Hello Folks,
I finally did the recycling yesterday, clearing out a lot of bags and
paperwork from around the pc. Of course, after I'd made the 20-mile
trip to the recycling centre, the keyboard decided to go bust last
night, so here I was faced with stuff beginning to stack up untidily
again already.

So I went fishing on argos's website last night (at 4am!) and found  a
stack of plastic bins with holes in the front for putting things in -
perfect for separating recyclables. So I hot-hoofed it to argos today
(well, after Ascot, which was as early as anything was going to get
done today), and picked up a new keyboard and the recycling bins.

I have now installed my new keyboard, and in a fit of energy, moved
the pc slightly to let me sit straighter (it was across the corner of
2 desks). And then I assembled my recycling bins and stuffed all the
bits of paper, card, etc from behind where the pc used to be into my
new bins. Result: one very smug Irish person :). Workspace tidier than
ever, and one more job that I've been meaning to get done while I'm
off work knocked on the head. Hurrah!

News not so good at work. Went in to see HR yesterday, who made it v
clear that there was no  position available in another section for me
(away from my bullying line manager), and that there was noone to
replace me with in my role within the org (ie no hope of ever being
transferred out), and that I would need to put in writing how the
bullying has been continuing since I first complained 2 years ago and
they'll have it externally investigated.

Result: many more months on the sidelines, and a LOT of stress. Told
them I'd think about my options and get back to them. Then went home
and cried all night. THink it was because I had hoped that the long
delay in doing anything about my situation (I've been off since 1 May)
was because they were making arrangements to move me, so I had a bit
of a crash.

Oh well, back to reality. It would appear that honesty doesn't pay. So
if any of you work for a public authority which has 'procedures'
around dignity in the workplace and bullying, DON'T for Christ's sake
trust the system. Tell them you feel ill because of anything except
that a colleague is making you ill, and they'll transfer you as they
have a duty of care to you. Tell them you're ill because your boss is
singling you out for nasty treatment and manipulating all your
colleagues to isolate you, and they'll put you through torment for 3
years, at the end of which even if they uphold your complaint, your
tormentor will only get a 'don't do it again' letter and you'll have
to go back in to work with them, only now with your career in tatters
and your colleagues all hating you for dragging them into an
investigation.

Sorry - still upset :(
Carol

On 27 Sep, 18:24, Babbling  wrote:
> Hello Folks,
> I finally did the recycling yesterday, clearing out a lot of bags and
> paperwork from around the pc. Of course, after I'd made the 20-mile
> trip to the recycling centre, the keyboard decided to go bust last
> night, so here I was faced with stuff beginning to stack up untidily
> again already.
>
> So I went fishing on argos's website last night (at 4am!) and found  a
> stack of plastic bins with holes in the front for putting things in -
> perfect for separating recyclables. So I hot-hoofed it to argos today
> (well, after Ascot, which was as early as anything was going to get
> done today), and picked up a new keyboard and the recycling bins.
>
> I have now installed my new keyboard, and in a fit of energy, moved
> the pc slightly to let me sit straighter (it was across the corner of
> 2 desks). And then I assembled my recycling bins and stuffed all the
> bits of paper, card, etc from behind where the pc used to be into my
> new bins. Result: one very smug Irish person :). Workspace tidier than
> ever, and one more job that I've been meaning to get done while I'm
> off work knocked on the head. Hurrah!
>
> News not so good at work. Went in to see HR yesterday, who made it v
> clear that there was no  position available in another section for me
> (away from my bullying line manager), and that there was noone to
> replace me with in my role within the org (ie no hope of ever being
> transferred out), and that I would need to put in writing how the
> bullying has been continuing since I first complained 2 years ago and
> they'll have it externally investigated.
>
> Result: many more months on the sidelines, and a LOT of stress. Told
> them I'd think about my options and get back to them. Then went home
> and cried all night. THink it was because I had hoped that the long
> delay in doing anything about my situation (I've been off since 1 May)
> was because they were making arrangements to move me, so I had a bit
> of a crash.
>
> Oh well, back to reality. It would appear that honesty doesn't pay. So
> if any of you work for a public authority which has 'procedures'
> around dignity in the workplace and bullying, DON'T for Christ's sake
> trust the system. Tell them you feel ill because of anything except
> that a colleague is making you ill, and they'll transfer you as they
> have a duty of care to you. Tell them you're ill because your boss is
> singling you out for nasty treatment and manipulating all your
> colleagues to isolate you, and they'll put you through torment for 3
> years, at the end of which even if they uphold your complaint, your
> tormentor will only get a 'don't do it again' letter and you'll have
> to go back in to work with them, only now with your career in tatters
> and your colleagues all hating you for dragging them into an
> investigation.
>
> Sorry - still upset :(
> Carol

Carol, if you PM me I can give you some information if it helps, been
there a couple of years ago and helped a couple of friends with a
similar situation, and we won the tribunal...!

Not always true. I was being bullied...and i got a new Manager! (mind you i 
didn't complain the other manager who was leving put in a complaint for me). 
And to show that life is just (if you hang on long enough) the manager in 
question is now no longer a a manger but got demoted in a recent re-shuffle.

mind you i'm still carrying 2 peoples work load lol but then so are a lot of 
people in my job!

Hang on in there and be strong. I'm sure you'll come through the other side 
soon.

Matzi


"Babbling"  wrote in message 
news:096b5345-a6c0-4231-a633-08e86e597c61@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> Hello Folks,
> I finally did the recycling yesterday, clearing out a lot of bags and
> paperwork from around the pc. Of course, after I'd made the 20-mile
> trip to the recycling centre, the keyboard decided to go bust last
> night, so here I was faced with stuff beginning to stack up untidily
> again already.
>
> So I went fishing on argos's website last night (at 4am!) and found  a
> stack of plastic bins with holes in the front for putting things in -
> perfect for separating recyclables. So I hot-hoofed it to argos today
> (well, after Ascot, which was as early as anything was going to get
> done today), and picked up a new keyboard and the recycling bins.
>
> I have now installed my new keyboard, and in a fit of energy, moved
> the pc slightly to let me sit straighter (it was across the corner of
> 2 desks). And then I assembled my recycling bins and stuffed all the
> bits of paper, card, etc from behind where the pc used to be into my
> new bins. Result: one very smug Irish person :). Workspace tidier than
> ever, and one more job that I've been meaning to get done while I'm
> off work knocked on the head. Hurrah!
>
> News not so good at work. Went in to see HR yesterday, who made it v
> clear that there was no  position available in another section for me
> (away from my bullying line manager), and that there was noone to
> replace me with in my role within the org (ie no hope of ever being
> transferred out), and that I would need to put in writing how the
> bullying has been continuing since I first complained 2 years ago and
> they'll have it externally investigated.
>
> Result: many more months on the sidelines, and a LOT of stress. Told
> them I'd think about my options and get back to them. Then went home
> and cried all night. THink it was because I had hoped that the long
> delay in doing anything about my situation (I've been off since 1 May)
> was because they were making arrangements to move me, so I had a bit
> of a crash.
>
> Oh well, back to reality. It would appear that honesty doesn't pay. So
> if any of you work for a public authority which has 'procedures'
> around dignity in the workplace and bullying, DON'T for Christ's sake
> trust the system. Tell them you feel ill because of anything except
> that a colleague is making you ill, and they'll transfer you as they
> have a duty of care to you. Tell them you're ill because your boss is
> singling you out for nasty treatment and manipulating all your
> colleagues to isolate you, and they'll put you through torment for 3
> years, at the end of which even if they uphold your complaint, your
> tormentor will only get a 'don't do it again' letter and you'll have
> to go back in to work with them, only now with your career in tatters
> and your colleagues all hating you for dragging them into an
> investigation.
>
> Sorry - still upset :(
> Carol

Thanks Julie,
I'll take you up on that in a few days, if that's ok?. haven't the
energy to even discuss it at the moment. So have decided to forget it
for a few days and go enjoy the horses before the weather turns
C

It's good to hear that there can be a positive outcome Matzi. Thanks
for your positive words :)
Carol

On 29 Sep, 01:49, Babbling  wrote:
> Thanks Julie,
> I'll take you up on that in a few days, if that's ok?. haven't the
> energy to even discuss it at the moment. So have decided to forget it
> for a few days and go enjoy the horses before the weather turns
> C

Right move, good step forward already by doing that

Speak soon

Julie

On 28 Sep, 19:14, "Matzi"  wrote:
> Not always true. I was being bullied...and i got a new Manager! (mind you i
> didn't complain the other manager who was leving put in a complaint for me).
> And to show that life is just (if you hang on long enough) the manager in
> question is now no longer a a manger but got demoted in a recent re-shuffle.
>
> mind you i'm still carrying 2 peoples work load lol but then so are a lot of
> people in my job!
>
> Hang on in there and be strong. I'm sure you'll come through the other side
> soon.
>
> Matzi
>
> "Babbling"  wrote in message
>
> news:096b5345-a6c0-4231-a633-08e86e597c61@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > Hello Folks,
> > I finally did the recycling yesterday, clearing out a lot of bags and
> > paperwork from around the pc. Of course, after I'd made the 20-mile
> > trip to the recycling centre, the keyboard decided to go bust last
> > night, so here I was faced with stuff beginning to stack up untidily
> > again already.
>
> > So I went fishing on argos's website last night (at 4am!) and found  a
> > stack of plastic bins with holes in the front for putting things in -
> > perfect for separating recyclables. So I hot-hoofed it to argos today
> > (well, after Ascot, which was as early as anything was going to get
> > done today), and picked up a new keyboard and the recycling bins.
>
> > I have now installed my new keyboard, and in a fit of energy, moved
> > the pc slightly to let me sit straighter (it was across the corner of
> > 2 desks). And then I assembled my recycling bins and stuffed all the
> > bits of paper, card, etc from behind where the pc used to be into my
> > new bins. Result: one very smug Irish person :). Workspace tidier than
> > ever, and one more job that I've been meaning to get done while I'm
> > off work knocked on the head. Hurrah!
>
> > News not so good at work. Went in to see HR yesterday, who made it v
> > clear that there was no  position available in another section for me
> > (away from my bullying line manager), and that there was noone to
> > replace me with in my role within the org (ie no hope of ever being
> > transferred out), and that I would need to put in writing how the
> > bullying has been continuing since I first complained 2 years ago and
> > they'll have it externally investigated.
>
> > Result: many more months on the sidelines, and a LOT of stress. Told
> > them I'd think about my options and get back to them. Then went home
> > and cried all night. THink it was because I had hoped that the long
> > delay in doing anything about my situation (I've been off since 1 May)
> > was because they were making arrangements to move me, so I had a bit
> > of a crash.
>
> > Oh well, back to reality. It would appear that honesty doesn't pay. So
> > if any of you work for a public authority which has 'procedures'
> > around dignity in the workplace and bullying, DON'T for Christ's sake
> > trust the system. Tell them you feel ill because of anything except
> > that a colleague is making you ill, and they'll transfer you as they
> > have a duty of care to you. Tell them you're ill because your boss is
> > singling you out for nasty treatment and manipulating all your
> > colleagues to isolate you, and they'll put you through torment for 3
> > years, at the end of which even if they uphold your complaint, your
> > tormentor will only get a 'don't do it again' letter and you'll have
> > to go back in to work with them, only now with your career in tatters
> > and your colleagues all hating you for dragging them into an
> > investigation.
>
> > Sorry - still upset :(
> > Carol- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Its amazing how much of this actually does go on especially when you
are right in the middle of it.  I worked for a company for 4 years and
did extremely well and had potentially a fantastic career ahead of
me.  To cut a very long story short, I ended up with a manager who
took an instant dislike to me but knew me through other parts of the
business (basically I was well liked by senior management and was a
threat to her).  She tried every which way she could to get rid and
make life extremely difficult.  I was ALWAYS one step ahead and read
up and sought help for this type of bullying (Toxic Management) and
played one of my trump cards and had her on the back footing.  I had
nothing to loose (well actually I did but had some savings to keep the
house on).

I did everything by the rule book for Grievance and I totally wiped
the floor with them (for once I knew what I was doing - lol).  It took
8 months, I lost the job I loved, and many good friends, but settled
out of court which although was a very nice sum, the biggest reward
was that I knew I was right, they were wrong and hoped that they would
learn from the error of their ways

Unfortuantely that was not the case and 4 other people came out of the
woodwork and launched similar grievance against the same person, I
assisted these peeps, some fell by the wayside but one girl didn't we
prepeared all the court papers and documents and 2 days before the
hearing the female manager left due to "illnes" and they settled out
of court.

I hate this sort of thing and makes my damn blood boil as it goes on
far too much for me and companies are afraid to deal with it and HR
only look at what the best interest of the company and not its
employee, end of.  Oh I could go on but I wont bore you all

Things can work out well if done properly

Julie