attached to the body by crossed elastic bands. 
>> It also has a 3 channel r/c included all for the princely sum of £75.00.
>> I had decided to go with a relatively low cost plane in case i found i 
>> didnt enjoy flying after all.
>> Took it to a local field for its first flight and with zero wind spent a 
>> few minutes just doing lazy turns and really enjoying myself. Then 
>> decided to try a first landing and was amazed to land it quite gently at 
>> the first attempt. I then launched it again and continued doing the same 
>> thing, nice lazy turns with a bit more power.
>> I then noticed that both the wings were bent upwards at a really strange 
>> angle and thought it best to bring it down to investigate. However the 
>> port wing suddenly just folded up and the plane came straight down. 
>> Investigation showed that the wing had failed right at the point the 
>> elastic bands crossed. It wasnt snapped off, just flopping around 
>> uselessly.
>> I intend to take it back to the shop where i purchased from and am not 
>> going to pass judgement until i speak with them. However, my question is, 
>> has this happened to anyone else in similar circumstances, and if so did 
>> i do something wrong?
>>
>> Gary
> what do you expect for 75 quid?
>
> the normal approach is to get a bit of carbon fibre rod and some epoxy, 
> and cut a slot in the wings and epoxy the rod in.
>
> You are quite fortunate, in that you managed to get it flying at all.
>
> Try getting another one tho. Its worth a blag.

The cost has nothing to do with it, I certainly dont expect something to 
fall apart the first time i use it. I saw another glider with a more or less 
solid wing which in hindsight seems much more substantial.

deepblue wrote:
> "The Natural Philosopher" <a@b.c> wrote in message 
> news:1180733563.61670.1@demeter.uk.clara.net...
>> deepblue wrote:
>>> Hi.
>>> For years i've wanted an rc aircraft of some description and finally 
>>> after much discussion with my local model shop purchased a Ripmax 
>>> Serenity electric powered glider. It comes artf with a plastic body with 
>>> engine and mechanics already installed. The wings are made of a 
>>> lightweight foam substance attached to the body by crossed elastic bands. 
>>> It also has a 3 channel r/c included all for the princely sum of £75.00.
>>> I had decided to go with a relatively low cost plane in case i found i 
>>> didnt enjoy flying after all.
>>> Took it to a local field for its first flight and with zero wind spent a 
>>> few minutes just doing lazy turns and really enjoying myself. Then 
>>> decided to try a first landing and was amazed to land it quite gently at 
>>> the first attempt. I then launched it again and continued doing the same 
>>> thing, nice lazy turns with a bit more power.
>>> I then noticed that both the wings were bent upwards at a really strange 
>>> angle and thought it best to bring it down to investigate. However the 
>>> port wing suddenly just folded up and the plane came straight down. 
>>> Investigation showed that the wing had failed right at the point the 
>>> elastic bands crossed. It wasnt snapped off, just flopping around 
>>> uselessly.
>>> I intend to take it back to the shop where i purchased from and am not 
>>> going to pass judgement until i speak with them. However, my question is, 
>>> has this happened to anyone else in similar circumstances, and if so did 
>>> i do something wrong?
>>>
>>> Gary
>> what do you expect for 75 quid?
>>
>> the normal approach is to get a bit of carbon fibre rod and some epoxy, 
>> and cut a slot in the wings and epoxy the rod in.
>>
>> You are quite fortunate, in that you managed to get it flying at all.
>>
>> Try getting another one tho. Its worth a blag.
> 
> The cost has nothing to do with it, I certainly dont expect something to 
> fall apart the first time i use it. I saw another glider with a more or less 
> solid wing which in hindsight seems much more substantial.
> 
> 
I always feel, with my philosophical hat on, that eliminating the words 
'right' and 'expect' and 'fair' from the language along with the 
underlying concepts they espouse, would actually result in a happier and 
more efficient society.

You paid. It broke. So what? Ultimately whether you get another one is 
down to a complex assessment by the vendor of how much custom you might 
represent in future, and how much power you have to bad mouth him all 
over the Internet, and reduce his sales.

You may care to use the words 'right' 'expect' and 'fair' as part of the 
negotiations you undertake with him, but please, for your future peace 
of mind, don't go *believing* in them. Or ypu will find yourself a 
lonely and sadder man.

deepblue wrote:
> "The Natural Philosopher" <a@b.c> wrote in message 
> news:1180733563.61670.1@demeter.uk.clara.net...
>> deepblue wrote:
>>> Hi.
>>> For years i've wanted an rc aircraft of some description and finally 
>>> after much discussion with my local model shop purchased a Ripmax 
>>> Serenity electric powered glider. <snip>

>>> I intend to take it back to the shop where i purchased from and am not 
>>> going to pass judgement until i speak with them. However, my question is, 
>>> has this happened to anyone else in similar circumstances, and if so did 
>>> i do something wrong?


   Hi - don't be put off - we've all been there....part of the game, 
really.  If the model was faulty, hopefully you'll get a replacement - 
but if possible, find an experienced flier to give it the once-over - it 
might be that a bit of judicious reinforcement here & there will help.

It's a well-known event - modeller arrives at field, puts just a couple 
of wing bands on to carry the model to the flying patch - forgets to add 
the rquired number, then wonders why the model 'claps hands' in flight.
Perhaps you didn't have enough rubber bands on, or it might be an idea 
to have a couple running fore-aft, and NOT crossing over in the middle.

  Good luck,
   cheers

Dave

"Dave Lane"  wrote in message 
news:f40j8v$k08$1@south.jnrs.ja.net...
> deepblue wrote:
>> "The Natural Philosopher" <a@b.c> wrote in message 
>> news:1180733563.61670.1@demeter.uk.clara.net...
>>> deepblue wrote:
>>>> Hi.
>>>> For years i've wanted an rc aircraft of some description and finally 
>>>> after much discussion with my local model shop purchased a Ripmax 
>>>> Serenity electric powered glider. <snip>
>
>>>> I intend to take it back to the shop where i purchased from and am not 
>>>> going to pass judgement until i speak with them. However, my question 
>>>> is, has this happened to anyone else in similar circumstances, and if 
>>>> so did i do something wrong?
>
>
>   Hi - don't be put off - we've all been there....part of the game, 
> really.  If the model was faulty, hopefully you'll get a replacement - but 
> if possible, find an experienced flier to give it the once-over - it might 
> be that a bit of judicious reinforcement here & there will help.
>
> It's a well-known event - modeller arrives at field, puts just a couple of 
> wing bands on to carry the model to the flying patch - forgets to add the 
> rquired number, then wonders why the model 'claps hands' in flight.
> Perhaps you didn't have enough rubber bands on, or it might be an idea to 
> have a couple running fore-aft, and NOT crossing over in the middle.
>
>  Good luck,
>   cheers
>
> Dave

Shop was as good as gold, gave me a new set of wings no question. The 4 
bands i used were the ones supplied with the kit and i fixed them the way 
the instructions showed. 2 front to back and 2 crossed. However, I've now 
added a carbon strut across the wing and a few strips of glass tape, its 
made all the difference!
Took it out last night in a slight breeze and had a couple of great flights. 
(and landings more importantly) However, any thing stronger and it doesnt 
want to know.
Now realise how limited the plane is though (more or less full power all the 
time and it doesnt exactly glide well).
Several locals all seem to have the same indestructable soarer called a 
"Wild Thing" One guy demonstrated its toughness by actually standing on the 
wings then chucking it straight off for a 15 minute flight before 
practically bouncing it into the ground. (just for my benefit i might add) 
Picked it back up and not a mark on it. Looks like a good model for me to 
try next.
Thanks for your comments Dave, much appreciated.

Gary

deepblue wrote:
> "Dave Lane"  wrote in message 
> news:f40j8v$k08$1@south.jnrs.ja.net...
>> deepblue wrote:
>>> "The Natural Philosopher" <a@b.c> wrote in message 
>>> news:1180733563.61670.1@demeter.uk.clara.net...
>>>> deepblue wrote:
>>>>> Hi.
>>>>> For years i've wanted an rc aircraft of some description and finally 
>>>>> after much discussion with my local model shop purchased a Ripmax 
>>>>> Serenity electric powered glider. <snip>
>>>>> I intend to take it back to the shop where i purchased from and am not 
>>>>> going to pass judgement until i speak with them. However, my question 
>>>>> is, has this happened to anyone else in similar circumstances, and if 
>>>>> so did i do something wrong?
>>
>>   Hi - don't be put off - we've all been there....part of the game, 
>> really.  If the model was faulty, hopefully you'll get a replacement - but 
>> if possible, find an experienced flier to give it the once-over - it might 
>> be that a bit of judicious reinforcement here & there will help.
>>
>> It's a well-known event - modeller arrives at field, puts just a couple of 
>> wing bands on to carry the model to the flying patch - forgets to add the 
>> rquired number, then wonders why the model 'claps hands' in flight.
>> Perhaps you didn't have enough rubber bands on, or it might be an idea to 
>> have a couple running fore-aft, and NOT crossing over in the middle.
>>
>>  Good luck,
>>   cheers
>>
>> Dave
> 
> Shop was as good as gold, gave me a new set of wings no question. The 4 
> bands i used were the ones supplied with the kit and i fixed them the way 
> the instructions showed. 2 front to back and 2 crossed. However, I've now 
> added a carbon strut across the wing and a few strips of glass tape, its 
> made all the difference!
> Took it out last night in a slight breeze and had a couple of great flights. 
> (and landings more importantly) However, any thing stronger and it doesnt 
> want to know.
> Now realise how limited the plane is though (more or less full power all the 
> time and it doesnt exactly glide well).
> Several locals all seem to have the same indestructable soarer called a 
> "Wild Thing" One guy demonstrated its toughness by actually standing on the 
> wings then chucking it straight off for a 15 minute flight before 
> practically bouncing it into the ground. (just for my benefit i might add) 
> Picked it back up and not a mark on it. Looks like a good model for me to 
> try next.
> Thanks for your comments Dave, much appreciated.
> 
> Gary
> 
> 
there is also the Zagi range do a google

deepblue wrote:

> 
> Shop was as good as gold, gave me a new set of wings no question. The 4 
> bands i used were the ones supplied with the kit and i fixed them the way 
> the instructions showed. 2 front to back and 2 crossed. However, I've now 
> added a carbon strut across the wing and a few strips of glass tape, its 
> made all the difference!


   that's it...


> Took it out last night in a slight breeze and had a couple of great flights. 
> (and landings more importantly) However, any thing stronger and it doesnt 
> want to know.


  grit your teeth and pray for low winds - at least for a while yet.  As 
a beginner, the last thingthat you want is to have to deal with that - 
just try and get as many hours in as you can - I hope that you can find 
someone to help you out a bit



> Now realise how limited the plane is though (more or less full power all the 
> time and it doesnt exactly glide well).
> Several locals all seem to have the same indestructable soarer called a 
> "Wild Thing" 


   yup, they're pretty much indestructable.  You might want to consider 
one of the leccy-powered wings such as the Zagi already mentioned for a 
second model.  They do look a bit odd in the air until you get used to 
them, but are fairly easy to fly and will withstand a lot of knocks.  I 
have a Combat Wings MiniXE which has had many, many hours of rough and 
tumble - goes well on the supplied motor, but put a brushless such as a 
400DF (justgofly.com) and scare yourself silly...  :+)

cheers,
Dave

Dave/funfly3

Have seen the zagi, and youre right it does a similar job to the wild thing 
but with the added motor.
I must admit to being a bit torn between the two but i really want a soarer 
not an electric.
Then again at £40 a pop for either (plus the engine i think) i could always 
be greedy and have both.........

Gary


"Dave Lane"  wrote in message 
news:f438qe$f2j$1@south.jnrs.ja.net...
> deepblue wrote:
>
>>
>> Shop was as good as gold, gave me a new set of wings no question. The 4 
>> bands i used were the ones supplied with the kit and i fixed them the way 
>> the instructions showed. 2 front to back and 2 crossed. However, I've now 
>> added a carbon strut across the wing and a few strips of glass tape, its 
>> made all the difference!
>
>
>   that's it...
>
>
>> Took it out last night in a slight breeze and had a couple of great 
>> flights. (and landings more importantly) However, any thing stronger and 
>> it doesnt want to know.
>
>
>  grit your teeth and pray for low winds - at least for a while yet.  As a 
> beginner, the last thingthat you want is to have to deal with that - just 
> try and get as many hours in as you can - I hope that you can find someone 
> to help you out a bit
>
>
>
>> Now realise how limited the plane is though (more or less full power all 
>> the time and it doesnt exactly glide well).
>> Several locals all seem to have the same indestructable soarer called a 
>> "Wild Thing"
>
>
>   yup, they're pretty much indestructable.  You might want to consider one 
> of the leccy-powered wings such as the Zagi already mentioned for a second 
> model.  They do look a bit odd in the air until you get used to them, but 
> are fairly easy to fly and will withstand a lot of knocks.  I have a 
> Combat Wings MiniXE which has had many, many hours of rough and tumble - 
> goes well on the supplied motor, but put a brushless such as a 400DF 
> (justgofly.com) and scare yourself silly...  :+)
>
> cheers,
> Dave

deepblue wrote:
> Dave/funfly3
> 
> Have seen the zagi, and youre right it does a similar job to the wild thing 
> but with the added motor.
> I must admit to being a bit torn between the two but i really want a soarer 
> not an electric.
> Then again at £40 a pop for either (plus the engine i think) i could always 
> be greedy and have both.........
> 
> Gary
> 
> 
> "Dave Lane"  wrote in message 
> news:f438qe$f2j$1@south.jnrs.ja.net...
>> deepblue wrote:
>>
>>> Shop was as good as gold, gave me a new set of wings no question. The 4 
>>> bands i used were the ones supplied with the kit and i fixed them the way 
>>> the instructions showed. 2 front to back and 2 crossed. However, I've now 
>>> added a carbon strut across the wing and a few strips of glass tape, its 
>>> made all the difference!
>>
>>   that's it...
>>
>>
>>> Took it out last night in a slight breeze and had a couple of great 
>>> flights. (and landings more importantly) However, any thing stronger and 
>>> it doesnt want to know.
>>
>>  grit your teeth and pray for low winds - at least for a while yet.  As a 
>> beginner, the last thingthat you want is to have to deal with that - just 
>> try and get as many hours in as you can - I hope that you can find someone 
>> to help you out a bit
>>
>>
>>
>>> Now realise how limited the plane is though (more or less full power all 
>>> the time and it doesnt exactly glide well).
>>> Several locals all seem to have the same indestructable soarer called a 
>>> "Wild Thing"
>>
>>   yup, they're pretty much indestructable.  You might want to consider one 
>> of the leccy-powered wings such as the Zagi already mentioned for a second 
>> model.  They do look a bit odd in the air until you get used to them, but 
>> are fairly easy to fly and will withstand a lot of knocks.  I have a 
>> Combat Wings MiniXE which has had many, many hours of rough and tumble - 
>> goes well on the supplied motor, but put a brushless such as a 400DF 
>> (justgofly.com) and scare yourself silly...  :+)
>>
>> cheers,
>> Dave 
> 
> 
I know a few in my club use a electric Zagi as a soarer with the added 
bonus of a motor if needed, I have bounced mine in quite a few times 
messing about trying new things and its not broken yet

deepblue wrote:
> Dave/funfly3
> 
> Have seen the zagi, and youre right it does a similar job to the wild thing 
> but with the added motor.
> I must admit to being a bit torn between the two but i really want a soarer 
> not an electric.
> Then again at £40 a pop for either (plus the engine i think) i could always 
> be greedy and have both.........
> 
> 

  heh, go for it...  slope soarers are great for building up the flying 
time if you have a handy place and the winds are kind.  With the lower 
mass (no motor/flight battery) they do tend to bounce better too!
Good luck,

Dave

"Dave Lane"  wrote in message 
news:f45r86$a8i$1@south.jnrs.ja.net...
deepblue wrote:
> Dave/funfly3
>
> Have seen the zagi, and youre right it does a similar job to the wild 
> thing but with the added motor.
> I must admit to being a bit torn between the two but i really want a 
> soarer not an electric.
> Then again at £40 a pop for either (plus the engine i think) i could 
> always be greedy and have both.........
>
>

  heh, go for it...  slope soarers are great for building up the flying
time if you have a handy place and the winds are kind.  With the lower
mass (no motor/flight battery) they do tend to bounce better too!
Good luck,

Dave

Well, bit the bullet and brought a wild thing today.
Lots of lovely foam and tape, just have to figure out how it all goes 
together now.....

Gary

"Dave Lane"  wrote in message
news:f45r86$a8i$1@south.jnrs.ja.net...
deepblue wrote:
> Dave/funfly3
>
> Have seen the zagi, and youre right it does a similar job to the wild
> thing but with the added motor.
> I must admit to being a bit torn between the two but i really want a
> soarer not an electric.
> Then again at £40 a pop for either (plus the engine i think) i could
> always be greedy and have both.........
>
>

  heh, go for it...  slope soarers are great for building up the flying
time if you have a handy place and the winds are kind.  With the lower
mass (no motor/flight battery) they do tend to bounce better too!
Good luck,

Dave

Well, bit the bullet and brought a wild thing today.
Lots of lovely foam and tape, just have to figure out how it all goes
together now.....

Gary

deepblue wrote:
> Hi.
> For years i've wanted an rc aircraft of some description and finally after 
> much discussion with my local model shop purchased a Ripmax Serenity 
> electric powered glider. It comes artf with a plastic body with engine and 
> mechanics already installed. The wings are made of a lightweight foam 
> substance attached to the body by crossed elastic bands. It also has a 3 
> channel r/c included all for the princely sum of £75.00.
> I had decided to go with a relatively low cost plane in case i found i didnt 
> enjoy flying after all.
> Took it to a local field for its first flight and with zero wind spent a few 
> minutes just doing lazy turns and really enjoying myself. Then decided to 
> try a first landing and was amazed to land it quite gently at the first 
> attempt. I then launched it again and continued doing the same thing, nice 
> lazy turns with a bit more power.
> I then noticed that both the wings were bent upwards at a really strange 
> angle and thought it best to bring it down to investigate. However the port 
> wing suddenly just folded up and the plane came straight down. Investigation 
> showed that the wing had failed right at the point the elastic bands 
> crossed. It wasnt snapped off, just flopping around uselessly.
> I intend to take it back to the shop where i purchased from and am not going 
> to pass judgement until i speak with them. However, my question is, has this 
> happened to anyone else in similar circumstances, and if so did i do 
> something wrong?
> 
> Gary 
> 
> 
what do you expect for 75 quid?

the normal approach is to get a bit of carbon fibre rod and some epoxy, 
and cut a slot in the wings and epoxy the rod in.

You are quite fortunate, in that you managed to get it flying at all.

Try getting another one tho. Its worth a blag.

"The Natural Philosopher" <a@b.c> wrote in message 
news:1180733563.61670.1@demeter.uk.clara.net...
> deepblue wrote:
>> Hi.
>> For years i've wanted an rc aircraft of some description and finally 
>> after much discussion with my local model shop purchased a Ripmax 
>> Serenity electric powered glider. It comes artf with a plastic body with 
>> engine and mechanics already installed. The wings are made of a 
>> lightweight foam substance attached to the body by crossed elastic bands. 
>> It also has a 3 channel r/c included all for the princely sum of £75.00.
>> I had decided to go with a relatively low cost plane in case i found i 
>> didnt enjoy flying after all.
>> Took it to a local field for its first flight and with zero wind spent a 
>> few minutes just doing lazy turns and really enjoying myself. Then 
>> decided to try a first landing and was amazed to land it quite gently at 
>> the first attempt. I then launched it again and continued doing the same 
>> thing, nice lazy turns with a bit more power.
>> I then noticed that both the wings were bent upwards at a really strange 
>> angle and thought it best to bring it down to investigate. However the 
>> port wing suddenly just folded up and the plane came straight down. 
>> Investigation showed that the wing had failed right at the point the 
>> elastic bands crossed. It wasnt snapped off, just flopping around 
>> uselessly.
>> I intend to take it back to the shop where i purchased from and am not 
>> going to pass judgement until i speak with them. However, my question is, 
>> has this happened to anyone else in similar circumstances, and if so did 
>> i do something wrong?
>>
>> Gary
> what do you expect for 75 quid?
>
> the normal approach is to get a bit of carbon fibre rod and some epoxy, 
> and cut a slot in the wings and epoxy the rod in.
>
> You are quite fortunate, in that you managed to get it flying at all.
>
> Try getting another one tho. Its worth a blag.

The cost has nothing to do with it, I certainly dont expect something to 
fall apart the first time i use it. I saw another glider with a more or less 
solid wing which in hindsight seems much more substantial.

deepblue wrote:
> "The Natural Philosopher" <a@b.c> wrote in message 
> news:1180733563.61670.1@demeter.uk.clara.net...
>> deepblue wrote:
>>> Hi.
>>> For years i've wanted an rc aircraft of some description and finally 
>>> after much discussion with my local model shop purchased a Ripmax 
>>> Serenity electric powered glider. It comes artf with a plastic body with 
>>> engine and mechanics already installed. The wings are made of a 
>>> lightweight foam substance attached to the body by crossed elastic bands. 
>>> It also has a 3 channel r/c included all for the princely sum of £75.00.
>>> I had decided to go with a relatively low cost plane in case i found i 
>>> didnt enjoy flying after all.
>>> Took it to a local field for its first flight and with zero wind spent a 
>>> few minutes just doing lazy turns and really enjoying myself. Then 
>>> decided to try a first landing and was amazed to land it quite gently at 
>>> the first attempt. I then launched it again and continued doing the same 
>>> thing, nice lazy turns with a bit more power.
>>> I then noticed that both the wings were bent upwards at a really strange 
>>> angle and thought it best to bring it down to investigate. However the 
>>> port wing suddenly just folded up and the plane came straight down. 
>>> Investigation showed that the wing had failed right at the point the 
>>> elastic bands crossed. It wasnt snapped off, just flopping around 
>>> uselessly.
>>> I intend to take it back to the shop where i purchased from and am not 
>>> going to pass judgement until i speak with them. However, my question is, 
>>> has this happened to anyone else in similar circumstances, and if so did 
>>> i do something wrong?
>>>
>>> Gary
>> what do you expect for 75 quid?
>>
>> the normal approach is to get a bit of carbon fibre rod and some epoxy, 
>> and cut a slot in the wings and epoxy the rod in.
>>
>> You are quite fortunate, in that you managed to get it flying at all.
>>
>> Try getting another one tho. Its worth a blag.
> 
> The cost has nothing to do with it, I certainly dont expect something to 
> fall apart the first time i use it. I saw another glider with a more or less 
> solid wing which in hindsight seems much more substantial.
> 
> 
I always feel, with my philosophical hat on, that eliminating the words 
'right' and 'expect' and 'fair' from the language along with the 
underlying concepts they espouse, would actually result in a happier and 
more efficient society.

You paid. It broke. So what? Ultimately whether you get another one is 
down to a complex assessment by the vendor of how much custom you might 
represent in future, and how much power you have to bad mouth him all 
over the Internet, and reduce his sales.

You may care to use the words 'right' 'expect' and 'fair' as part of the 
negotiations you undertake with him, but please, for your future peace 
of mind, don't go *believing* in them. Or ypu will find yourself a 
lonely and sadder man.

deepblue wrote:
> "The Natural Philosopher" <a@b.c> wrote in message 
> news:1180733563.61670.1@demeter.uk.clara.net...
>> deepblue wrote:
>>> Hi.
>>> For years i've wanted an rc aircraft of some description and finally 
>>> after much discussion with my local model shop purchased a Ripmax 
>>> Serenity electric powered glider. <snip>

>>> I intend to take it back to the shop where i purchased from and am not 
>>> going to pass judgement until i speak with them. However, my question is, 
>>> has this happened to anyone else in similar circumstances, and if so did 
>>> i do something wrong?


   Hi - don't be put off - we've all been there....part of the game, 
really.  If the model was faulty, hopefully you'll get a replacement - 
but if possible, find an experienced flier to give it the once-over - it 
might be that a bit of judicious reinforcement here & there will help.

It's a well-known event - modeller arrives at field, puts just a couple 
of wing bands on to carry the model to the flying patch - forgets to add 
the rquired number, then wonders why the model 'claps hands' in flight.
Perhaps you didn't have enough rubber bands on, or it might be an idea 
to have a couple running fore-aft, and NOT crossing over in the middle.

  Good luck,
   cheers

Dave

"Dave Lane"  wrote in message 
news:f40j8v$k08$1@south.jnrs.ja.net...
> deepblue wrote:
>> "The Natural Philosopher" <a@b.c> wrote in message 
>> news:1180733563.61670.1@demeter.uk.clara.net...
>>> deepblue wrote:
>>>> Hi.
>>>> For years i've wanted an rc aircraft of some description and finally 
>>>> after much discussion with my local model shop purchased a Ripmax 
>>>> Serenity electric powered glider. <snip>
>
>>>> I intend to take it back to the shop where i purchased from and am not 
>>>> going to pass judgement until i speak with them. However, my question 
>>>> is, has this happened to anyone else in similar circumstances, and if 
>>>> so did i do something wrong?
>
>
>   Hi - don't be put off - we've all been there....part of the game, 
> really.  If the model was faulty, hopefully you'll get a replacement - but 
> if possible, find an experienced flier to give it the once-over - it might 
> be that a bit of judicious reinforcement here & there will help.
>
> It's a well-known event - modeller arrives at field, puts just a couple of 
> wing bands on to carry the model to the flying patch - forgets to add the 
> rquired number, then wonders why the model 'claps hands' in flight.
> Perhaps you didn't have enough rubber bands on, or it might be an idea to 
> have a couple running fore-aft, and NOT crossing over in the middle.
>
>  Good luck,
>   cheers
>
> Dave

Shop was as good as gold, gave me a new set of wings no question. The 4 
bands i used were the ones supplied with the kit and i fixed them the way 
the instructions showed. 2 front to back and 2 crossed. However, I've now 
added a carbon strut across the wing and a few strips of glass tape, its 
made all the difference!
Took it out last night in a slight breeze and had a couple of great flights. 
(and landings more importantly) However, any thing stronger and it doesnt 
want to know.
Now realise how limited the plane is though (more or less full power all the 
time and it doesnt exactly glide well).
Several locals all seem to have the same indestructable soarer called a 
"Wild Thing" One guy demonstrated its toughness by actually standing on the 
wings then chucking it straight off for a 15 minute flight before 
practically bouncing it into the ground. (just for my benefit i might add) 
Picked it back up and not a mark on it. Looks like a good model for me to 
try next.
Thanks for your comments Dave, much appreciated.

Gary

deepblue wrote:
> "Dave Lane"  wrote in message 
> news:f40j8v$k08$1@south.jnrs.ja.net...
>> deepblue wrote:
>>> "The Natural Philosopher" <a@b.c> wrote in message 
>>> news:1180733563.61670.1@demeter.uk.clara.net...
>>>> deepblue wrote:
>>>>> Hi.
>>>>> For years i've wanted an rc aircraft of some description and finally 
>>>>> after much discussion with my local model shop purchased a Ripmax 
>>>>> Serenity electric powered glider. <snip>
>>>>> I intend to take it back to the shop where i purchased from and am not 
>>>>> going to pass judgement until i speak with them. However, my question 
>>>>> is, has this happened to anyone else in similar circumstances, and if 
>>>>> so did i do something wrong?
>>
>>   Hi - don't be put off - we've all been there....part of the game, 
>> really.  If the model was faulty, hopefully you'll get a replacement - but 
>> if possible, find an experienced flier to give it the once-over - it might 
>> be that a bit of judicious reinforcement here & there will help.
>>
>> It's a well-known event - modeller arrives at field, puts just a couple of 
>> wing bands on to carry the model to the flying patch - forgets to add the 
>> rquired number, then wonders why the model 'claps hands' in flight.
>> Perhaps you didn't have enough rubber bands on, or it might be an idea to 
>> have a couple running fore-aft, and NOT crossing over in the middle.
>>
>>  Good luck,
>>   cheers
>>
>> Dave
> 
> Shop was as good as gold, gave me a new set of wings no question. The 4 
> bands i used were the ones supplied with the kit and i fixed them the way 
> the instructions showed. 2 front to back and 2 crossed. However, I've now 
> added a carbon strut across the wing and a few strips of glass tape, its 
> made all the difference!
> Took it out last night in a slight breeze and had a couple of great flights. 
> (and landings more importantly) However, any thing stronger and it doesnt 
> want to know.
> Now realise how limited the plane is though (more or less full power all the 
> time and it doesnt exactly glide well).
> Several locals all seem to have the same indestructable soarer called a 
> "Wild Thing" One guy demonstrated its toughness by actually standing on the 
> wings then chucking it straight off for a 15 minute flight before 
> practically bouncing it into the ground. (just for my benefit i might add) 
> Picked it back up and not a mark on it. Looks like a good model for me to 
> try next.
> Thanks for your comments Dave, much appreciated.
> 
> Gary
> 
> 
there is also the Zagi range do a google

deepblue wrote:

> 
> Shop was as good as gold, gave me a new set of wings no question. The 4 
> bands i used were the ones supplied with the kit and i fixed them the way 
> the instructions showed. 2 front to back and 2 crossed. However, I've now 
> added a carbon strut across the wing and a few strips of glass tape, its 
> made all the difference!


   that's it...


> Took it out last night in a slight breeze and had a couple of great flights. 
> (and landings more importantly) However, any thing stronger and it doesnt 
> want to know.


  grit your teeth and pray for low winds - at least for a while yet.  As 
a beginner, the last thingthat you want is to have to deal with that - 
just try and get as many hours in as you can - I hope that you can find 
someone to help you out a bit



> Now realise how limited the plane is though (more or less full power all the 
> time and it doesnt exactly glide well).
> Several locals all seem to have the same indestructable soarer called a 
> "Wild Thing" 


   yup, they're pretty much indestructable.  You might want to consider 
one of the leccy-powered wings such as the Zagi already mentioned for a 
second model.  They do look a bit odd in the air until you get used to 
them, but are fairly easy to fly and will withstand a lot of knocks.  I 
have a Combat Wings MiniXE which has had many, many hours of rough and 
tumble - goes well on the supplied motor, but put a brushless such as a 
400DF (justgofly.com) and scare yourself silly...  :+)

cheers,
Dave

Dave/funfly3

Have seen the zagi, and youre right it does a similar job to the wild thing 
but with the added motor.
I must admit to being a bit torn between the two but i really want a soarer 
not an electric.
Then again at £40 a pop for either (plus the engine i think) i could always 
be greedy and have both.........

Gary


"Dave Lane"  wrote in message 
news:f438qe$f2j$1@south.jnrs.ja.net...
> deepblue wrote:
>
>>
>> Shop was as good as gold, gave me a new set of wings no question. The 4 
>> bands i used were the ones supplied with the kit and i fixed them the way 
>> the instructions showed. 2 front to back and 2 crossed. However, I've now 
>> added a carbon strut across the wing and a few strips of glass tape, its 
>> made all the difference!
>
>
>   that's it...
>
>
>> Took it out last night in a slight breeze and had a couple of great 
>> flights. (and landings more importantly) However, any thing stronger and 
>> it doesnt want to know.
>
>
>  grit your teeth and pray for low winds - at least for a while yet.  As a 
> beginner, the last thingthat you want is to have to deal with that - just 
> try and get as many hours in as you can - I hope that you can find someone 
> to help you out a bit
>
>
>
>> Now realise how limited the plane is though (more or less full power all 
>> the time and it doesnt exactly glide well).
>> Several locals all seem to have the same indestructable soarer called a 
>> "Wild Thing"
>
>
>   yup, they're pretty much indestructable.  You might want to consider one 
> of the leccy-powered wings such as the Zagi already mentioned for a second 
> model.  They do look a bit odd in the air until you get used to them, but 
> are fairly easy to fly and will withstand a lot of knocks.  I have a 
> Combat Wings MiniXE which has had many, many hours of rough and tumble - 
> goes well on the supplied motor, but put a brushless such as a 400DF 
> (justgofly.com) and scare yourself silly...  :+)
>
> cheers,
> Dave

deepblue wrote:
> Dave/funfly3
> 
> Have seen the zagi, and youre right it does a similar job to the wild thing 
> but with the added motor.
> I must admit to being a bit torn between the two but i really want a soarer 
> not an electric.
> Then again at £40 a pop for either (plus the engine i think) i could always 
> be greedy and have both.........
> 
> Gary
> 
> 
> "Dave Lane"  wrote in message 
> news:f438qe$f2j$1@south.jnrs.ja.net...
>> deepblue wrote:
>>
>>> Shop was as good as gold, gave me a new set of wings no question. The 4 
>>> bands i used were the ones supplied with the kit and i fixed them the way 
>>> the instructions showed. 2 front to back and 2 crossed. However, I've now 
>>> added a carbon strut across the wing and a few strips of glass tape, its 
>>> made all the difference!
>>
>>   that's it...
>>
>>
>>> Took it out last night in a slight breeze and had a couple of great 
>>> flights. (and landings more importantly) However, any thing stronger and 
>>> it doesnt want to know.
>>
>>  grit your teeth and pray for low winds - at least for a while yet.  As a 
>> beginner, the last thingthat you want is to have to deal with that - just 
>> try and get as many hours in as you can - I hope that you can find someone 
>> to help you out a bit
>>
>>
>>
>>> Now realise how limited the plane is though (more or less full power all 
>>> the time and it doesnt exactly glide well).
>>> Several locals all seem to have the same indestructable soarer called a 
>>> "Wild Thing"
>>
>>   yup, they're pretty much indestructable.  You might want to consider one 
>> of the leccy-powered wings such as the Zagi already mentioned for a second 
>> model.  They do look a bit odd in the air until you get used to them, but 
>> are fairly easy to fly and will withstand a lot of knocks.  I have a 
>> Combat Wings MiniXE which has had many, many hours of rough and tumble - 
>> goes well on the supplied motor, but put a brushless such as a 400DF 
>> (justgofly.com) and scare yourself silly...  :+)
>>
>> cheers,
>> Dave 
> 
> 
I know a few in my club use a electric Zagi as a soarer with the added 
bonus of a motor if needed, I have bounced mine in quite a few times 
messing about trying new things and its not broken yet

deepblue wrote:
> Dave/funfly3
> 
> Have seen the zagi, and youre right it does a similar job to the wild thing 
> but with the added motor.
> I must admit to being a bit torn between the two but i really want a soarer 
> not an electric.
> Then again at £40 a pop for either (plus the engine i think) i could always 
> be greedy and have both.........
> 
> 

  heh, go for it...  slope soarers are great for building up the flying 
time if you have a handy place and the winds are kind.  With the lower 
mass (no motor/flight battery) they do tend to bounce better too!
Good luck,

Dave

"Dave Lane"  wrote in message 
news:f45r86$a8i$1@south.jnrs.ja.net...
deepblue wrote:
> Dave/funfly3
>
> Have seen the zagi, and youre right it does a similar job to the wild 
> thing but with the added motor.
> I must admit to being a bit torn between the two but i really want a 
> soarer not an electric.
> Then again at £40 a pop for either (plus the engine i think) i could 
> always be greedy and have both.........
>
>

  heh, go for it...  slope soarers are great for building up the flying
time if you have a handy place and the winds are kind.  With the lower
mass (no motor/flight battery) they do tend to bounce better too!
Good luck,

Dave

Well, bit the bullet and brought a wild thing today.
Lots of lovely foam and tape, just have to figure out how it all goes 
together now.....

Gary

"Dave Lane"  wrote in message
news:f45r86$a8i$1@south.jnrs.ja.net...
deepblue wrote:
> Dave/funfly3
>
> Have seen the zagi, and youre right it does a similar job to the wild
> thing but with the added motor.
> I must admit to being a bit torn between the two but i really want a
> soarer not an electric.
> Then again at £40 a pop for either (plus the engine i think) i could
> always be greedy and have both.........
>
>

  heh, go for it...  slope soarers are great for building up the flying
time if you have a handy place and the winds are kind.  With the lower
mass (no motor/flight battery) they do tend to bounce better too!
Good luck,

Dave

Well, bit the bullet and brought a wild thing today.
Lots of lovely foam and tape, just have to figure out how it all goes
together now.....

Gary

deepblue wrote:
> Hi.
> For years i've wanted an rc aircraft of some description and finally after 
> much discussion with my local model shop purchased a Ripmax Serenity 
> electric powered glider. It comes artf with a plastic body with engine and 
> mechanics already installed. The wings are made of a lightweight foam 
> substance attached to the body by crossed elastic bands. It also has a 3 
> channel r/c included all for the princely sum of £75.00.
> I had decided to go with a relatively low cost plane in case i found i didnt 
> enjoy flying after all.
> Took it to a local field for its first flight and with zero wind spent a few 
> minutes just doing lazy turns and really enjoying myself. Then decided to 
> try a first landing and was amazed to land it quite gently at the first 
> attempt. I then launched it again and continued doing the same thing, nice 
> lazy turns with a bit more power.
> I then noticed that both the wings were bent upwards at a really strange 
> angle and thought it best to bring it down to investigate. However the port 
> wing suddenly just folded up and the plane came straight down. Investigation 
> showed that the wing had failed right at the point the elastic bands 
> crossed. It wasnt snapped off, just flopping around uselessly.
> I intend to take it back to the shop where i purchased from and am not going 
> to pass judgement until i speak with them. However, my question is, has this 
> happened to anyone else in similar circumstances, and if so did i do 
> something wrong?
> 
> Gary 
> 
> 
what do you expect for 75 quid?

the normal approach is to get a bit of carbon fibre rod and some epoxy, 
and cut a slot in the wings and epoxy the rod in.

You are quite fortunate, in that you managed to get it flying at all.

Try getting another one tho. Its worth a blag.

"The Natural Philosopher" <a@b.c> wrote in message 
news:1180733563.61670.1@demeter.uk.clara.net...
> deepblue wrote:
>> Hi.
>> For years i've wanted an rc aircraft of some description and finally 
>> after much discussion with my local model shop purchased a Ripmax 
>> Serenity electric powered glider. It comes artf with a plastic body with 
>> engine and mechanics already installed. The wings are made of a 
>> lightweight foam substance attached to the body by crossed elastic bands. 
>> It also has a 3 channel r/c included all for the princely sum of £75.00.
>> I had decided to go with a relatively low cost plane in case i found i 
>> didnt enjoy flying after all.
>> Took it to a local field for its first flight and with zero wind spent a 
>> few minutes just doing lazy turns and really enjoying myself. Then 
>> decided to try a first landing and was amazed to land it quite gently at 
>> the first attempt. I then launched it again and continued doing the same 
>> thing, nice lazy turns with a bit more power.
>> I then noticed that both the wings were bent upwards at a really strange 
>> angle and thought it best to bring it down to investigate. However the 
>> port wing suddenly just folded up and the plane came straight down. 
>> Investigation showed that the wing had failed right at the point the 
>> elastic bands crossed. It wasnt snapped off, just flopping around 
>> uselessly.
>> I intend to take it back to the shop where i purchased from and am not 
>> going to pass judgement until i speak with them. However, my question is, 
>> has this happened to anyone else in similar circumstances, and if so did 
>> i do something wrong?
>>
>> Gary
> what do you expect for 75 quid?
>
> the normal approach is to get a bit of carbon fibre rod and some epoxy, 
> and cut a slot in the wings and epoxy the rod in.
>
> You are quite fortunate, in that you managed to get it flying at all.
>
> Try getting another one tho. Its worth a blag.

The cost has nothing to do with it, I certainly dont expect something to 
fall apart the first time i use it. I saw another glider with a more or less 
solid wing which in hindsight seems much more substantial.

deepblue wrote:
> "The Natural Philosopher" <a@b.c> wrote in message 
> news:1180733563.61670.1@demeter.uk.clara.net...
>> deepblue wrote:
>>> Hi.
>>> For years i've wanted an rc aircraft of some description and finally 
>>> after much discussion with my local model shop purchased a Ripmax 
>>> Serenity electric powered glider. It comes artf with a plastic body with 
>>> engine and mechanics already installed. The wings are made of a 
>>> lightweight foam substance attached to the body by crossed elastic bands. 
>>> It also has a 3 channel r/c included all for the princely sum of £75.00.
>>> I had decided to go with a relatively low cost plane in case i found i 
>>> didnt enjoy flying after all.
>>> Took it to a local field for its first flight and with zero wind spent a 
>>> few minutes just doing lazy turns and really enjoying myself. Then 
>>> decided to try a first landing and was amazed to land it quite gently at 
>>> the first attempt. I then launched it again and continued doing the same 
>>> thing, nice lazy turns with a bit more power.
>>> I then noticed that both the wings were bent upwards at a really strange 
>>> angle and thought it best to bring it down to investigate. However the 
>>> port wing suddenly just folded up and the plane came straight down. 
>>> Investigation showed that the wing had failed right at the point the 
>>> elastic bands crossed. It wasnt snapped off, just flopping around 
>>> uselessly.
>>> I intend to take it back to the shop where i purchased from and am not 
>>> going to pass judgement until i speak with them. However, my question is, 
>>> has this happened to anyone else in similar circumstances, and if so did 
>>> i do something wrong?
>>>
>>> Gary
>> what do you expect for 75 quid?
>>
>> the normal approach is to get a bit of carbon fibre rod and some epoxy, 
>> and cut a slot in the wings and epoxy the rod in.
>>
>> You are quite fortunate, in that you managed to get it flying at all.
>>
>> Try getting another one tho. Its worth a blag.
> 
> The cost has nothing to do with it, I certainly dont expect something to 
> fall apart the first time i use it. I saw another glider with a more or less 
> solid wing which in hindsight seems much more substantial.
> 
> 
I always feel, with my philosophical hat on, that eliminating the words 
'right' and 'expect' and 'fair' from the language along with the 
underlying concepts they espouse, would actually result in a happier and 
more efficient society.

You paid. It broke. So what? Ultimately whether you get another one is 
down to a complex assessment by the vendor of how much custom you might 
represent in future, and how much power you have to bad mouth him all 
over the Internet, and reduce his sales.

You may care to use the words 'right' 'expect' and 'fair' as part of the 
negotiations you undertake with him, but please, for your future peace 
of mind, don't go *believing* in them. Or ypu will find yourself a 
lonely and sadder man.

deepblue wrote:
> "The Natural Philosopher" <a@b.c> wrote in message 
> news:1180733563.61670.1@demeter.uk.clara.net...
>> deepblue wrote:
>>> Hi.
>>> For years i've wanted an rc aircraft of some description and finally 
>>> after much discussion with my local model shop purchased a Ripmax 
>>> Serenity electric powered glider. <snip>

>>> I intend to take it back to the shop where i purchased from and am not 
>>> going to pass judgement until i speak with them. However, my question is, 
>>> has this happened to anyone else in similar circumstances, and if so did 
>>> i do something wrong?


   Hi - don't be put off - we've all been there....part of the game, 
really.  If the model was faulty, hopefully you'll get a replacement - 
but if possible, find an experienced flier to give it the once-over - it 
might be that a bit of judicious reinforcement here & there will help.

It's a well-known event - modeller arrives at field, puts just a couple 
of wing bands on to carry the model to the flying patch - forgets to add 
the rquired number, then wonders why the model 'claps hands' in flight.
Perhaps you didn't have enough rubber bands on, or it might be an idea 
to have a couple running fore-aft, and NOT crossing over in the middle.

  Good luck,
   cheers

Dave

"Dave Lane"  wrote in message 
news:f40j8v$k08$1@south.jnrs.ja.net...
> deepblue wrote:
>> "The Natural Philosopher" <a@b.c> wrote in message 
>> news:1180733563.61670.1@demeter.uk.clara.net...
>>> deepblue wrote:
>>>> Hi.
>>>> For years i've wanted an rc aircraft of some description and finally 
>>>> after much discussion with my local model shop purchased a Ripmax 
>>>> Serenity electric powered glider. <snip>
>
>>>> I intend to take it back to the shop where i purchased from and am not 
>>>> going to pass judgement until i speak with them. However, my question 
>>>> is, has this happened to anyone else in similar circumstances, and if 
>>>> so did i do something wrong?
>
>
>   Hi - don't be put off - we've all been there....part of the game, 
> really.  If the model was faulty, hopefully you'll get a replacement - but 
> if possible, find an experienced flier to give it the once-over - it might 
> be that a bit of judicious reinforcement here & there will help.
>
> It's a well-known event - modeller arrives at field, puts just a couple of 
> wing bands on to carry the model to the flying patch - forgets to add the 
> rquired number, then wonders why the model 'claps hands' in flight.
> Perhaps you didn't have enough rubber bands on, or it might be an idea to 
> have a couple running fore-aft, and NOT crossing over in the middle.
>
>  Good luck,
>   cheers
>
> Dave

Shop was as good as gold, gave me a new set of wings no question. The 4 
bands i used were the ones supplied with the kit and i fixed them the way 
the instructions showed. 2 front to back and 2 crossed. However, I've now 
added a carbon strut across the wing and a few strips of glass tape, its 
made all the difference!
Took it out last night in a slight breeze and had a couple of great flights. 
(and landings more importantly) However, any thing stronger and it doesnt 
want to know.
Now realise how limited the plane is though (more or less full power all the 
time and it doesnt exactly glide well).
Several locals all seem to have the same indestructable soarer called a 
"Wild Thing" One guy demonstrated its toughness by actually standing on the 
wings then chucking it straight off for a 15 minute flight before 
practically bouncing it into the ground. (just for my benefit i might add) 
Picked it back up and not a mark on it. Looks like a good model for me to 
try next.
Thanks for your comments Dave, much appreciated.

Gary

deepblue wrote:
> "Dave Lane"  wrote in message 
> news:f40j8v$k08$1@south.jnrs.ja.net...
>> deepblue wrote:
>>> "The Natural Philosopher" <a@b.c> wrote in message 
>>> news:1180733563.61670.1@demeter.uk.clara.net...
>>>> deepblue wrote:
>>>>> Hi.
>>>>> For years i've wanted an rc aircraft of some description and finally 
>>>>> after much discussion with my local model shop purchased a Ripmax 
>>>>> Serenity electric powered glider. <snip>
>>>>> I intend to take it back to the shop where i purchased from and am not 
>>>>> going to pass judgement until i speak with them. However, my question 
>>>>> is, has this happened to anyone else in similar circumstances, and if 
>>>>> so did i do something wrong?
>>
>>   Hi - don't be put off - we've all been there....part of the game, 
>> really.  If the model was faulty, hopefully you'll get a replacement - but 
>> if possible, find an experienced flier to give it the once-over - it might 
>> be that a bit of judicious reinforcement here & there will help.
>>
>> It's a well-known event - modeller arrives at field, puts just a couple of 
>> wing bands on to carry the model to the flying patch - forgets to add the 
>> rquired number, then wonders why the model 'claps hands' in flight.
>> Perhaps you didn't have enough rubber bands on, or it might be an idea to 
>> have a couple running fore-aft, and NOT crossing over in the middle.
>>
>>  Good luck,
>>   cheers
>>
>> Dave
> 
> Shop was as good as gold, gave me a new set of wings no question. The 4 
> bands i used were the ones supplied with the kit and i fixed them the way 
> the instructions showed. 2 front to back and 2 crossed. However, I've now 
> added a carbon strut across the wing and a few strips of glass tape, its 
> made all the difference!
> Took it out last night in a slight breeze and had a couple of great flights. 
> (and landings more importantly) However, any thing stronger and it doesnt 
> want to know.
> Now realise how limited the plane is though (more or less full power all the 
> time and it doesnt exactly glide well).
> Several locals all seem to have the same indestructable soarer called a 
> "Wild Thing" One guy demonstrated its toughness by actually standing on the 
> wings then chucking it straight off for a 15 minute flight before 
> practically bouncing it into the ground. (just for my benefit i might add) 
> Picked it back up and not a mark on it. Looks like a good model for me to 
> try next.
> Thanks for your comments Dave, much appreciated.
> 
> Gary
> 
> 
there is also the Zagi range do a google

deepblue wrote:

> 
> Shop was as good as gold, gave me a new set of wings no question. The 4 
> bands i used were the ones supplied with the kit and i fixed them the way 
> the instructions showed. 2 front to back and 2 crossed. However, I've now 
> added a carbon strut across the wing and a few strips of glass tape, its 
> made all the difference!


   that's it...


> Took it out last night in a slight breeze and had a couple of great flights. 
> (and landings more importantly) However, any thing stronger and it doesnt 
> want to know.


  grit your teeth and pray for low winds - at least for a while yet.  As 
a beginner, the last thingthat you want is to have to deal with that - 
just try and get as many hours in as you can - I hope that you can find 
someone to help you out a bit



> Now realise how limited the plane is though (more or less full power all the 
> time and it doesnt exactly glide well).
> Several locals all seem to have the same indestructable soarer called a 
> "Wild Thing" 


   yup, they're pretty much indestructable.  You might want to consider 
one of the leccy-powered wings such as the Zagi already mentioned for a 
second model.  They do look a bit odd in the air until you get used to 
them, but are fairly easy to fly and will withstand a lot of knocks.  I 
have a Combat Wings MiniXE which has had many, many hours of rough and 
tumble - goes well on the supplied motor, but put a brushless such as a 
400DF (justgofly.com) and scare yourself silly...  :+)

cheers,
Dave

Dave/funfly3

Have seen the zagi, and youre right it does a similar job to the wild thing 
but with the added motor.
I must admit to being a bit torn between the two but i really want a soarer 
not an electric.
Then again at £40 a pop for either (plus the engine i think) i could always 
be greedy and have both.........

Gary


"Dave Lane"  wrote in message 
news:f438qe$f2j$1@south.jnrs.ja.net...
> deepblue wrote:
>
>>
>> Shop was as good as gold, gave me a new set of wings no question. The 4 
>> bands i used were the ones supplied with the kit and i fixed them the way 
>> the instructions showed. 2 front to back and 2 crossed. However, I've now 
>> added a carbon strut across the wing and a few strips of glass tape, its 
>> made all the difference!
>
>
>   that's it...
>
>
>> Took it out last night in a slight breeze and had a couple of great 
>> flights. (and landings more importantly) However, any thing stronger and 
>> it doesnt want to know.
>
>
>  grit your teeth and pray for low winds - at least for a while yet.  As a 
> beginner, the last thingthat you want is to have to deal with that - just 
> try and get as many hours in as you can - I hope that you can find someone 
> to help you out a bit
>
>
>
>> Now realise how limited the plane is though (more or less full power all 
>> the time and it doesnt exactly glide well).
>> Several locals all seem to have the same indestructable soarer called a 
>> "Wild Thing"
>
>
>   yup, they're pretty much indestructable.  You might want to consider one 
> of the leccy