Went out on a hack on Sunday (after electric fencing what felt like miles of 
field!!!) hour and a half...and I CANTERED....Four times lol

years since I've done that...in fact don't think I've cantered out on a hack 
since my race horse incident (and I was riding an ex-race horse this time 
lol)

All i can think is the rush of bravery which resulted in my riding 3yr old 
Lilly on the Sat must have gone to my head :  )

It was a lovely hot day, breeze so few flies and Tinky - although a little 
strong at times (in particular when little Teddy tried overtaking!) she was 
really good for me.

I may be having a nervous breakdown with work and home but thenk the light 
for horses!

Matzi

Matzi wrote:
> Went out on a hack on Sunday (after electric fencing what felt like miles of 
> field!!!) hour and a half...and I CANTERED....Four times lol
> 
> years since I've done that...in fact don't think I've cantered out on a hack 
> since my race horse incident (and I was riding an ex-race horse this time 
> lol)
> 
> All i can think is the rush of bravery which resulted in my riding 3yr old 
> Lilly on the Sat must have gone to my head :  )
> 
> It was a lovely hot day, breeze so few flies and Tinky - although a little 
> strong at times (in particular when little Teddy tried overtaking!) she was 
> really good for me.
> 
> I may be having a nervous breakdown with work and home but thenk the light 
> for horses!
> 
> Matzi 
> 
> 
Good on you, now you have no excuse for not doing it again.
Mine has been turned out for the winter and I still havent got on yet. 
Have done a bit of work with two unbroken ones though and my little pony 
went to her new home on sunday. She is going to be my neice's daughter's 
pony.
There is going to be a short trek through the local forest on the 10th 
and I really would like to go on that so must get organised soon.
L

"Matzi"  wrote in message 
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> Went out on a hack on Sunday (after electric fencing what felt like miles 
> of field!!!) hour and a half...and I CANTERED....Four times lol
>
> years since I've done that...in fact don't think I've cantered out on a 
> hack since my race horse incident (and I was riding an ex-race horse this 
> time lol)

Brilliant, there'll be no stopping you now:-))

> All i can think is the rush of bravery which resulted in my riding 3yr old 
> Lilly on the Sat must have gone to my head :  )

Is that the first time she's been sat on??

> It was a lovely hot day, breeze so few flies and Tinky - although a little 
> strong at times (in particular when little Teddy tried overtaking!) she 
> was really good for me.

So glad you enjoyed yourself:-)

> I may be having a nervous breakdown with work and home but thenk the light 
> for horses!

Think it's the other way round for me - work/home are fine, it's the horses 
that are doing my head in.  Just found out yesterday that my 4yr old Callie 
has DJD in her fetlocks:-((

Louise

@eclipse.net.uk...
>> Went out on a hack on Sunday (after electric fencing what felt like miles 
>> of field!!!) hour and a half...and I CANTERED....Four times lol
>>
>> years since I've done that...in fact don't think I've cantered out on a 
>> hack since my race horse incident (and I was riding an ex-race horse this 
>> time lol)
>
> Brilliant, there'll be no stopping you now:-))

Wasn't quite brave enough to canter on my own today...but i still went uot 
all by my self! lol
>
>> All i can think is the rush of bravery which resulted in my riding 3yr 
>> old Lilly on the Sat must have gone to my head :  )
>
> Is that the first time she's been sat on??
No Lilly was backed last year, then rested and started again around |march. 
I sat on her early in year and freeked as she was still atthe i'm going to 
walk backwards stage! Much better now lol though still tries it on a little. 
Once jan arrives and she's '4' she'll start going to shows and doing walk 
trot tests and some working hunter classes for 4 year olds.

Kizzy is the 3 year old who was only backed about 2 motnhs ago. She's a 
dominant madam but I'm in love lol
>
>> It was a lovely hot day, breeze so few flies and Tinky - although a 
>> little strong at times (in particular when little Teddy tried 
>> overtaking!) she was really good for me.
>
> So glad you enjoyed yourself:-)
>
>> I may be having a nervous breakdown with work and home but thenk the 
>> light for horses!
>
> Think it's the other way round for me - work/home are fine, it's the 
> horses that are doing my head in.  Just found out yesterday that my 4yr 
> old Callie has DJD in her fetlocks:-((
>
> Louise

Oh dear :  (

Lilly only just backin work after a few weeks off. physio tihnks it was an 
uneven growth spirt but she stated dropping her back end and very lame on 
lunge. doing better now though still taking it slowly.

New arrive yesterday...13hh 5 year old strawberry roan. I lunged and jumped 
(on lunge) her today - she's another dominant personality but lovely paces 
and jump. Belinda going to teach her polo lol and jumping. Almost shame I'm 
too heavy for her!

Matzi
>

"Ian - Louise"  wrote in message >
> Think it's the other way round for me - work/home are fine, it's the 
> horses that are doing my head in.  Just found out yesterday that my 4yr 
> old Callie has DJD in her fetlocks:-((
>
> Louise

oooh Louise
thats not fair at all.
any idea how come - its not a babies problem usually is it?

And she has been so well cared for, no stress.

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Seasonal Farm Food
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"Matzi"  wrote in message 
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> Wasn't quite brave enough to canter on my own today...but i still went uot 
> all by my self! lol
>>
>>> All i can think is the rush of bravery which resulted in my riding 3yr 
>>> old Lilly on the Sat must have gone to my head :  )
>>
>> Is that the first time she's been sat on??
> No Lilly was backed last year, then rested and started again around 
> |march.

blimey thats a lot of work so young.

>
> Lilly only just backin work after a few weeks off. physio tihnks it was an 
> uneven growth spirt but she stated dropping her back end and very lame on 
> lunge. doing better now though still taking it slowly.

woah - thats a recipe for going back out into a field to grow up alone.
what a shame. bless her cotton socks.
Its really great you are getting such a wide experience of horsey activity 
after the hard times you have had, but I couldn't work or ride at a dealers 
/ producers yard, I couldn't hack doing the things required to turn around 
such youngsters at a profit.
For me babies need quiet experienced handling, and they need time to grow 
up.
But then, as Louise knows, all the best care in the world can still turn 
around and bite you.

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Jill Bowis

Domestic Poultry and Waterfowl Solutions
Herbaceous; Herb and Alpine Nursery
Seasonal Farm Food
http://www.kintaline.co.uk

"Jill"  wrote in message 
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> "Matzi"  wrote in message 
> news:jb6dnRt0Cs2d1VfXnZ2dnUVZ8hOdnZ2d@eclipse.net.uk...
>> Wasn't quite brave enough to canter on my own today...but i still went 
>> uot all by my self! lol
>>>
>>>> All i can think is the rush of bravery which resulted in my riding 3yr 
>>>> old Lilly on the Sat must have gone to my head :  )
>>>
>>> Is that the first time she's been sat on??
>> No Lilly was backed last year, then rested and started again around 
>> |march.
>
> blimey thats a lot of work so young.
>
>>
>> Lilly only just backin work after a few weeks off. physio tihnks it was 
>> an uneven growth spirt but she stated dropping her back end and very lame 
>> on lunge. doing better now though still taking it slowly.
>
> woah - thats a recipe for going back out into a field to grow up alone.
> what a shame. bless her cotton socks.
> Its really great you are getting such a wide experience of horsey activity 
> after the hard times you have had, but I couldn't work or ride at a 
> dealers / producers yard, I couldn't hack doing the things required to 
> turn around such youngsters at a profit.
> For me babies need quiet experienced handling, and they need time to grow 
> up.
> But then, as Louise knows, all the best care in the world can still turn 
> around and bite you.
>
> -- 
> regards
> Jill Bowis
>
> Domestic Poultry and Waterfowl Solutions
> Herbaceous; Herb and Alpine Nursery
> Seasonal Farm Food
> http://www.kintaline.co.uk
Of belinda isn't a dealer. I don't think i could do that either.
Belinda has a 9-5 full time job but takes on 2-3 youngsters for people to 
either start them off (as in Kizzy) or bring on to sell (like Lilly ans 
April).

Looks like Kizzy is going back to owner end of month - financial issues :  (
I just hope she isn't going to be a field ornament for the winter - while B 
always takes things slowly and watches what the horse says it's ready to do 
(i.e Lilly works 3 days 9aside from time off of course when she was lame), 
Kizzy only been worked 2, now moving to 3 days to see how she copes) - Kizzy 
is just a smart horse she'll a) get bored in a field and b) she's dominant 
and without regular handling and some 'work' will no doubt end up with 
attitude problems. Thats my opinion anyway.
I just hope she comes back in the spring.

Matzi

Matzi wrote:
>
> Looks like Kizzy is going back to owner end of month - financial
> issues :  ( I just hope she isn't going to be a field ornament for
> the winter

Why?
For a just backed three year old that is the best thing for her.
Let her assimilate the work she has done, and come out next spring wiser, 
stronger, and fitter for doing what humans are going to expect of her in the 
next 20 years.

 - while B always takes things slowly and watches what the
> horse says it's ready to do (i.e Lilly works 3 days 9aside from time
> off of course when she was lame), Kizzy only been worked 2, now
> moving to 3 days to see how she copes) -

>  Kizzy is just a smart horse
> she'll a) get bored in a field

She is a HORSE -- she has no concept of being bored in a field
A horse can stay in an appopriate herd, in an appropriate space, for the 
whole of their lives without any problems of boredom.


 and b) she's dominant and without
> regular handling and some 'work' will no doubt end up with attitude
> problems.

They are the  ones who shouldn't have too much when they are too young.
They are better growing up so they can "handle" the issues and "work" being 
asked of them throughout their lives.

> Thats my opinion anyway.

Ditto. With some experience.
:)


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Jill Bowis

Domestic Poultry and Waterfowl Solutions
Herbaceous; Herb and Alpine Nursery
Seasonal Farm Food
http://www.kintaline.co.uk

" Jill"  wrote in message 
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> Matzi wrote:
>>
>> Looks like Kizzy is going back to owner end of month - financial
>> issues :  ( I just hope she isn't going to be a field ornament for
>> the winter
>
> Why?
> For a just backed three year old that is the best thing for her.
> Let her assimilate the work she has done, and come out next spring wiser, 
> stronger, and fitter for doing what humans are going to expect of her in 
> the next 20 years.

But she won't be in a herd. the owner has two horses and a lot of space. all 
three are kept in seperate fields as far as I could tell. within sight of 
each other but not together.
I guess while I'm really against working young horses like they were adults 
I'm also reallly against just leaving them totally alone in fields. (see my 
other debts post).
At the very least I think they should be handled regularly and given some 
stimulation if only from the ground.
>
> - while B always takes things slowly and watches what the
>> horse says it's ready to do (i.e Lilly works 3 days 9aside from time
>> off of course when she was lame), Kizzy only been worked 2, now
>> moving to 3 days to see how she copes) -
>
>>  Kizzy is just a smart horse
>> she'll a) get bored in a field
>
> She is a HORSE -- she has no concept of being bored in a field
> A horse can stay in an appopriate herd, in an appropriate space, for the 
> whole of their lives without any problems of boredom.
>
Of course. But turning away doesn't mean a horse will get that.
>
> and b) she's dominant and without
>> regular handling and some 'work' will no doubt end up with attitude
>> problems.
>
> They are the  ones who shouldn't have too much when they are too young.
> They are better growing up so they can "handle" the issues and "work" 
> being asked of them throughout their lives.

She's 16.2hh and still growing. Unless she's handled reg then she will walk 
all over people. I remember how she was when she arrived after 3 years as a 
field ornament. Only handling was for farrier ( I have had numerous bruises 
to prove it lol). She still has a lot of stable manners to learn.
By not turning a horse away I don't mean schooling or even riding. (though i 
think a few hacks around the countryside to gain experience and confidence 
are hardly detremental) but i do believe they should be worked - in that 
they should get handled, groomed and maybe long reined. I think ground work 
should never stop - slow down yes but not stop.
>
>> Thats my opinion anyway.
>
> Ditto. With some experience.
> :)
>
>
> -- 
> regards
> Jill Bowis
>
> Domestic Poultry and Waterfowl Solutions
> Herbaceous; Herb and Alpine Nursery
> Seasonal Farm Food
> http://www.kintaline.co.uk
>

Matzi wrote:

> At the very least I think they should be handled regularly and given
> some stimulation if only from the ground.

Basic manners is basic husbandry.
Its not about stimulation or any such, its about having a very large animal 
in a domestic environment, which requires one to instill the respect and 
behaviour to keep all safe.
Even pasture ornaments should have this.
That is completely different and not related to being ridden as a baby, 
PARTICULARLY one who is growing so much.


>>
>> - while B always takes things slowly and watches what the
>>> horse says it's ready to do (i.e Lilly works 3 days 9aside from time
>>> off of course when she was lame), Kizzy only been worked 2, now
>>> moving to 3 days to see how she copes) -
>>
>>>  Kizzy is just a smart horse
>>> she'll a) get bored in a field
>>
>> She is a HORSE -- she has no concept of being bored in a field
>> A horse can stay in an appopriate herd, in an appropriate space, for
>> the whole of their lives without any problems of boredom.
>>
> Of course. But turning away doesn't mean a horse will get that.

Why? - she needs feed, water, shelter, company and space, nothing more.
She is a horse, not a human.

>>
>> and b) she's dominant and without
>>> regular handling and some 'work' will no doubt end up with attitude
>>> problems.
>>
>> They are the  ones who shouldn't have too much when they are too
>> young. They are better growing up so they can "handle" the issues
>> and "work" being asked of them throughout their lives.
>
> She's 16.2hh and still growing.

All the more reason not to ride her all winter

> Unless she's handled reg then she
> will walk all over people.

Nothing to do with being ridden, thats basic ground manners.
Which starts the moment they are born.
That is entirely up to the owner - if they want an ill-mannered horse, they 
do no work.
If they want something that is a plesaure to own, even if its NEVER ridden, 
then they do the basics.
That costs them NO money, just time.

> By not turning a horse away I don't mean schooling or even riding.
> (though i think a few hacks around the countryside to gain experience
> and confidence are hardly detremental)

To get a horse to the physical and mental state of being able to handle 
hacks around the countryside, especially one who clearly has had so little 
previous experience is a LOT of work for a very young body.

 but i do believe they should
> be worked - in that they should get handled, groomed and maybe long
> reined. I think ground work should never stop - slow down yes but not
> stop.

I have not stated that ground work stops. But then I believe that starts at 
foaling and most of it should have been done by 3 years old.
So it should be little more than keeping it instilled at that age.
The babies I have worked with, and my own, have been doing "hacks" in hand 
by then, they did all sorts of stuff to gain experience.
Backing was done very easily, and low key, as part of growing experiences, 
but they were not then put into work.

But to be in a trainers environment, and ridden for 3  times a week is WORK.
Getting the basics established as she has, and then putting her out for the 
winter, is a good thing.


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Herbaceous; Herb and Alpine Nursery
Seasonal Farm Food
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"Jill"  wrote in message 
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> "Ian - Louise"  wrote in message >
>> Think it's the other way round for me - work/home are fine, it's the 
>> horses that are doing my head in.  Just found out yesterday that my 4yr 
>> old Callie has DJD in her fetlocks:-((
>>
>> Louise
>
> oooh Louise
> thats not fair at all.
> any idea how come - its not a babies problem usually is it?

I didn't think so but just my luck!!  Callie for some reason hasn't got the 
best conformation, she was a fab foal but as she's grown the conformation 
issues have appeared.  She hasn't got the best back legs and also her left 
foreleg/hoof turn inwards. It's possible that these conformation faults have 
caused the DJD, but I've seen lots worse who are 100% sound so I guess it's 
down to luck.  She probably a good advert as to why amateurs shouldn't breed 
horses, my mare is nice enough and I used a very good stallion but it's 
still gone wrong!!

> And she has been so well cared for, no stress.

No stress as far as I'm aware.  She was 4 in April and I started 
long-reining and lunging around that time, probably 3 or 4 times per week. 
Eventually we got to backing and think she was ridden about 10 times in walk 
and trot.  So a lot less work than many horses of her age do.

Louise