Just back from the 1000 engine rally, fair to poor weather, engines not all that
special this year, nothing that really jumped out at you. That's not quite as
bad as it sounds, what was there was fine, but too many 'small' engines and not
enough of the larger ones that this show was famous for. Must have been a record
number of Lister D's, David McCreath's Fowlers almost looked out of place!

Probably the most interesting item was a Lister D powered Lacey-Hulbert diving
compressor, really unusual and was in running order. Stalls were up to scratch,
especially if you looked around for the occasional bargain.

Saw a lot of the regulars, Kim, Martin P, Dan Howden, David McCreath, Philip T-E
et al. Missed the beer tent gathering at 1pm as we were hunting for Onan bits
and didn't notice the time!  Anton van der Cruijsen was there, brought over some
Junkers literature for me to copy and return, plus he presented Rita with a
lovely pair of miniature Dutch clogs.

Got a brand new fuel pump for the Onan, not quite the right one but close enough
to be well worth picking up. Got some literature, Bryce injection, Ward lathe,
couple of Hatz manuals, plus a couple of new King Dick spanners for portland in
August.

Also collected the Petter AV1 generator after delivering to Stourbidge rail
depot, that's in the back of the van, have a look at it tomorrow.

Peter
--
Peter & Rita Forbes
Email: diesel@easynet.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk

The Lister D pump set was from Internal Fires collection, tried to speak to 
Paul Evans but he was always busy, spoke to Hazel instead, a better choice I 
think :-)) We also missed the beer tent gathering on the basis I had to 
drive home. Took lots of pics of Listers and I found a Lister B exhaust 
manifold plus some stainless wood screw to bolt down the recently acquired 
stairlift.  Regarding lack of large engines I think that the cost of fuel 
kicks in here, all being well I'm taking my Lister L 9 hp to Dorset, last 
time I took it used 31 litres of fuel at today's prices that isn't cheap and 
unfortunately that will be the last time it goes to Dorset for that reason 
alone.

Martin P


"Peter A Forbes"  wrote in message 
news:ujdq54tbpv66r2vt51n2fhbtkafdroclk8@4ax.com...
> Just back from the 1000 engine rally, fair to poor weather, engines not 
> all that
> special this year, nothing that really jumped out at you. That's not quite 
> as
> bad as it sounds, what was there was fine, but too many 'small' engines 
> and not
> enough of the larger ones that this show was famous for. Must have been a 
> record
> number of Lister D's, David McCreath's Fowlers almost looked out of place!
>
> Probably the most interesting item was a Lister D powered Lacey-Hulbert 
> diving
> compressor, really unusual and was in running order. Stalls were up to 
> scratch,
> especially if you looked around for the occasional bargain.
>
> Saw a lot of the regulars, Kim, Martin P, Dan Howden, David McCreath, 
> Philip T-E
> et al. Missed the beer tent gathering at 1pm as we were hunting for Onan 
> bits
> and didn't notice the time!  Anton van der Cruijsen was there, brought 
> over some
> Junkers literature for me to copy and return, plus he presented Rita with 
> a
> lovely pair of miniature Dutch clogs.
>
> Got a brand new fuel pump for the Onan, not quite the right one but close 
> enough
> to be well worth picking up. Got some literature, Bryce injection, Ward 
> lathe,
> couple of Hatz manuals, plus a couple of new King Dick spanners for 
> portland in
> August.
>
> Also collected the Petter AV1 generator after delivering to Stourbidge 
> rail
> depot, that's in the back of the van, have a look at it tomorrow.
>
> Peter
> --
> Peter & Rita Forbes
> Email: diesel@easynet.co.uk
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
> http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk
> http://www.oldengine.co.uk

Don't know whether you noticed, gentlemen, but I carted the CLM all the way 
from Cumbria to the club stall and all the way back again, and not an offer 
made!! Disappointing to say the least, considering it appears to be the only 
one in the country, judging by the responses to assistance that I have 
posted in various locations!! Did see one guy poking a camera at it but 
didn't recognise him from the stern view. Anyone like to own up??
"campingstoveman"  wrote in message 
news:7--dne_jl4JMy8DVnZ2dnUVZ8vidnZ2d@bt.com...
> The Lister D pump set was from Internal Fires collection, tried to speak 
> to Paul Evans but he was always busy, spoke to Hazel instead, a better 
> choice I think :-)) We also missed the beer tent gathering on the basis I 
> had to drive home. Took lots of pics of Listers and I found a Lister B 
> exhaust manifold plus some stainless wood screw to bolt down the recently 
> acquired stairlift.  Regarding lack of large engines I think that the cost 
> of fuel kicks in here, all being well I'm taking my Lister L 9 hp to 
> Dorset, last time I took it used 31 litres of fuel at today's prices that 
> isn't cheap and unfortunately that will be the last time it goes to Dorset 
> for that reason alone.
>
> Martin P
>
>
> "Peter A Forbes"  wrote in message 
> news:ujdq54tbpv66r2vt51n2fhbtkafdroclk8@4ax.com...
>> Just back from the 1000 engine rally, fair to poor weather, engines not 
>> all that
>> special this year, nothing that really jumped out at you. That's not 
>> quite as
>> bad as it sounds, what was there was fine, but too many 'small' engines 
>> and not
>> enough of the larger ones that this show was famous for. Must have been a 
>> record
>> number of Lister D's, David McCreath's Fowlers almost looked out of 
>> place!
>>
>> Probably the most interesting item was a Lister D powered Lacey-Hulbert 
>> diving
>> compressor, really unusual and was in running order. Stalls were up to 
>> scratch,
>> especially if you looked around for the occasional bargain.
>>
>> Saw a lot of the regulars, Kim, Martin P, Dan Howden, David McCreath, 
>> Philip T-E
>> et al. Missed the beer tent gathering at 1pm as we were hunting for Onan 
>> bits
>> and didn't notice the time!  Anton van der Cruijsen was there, brought 
>> over some
>> Junkers literature for me to copy and return, plus he presented Rita with 
>> a
>> lovely pair of miniature Dutch clogs.
>>
>> Got a brand new fuel pump for the Onan, not quite the right one but close 
>> enough
>> to be well worth picking up. Got some literature, Bryce injection, Ward 
>> lathe,
>> couple of Hatz manuals, plus a couple of new King Dick spanners for 
>> portland in
>> August.
>>
>> Also collected the Petter AV1 generator after delivering to Stourbidge 
>> rail
>> depot, that's in the back of the van, have a look at it tomorrow.
>>
>> Peter
>> --
>> Peter & Rita Forbes
>> Email: diesel@easynet.co.uk
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
>> http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk
>> http://www.oldengine.co.uk
>
>

On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 11:22:26 +0100, "Charles Hamilton"
 wrote:

>Don't know whether you noticed, gentlemen, but I carted the CLM all the way 
>from Cumbria to the club stall and all the way back again, and not an offer 
>made!! Disappointing to say the least, considering it appears to be the only 
>one in the country, judging by the responses to assistance that I have 
>posted in various locations!! Did see one guy poking a camera at it but 
>didn't recognise him from the stern view. Anyone like to own up??

Didn't see you there, Charles, and we were there up until 3.45pm before we
headed back home, got back at about 18.30.

With the Junkers sitting outside, the Petter AV1 just arrived and now the other
Onan W3S on the horizon, it would not be right for me to get yet another engine,
perhaps one of the guys here on the newsgroup would be interested?

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Prepair Ltd, Rushden, UK
peterforbes@prepair.co.uk
http://www.prepair.co.uk
http://www.prepair.eu

Peter A Forbes wrote (snip):


> Just back from the 1000 engine rally, fair to poor weather, engines not all that
> special this year, nothing that really jumped out at you. That's not quite as
> bad as it sounds, what was there was fine, but too many 'small' engines and not
> enough of the larger ones that this show was famous for.

Funny, I don't really associate the 1000 engine with large engines 
particularly but with the unusual. Last time I went (last year) for 
instance there were a at least two Hardy and Padmores including a 'style 
1' with its peculiar working cycle (Loyal?), horizontal and vertical 
Grimoldby Demons, a Glasgow sleeve valve and a couple of interesting 
home-made jobs to name but a few.

Nick H

Ignorance is bliss sometimes but what is a CLM

Martin P
"Peter A Forbes"  wrote in message 
news:ptvu54pej8db04ksgpg5lbjc0qe9p5j1q5@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 11:22:26 +0100, "Charles Hamilton"
>  wrote:
>
>>Don't know whether you noticed, gentlemen, but I carted the CLM all the 
>>way
>>from Cumbria to the club stall and all the way back again, and not an 
>>offer
>>made!! Disappointing to say the least, considering it appears to be the 
>>only
>>one in the country, judging by the responses to assistance that I have
>>posted in various locations!! Did see one guy poking a camera at it but
>>didn't recognise him from the stern view. Anyone like to own up??
>
> Didn't see you there, Charles, and we were there up until 3.45pm before we
> headed back home, got back at about 18.30.
>
> With the Junkers sitting outside, the Petter AV1 just arrived and now the 
> other
> Onan W3S on the horizon, it would not be right for me to get yet another 
> engine,
> perhaps one of the guys here on the newsgroup would be interested?
>
> Peter
> --
> Peter A Forbes
> Prepair Ltd, Rushden, UK
> peterforbes@prepair.co.uk
> http://www.prepair.co.uk
> http://www.prepair.eu

On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:41:58 +0100, "campingstoveman"
 wrote:

>Ignorance is bliss sometimes but what is a CLM
>
>Martin P

Compagnie Lilloise de Moteurs

Junkers licencees

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Prepair Ltd, Rushden, UK
peterforbes@prepair.co.uk
http://www.prepair.co.uk
http://www.prepair.eu

Peter A Forbes wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:41:58 +0100, "campingstoveman"
>  wrote:
> 
>> Ignorance is bliss sometimes but what is a CLM
>>
>> Martin P
> 
> Compagnie Lilloise de Moteurs
> 
> Junkers licencees
> 
> Peter

Like the man said, so it's an opposed piston diesel job of great 
technical interest. ISTR Charles' example is a bit 'got at' - probably 
the result of a previous life as college test engine - but a very nice 
thing none the less. Unfortunately I have neither the time nor the space 
to do it justice.

Nick H

On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:55:58 +0100, Nick H  wrote:

>Peter A Forbes wrote:
>> On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:41:58 +0100, "campingstoveman"
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Ignorance is bliss sometimes but what is a CLM
>>>
>>> Martin P
>> 
>> Compagnie Lilloise de Moteurs
>> 
>> Junkers licencees
>> 
>> Peter
>
>Like the man said, so it's an opposed piston diesel job of great 
>technical interest. ISTR Charles' example is a bit 'got at' - probably 
>the result of a previous life as college test engine - but a very nice 
>thing none the less. Unfortunately I have neither the time nor the space 
>to do it justice.
>
>Nick H

How about Peugeot- Junkers ??

With the Junkers engine came a large photocopied CLM book, together with other
miscellania, including some old stuff on Peugeot-Junkers, Peugeot presumably
having taken out a licence pre-WWII??

Peter
--
Peter & Rita Forbes
Email: diesel@easynet.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk

On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:55:58 +0100, Nick H  wrote:

>Like the man said, so it's an opposed piston diesel job of great 
>technical interest. ISTR Charles' example is a bit 'got at' - probably 
>the result of a previous life as college test engine - but a very nice 
>thing none the less. Unfortunately I have neither the time nor the space 
>to do it justice.
>
>Nick H

I would have been interested in Charles' engine, but too many new projects
arriving at once has put that out of court.

The one thing to remember is that although they look complex, the basic entities
are mechanically fairly simple.

Peter
--
Peter & Rita Forbes
Email: diesel@easynet.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk

Junkers Patent was licenced in this country too. It was granted to Peter 
Brotherhood, don't know in what configuration the engines appeared. The 
Brotherhood engine at the Anson isn't in that format.
"campingstoveman"  wrote in message 
news:IIGdnbHzidfVWcLVRVnyvwA@bt.com...
> Ignorance is bliss sometimes but what is a CLM
>
> Martin P
> "Peter A Forbes"  wrote in message 
> news:ptvu54pej8db04ksgpg5lbjc0qe9p5j1q5@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 11:22:26 +0100, "Charles Hamilton"
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>Don't know whether you noticed, gentlemen, but I carted the CLM all the 
>>>way
>>>from Cumbria to the club stall and all the way back again, and not an 
>>>offer
>>>made!! Disappointing to say the least, considering it appears to be the 
>>>only
>>>one in the country, judging by the responses to assistance that I have
>>>posted in various locations!! Did see one guy poking a camera at it but
>>>didn't recognise him from the stern view. Anyone like to own up??
>>
>> Didn't see you there, Charles, and we were there up until 3.45pm before 
>> we
>> headed back home, got back at about 18.30.
>>
>> With the Junkers sitting outside, the Petter AV1 just arrived and now the 
>> other
>> Onan W3S on the horizon, it would not be right for me to get yet another 
>> engine,
>> perhaps one of the guys here on the newsgroup would be interested?
>>
>> Peter
>> --
>> Peter A Forbes
>> Prepair Ltd, Rushden, UK
>> peterforbes@prepair.co.uk
>> http://www.prepair.co.uk
>> http://www.prepair.eu
>
>

I've been very busy recently and have not picked up a spanner nor been near 
an engine in weeks. So I was determined to have a day off and visit the 
Astle Park 1000 Engine Rally. It is just over 150 miles for me in Bristol  & 
as in previous years I drove up on Friday evening, arriving at about 1030pm. 
I set up some stuff to "book my spot" and spent a cheerful Saturday 
exhibiting my Stuart Turner flat twin. Kevin and Carol Phillips & Keith from 
WSEC were also there with their Victorias running all day. A number of 
internet friends found me out  and it was good to renew old acquaintance. 
Heavy rain was forecast, but I took a gazebo as you are now allowed to do  & 
anyway it was not as bad as it was forecast.



As usual at Astle Park, there were some very unusual engines, all the engine 
pens being full. I was especially impressed to see a small early inverted 
engine that seemed to be a Troublesome Beast, going as often as it was 
stationary!



Some were slow to get their covers off, but by early afternoon when it had 
been dry for an hour or so, I think every engine was running - or at least 
on display. I didn't count them, but I bet there were four hundred engines 
present. Both Internal Fire and The Anson were represented with some 
impressively large engines, there were a number of models on display and the 
well organised Club Shop had a good selection of engines and related 
machinery on sale.  In broader interests, there were a good number of Trader's 
Row stalls, fifty or so motorcycles and a similar number of tractors - "the 
biggest display in the UK"  the man on the PA said.



 At 5.30 I wrapped everything up and decamped to the Anson Museum along with 
about two hundred other enthusiasts and Geoff Challinor and a surprising 
number of enthusiastic volunteers ran around starting engines. As usual, 
there have been a number of improvements and additions, buildings extended & 
improved, the car park was better surfaced and larger & the "to be looked 
 at" section bigger than ever. As I said to Geoff, it isn't that they've 
done something in the year since I was last there, they have done so much it 
is hard to keep up! Previous visitors will probably recall the big
twin cylinder steam engine at the end of the side building. This is now 
being extended & the steelwork is already in place and they have every hope 
of getting the various steam engines stored in that building up and running 
before the end of this year - another milestone passed.



In particular this year, I noticed the growing number of very early engines 
and these alone would make the trip worthwhile for anyone with a certain 
amount of oil in their blood!

And so home, arriving at around 1.00am

-- 

regards,

Kim Siddorn


"Nick H"  wrote in message 
news:6c9jc3F3end7fU1@mid.individual.net...
> Peter A Forbes wrote (snip):
>
>
>> Just back from the 1000 engine rally, fair to poor weather, engines not 
>> all that
>> special this year, nothing that really jumped out at you. That's not 
>> quite as
>> bad as it sounds, what was there was fine, but too many 'small' engines 
>> and not
>> enough of the larger ones that this show was famous for.
>
> Funny, I don't really associate the 1000 engine with large engines 
> particularly but with the unusual. Last time I went (last year) for 
> instance there were a at least two Hardy and Padmores including a 'style 
> 1' with its peculiar working cycle (Loyal?), horizontal and vertical 
> Grimoldby Demons, a Glasgow sleeve valve and a couple of interesting 
> home-made jobs to name but a few.
>
> Nick H
>

On 21 Jun, 18:21, Peter A Forbes  wrote:
>
> Probably the most interesting item was a Lister D powered Lacey-Hulbert diving
> compressor, really unusual and was in running order.

I passed it a couple of times on Sunday but the owner wasn't about. I
saw the welded drop plate for the engine mounting and wondered if
something else had been the original fitment.

http://www.norfolkancestors.org/boulton/boultonengines.php?pageNum_rs_boultengines=11&totalRows_rs_boultengines=17

Regards,
  Dave Carter.

On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 06:51:55 -0700 (PDT), "D.J.Carter" 
wrote:

>On 21 Jun, 18:21, Peter A Forbes  wrote:
>>
>> Probably the most interesting item was a Lister D powered Lacey-Hulbert diving
>> compressor, really unusual and was in running order.
>
>I passed it a couple of times on Sunday but the owner wasn't about. I
>saw the welded drop plate for the engine mounting and wondered if
>something else had been the original fitment.
>
>http://www.norfolkancestors.org/boulton/boultonengines.php?pageNum_rs_boultengines=11&totalRows_rs_boultengines=17
>
>Regards,
>  Dave Carter.

Martin P advised that it was one of the Internal Fire machines.

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Prepair Ltd, Rushden, UK
peterforbes@prepair.co.uk
http://www.prepair.co.uk
http://www.prepair.eu

It is from IF, I and Dan have played with it many times.

Martin P

"Peter A Forbes"  wrote in message 
news:c50264h2a4rg51e9cpnqbgo4itipr306pt@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 06:51:55 -0700 (PDT), "D.J.Carter" 
> 
> wrote:
>
>>On 21 Jun, 18:21, Peter A Forbes  wrote:
>>>
>>> Probably the most interesting item was a Lister D powered Lacey-Hulbert 
>>> diving
>>> compressor, really unusual and was in running order.
>>
>>I passed it a couple of times on Sunday but the owner wasn't about. I
>>saw the welded drop plate for the engine mounting and wondered if
>>something else had been the original fitment.
>>
>>http://www.norfolkancestors.org/boulton/boultonengines.php?pageNum_rs_boultengines=11&totalRows_rs_boultengines=17
>>
>>Regards,
>>  Dave Carter.
>
> Martin P advised that it was one of the Internal Fire machines.
>
> Peter
> --
> Peter A Forbes
> Prepair Ltd, Rushden, UK
> peterforbes@prepair.co.uk
> http://www.prepair.co.uk
> http://www.prepair.eu

On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 15:33:50 +0100, "campingstoveman"
 wrote:

>It is from IF, I and Dan have played with it many times.
>
>Martin P

Roland emailed the following:

"It is indeed and apart from the wheels is believed to be original (ex 
Portsmouth dockyard). The same set features in a Gardner cat using a 1ACR 
engine. L-H used a lot of Lister Ds"

My cousin, John Price, worked for Lacey Hulbert for many years and drove their
delivery van round the country.

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Prepair Ltd, Rushden, UK
peterforbes@prepair.co.uk
http://www.prepair.co.uk
http://www.prepair.eu

On Jun 24, 2:51�pm, "D.J.Carter"  wrote:
> On 21 Jun, 18:21, Peter A Forbes  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Probably the most interesting item was a Lister D powered Lacey-Hulbert diving
> > compressor, really unusual and was in running order.
>
> I passed it a couple of times on Sunday but the owner wasn't about. I
> saw the welded drop plate for the engine mounting and wondered if
> something else had been the original fitment.
>
> http://www.norfolkancestors.org/boulton/boultonengines.php?pageNum_rs...
>
> Regards,
> � Dave Carter.

Me Steve and Bob lester were looking after the IF exhibits for the
weekend. The diving compressor attracted lots of interest from the
moment we pulled up on the rally field friday morning.
It's a very low maintainence exhibit just needing the levels checked
and fueling up in the morning, afterwards you can just leave her run,
just needed to check all was well now and again.
Sorry i missed you Dave i was probably in the pen somewhere but was
also tending to the 6HP Amanco and my Lister MH that was on the other
side of the engine pen.
It was a very enjoyable weekend indeed even the weather couldn't ruin
it for us

Regards Gary Millward