And an early one judging by the expansion chamber shape.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150282786178

No carb but still a bit of a bargain IMHO.

Nick H

'ere, I just spotted something that we'll find interesting in this advert! 
He says the following

"We cannot accept PayPal as in their terms and conditions it states that to 
be eligible for seller protection you need to send the item by a trackable 
method, which obviously does not apply to collection. Therefore we will NOT 
breach PayPal's own Terms and Conditions for use and put ourselves at risk."

Most interesting for persons in our circumstances!

regards,

Kim Siddorn

Surely the protection implied relates to "loss in transit" which won't apply 
if we pick the goods up ourselves.
"Kim Siddorn"  wrote in message 
news:6hj14nFm8e3tU1@mid.individual.net...
> 'ere, I just spotted something that we'll find interesting in this advert! 
> He says the following
>
> "We cannot accept PayPal as in their terms and conditions it states that 
> to be eligible for seller protection you need to send the item by a 
> trackable method, which obviously does not apply to collection. Therefore 
> we will NOT breach PayPal's own Terms and Conditions for use and put 
> ourselves at risk."
>
> Most interesting for persons in our circumstances!
>
> regards,
>
> Kim Siddorn
>

On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 20:19:27 +0100, Charles Hamilton wrote:

>> "We cannot accept PayPal as in their terms and conditions it states 
>> that to be eligible for seller protection you need to send the item by 
>> a trackable method, which obviously does not apply to collection. 
>> Therefore we will NOT breach PayPal's own Terms and Conditions for use 
>> and put ourselves at risk."
>
> Surely the protection implied relates to "loss in transit" which won't 
> apply if we pick the goods up ourselves.

You are assuming that PayPal will pay any attention to you saying the 
buyer collected it. The first you'll know about is the chargeback after 
the buyer has complained he hasn't had the goods.

There is also debate about wether "Recorded - Signed For" fulfills the 
stipulation of a suitable online trackable service or if only Special 
Delivery or one of the courier services like UPS is acceptable.

Basically don't trust PayPal or eBay when it comes to sorting something 
out, they just shove cases into pigeon holes that might match and that's 
the end of it unless you really jump up and down. By default they don't 
look properly at the details of case, only scan for key meaning and pigeon 
hole it.

-- 
Cheers
Dave.

My point was that the recent posting about PayPal being a requirement for 
eBay might not apply if the item is advertised as "Collection only".

regards,

Kim Siddorn

"Dave Liquorice"  wrote in message 
news:nyyfbegfubjuvyypbz.k6ai8l3.pminews@srv1.howhill.net...
> On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 20:19:27 +0100, Charles Hamilton wrote:
>
>>> "We cannot accept PayPal as in their terms and conditions it states
>>> that to be eligible for seller protection you need to send the item by
>>> a trackable method, which obviously does not apply to collection.
>>> Therefore we will NOT breach PayPal's own Terms and Conditions for use
>>> and put ourselves at risk."
>>
>> Surely the protection implied relates to "loss in transit" which won't
>> apply if we pick the goods up ourselves.
>
> You are assuming that PayPal will pay any attention to you saying the
> buyer collected it. The first you'll know about is the chargeback after
> the buyer has complained he hasn't had the goods.
>
> There is also debate about wether "Recorded - Signed For" fulfills the
> stipulation of a suitable online trackable service or if only Special
> Delivery or one of the courier services like UPS is acceptable.
>
> Basically don't trust PayPal or eBay when it comes to sorting something
> out, they just shove cases into pigeon holes that might match and that's
> the end of it unless you really jump up and down. By default they don't
> look properly at the details of case, only scan for key meaning and pigeon
> hole it.
>
> -- 
> Cheers
> Dave.
>
>
>

On the subject of traceability, I sold a Singer Hand crank Sewing machine to 
an "Amish" lady in the states and sent it with a reputable forwarding 
company. It disappeared once it hit land in New York somewhere and she never 
got it. (Bought for £25 and shipped for £110!!!) Don't know how she got on 
with that, I never heard from her again!
"Kim Siddorn"  wrote in message 
news:6hmaolFmiu2nU1@mid.individual.net...
> My point was that the recent posting about PayPal being a requirement for 
> eBay might not apply if the item is advertised as "Collection only".
>
> regards,
>
> Kim Siddorn
>
> "Dave Liquorice"  wrote in message 
> news:nyyfbegfubjuvyypbz.k6ai8l3.pminews@srv1.howhill.net...
>> On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 20:19:27 +0100, Charles Hamilton wrote:
>>
>>>> "We cannot accept PayPal as in their terms and conditions it states
>>>> that to be eligible for seller protection you need to send the item by
>>>> a trackable method, which obviously does not apply to collection.
>>>> Therefore we will NOT breach PayPal's own Terms and Conditions for use
>>>> and put ourselves at risk."
>>>
>>> Surely the protection implied relates to "loss in transit" which won't
>>> apply if we pick the goods up ourselves.
>>
>> You are assuming that PayPal will pay any attention to you saying the
>> buyer collected it. The first you'll know about is the chargeback after
>> the buyer has complained he hasn't had the goods.
>>
>> There is also debate about wether "Recorded - Signed For" fulfills the
>> stipulation of a suitable online trackable service or if only Special
>> Delivery or one of the courier services like UPS is acceptable.
>>
>> Basically don't trust PayPal or eBay when it comes to sorting something
>> out, they just shove cases into pigeon holes that might match and that's
>> the end of it unless you really jump up and down. By default they don't
>> look properly at the details of case, only scan for key meaning and 
>> pigeon
>> hole it.
>>
>> -- 
>> Cheers
>> Dave.
>>
>>
>>
>
>

On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 01:45:32 +0100, Kim Siddorn wrote:

> My point was that the recent posting about PayPal being a requirement 
> for eBay might not apply if the item is advertised as "Collection only".

And my point was that even if PayPal wasn't a requirement for "Collection 
Only"(*) that wouldn't register with eBay/PayPal when the buyer complained 
about lack of goods. You'd still have to jump through hoops and bang on 
the table hard to get it sorted out.

(*) And I can't see that happening eBay and PayPal are the same company 
and *anything* they can do to up their cut of any sale goes.

-- 
Cheers
Dave.